01:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:17273 02:37 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:38 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:101721 04:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 05:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4784 points, T:6683, killed by a tengu 05:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:21858 05:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1308 points, T:4045, killed by a cave spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze 05:48 Darn. 05:48 Typoed around an eye. :( 06:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5223 points, T:6065, killed by a white unicorn 06:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:22716 06:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 06:40 yay Tomsod 06:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:23654 06:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3041 06:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) had an elven dagger entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:23996 07:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5907 07:32 -!- krm26_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:25842 07:37 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9612 07:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8052 points, T:10418, killed by a giant mimic 08:30 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:17171 09:37 nice 09:39 !whereis Tomsod 09:39 mobileuser: [hdf-eu] Tomsod [evil]: (Inf Elf Mal Una) T:28626 The Gnomish Mines level: 11 (with Amulet) 09:40 it should sometimes say "right there, dummie" when you whereis someone who's on irc 09:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:29328 09:54 hehe that threw me off - with the amulet? 10:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 72 points, T:313, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jackal 10:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una), 83812 points, T:30159, killed by an air elemental 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Mephistopheles, on T:74284 10:18 ugh RIP tomsod.. elves are freaking tough 10:18 shit 10:18 !lastgame tomsod 10:18 VaderFLAG: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tomsod/evilhack/dumplog/1634425782.evil.html 10:19 i will never play another one. nevermind elf infidel. i can't imagine 10:19 polytrap? 10:19 shouldn't be an air elemental there right? 10:19 What's "A huge hole opens up..." is that canceling an elemental while engulfed? 10:20 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 10:20 No it must be a spell 10:21 it's slow monster in air elemental VaderFLAG 10:21 ah that's it 10:21 damn good move too 10:21 Slow monster will unengulf you? that's good to know 10:21 it's like the only use for those wands 10:21 only for vortices and air elementals 10:21 doesn't do it for anything else 10:22 no way, I love slow monster wands 10:22 really? 10:22 super useful early on for squishy classes 10:22 i prefer making myself fast,but i guess it's the same thing 10:22 i always poly those wands 10:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1738 points, T:2615, killed by a baby owlbear, while dragging an iron ball 10:22 it's funny how strategies are different. i learn so much from you guys 10:23 By the time you have polymorph they're not that useful 10:23 even watching graznop ascend the other day i was blown away at stuff i'd never seen before 10:23 well they actually ARE useful on the plane of air 10:24 -!- Tomsod has joined #evilhack 10:24 Hey Tomsod, we were just lamenting your air elemental encounter 10:24 I didn't know slow monster would unengulf you from whirlies 10:25 Apparently, despite the Amulet of Yendor blocking teleportation, you will still be teleported along with the monster engulfing you if you zap said monster. Unexpected! 10:26 AoY only blocks teleportation for you, not monsters. zapping tele at the monster that's engulfing you teleports them. if you're inside, of course you go with 10:26 I really need to prepare for air elementals in advance -- this is what, my second or third run ended by one? 10:27 why was it even there? trap? 10:27 But that's not what happens on no-teleport levels 10:27 Would expect that no-tp because of amulet and no-tp because of level to produce the same result 10:27 Yeah, same. 10:27 that's vanilla behavior. maybe a bug? maybe intended behavior? 10:28 And it appeared because the Amulet ups monster generation. 10:28 oh damn 10:28 that's nuts 10:28 In vanilla you can still teleport with the Amulet, just not reliably. 10:29 well mines 5 is like dlvl 7 at least, and xplvl13+7 = minumum for air elementals to spawn naturally 10:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 17 points, T:77, killed by a falling rock 10:29 BTW, another bug: normally when you go up in Sokoban, difficulty rises. But if you carry the Amulet, it doesn't (no adjustment for an upward branch). 10:29 but yeah Tomsod we saw you obtain dragonbane. i was thinking 'he's well on his way now' 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:34705 10:30 Do you even know your own variant? :P 10:30 Pretty sure I teleported away an anti-matter vortex that was engulfing me on the plane-of-air with the Amulet ??? 10:30 Yeah you did cuz it works when the level is no-tp 10:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 40 points, T:125, killed by a sewer rat 10:30 oic because it's not letting YOU teleport? 10:30 yeah Tomsod i know of every bug that exists. i just chose not to fix anything until players notice 10:30 haha 10:30 lol 10:31 high speed / low drag 10:31 This death was entirely avoidable, though. I just needed to pack a wand of polymorph, but I was like "why would I ever need it"? 10:31 :/ 10:32 8 infidel asc so far \o/ including one from yesterday 10:32 finally had one where they werent in demon form 10:32 poly is one of those wands i'll keep in open inventory if i have one 10:32 Well, I guess I'm not a pro player. 10:32 sucks if it gets destroyed, but it can be a lifesaver 10:32 pffft. i'm not either bro 10:33 i'm not either 10:33 its hard to not want to get crowned as an infidel 10:33 being a demon is fun 10:34 until some monster shows up with silver weapons 10:35 If I ever go to that point, I'll probably unrestrict 2H swords, since there are like two guaranteed artifact ones, and Inf are not afraid of curses. 10:35 I wish I had done that 10:36 an infidel with lifestealer or the sword of kas could do some serious damage 10:38 Anyway, the lesson here is not to expect me to survive till Castle even if I altar-scum for an entire day again. 10:39 heh 10:39 is there anyway to get see invisible back besides wearing ring? 10:39 wearing eyes of the overworld so blinding myself is a pita 10:39 Fountain, I think? 10:39 How did you lose it? 10:39 get crowned 10:39 wont lose see invis if you ggot it via crowning 10:40 oh ok 10:40 thanks 10:40 just tamed a titan w00t 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Looksfar (Hea Elf Mal Neu), 195 points, T:838, killed by a large mimic 10:41 i love pets that can heal themselves.. those woolys are fun but they take serious damage 10:42 new monster: woolly mammoth enchanter 10:42 balance? what's that? 10:42 arch-mammoth 10:42 woolly lich 10:42 only knows acid splash 10:42 its a lich, but furry 10:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 167 points, T:665, killed by a newt 10:43 Hopefully on the next run I finally get a magic marker. It's probably the best chance to obtain holy water for Inf. So far I got BoHs three runs in a row, which is why I'm not even mad I died now. 10:43 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:869 10:43 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:43 oh damn that's an early wish 10:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:74567 10:44 tomsod: don't hold your breath looking for a marker in evilhack... 10:44 i got the kathryn one again this run. just remembered that i have one. i'm so used to never having one 10:45 Oh, K2, I saw you add antimatter vortices? If you ever need to nerf them, here's an idea: make them behave like actual antimatter and lose HP (and maybe produce explosions) every time they annihilate something. 10:45 hah that would be interesting 10:45 That way they can be defeated with junk, but if there's no junk, you'll have to sacrifice something useful. 10:46 'You hit the antimatter vortex! Matter and antimatter come together... the dungeon is destroyed! DYWYPI?' 10:47 probably going to need the marker to re-write spellbooks (long game) 10:47 Well, maybe slightly smaller explosions. 10:47 future players can encounter the gamma ray saturation if they encounter antimatter vortex bones 10:47 vaderflag: not sure how i lost see invibislbe, although i assume magic trap. i'm invisible not by choice as well 10:48 'Everything is glowing. You feel ill. DYWYPI?' 10:48 Fountains can strip you of (see) invisible, IIRC. 10:48 Like, they toggle it. 10:48 that could be it too then 10:49 Wait, no, that was magic traps. 10:49 i'm not sure there are any fountains left anyway 10:49 i was constantly sitting on the magic traps in VOTD to make them go away 10:50 kiting wraiths that didn't want to walk through 10:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 642 points, T:1778, killed by a rabid dog 10:55 Great an npc infidel, now I'm paranoid of getting one-shot acid splashed if I even go near him 10:56 what level? 10:57 Oh, and another one: why were elves still peaceful to my elven Inf? I thought that was fixed. Did you not get around to it? 10:57 Definitely not going to walk up to him to ask! 10:57 But he generated in dlvl 12-ludios at xp13 11:01 Tomsod it was fixed 11:01 what did I tell you about making friends as an infidel? 11:01 moloch frowns upon that behavior 11:02 I killed them all, though. 11:02 heh 11:03 But they certainly spawned peaceful, except for one elven soldier. 11:03 soldiers will always be hostile regardless of their race and yours 11:04 just did a quick wizmode test, every type of elf i spawned was hostile to my elven infidel 11:04 i didnt even look at them funny 11:05 Maybe the Hardfought version is older that that commit? 11:05 no, its current 11:05 !lastgame Tomsod 11:05 K2: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tomsod/evilhack/dumplog/1634425782.evil.html 11:06 yeah that was 0.7.1 11:06 its possible i'm missing certain scenarios 11:06 BRB, code-diving. 11:07 doesn't every chaotic have some chance to spawn peaceful? 11:07 in that case, could just have been funny RNG 11:10 makemon.c:3527 -- the check for racial friends/enemies is above the Inf-elf check at 3537. Doesn't look fixed to me! 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:37382 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37382 11:11 looking forward to your PR Tomsod 11:11 :) 11:11 I suppose I could? But it's like two lines at most. 11:11 its ok 11:11 i'll do the thing 11:12 elves are so squishy early game. kudos for getting that far 11:12 the mines are tough with all those mutlishot crossbow hits etc. 11:12 The trick is to startscum until you get magic missile :) 11:12 hehe no shame in that 11:13 * rebatela start scums every game 11:13 The unholy water is also a lifesaver. 11:13 honestly playing elf made me a better player i think (but i'm never doing it again) 11:14 they need some kind of incentive 11:14 i like elves. getting full sleep res by exp level 4 is a big deal 11:14 Although I think I'll accept create monster for the next game. Turns out it has stellar synergy with Secespita! 11:14 instrinsic mr or something... 11:14 k2: yeah, well i always play monk so i take sleep resist etc. for granted 11:14 I play an elf mostly for crowning benefits. 11:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 2102 points, T:3696, killed by a little dog, while frozen by a potion 11:15 Never got that far though. 11:16 it took me hundreds of tries to ascend that chaotic elven monk, and elenmriie tried it a ton too. so frustrating for some reason 11:16 the str/con caps suck i think is part of the problem 11:16 I think elenmirie's game is still ongoing 11:16 oh nice 11:17 Monks probably don't mesh well with iron vulnerability, yeah. 11:17 ugh and one game i had teleportis and didn't realize the teleprot control ring i had was iron... 11:17 i wore it most of the time anyway, but couldn't regenerate 11:18 Oh, and today I was zapped with cancellation for the first time. Is there any reliable defense besides keeping lots of junk in open inventory? 11:19 No 11:19 IT SUCKS... gather enchantment scrolls 11:19 monsters will zap poly at you too which is even worse before you have mr 11:19 Junk it is then. Probably gems. 11:20 Yeah, I experienced that before. 11:20 standing on your stash/something zaps poly and your entire stash turns into a tin opener 11:20 i have an idea for some type of cancellation 'resistance' 11:20 That caused one of my astral splats 11:20 use crystal chests 11:20 its on my to-do in my head 11:20 But there are like three ways to protect yourself from polymorph. 11:21 (And for stash, I guess there are crystal chests?) 11:21 yeah, that's what i use 11:21 Tomsod have a look - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/3f6fd99064d6f1e2aeb394318560de42655007a1 11:21 i usually polypile for a crystal chest if i don't get that aphrodite level 11:21 that commit is from August 11:22 maybe it requires the first 'fix' to be present as well 11:22 Oh, I think I get it. 11:22 Is lovemask preserved on save-load? 11:22 hmm good question 11:22 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3318 points, T:6326, zombified by an elf zombie, while fainted from lack of food 11:22 i dont know 11:23 I know that I had to reset the crowned race on every reload, and it's also urace. 11:23 yeah it is no longer 0 after save/reload 11:24 Also: I didn't intend for everyone to hate Inf. Orcs and demons are okay. 11:24 so that has some implications for convict role too 11:24 i really want to try giant priest. the no robe thing is such a bummer though... There needs to be a giant sized robe 11:24 i guess the trick is to get lucky and gather those staffs 11:25 Tomsod alright i'll make some adjustemnts and test 11:25 lots of priest fta's open... 11:26 hah yeah, you start a game as elven infidel - any elves you encounter before you save the game will be hostile. save game, reload - any new elves that spawn afterwards will be peaceful 11:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1700 points, T:2956, killed by a rothe 11:29 Yep, these bugs are hard to catch, reload broke Inf crowning until v1.2 in my patch. 11:31 alright, lets test this change 11:32 yup that works 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had a knife entrusted to him by Mog, on T:19589 11:32 basically reverting the 'better fix' from august 11:32 Cool. 11:32 but, convict role uses that same hack for love/hatemask 11:33 i need to address it also 11:33 fix two bugs in one go 11:33 omg Tomsod is here 11:33 That'll have to be reset on every load, I suppose. 11:34 Yeah, I died again. 11:34 can you convince K2 to tweak the difficulty of champions just a little? 11:34 hahaha 11:34 Should their axes be enchanted? 11:34 ooh yeah 11:34 hahaha 11:34 nooooooooooooooo 11:34 i have fallen into my own trap 11:34 better AC what? 11:34 great idea NetSysFire 11:34 fuck 11:35 :P 11:35 Oh, in the original patch I couldn't use object properties. That could work too. 11:35 a modern day lava gremlin episode 11:35 and they should ride a disintegration vortex 11:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 252 points, T:1366, killed by a hobbit 11:35 no i feel like champions appear a little too early but have the same difficulty level as agents. i feel like the difficulty level could be increased by 1 or 2 so they appear a little, really just a little, later than agents 11:36 But seriously, they're supposed to be deadly and to appear early. Save the fire horn for them. 11:36 ^ that 11:36 told ya this was by design :) 11:37 noooooooooooooo 11:37 anyways, something serious for once 11:37 convict and their cursed striped shirt wont really work with nudist 11:37 hahahaha 11:37 so you can effectively have a better run with convict when you start as a nudist 11:37 * amateurhour wheezes 11:37 bhahaha 11:38 "It's you from the wanted for the indecent exposure poster!" 11:38 (but why the poster) 11:38 but-but-but @ has magic pants! 11:38 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3423 11:38 object properties on the axes, great idea 11:39 this channel is evil 11:39 0/10 bad service. didnt get any ketchup 11:39 E-VEEL 11:40 Alright, alright, the convict one is a valid complaint indeed. 11:40 https://blog.devolutions.net/2017/10/sysadminotaur-63-one-star re the ketchup 11:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci3rYOH8t3A 11:41 I was implying that nudist Con should instead be banned from shops if they show up naked. On a second thought, do they even have a choice? 11:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnbqi-fj9pA 11:42 they could just poly into something else 11:42 If EvilHack had masks, it could be solved perfectly. 11:42 but that breaks nudist 11:42 Accessories don't, I think? 11:42 or does it 11:43 i dunno never played dnethack 11:43 Also there's invisibility. 11:43 but shks dont let invisible folks in 11:43 you could tele into the shop though 11:43 Yep. 11:44 but imagine a naked person suddenly teleports into your shop 11:45 Oh, maybe have them ban entry if they see the iron ball? 11:45 That makes a lot of sense 11:46 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 11:46 i already suggested that but only for convicts? 11:46 maybe you can hide the ball in your inv and with a cloak 11:46 hide the chain with the cloak or something 11:48 That could work. 11:49 i suggested that the iron ball is covered in bright orange paint and need to be dipped in water first to wash it off 11:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1592 points, T:2716, crunched in the head by an iron ball 11:49 lol 11:49 it doesnt let it rust but 11:49 What a great death message 11:50 Oh! Maybe break the nudist conduct only if they wear enchanted shirts. I mean, if we're assuming magic pants, a non-magic shirt complements them perfectly. 11:51 There aren't any benefits from wearing a +0 shirt, right? 11:51 right, unless said shirt has some other property 11:51 plain old +0 shirt, no real benefit 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 587 points, T:2028, killed by a gnome lady 11:56 debating whether to do vecna... I guess do the first level at least for the loot, but that's usually as far as i go 11:56 you are clearly not a nudist if you wear a shirt 11:57 If only EvilHack had invisible items. 11:57 i mean, in terms of mechanics it doesn't help you (other than keeping up your spirits by providing a nice message when you read it) but it seems wrong to call you a 'nudist' if you wear a shirt 11:58 i never liked invisible objects 11:58 had my fill of those playing grunthack 11:59 I remember, in SLASHTHEM, I usually zapped my entire inventory with make invisible as a defense from thieves. 12:00 a greased object should have a chance to resist being stolen 12:01 But the question is, does the nudist conduct still imply the omitted-from-gameplay-but-still-concievably-present pants? It could be seen less literally, as a "no real armor" conduct. 12:01 i always thought that wearing body armor implied pants/trousers 12:02 however, having bejeweled leather battle shorts that are two sizes too small has a certain appeal 12:11 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/J6lMX 12:11 [EvilHack] k21971 bcb3f7b - Fix: same race could still be peaceful towards Convicts or Infidels. 12:12 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/J6lyZ 12:12 [EvilHack] k21971 4a79e1e - Correct typo from last commit. 12:12 bleh 12:14 K2: except disintegration res 12:14 a shirt can still shield you from a disintegration resistance i'd wager 12:14 Nope, it can't. 12:15 err breath, not res 12:15 i thought it could do that 12:15 servers updated with latest commits 12:15 Only body armor, cloak, or shield. 12:15 but wait 12:15 what if convicts wish for a dragonhide t-shirt? 12:15 that gives good ac 12:15 or get some via other ways. or a leather one 12:16 I suppose only 0 AC shirt should be allowed. 12:17 0 ac or less? 12:17 Not sure about less. 12:17 i heard there is a tnnt challenge of reach -30 ac. i know evil isnt vanilla (yet) but that could aid in challenges 12:18 K2 and i once discussed that the infidel should maybe gain an ability to apply a curse to an item, maybe like remove curse but different and high level 12:18 it's +30 ac isn't it? 12:20 Wait, K2, your commit breaks demons being friendly to crowned Infidels. Can't you just special-case elves? Nothing wrong with e.g. mind flayers supporting their cultist compatriots. 12:20 amateurhour: err yeah 12:20 sorry 12:20 also mindflayer shks still call me scum 12:21 yeah i can special case elves 12:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:20497 12:21 I've thought about remove curse working differently for Inf, as currently it sort of shoots them in the foot. But it's not like they can invent their own spells. 12:22 yes, maybe a sacrifice gift? 12:22 or #invoke secespita 12:22 I've made Moloch prayer favors unbless or curse worn armor in my patch, though. Don't remember if I PR'd that to K2. 12:23 Probably not. 12:23 doit! 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) performed his first genocide (locusts), on T:25668 12:23 also enchant weapon/armor uncursing stuff is annoying 12:23 good geno 12:24 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:27 In the end, the unholy water they start with is what's supposed to be used for curses. This actually makes sense, as there's no "bless spell" for ordinary players, either, only holy water. 12:28 i mean infidel is supposed to be hard after all 12:28 NetSysFire and I discussed it, I saw it more as a thought experiement. there is no bless spell for players, therefore neither should there be a curse spell 12:28 To perfectly honest, I haven't tried to make a hard role. It just sort of happened. 12:28 lol 12:29 i mean yes it was just idle rambling as always 12:29 at least i got K2 to not give spellbooks of clairvoyance to infidels on start anymore 12:30 Tomsod overall you've done a great job with infidel. feedback from players has been positive 12:31 it is a much-needed twist to how one ascends 12:31 It doesn't feel like an exceptionally difficult role, but challenging especially in the early game like a tourist or other late-bloomer role 12:31 Strictly speaking, it's not useless, as the clairvoyance from other sources improves the clairvoyance spell a bit (cast as skilled). 12:32 Indeed! I tried to give them some late-game advantages to make up for a challenging start. 12:33 i really like infidel, as much as complain in here 12:33 theres an i missing in ^ 12:33 being evil is good, and ith inf is also pretty fun and challenging 12:34 I just wish I could one day ascend it. It's borderline embarrassing. Couldn't my patch have been adopted by a less hardcore variant? 12:35 lol 12:35 i mean one of the interesting sideeffects is that orctown and orc temple is actually good 12:35 but infidel basically broke rat kings mines end 12:36 I remember AntiGulp showing some interest, but that went nowhere. 12:36 Why did it break rat king? 12:36 you cant tele with the aoy 12:36 she already had infernal in splicehack, maybe that's why Tomsod 12:36 and you need to step on a portal to get to some places 12:36 *infernal role 12:36 err race 12:37 infernal race = playing as a demon 12:37 Oh that secret room, yeah, but that's only slightly more annyoing to get in to 12:37 dropping the aoy is risky 12:37 Sure but so is going into that room! 12:37 But I mean if you can be an orcish barbarian, why not an infernal infidel? 12:37 you would be crowned as a demon 12:38 that'd need adjustments 12:38 Nothing unsolvable, though. 12:38 yes 12:39 But I understand she later decided to rewrite Splice from scratch? That also could be why. 12:39 she did 12:39 the rewrite is live on the servers (version 1.0.0) 12:40 it's kinda funny how chaos is already treated as evil - stealing souls, spork knight patch, etc 12:40 a proper, unaligned, molochian evil makes that even funnier 12:41 YANI: there should be a sacrifice bonus from sacrificing agents and champions 12:41 as an infidel 12:42 oh, and don't forget that interacting with foocubi is a chaotic act too 12:42 wait i just thought of something 12:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:75143 12:42 rodney harassing the player by cursing their items can be kinda good 12:42 got badly drained though. yikes 12:42 Unless he curses the BoH, of course. 12:43 123 max hp now. oh well. good thing for nurses 12:43 even neutrals are, i guess, expected to blast down foocubi from a distance or else risk their mortal souls 12:44 K2: did you try shattered pixel dungeon yet? 12:44