00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) destroyed the invisible Graznop's ghost, the former Adept, on T:25963 00:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:27691 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 2041 points, T:1807, killed by a sasquatch 00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) murdered Vita Fidelia, her faithful lesser nightmare, on T:741 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 928 points, T:1063, killed by a dwarf lady, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:41 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 141 points, T:289, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a potion 01:08 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:09 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 01:45 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 2140 points, T:2915, zombified by a gnome zombie 02:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:41 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 1438 points, T:2843, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted elven lady 02:41 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: gnight] 02:42 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:48 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una), 1343 points, T:2531, quit 03:09 -!- Not-bbbc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:09 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:17 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3371 points, T:4774, killed by a chameleon imitating a purple worm 03:18 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 03:28 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una), 748 points, T:1329, killed by a gnome lady 03:36 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:55 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a platinum amulet of magic resistance, on T:37797 04:08 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 338 points, T:928, killed by a sewer rat 04:14 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:24 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 651 points, T:1214, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water moccasin 04:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "y", on T:4002 04:50 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:55 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 999 points, T:2228, zombified by an elf zombie 05:00 @e?giant ant 05:00 giant ant (a) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d4 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, oviparous, passes-bars 05:01 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 05:06 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 05:10 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:10 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 07:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 07:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1133 points, T:2369, killed by a gnoll 07:41 K2: I found a vault on level 2... Guard turned up and led me to a 1x1 room with no doors or coridors. 07:42 haha, what a jokester 07:42 stuck you in a closet! 07:42 I've searched for a hundred turns. There's nothing. 07:42 300 turns... 07:43 600 turns... 07:43 Well, read a random scroll. Turned out to be teleport. 07:44 Got teleported into a bunch of jackals where I fainted. 07:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 60 points, T:1258, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 07:44 rip 07:44 Weird game. 07:45 Somehow, I feel that identifying myself as "sexy", and then walking into the guard at every step may have been a bad idea. 08:01 hah 08:01 K2: Message from qt at 2021-10-19 21:45 EDT: i added something to the PR to apply this to corpses/statues in bones, too :) 08:01 doh 08:02 guard says 'here, this closet will do nicely' 08:02 that's awesome 08:02 what are the odds 08:03 he dumped you in a closet with no door? 08:03 aosdict: yep 08:04 was there a scroll there? 08:04 amateurhour: nope 08:09 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:31935 08:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 50 points, T:69, killed by a system shock 08:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 145 points, T:416, killed by a grid bug, while sleeping 08:43 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:50 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:51 amateurhour: arahael lied to you there was a scroll https://0x0.st/-dKP.png 09:00 k2 you should definitely make it impossible to displace a vault guard 09:01 arahael was doing it so i was messing around with it and it can really get you stuck in the rock 09:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 876 points, T:2568, killed by a system shock 09:03 ok 09:03 i think 3.7 vanilla recently added that? 09:03 or am i thinking long worms 09:03 it is impossible to displace the guard in vanilla 09:04 idk how recent the change is 09:04 i'll look it up 09:04 02f222bc0ca3a897200b0a6d1ae6139de2402964 09:04 qt keeps all nethack related github repo's stored in his brain 09:05 i just used git blame 09:05 damn that commit is right after 3.6.6 became post-release 09:05 my brain is very smalle actually 09:07 -!- Not-4bf1 has joined #evilhack 09:07 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±12] https://git.io/J6ydV 09:07 [EvilHack] entrez 8817d4e - Include race in statues of previous players 09:07 [EvilHack] entrez 21a1453 - Use racial corpses/statues for bones 09:07 [EvilHack] k21971 2a7b435 - Merge pull request #76 from entrez/tt-racial-statues 09:07 ^ awesome 09:11 now when you cast turn undead at the bones pile it will actually be a player monster that is revived 09:12 nice 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Cha), 888 points, T:1483, killed by a mountain dwarf 09:18 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/J6ybo 09:18 [EvilHack] k21971 e4d89bc - Fix: don't allow vault guards to be displaced. 09:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1277 points, T:2698, killed by an orcish arrow, while praying 09:25 oh k2 actually i need to fix something in the bones thing :( 09:26 the shadow warning? 09:26 the shadow warning? 09:26 what is that 09:26 oh the mtmp thing 09:26 bones.c: In function ‘savebones’: 09:26 bones.c:558:27: warning: declaration of ‘mtmp’ shadows a previous local [-Wshadow] 09:26 558 | struct monst *mtmp = makemon(&mons[u.umonnum], 0, 0, 09:26 | ^~~~ 09:26 bones.c:471:19: note: shadowed declaration is here 09:26 471 | struct monst *mtmp, *msteed; 09:26 | ^~~~ 09:26 yeah that but also something else 09:27 ok 09:27 and just change mtmp to something else 09:27 mon prob 09:27 or mtmp2 09:27 i also have to fix an error in my last commit 09:27 left a g. in there 09:28 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/J6yNS 09:28 [EvilHack] k21971 2fc879c - Fix: remove g. from last commit. 09:29 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 09:29 i want the corpse to have the dead player's name, not a random mplayer name 09:29 hah neat 09:29 like this https://0x0.st/-dKM.mp4 09:30 heh 09:30 i was killed by a gecko 09:30 sad 09:30 Some deaths should let you scrawl a dying declaration in the dirt with your finger 09:31 in blood 09:31 xnethack and splicehack(?) allow you to write your own epitaph 09:32 in sporkhack, your skull is left behind. players that find your bones can carry around your skull as a trophy 09:32 an engraving in blood would be cool but it would preclude the creation of a grave 09:32 maybe if you're okay with there not being a grave though, interesting YANI 09:32 There should never be a grave, who is burying you? 09:32 it could be next to the grave 09:32 what if I died on a one-square island 09:32 or if you die next to a wall, its on the wall 09:33 or door 09:33 K2: https://termbin.com/fmup 09:33 ok now just implement engravings on walls and doors :) 09:33 He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle of aaarrrrggh. 09:33 hahahahah 09:33 ^ xnethack random engraving 09:35 you'd think if you turn undead the guy in the bones pile he would be grateful and join you as a pet 09:36 but i guess the lust for the amulet is just too strong 09:36 Turn undead on a player ghost should restore the player as an antagonistic NPC who will use all their gear against you -- you're competitors after all 09:37 krm26: did you see the video i just showed k2 09:37 https://0x0.st/-dKM.mp4 09:37 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/J6SvO 09:37 [EvilHack] k21971 4b219e4 - Fix: silence shadow warning, bones corpse has name of dead player. 09:37 Hah, no, I didn't 09:38 Way to die to a gecko 09:38 ikr? 09:38 i suck 09:38 brb 09:39 ghosts on ' '... 09:39 something something interhack 09:40 i dont have my evilhackrc on here since i just use it for wiztesting 09:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 695 points, T:1391, killed by a dwarf zombie 09:45 ANOTHER game without Ludios godfgjfgkjfgkj 09:46 evilhack didn't add the "first eligible vault generated below level 10" deal? 09:48 Alas 09:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:2604 09:49 Been a long time since I played a wizard -- still true that spellcasting skills are mostly useless, right? 09:49 first sacrifice 09:49 * NetSysFire looks at K2 with puppy eyes 09:49 #invoke to secespita for cursing? 09:50 I love the idea of being able to, on death, write a message to whomever finds your bones or reads your dumplog 09:50 Spellcasting skills are super useful in lots of cases 09:50 i do think the idea of scrawling in your own blood makes more sense than dictating your own gravestone 09:51 Divination and attack are worth getting to skilled 09:51 but as it is rn the gravestone epitaphs are a cool solution 09:51 I never invoked Seccy, does it do something? 09:51 Right, there are one or two that are worth taking to skilled, but most are totally without merit still? Like matter, for example? 09:52 well doesn't it help you cast high level spells in that school 09:52 i thought it reduced the failure chance 09:52 Yeah, depends how badly you watn to cast polymorph with low % 09:53 There always seem to be enough wands of poly/canc 09:54 Attack is worth taking to expert to cast acid blast and FoD 09:55 skilled remove curse is worth having too 09:56 what does that do? 09:56 acts like blessed remove curse? 09:57 matter should have a magical breathing spell that gives you temporary unbreathing -- letting you cast inside gelatinous cubes, etc 09:57 krm26: i was thinking about that 10:00 Some spell schools could use a little more love 10:00 i was trying to come up with ideas for useful spells https://termbin.com/lfg6 10:00 idk if any of those would actually work, just some thoughts 10:00 passwall is in slashem and it's really high levelled and epic 10:01 we chatted about silence for dnh for ages, as a sort of aoe silent effect (like stinking cloud) 10:01 but it never happened 10:01 New magical gray stone: curse-eater. Loses one BUC level instead of each time you would get an item cursed, destroyed after C 10:01 that's a cool idea krm26 10:02 Or maybe goes B -> U -> C -> loadstone :-) 10:03 Would monsters get a silence spell too? 10:03 I've always thought monsters should have darkness and silence spells 10:04 But to really introduce silence mechanics some spells would need to be somatic-only 10:04 It would take some thought 10:05 yeah i feel like monsters should get it if the player gets it 10:06 but yeah it seems like there should be a distinction between spells that need verbal components and ones that don't 10:06 i mean it could just be introduced for the player but that doesn't seem very Evil 10:06 Would need to be some escape spells that were just somatic for sure 10:07 what does somatic mean in this context? that you use your body without saying anything? 10:07 somatic = fingers/hands 10:07 Some spells should be somatic, some need verbalising, and some both 10:08 soma = physical, asoma = nonphysical 10:08 i prefer psychosomatic spells 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:47944 10:10 Could also give extra utility to the staffs, e.g. staff of war lets you cast spells without verbalising 10:10 That is a *great* use 10:13 why don't spells wake up all monsters nearby 10:13 they all have a verbal component right now 10:13 Nothing says you can't whisper 10:13 if your guy is screaming MAGIC MISSSILLLLEEE!!! when he shoots magic missile it should wake up monsters 10:13 "pew" (soto voce) 10:14 lol 10:15 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:16 hahah 10:16 leeeeeroy jenkins! 10:16 pew pew 10:18 this will be in the anime adaptation of nethack 10:19 Oh? You're approaching me? - the wizard of yendor 10:24 those are some neat spell ideas qt 10:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 9192 points, T:8519, killed by a white unicorn 10:25 just yolo them as a PR and we can beta test them in evilhack :) 10:25 In one of the first dungeon crawlers of old you had to type spell names out to cast them, the faster you typed, the faster you could cast (and some spells had time limits you had to beat) 10:25 feaminamor! alito! 10:25 wizardry? 10:26 Pre-wizardry, oubliette 10:26 wizardry heavily "borrowed" from oubliette, avatar, dnd, and melee (WAN dungeoncrawlers on PLATO) 10:27 i only play m199h 10:28 You used PLATO? 10:28 Small world 10:28 m199h wasn't multiplayer 10:28 no i didn't but I'm aware of those games in a general sense 10:29 and I used to live in urbana IL so i've seen some of the plato stuff (behind glass) 10:29 Hah! I'm from Urbana too 10:29 dugeons of daggorath 10:29 *dungeons 10:29 I worked at CERL in the late 80s 10:29 wait you're both from the same town? 10:30 Urbana, Illinois, home of ENIAC 10:30 PLATO 10:30 krm26 as darth vader: 'qt... I am your father' 10:30 the plasma pannel 10:30 the web browser 10:30 qt: 'NOOOOOOOOO' 10:32 i went to uni high so there was some plato stuff to ogle across the street in some computer science building 10:32 I'm a Uni grad too, clase of '86 10:32 wow, that's so funny 10:32 Back then we had a CS class taught on PLATO terminals right in the school 10:33 older than me krm26 10:33 I'm so old I designed the GUI for the first version of Mosaic, such as it was 10:34 if hothraxxa were here, he could tell us how he showed jesus how to use IBM punch cards 10:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2226 points, T:3778, killed by a sewer rat 10:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una), 2872 points, T:3282, killed by a champion of Mog, while paralyzed by a monster 10:37 Punchcards beat me out. I've helped build a wire-wrap computer to replace a CDC 6000 (before DEC finally brought commercial 64 bit computers to the masses)...that's about as antiquey as I get 10:39 my first computer was a TRS-80 10:40 when i was 10 10:40 i'm class of 90' in case you're curious about the age diff 10:40 Mine too! My mother's publisher gave her one to write on...a Model III 10:41 I learned Forth on a TRS-80 Model III 10:41 my cousins had a ti-99/4a so I got to play around on those too 10:41 In maybe, '80? Ish? 10:41 yeah 80-81 10:41 Forth is a nice intro programming language before python exists 10:42 my dad tried to get me into programming. wasnt really interested 10:42 What was the word processing package on that thing? Scripsit, I think? Was pretty decent 10:42 i did some stuff in BASIC but that's it 10:44 oh gosh i dont remember 10:44 i do remember using *something* to write book reports with 10:45 it was red and yellow colored 10:46 i'm high school class of 2034 10:47 hah 10:50 how urban is urban, IL 10:50 *urbana 10:50 Not very 10:50 Champaign is its larger sister-city, but UIUC was about as big as Urbana when I was there 10:51 Of course there is like an Urbana in almost as many states as have a Springfield, so the answer will differ 10:51 K2 knows enough about programming to repost the same tired old BASIC two-liner every week or so :) 10:51 you all know the one 10:51 no, show us 10:51 qt: Did you go to Leal? 10:51 I can't, I never learned BASIC 10:52 10 PRINT "BOBBLE HATS FOR DOGGOS" 10:52 GOTO 10 10:52 ffs missed a bit 10:52 RUN 10:52 20 GOTO 10 10:53 lol 10:54 krm26: no I knew some people who went there though 10:55 I don't remember the names of any other local elementary schools, hah :-) 10:56 qt I like those spells you linked 11:00 krm26: I was on the state-winning uni varsity chess team though 11:01 apparently uni doesn't have a chess team any more 11:02 qt we should play 11:03 you can witness how bad I suck at chess 11:04 i haven't played chess in about 10 years so i am not good either 11:04 i was also the lowest ranking member of the team so I wasn't that great then either 11:05 qt: Grats! I wasn't able to be on the chess team my senior year (was taking a pretty full load on campus), but in 86 we won the IHSA. Good thing we had chess so we didn't have to talk about basketball :-) 11:06 Our girl's basketball kicked ass when I was there tho 11:07 mr. butler was the chess coach? 11:07 Yup 11:07 His ancient history classes were the bomb 11:08 yeah i had him for history too 11:08 he wasn't doing the chess team any more at that point though 11:08 This is so funny -- my graduating class had 40 kids in it and you happen to be from the same school 11:09 yeah it's really a wild coincidence 11:09 such a small school 11:13 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) wished for "3 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:33485 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:33485 11:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una), 585 points, T:1016, killed by a hill orc 11:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:16 krm26: https://0x0.st/-dPi.png 12:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law), 27832 points, T:15193, killed by an incubus, while praying 12:25 qt: Heh...Funny to think that when I had Mr. B he was substantially younger than I am now 12:25 His class role-playing games of trade and politics among the ancient Greek city states were epic 12:27 looking at some of the yearbooks from the 1980s, the other teachers I had (Stone, Bergandine, Murphy) don't actually look that different 12:27 but Mr. Butler is unrecognizable to me, he looks so young 12:28 lol 12:28 Don't know any of those... When I was there Royer was principle, Wheeler was chair of history; had Magistra for Latin 12:29 biology, chemistry, various music things, respectively 12:29 I'm assuming the Latin chair doesn't walk around with an iron shillelagh that she splits tables with any more 12:30 Scariest 4'2" woman I've ever met 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:34678 12:32 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 12:34 did the threat of imminent death help you learn latin 12:34 Very much so 12:34 She was almost blind, so the girls would disrupt the class and blame the 3 boys, and we'd get sent to the principal's office. Principal Royer taught us to play poker 12:35 Bridge too 12:37 :) 12:41 was her name really magistra or was it just her title? that would have to be the greatest example of nominative determinism ever 12:44 qt: you keep 1980s copies of your school yearbooks around, when you did not attend them during the 1980s? 12:45 they're all digitized 12:46 No, that was just what she asked us to call her. I don't actually remember her name (I am soooo old) 12:46 I don't remember the other Latin teacher's name either, since her was just Magister 12:46 the yearbooks from 1921 to 2010 are digitized 12:47 Her name was like H-something? 12:49 No, Shea 12:49 It was Shea 12:49 I think Mr B actually taught Latin some too, just not a class I had 12:50 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:35417 12:56 is your baby picture in the 1986 yearbook krm26 12:56 lots of baby pictures of the senior class 12:57 https://libsysdigi.library.illinois.edu/ilharvest/UniHighYearbook/Books2012-11/1893382/1893382_1986/1893382_1986.pdf 12:58 Now I'm being stalked! 12:58 there's a beautiful poem about farm-aid in there too 12:58 what do you mean 'now' ? 12:58 Oh f'in farms 12:59 an entire page dedicated to farm-aid 12:59 My senior debate topic was farm subsidies. John Couger Fuck You came out with Blood on the Scarecrow right about the time I was debating con 12:59 Damn him to Hell 13:00 I'm in the dead center of page 97 in a knit cap 13:01 I don't think I'm in there much, I only had English and PE at Uni my senior year, everything else I was doing on campus 13:02 Wow, that was a good-looking class of total geeks 13:04 there was a cheerleading squad?? 13:05 But of course 13:05 I told you, our girl's basketball team was excellent, we needed cheerleaders 13:05 i wonder when that stopped existing 13:06 wee 13:06 Our star, Sophia Neely, went on to coach at the college level 13:06 i'm a bit distressed at the lack of mullets 13:06 Uni used to have an award named after her 13:07 The poofy girl-hair is the most recognizable couture from that era of midwest high school I think 13:09 omg K2 evilhack still has the bug when you #untrap while mounted 13:10 54cfb8693699c968c9239e284ab6cc5dcb7c1a04 <- vanilla fix 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:51327 13:11 qt thanks heh 13:11 i think that was the first vanilla PR i opened 13:12 i'm diggin the middle name krm26 13:13 either that's a nickname or your parents were super cool 13:13 did you find his name from the yearbook? 13:13 i did 13:13 oh man, i'm sorry krm26 I didn't mean to doxx you 13:13 heh 13:13 seriously, that was dumb of me 13:13 Yeah I'm screwed now 13:13 well he id'ed himself in the pic 13:13 After all the work I went to scrubbing myself from usenet before the internet archive got its talons into everything 13:14 wasnt hard to find same face again 13:14 fair amount of quotes dedicated to Mrs. Wheeler heh 13:14 My middle name is actually "R" (no period) -- so I've used Rhadamanthus, Rambo, Rosencrantz, etc. as it is convenient 13:15 just R 13:16 My maternal and paternal family both had strong opinions about what the R should stand for, so they were both told what they wanted to hear and I just got "R" 13:16 hah 13:16 that's funny 13:16 but they both wanted an R name? 13:16 Brilliant 13:16 'honey, pick a middle name' 'errrrrrr...' 'ok great! R!' 13:16 Robert/Resnick 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:51350 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1769 points, T:1604, killed by a shattered potion 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide cornuthaum", on T:51385 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 329 points, T:1002, killed by a werejackal 13:23 dragonhide cornuthaum is a cool idea 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had a steel large shield entrusted to him by Mog, on T:37922 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) became Mog's Envoy of Balance, on T:38684 13:35 Note that *I* didn't feel the need to dox qt :-) 13:35 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Mon Gia Mal Law), 2060 points, T:2355, killed by a jaguar 13:37 my name is on my github, so it wouldn't be doxxing so much as 'finding ugly photos of qt' 13:38 and if you want a baby picture of me i would refer you to https://entrez.cc/ 13:51 krm26: https://0x0.st/-dPJ.png 13:52 doxxed 13:52 Disappointing to see no change at all in chess team gender makeup in 20 years 13:53 Now we just have to have K2 delete this channel's transcript for today 13:53 there was a girl on the JV chess team, Kathy Qiu 13:53 qt have you ever wore a michael myers costume for halloween 13:53 its not a costume 13:54 it's my culture, not a costume 13:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 5696 points, T:8611, killed by a bolt of cold 13:55 no, i haven't 13:56 I think I like smoky object detection even more than smoky full healing 13:57 I got smoky object detection in my last xnh game, and I forgot to drink any of the ones I had stockpiled 13:57 Smoky fruit juice is my favourite 13:57 isn't smoky full healing kinda bad anyway? could really screw you over 13:58 You just need to drink it one round early, but in return you can alchemy up a zillion 13:58 If you get a wish in the clutch wish for 2 more blessed full healings and try again :-) 14:00 smoky full healing always feels like a one way ticket to hilarious death to me 14:01 A few games ago a player monster, about to die, quaffed smoky full healing, got the wish and wished for a +2 firebrand :-) 14:02 heh 14:02 Monsters wishes are always so much fun 14:02 Free firebrand! Awesome 14:02 I want to see a monster wish for an artifact and have its owner show up and kill them 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:39730 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:39735 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:39804 14:12 qt: you want a blessed greased very history partially eaten cornuthaum 14:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:51849 14:19 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:19 Well, last thing I'd ever expect to drop Sunsword is definitely one of the Vecna graveyard wraiths 14:23 They were trying to hide it from you 14:23 It WAS cursed so maybe they were trying to destroy it too 14:23 N E R F 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased dragonhide speed boots", on T:53170 14:48 Oh I dread how I'll stupidly die with this one, three bonus wishes from smoky object detection 14:49 Haven't even cleared castle yet 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 247 points, T:1445, killed by a kobold lady 15:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:54210 15:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Kni Orc Mal Cha), 337 points, T:1143, killed by a gnoll hunter 15:52 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:56 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/J6FUT 15:56 [EvilHack] k21971 43e5e07 - Fix: untrap steed sanity. 15:56 ^ qt 15:58 !who 15:58 K2: [hdf-us] VaderFLAG [evil] :: [hdf-eu] Tomsod [evil] Graznop [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 15:59 hi K2 15:59 hi 15:59 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 15:59 oh my the splicehack SeamusMcRed death involved a full healing smoky potion wish 16:00 illustrating the point made above 16:00 no way 16:00 Sounds like I missed some fun 16:00 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SeamusMcRed/splicehack/dumplog/1634472491.splice.html 16:01 wow 16:01 "You freed me!" didn't even get a wish 16:03 oh so a T-Rex was involved 16:03 wonderful 16:04 why is it bad? does it waste your turn or something? 16:05 and the potion. 16:05 the one explicitly used for healing. 16:08 spicyCebolla: 'tyrannosaurus rekt bya chameleon imitating a T-Rex' 16:08 well yes, they did die 16:08 topten.c:97 "tyrannosaurus rekt" should be "tyrannosaurus rekt " 16:08 bya felicia 16:08 sorry 16:08 oh yeah, i fixed that 16:09 by" -> by " rather 16:09 nice 16:09 it's in my PR Of Many Things 16:09 which it looks like, you've got one of those going for xnh lol 16:10 but yeah, i'm more curious about why smoky full heal is bad 16:10 yeah i do have those "things i have noticed in my current game" prs sometimes 16:10 ... 16:10 It means you might get a djinni instead of a heal. 16:10 smoky full healing is bad because if you drink it when low on health, and get a wish or a genie, it doesn't heal you 16:11 Which can, has, and demonstrably did kill someone. 16:11 and then you die 16:11 ooooh rip 16:11 the death, i also attribute to the player trying to defeat a tyrannosaurus rex by calling their succubus over to fight it multiple times 16:11 instead of GTFOing 16:11 but that *is* a huge bummer 16:11 but i thought love wins??? 16:12 so smokies overwrite the potion effect with a wish 16:12 One would think they were banking on the potion healing them so that they could continue the fight 16:12 that seems... not terribly necessary to be that way. could be treated as a bug 16:12 also that's vanilla 16:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a garter snake corpse on an altar of Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3947 16:14 it makes sense to me 16:14 the bottle has a djinni or a ghost in it, there's no room for the actual potion 16:14 people've been playing around that for years lol 16:16 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:17 i like krm26s idea of wishing for 2 more FHs 16:18 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:41941 16:19 yeah, if smoky is full healing, at least bless them all... 16:22 when a djinni is compressed down to potion-bottle volume they condense into liquid. very well known. 17:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:01 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 17:03 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 17:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2101 points, T:2232, killed by a bolt of fire 17:15 is izchaks true form more or less difficult than demogorgon? 17:15 isn't he basically invincible (izchak) 17:15 demgorgon is... vincible 17:17 @?archangel 17:17 No such monster. 17:17 @?arch angel 17:17 No such monster. 17:17 @e?arch angel 17:17 arch angel ~1~ Archangel (A) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification magic | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: special | AC: -6 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast clerical, 2d6 hug physical | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 17:17 uh how was he called again 17:18 how was who called 17:18 izchaks true form 17:18 it is the archangel monster that Hecubus printed out i think 17:26 no it was way more dangerous 17:26 !rng dive | do the mines 17:26 NetSysFire: dive 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:86519 17:31 NetSysFire: it's an archangel but with way more HP than usual 17:31 Like... 1k HP or 2. 17:31 it makes him an archangel and then gives him 1500 hp 17:32 I think he has even better AC, too. 17:32 Like well armoured and all. 17:32 So something like -36 or the like iirc. 17:36 i think he will just have the AC he already had as a human shopkeeper, but with an additional 3 17:36 since shopkeeper base AC is -3, archangel base AC is -6 17:50 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:52 My wooly mammoth permawhiffed on his true form 17:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:9926 17:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:02 @e?giant turtle 18:02 giant turtle (:) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 2 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: -8 | Attacks: 4d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, swims, amphibious, thick hide 18:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una) destroyed the invisible NetSysFire's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:9053 18:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a gold golem, on T:14453 18:20 fuck 18:20 :c 18:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 40505 points, T:14668, killed by an ape 18:28 rip me 18:30 :C 18:31 What's the worst thing about being a gold golem? 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 26979 points, T:10925, killed by a death ray 18:34 Golems break body armor 18:35 And gold is one of the weaker ones 18:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4057 points, T:5206, killed by a soldier ant 18:35 Ah. :( 18:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 triple-headed flail of venom named "Flagellator"", on T:5708 18:38 lol nice 18:38 Go team a! 18:48 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 18:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) destroyed NetSysFire's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:3543 18:59 dungeons haunted by me 19:03 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:08 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 19:15 gold golem is a useful polyform in xnh 19:17 you can use a blessed thiefstone to instantly teleport you back to your base 19:21 hah 19:21 !who 19:21 K2: [hdf-us] VaderFLAG [evil] Pacra [evil] :: [hdf-eu] Graznop [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 19:24 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:42236 19:25 what's so funny k2 19:25 AFter killing him it still just says "you have handled the bell of opening" shouldn't it say it completed the quest? 19:25 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:25 you can use a blessed thiefstone to instantly teleport you back to your base 19:25 ^ funneh 19:26 it's useful 19:26 VaderFLAG: that sounds bad 19:26 VaderFLAG have you also killed the QN? 19:26 Yes 19:26 I have the key 19:26 I have the bell 19:26 so both QL and QN 19:26 He asked for it back 19:26 I said no 19:26 And I killed him 19:26 Saved and reloaded, exited the level 19:27 Both QL and QN are dead dead dead 19:27 Plus a couple of thugs on the side but that was unavoidable, poor jerks 19:28 gonna look at your save 19:28 ok I'm out 19:29 You have completed the Quest. 19:30 says that under 'achievements completed' 19:30 3rd from top 19:30 oh derp, I thought that it would replace the handling 19:30 It just added 19:30 :) 19:30 derp derp derp derp 19:30 you scared me VaderFLAG 19:31 i've never played rogue, is the quest fun? 19:31 the QL is the bad guy from tourist right? 19:31 It's different 19:31 yes 19:31 have you been using your thievery skill? 19:31 No I haven't seen any reason to 19:31 pfft 19:32 What is there to steal that I can't just take by force? 19:33 hulk smash rogue vs finesse rogue 19:33 the QL is the tourist nemesis yeah, the nemesis is a total pushover but it's not a combat-heavy quest 19:33 I accidentally dumped my alignment early or else I might try stealing some spellbooks from the priests and such 19:33 the way the rat king mines end special room was done was inspired by the rogue quest end level 19:41 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 32460 points, T:16030, killed by a tiger, while praying 19:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) permanently converted to lawful, on T:42560 19:45 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:78457 19:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 9795 points, T:8761, killed by a vampire queen 19:49 Cheated! Shouldn't wielding a flail of venom make me poison resistant? 19:50 no 19:50 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Law) had a two-handed sword entrusted to him by Issek, on T:43494 19:52 Oh right - it's only if it is armour of venom. There goes that strat... 19:54 lol 19:55 Also p. sure a vamp queen would've slapped your shit regardless 19:57 Possibly, but damage output was great until strength poisoned down to 8. 19:58 Flail was lots of fun. Definitely have one again, next time once I've got poison resistance! Die and learn :-) 19:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed Aphrodite, on T:8089 20:03 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 4034 points, T:3108, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 20:06 !lastgame rebatela 20:06 qt: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1633866619.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1633211496.evil.html 20:10 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 779 points, T:1557, killed by a rothe 20:11 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 59 points, T:288, killed by a jackal 20:12 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:14 yay! tamed my first eldritch kiirin (thanks for boquet/vaaderflag for the motivation lol ) 20:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) destroyed tinklebear's ghost, the former Pawn, on T:9618 20:15 Nice. 20:22 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Law) destroyed Kas, on T:46718 20:26 and i los it to something,possibly a poly trapl. oh well 20:30 rebatela: i have a question for you 20:31 https://0x0.st/-db-.png 20:31 what did you do to those bars 20:35 F-attack them? 20:39 yeah 20:39 Is there more than one way to smack a potion on bars? 20:40 Oh no rebatela used the potion of antimatter 20:43 idk it caused a weird bug 20:44 ? 20:45 k2 look at the messages https://0x0.st/-db-.png 20:45 blah 20:46 never been a fan of nethack considering a wielded object as worn 20:53 ooh i think i see the problem 20:53 this might be a vanilla bug 20:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) made her first wish - "cursed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:14248 20:55 yess..... this is a vanilla bug.. k2 is blameless as usual O:-) 20:55 he can't keep getting away with it!!! 20:56 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #evilhack 20:57 K2 did grunt also add the racial price modifiers or was that you? 20:59 Not a fan of the current implementation of price modifiers. 21:00 I know old Splice did racial shopkeepers as well, assuming it's been kept (though dunno if there's price mods there) 21:01 Also think that each shopkeeper should modify their prices based on a seed from their generated level or something, so every time you encounter a shop it will be +7% or -16% or something 21:01 Something in like the 5-20% range 21:05 YANI: When you wish for dragonhide *whatever*, there is a chance that Tiamat comes to take it back 21:06 Increase the chance for each dragonhide wish 21:18 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1762 points, T:2168, killed by a killer bee 21:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:55044 21:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:55063 21:23 here's my beautiful iron bars email https://0x0.st/-dbw.txt 21:23 feast your eyes 21:23 Grammar error in line 2 21:24 what is it 21:24 oh "an relatively"? 21:24 a relatively, not an relatively 21:24 good catch 21:24 i had it 'exceptionally' but then i figured that was an exaggeration :) 21:26 Nice analysis 21:28 The pertinent domove_core code should be removed, all that logic should be in hit_bars/hero_breaks 21:29 Presumably breaktest was actually deterministic in some remote past version 21:30 -- Geryon is now the one that swings the rod of dusting your rings of free action, right? I.e. boulder fort guy? 21:30 Or is that Dispater 21:33 No idea 21:33 Monster lookup should provide richer information -- parsing out the stuff from makemon's weapon initialization as well as the MON data 21:33 it looks like geryon gets a axe of shock 21:33 Ok, so same difference 21:34 With all the demon prince work, it might be nice if there was a set of N demon prince weapons that the demon princes could randomly select from on creation 21:34 So sometimes you'd get one dusting your rings, sometimes one would drain your butt off, etc. 21:35 vive le difference 21:35 that's a cool idea, unless there's some important Lore™ reason their object properties were assigned that way? 21:36 Yeah, Yn might keep his flail, but some of them are just like whatevs 21:36 I'd like to see a demon weapon that drained a charge from every charged item in your inventory every time it hit you 21:37 And one that made you drop a few things sometimes (maybe even knocking an item or two out of a bag) 21:38 Dispater has a lore reason for his rod 21:38 Asmo 21:38 etc. 21:38 Oooh, Tiamat should have a special ability to bring a dragonscale item in your inventory back to life as a mad dragon :-) 21:38 Most of the demon lords that can carry weapons do 21:39 Umbire: but the object properties? 21:39 May or may not also be a part of it 21:39 like is there a particular reason geryon's axe does shock damage instead of draining or something 21:39 iunno let's see 21:39 Dispater just has random DnD lore for his rod 21:40 Geryon was also known to possess two enchanted armaments for situations where weaponry was needed. The first was a sentient battle-axe known as Sever, a weapon forged in the Nine Hells that electrocuted those tainted by good or chaos that tried to wield it. 21:40 ez 21:40 wow 21:40 "random" 21:40 so it is Lore™ 21:40 Deep Lore™ 21:40 Rumored to have been empowered at the same time as the Iron Tower, Dispater's rod was both a potent magical artifact and his symbol of ultimate authority.[7][17] It was 3 ft (0.91 m) long, made either of iron and lead or adamantine, and shaped like two intertwined serpents.[3][13] It acted as both a rod of rulership and a powerful staff of striking, allowed the wielder to smite the forces of good and could spew stinging acid. 21:40 Well, "crap made up for DnD" is a poor second to "found in the Kalevala" or "Ovid wrote it" :-) 21:40 It's lit. just DnD shit, much like a lot of vanilla's source material 21:41 Vanilla also does this with a few of the demon lords, Evil just takes it further 21:41 Oooh ooh someone needs to make an icomprehensible Tekumel version of nethack RIGHT AWAY 21:42 All the test should be in Tsolyani 21:42 text rather 21:42 ? 21:42 There are three ancient RPG "worlds" from the dawn of gaming -- random catchall nonsensical DnD stuff, and then Tekumel and Glorantha 21:45 krm26: it's almost kind of a fantasy setting within a science fiction setting? 21:45 Glorantha is sorta bronze age animism and not very nethacky, but Tekumel is suuuuuper nethacky but "weird-ass fallen tech east asian" instead of "generic western europe middle ages that never was" 21:45 reading the wikipedia article it reminds me of Might and Magic 21:47 like how the medieval fantasy world in M&M turns out to be really a giant spaceship or something 21:47 Yes, Tekumel is substantially more Vancian than DnD 21:48 It is a world that was colonized by spacefaring races, including humans, who subjugated and placed its aborigines in reservations, and then there was a cataclysm and it fell into a pocket dimension and magic was real and civilization fell 21:49 So there is magic and old tech in rigid caste societies that have to get by without decent draft animals or metal 21:50 heh 21:50 yes, the weapons the demon lords possess wasnt just a 'whatev' creation :P 21:50 K2: Right, but it might be more fun/surprising if there was some variation in what at least some of them might be swinging each game 21:51 Umbire - both grunthack and sporkhack have racial shopkeepers and do racial pricing. what evilhack uses was initially modelled off of sporkhack's method 21:51 Bet 21:51 i'd look at slash'em though, as it all may have originated from there (I dont know) 21:51 Nah, SLASH'EM uses standard humies 21:51 iunno about pricing but I'm mostly focusing on the racial stuff 21:52 I have to say I'm *really* not a fan of the shopkeepers being a dick to you because of your species. Overcharge me as much as I want but be fucking polite dude 21:52 krm26 perhaps 21:52 but seeing dispater with the wand of orcus wouldnt be right 21:52 When they are that rude there should be no alignment penalty for offing them 21:53 Oh, I agree -- but having Geryon turn up with one of 5 different potential prince weapons? 21:53 qt: reading 21:53 @e?shopkeeper 21:53 shopkeeper (@) | Lvl: 13 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible 21:53 @v?shopkeeper 21:53 shopkeeper (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible 21:53 krm26: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FantasticRacism 21:56 elves and orcs dont get along. just how it is 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a plains centaur), on T:6126 21:57 maybe its because orcs like to hunt down and kill/eat elves 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Geryon, on T:55180 21:58 that's not racism, it's 'this fucker wants to kill me' 21:58 Then tell the cops to back off when I shiv him! 21:58 So it's racism but actually remotely well-founded 21:59 qt nice email 21:59 K2: Also when you say modelled off Spork, do you mean they had racial price adjustments and/or racial shopkeeps? 21:59 sporkhack has both 22:00 has, not had 22:00 the shopkeeprs will even yell out about whatever sale they have going on 22:00 i didnt like that, so i didnt add it 22:01 Coo 22:01 Umbire: are you a man or a pigeon 22:01 * Umbire plants a grammer cop badge on K2 22:01 qt: Yes. 22:01 grammar 22:01 I know what I typed. 22:01 add spelling nazi to the list 22:01 :B 22:01 s/had/has/ would result in 'do you mean they has racial price adjustments?' 22:02 so idk if i would call that being a grammar nazi 22:02 It's the sentiment that count 22:02 counts* 22:02 have 22:02 and also shaddup 22:03 !who 22:03 K2: [hdf-us] Pacra [evil] krm26 [evil] coplate [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 22:03 Was SLASH'EM the first to have them yell about their wares? 22:03 au and eu servers have latest evilhack updates, hdf-us does not yet 22:03 Feel like it was 22:03 no idea 22:03 I'll nudge Ammy about it later 22:04 or you could source dive 22:04 well, that wouldn't necessarily tell you which was the first to introduce a feature 22:04 unless you are looking at the history for every variant and comparing i guess 22:04 slash'em came before grunt/spork 22:04 ^ 22:04 That much at least solves itself 22:05 SLASH'EM was old by the time a lot of variants came on the scene 22:05 grunthack pulled a fair amount of things from slash'em, more than I initially realized 22:05 but it could be that nethack++ or something was the first to have it :) 22:05 In which case we'll figure that out as we go 22:05 one of those other, non-slash'em old variants 22:05 probably unlikely though 22:05 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a ball of cold), on T:7639 22:06 Would source dive right now but I'm in the midst of a good part of SlashTHEM, prepping tins and looking for another source of charging that works on wands 22:06 what does the source of charging you have work on, if not wands? 22:06 tools only? 22:06 or rings? 22:07 Tools only 22:07 Hiked back to a music shop in town 22:07 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 7354 points, T:7712, killed by a bugbear 22:07 which is enough for the tinning kit I got from Lawful Quest 22:07 gonna get to bed. qt thanks for the fixes and such today 22:07 is tool charging a shopkeeper service or something? 22:07 I want my opening wand charged for Grund's 22:07 Ye 22:07 Night K2 22:07 kan(ye)? 22:07 night K2, no problem 22:08 :) 22:08 gnite o/ 22:08 there's a drawbridge and I don't feel like exploding it 22:09 momentary tangent but I'd wager Spork and Grunt do racial shopkeeper stuff differently from each other? 22:09 if you happen to know qt 22:09 sorry, I don't know, I've never played either one 22:11 Ah no worries 22:30 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 22:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 23:03 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) had a bone war hammer entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:20765 23:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class R), on T:58487 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) genocided shocking spheres, on T:58488 23:26 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:38 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1899 points, T:2487, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted piranha 23:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:25251