00:17 bouquet I think I see why your game crashed 00:17 'The Aleax's silver shield of light crumbles away!' 00:18 no backtrace but the stack trace shows things happening with light sources 00:18 obj goes bye bye, light source wasnt snuffed out I bet 00:19 that happened when your pet titan cast destroy armor monster spell at that aleax 00:20 now that gold dragon scales are a thing in vanilla 3.7, I wonder if the same thing can happen there? 00:20 hrmm 00:22 no it wouldnt, its accounted for 00:24 I think i see it... need to recreate 00:24 * tinklebear rages, rages against the dying of the light 00:24 :) 00:24 need to fix this, its a nasty crash bug 00:24 couldnt recover the crash 00:34 Hi tinklebear 01:05 hello, Umbire 01:05 How's you 01:05 doing okay i guess. how's the drawing going? 01:07 not 01:07 (currently) 01:07 I am catching up on vids and contemplating resuming THEM 01:08 when the inspiration strikes 01:08 Feel like I should sniff out the Neutral Quest next 01:08 I will draw at a later point, just not doing so right this moment 01:08 gotcha 01:09 THEM is a movie? 01:09 * tinklebear is without clue 01:09 oh, slashTHEM. got it 01:17 yeah 01:17 as opposed to Them!, which as far as I remember popularized the giant insect subgenre of monster movie 01:17 (Go team a!) 01:23 lol. think I remember a flamethrower or something 01:29 so that's how we got fire ants 01:37 :D 02:26 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:52 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:17 EPI: e.g iron chests can only be opened by iron keys, mithril chests can only be opened by mithril keys 04:19 EPI: the material of keys don't match up, e.g. iron key opens mithril chest, and it's randomised when you start a new game 04:21 thats even more evil 04:21 well done 04:25 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4649 points, T:4111, killed by a champion of Crom 04:33 unfair 04:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:47 * arahael just forces the chests open with the random Excalibur he found. 05:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:22 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:22 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 05:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:99223 05:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:99302 05:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:99303 05:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3806 06:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3378 points, T:4076, killed by a gnoll 06:55 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1795 points, T:4129, killed by Cronos' ghost 07:01 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:41 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:6206 08:09 there should be other ways of getting acid resistance. i'm trying to not wish for dragonbane, but man it's hard 08:09 (and i have an alhemy smock) 08:09 YDSM 08:10 3 sources is a lot 08:10 Freedom just recently got its second and it is restricted from a lot of roles/styles of play 08:10 (And freedom is MUCH more important than acid) 08:11 Drain resistance is a hardship too were it not for property wishing 08:11 But one is a ring and rings are much easier to get and more flexible 08:11 I don't consider rings very flexible when generally freedom is mandatory :-P 08:11 But a ring of acid resistance would be totally fine I think 08:12 Acid resistance, drain resistance, psionic resistance, unchanging -- and of that stuff wouldn't unbalance anything on another ring 08:12 i don't care about drain resistance one bit. It's a luxury 08:13 Yeah, like acid resistance :-) 08:13 but that acid spell just brought me from 150hp to like 70 in one shot and i have -40ac 08:13 no, I can survive without drain resistance. 08:13 MR, reflection, freedom are all I consider really mandatory 08:13 can't wait til you get smoked by that acid spell... 08:13 Cancel the acid caster 08:14 ok 08:14 Pop one of your !fh 08:14 i forgot about ydsm because i always play monik 08:14 You get paralyzed and you'll get nickle-and-dimed further than that one acid spell for sure :-) 08:14 monk 08:14 so i guess it is fair 08:15 Omigod, Monk WITHOUT Dragonbane is really hampering yourself 08:15 no one is arguing you don't need free action. sheesh. vanilla is like that 08:15 Dragonbane is like the best artifact for non-monks, for monks it is even beyond that 08:15 i know 08:15 i really want to get it from sacrifice 08:15 basically i'm just trying not to WISH for it 08:15 Farmfarmfarm 08:15 yep 08:15 I love chaotic monks, Dragonbane + P'hul -- so relaxing 08:15 and with the new wishing rules, it should be possible because it's not like the junk i get first affects my othewr wishes 08:16 yeah... that chaotic elven monk only got 0:1 wand so i never got to wish for p'hul 08:16 i didn't want to blow wishes trying for it (had aleready wished for dbane) 08:17 and i'm in the same boat in this game. I REALLY want EotA, and since I can't get that from sacrificing i'm gonna wish for it and hope to get dragonbane from god 08:17 Well, the only thing standing between you and Dragonbane-from-sacrifice is your stomach for it 08:17 heh. I've never gotten it that way! i always see mobileuser and others get it 08:18 i guess i've gotten it in vanilla, but it's not gloves 08:18 I'm generally too lazy but I did have a game recently where I squeezed it out after like 30k turns of farming 08:18 i've seen some people get it super early in the game 08:18 Yeah, we hate people like that 08:18 somehow i feel like it's gonna take me forev er 08:18 haha 08:19 Artifact before the mines are clear -> I am definitely going to die in some stupid and avoidable way 08:19 i don't mind farming. i never play for low turns so whatevs 08:20 G'day. Question about bones - is the current bones pool only 0.7.1 deaths, or does it include 0.6 etc? 08:21 I don't know when the last bones-breaking change was, K2 will need to give you that info 08:21 0.7.1 only 08:22 bones stick with their own version, cant mix 08:22 Asking because I was thinking it affects wishing for EotA, ring of P'Hul etc. - if there is a relatively good chance of finding them in bones, due to all the late game deaths 08:23 OK. Thanks K2. 08:23 I feel like there aren't a lot of good lategame bones out there right now, lots of deaths on nobones levels 08:23 I prefer dying in sokoban :-) 08:25 How do I request a feature on the nh scoreboard to show me games by version, ordered by turncount? 08:25 haha 08:25 So we can see what bones there are to aim for? 08:26 graznop: with the new wishing rules, finding bones doesn't screw you 08:27 Without the new wishing rules, I think I'd have bones turned off 08:29 i always play weaponless, so it was super frustrating always finding stuff i couldnt use anyway- in bones, on the floor, sacrifice, etc 08:31 Funny how the rng plays games like that, isn't it? Last game I had petrification resistance and didn't see a single beholder 08:33 hehe 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) wished for "magic marker", on T:64356 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64363 08:38 asshole didn' 08:39 didn't pick up the book! 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:64541 08:45 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:46 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) performed the invocation, on T:64684 08:48 can't get proper book delivery service these days 08:53 Peaceful sanctum is so eerie 08:55 Uh what do I do here, #offer, #invoke, #pray? 08:55 #chat 08:55 no wait 08:56 offer the amulet on the altar 08:56 #pet 08:56 VaderFLAG is this your first infidel? 08:56 I did #chat first and he asked me for money, hehe 08:56 So I gave him 2 zorkmids 08:56 hah 08:56 This is my fist sanctum infidel, yeah 08:56 yeah you need to sac the amulet first 08:57 VaderFLAG: why did the peaceful alhoon start attacking you 08:57 I whipped out sunsword 08:57 ah 08:57 oh that aggros alhoons? 08:57 you made it hangry 08:57 Undead take offense or some nonsense. 08:57 yes, any weapon or object that is a *bane to makes them hangry 08:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) imbued the Idol of Moloch, on T:64853 08:58 woop 08:58 now chat the priest 08:58 I like the priest chat, nice and flavorful and unequivocal 08:59 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:59 did you have to kill your QL? 08:59 no 08:59 gonna go see him next 08:59 ok, you'll want to chat them up on the way back up 08:59 no more power drain when casting 09:00 That'll be pretty sweet 09:00 Already pretty asskicking with the drain and regen 09:00 wooo 09:01 all my armor got un-cursed some how, I didn't remove curse or anything. weird 09:01 cancelled? 09:01 Oh Yeah I guess cancel can remove bc but not the enchantment 09:02 heya qt 09:02 playing infidel definitely makes me want underlined peacefuls heh 09:03 :) 09:03 but you can smack around peacefuls and its ok 09:03 its what infidels do 09:04 hi K2 09:04 * K2 waves 09:04 did the hdf-eu fingerprint change 09:04 I have an interesting one for you qt when you have time 09:04 qt yes it did 09:04 ok 09:04 updated fingerprints are here - https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/#how-to-connect 09:04 or has the mitm attacker hijacked k2's irc connection to say this 09:05 so he can spy on me spectating eu games 09:05 :P 09:05 eu server best server 09:05 the reign of the us server is OVER 09:05 lol 09:05 K2: what is the interesting thing? 09:06 so last night bouquet had a crash. nasty one, couldnt recover the crash 09:06 what happened was this: 09:06 bouqet was fighting an aleax that was wearing a shield of light. his pet titan cast destroy armor at the aleax, destroying its shield 09:06 light goes away as it should 09:07 as soon as he left the level, crash 09:07 i was able to recreate it 09:07 https://termbin.com/i920 09:07 same thing will happen if a monster is wearing gold dragon scales/scale mail 09:08 in vanilla, this doesnt happen. how gold dragon scales/shield of light cast light is the same method 09:08 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:64697 09:08 so i'm at a losss. the 'double buffering unexpected' panic i've never seen before 09:12 i think that is bc it is trying to save, has the save file open 09:12 then it panics in the process, panic causes it to try to emergency save 09:12 it tries to open the same file twice 09:12 or something like that 09:12 huh 09:12 so i think it's just a symptom not really related to the actual problem 09:13 just indicative of the fact it's crashing in the process of saving the level 09:14 so what is the actual problem then? obj giving off light is destroyed, light goes away 09:14 is the obj not being freed up somehow? 09:15 idk i'm looking at it, my guess is that it's not properly deleting the light source info 09:15 like, it seems like the light has disappeared because it tries to place it where the object is, and the object isn't anywhere, so you don't actually see a light 09:16 but the light source info is still in the light sources list 09:16 just a guess 09:16 amateurhour: eu server not best server, it broke dynahack 09:16 huh 09:16 me - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2552/source 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Lolth, on T:65279 09:20 K2: will you see if it still happens after this change https://termbin.com/ix3y 09:21 oooh good catch 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance", on T:65296 09:21 will test here in a few min 09:31 dynahack was fixed on eu I heard? 09:31 it was 09:31 aosdict eu = best server 09:31 all it was, some missing dependencies in the chroot. game would play, just wouldnt render in unicode graphics mode, looked like 'plain' mode 09:32 i hope the sysadmin was fired for that blunder 09:32 they have been sacked 09:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Orion's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:35389 09:36 alright lets test this 09:37 qt found the one (hopefully only?) place I forgot to update with the 'extract_from_minvent()' function 09:41 that appears to do the trick 09:44 nice 09:45 wanna do a couple more tests 09:47 yup we're good 09:49 k2 is there any way to use the light spell/wand/whatever without angering everyone around you 09:51 it's not only when standing next to them? 09:51 if you're far enough away it wont anger them 09:51 as in a couple tile spaces 09:51 maybe make that less harsh? 09:51 plus it wont always anger, just sometimes 09:51 mobileuser i already did 09:52 only a chance of anger when standing next to them? 09:52 what if you are in a tiny little temple and you want to light it up 09:52 is there no way to do it now 09:52 well there is 09:52 light still works :) 09:52 but you'll run a chance of angering anyone nearby that has eyes and isnt blind 09:53 maybe uncursed scroll of light doesn't have the blinding effect, and blessed does? or vice-versa? 09:53 that way you could have options for using it as a pure utility effect, at least... 09:53 I propose to make not standing next to them safe 09:54 it already is 09:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:36823 09:54 for a certain value of 'next' 09:54 look at blindingflash() in zap.c 09:54 starting at around line 6180 09:57 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JKHyZ 09:57 [EvilHack] k21971 5f92cee - Fix: crash when leaving level after a monsters worn light source was destroyed. 09:59 ^ fix is live, if you're currently playing, you'll want to save/reload to catch the fix 10:00 k2 that looks like a certain value of next to me 10:01 I propose to make not standing *directly* next to them safe :-) 10:02 heh its fine as is. if you're two tiles away you're good 10:02 i've already made this a lot less harsh from the original implementation 10:02 two tiles away, ok 10:03 also, you should have a chance to blind yourself :-) 10:04 lol it's funny people at first think it's a mistake or something. k2 loves it 10:04 think what's a mistake? 10:04 the blinding with the wand etc 10:05 nah, not a mistake, just annoying :-) 10:05 just gotta be super careful engrave testing near peacefuls. you learn the hard way once 10:05 yes but intentional ;) 10:05 i like it 10:06 oh and I ended up it lava yesterday at the castle :( 10:06 ouch 10:06 BUT i was able to problem solve my way out of it and luckily live (can't teleport obviously) 10:07 k2 this is the area where blinding will happen? https://termbin.com/9q84 10:07 I was leading wraiths out of the valley past the castle lava, had to think about each keystroke :b 10:07 rebatela: how did you do it 10:07 wand of cold was empty but luckily had a charging scroll for the wand of wishing, had to get out of my bag, bless, charge. luckily i didn't die yet and zapped cold down 10:08 now i'm stuck in the floor 10:08 qt yes that looks correct 10:08 sooo zapped cold all around at the other lava and then dug 10:08 nice 10:08 NOW, is that more fun that "are you sure you want to step into the lava?" ;) 10:08 (i think so) 10:11 rebatela: sounds like suboptimal play, its clear you aren't a leet nethack speedrun king 10:12 any time spent on fun can and should be removed 10:21 lol 10:24 -!- krm26_ has joined #evilhack 10:27 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:29 rebatela: i wonder how you'd feel if you'd instadied instead 10:32 i would feel good 10:32 i long for death 10:33 well i don't think i stepped into it i was engulfed and i feel like something pushed me into it? i guess i might have typo'd 10:33 but i cant speak for rebatela 10:33 but if I typo'd into lava and died I'd kick myself for playing too fast/carelessly and go on with my life/start another game 10:34 it just seems pointless to have lava there if what happened to me can't happen 10:36 and i enjoyed the problem solving and limited turns to do so 10:36 spicycebolla: without fire resistance it is instadeath for sure 10:36 yeah getting stuck in a corner like that and needing to think your way out is very fun 10:36 i dunno if that has happened to me. I think a long long time ago 10:38 fair, i guess in nethack lava doesn't do a lot 10:38 aside from the death 10:39 spicyCebolla: have you gotten instakilled by lava? 10:40 qt not sure, i've done a LOT of unique deaths for JNH so i'd have a hard time remembering the real deaths apart from the intentional ones 10:40 in brogue, the level builder is smart enough to put things on the other side of a bunch of lava, so that you have to use levi pot, fire immunity pot, blinking staff, or other resources to cross 10:40 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40 and it's a light source 10:40 put that slex trap where your controls get rotated 45 degrees near lava and disable paranoid swim 10:40 and if you throw an item in, it catches fire, which can start nearby foliage or gases burning, which can get really chain reactiony 10:41 so it doesn't *need* falling-in to make it interesting and impactful 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) murdered his faithful cobra, on T:66217 10:42 with theme rooms now, we can at least do the "cross the lava" puzzle stuff :D 10:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Tymora, on T:41034 10:49 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) entered the Planes, on T:66866 10:58 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:66867 10:58 not really, people will just dig around it 10:58 pick-axe op pls nerf 10:58 you could have a ring of lava 11:01 i guess it's a lot harder to do a terrain puzzle because there's so many excess resources 11:01 like will anyone really miss a zap or two from a wand of cold 11:02 it's not just the food clock, the *everything* clock is generous :o 11:03 it'd have to be a theme *floor*, like medusa, not a theme room? to make a terrain puzzle big enough to require problem solving skills 11:04 i guess that's why nodig is a thing. nofreeze noboulder? 11:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:42503 11:09 aw no red horse for infidels eh 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Famine, on T:67056 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the saddled barded Black Horse, on T:67057 11:13 blast them all away :-) 11:15 epic 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the high priestess, on T:67081 11:16 which altar are you aiming for? 11:17 Amaterasu is weak, which is perfect since he's the one who crowned me 11:17 Can't even see a true agent of moloch 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) put Death down for a little nap, on T:67127 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:67128 11:26 oh watch out 11:26 invoke 11:26 the idol 11:26 \o/ 11:26 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Mal Una), 6705984 points, T:67161, ascended (with the Idol) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/VaderFLAG/evilhack/dumplog/1634075511.evil.html 11:26 congrats!! 11:26 Congrats! 11:26 omg infidel is so much fun 11:26 woooo!! 11:27 I know right? :-) 11:40 weeee rawr 11:45 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 11:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (green slimes), on T:5176 11:55 Evil: When you genocide green slimes, the game starts producing blue slimes instead; then on through other [color] slimes -- no relief from sliming 11:56 Once you genocide an entire spectrum of slimes the ultimate slime god is summoned to kill you 11:56 ah so like terraria 11:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) averted death (poisoned by an orcish arrow), on T:6227 11:56 https://terraria.fandom.com/wiki/King_Slime 11:57 The ultimate slime god is transparent and cannot be seen 11:58 Instead of being a normal monster you are transported into the slime which is its own level 11:59 No exit, constant environmental damage, kill all its important organelles to get out 12:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 10093 points, T:7176, killed by a magic missile 12:00 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:48060 12:25 slime branch 12:29 congrats vaderflag ! 12:29 oh congrats VaderFLAG 12:29 i missed it 12:29 Yes all the praise and glory to me, Moloch would want it that way 12:29 haha 12:30 infidel seems overwhelming to me, but i will try some day 12:30 seems like the role solves my never having enough PW problem ? 12:31 It's like the wizard in that way, after the quest you can cast a bunch 12:31 right 12:37 hmmm if i wish for eota, I can stack the reflection spell and wear alchemy smock when needed and in theory won't NEED dragonbane? 12:37 although i will try to get it from sacrifice if i do that 12:38 wearing reflection amulet currently, but would rather fly 12:38 ntm magic breathing and lifesaving in the endgame 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) made his first wish - "cursed greased fixed +2 bone gauntlets of power", on T:5764 12:43 i need to add a stop message for when the shimmering globe disappears if i do that (and geno black dragons just in case lol) 12:54 tinklebear: are you hallucinating on purpose again ? 13:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) had a silver slippery shield entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:52153 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:69508 13:00 ok at least i'm getting artifacts now 13:05 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful large dog, on T:12974 13:14 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1278 points, T:2514, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gold golem 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 111 points, T:225, killed by a scroll of earth 13:18 rebatela: yes, probably 13:20 tinklebear have you tried centaur knight yet? Jousting without pet! 13:20 mobileuser: abomination 13:20 FUN 13:20 smh 13:21 -lol 13:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible krm26's ghost, the former Magician, on T:14093 13:27 krm26_: You had magicbane! :D 13:28 You're welcome! 13:28 what killed him? 13:29 If I recall it is a properly enchanted Magicbane, too 13:29 I normally die to inattention 13:29 owlbear. 13:29 Or laziness, like being unwilling to rest 13:30 But be careful, I've also left an early bones with a rogue wooly mammoth in it 13:30 krm26_: Oof. 13:31 Hmm. Magicbane is cursed - not surprisingly. 13:31 did you wield it to find out? lol 13:31 The bones cursing mechanics aren't my fault 13:31 rebatela: Ha. :) I was... tempted... But there's an aligned altar right above. 13:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:36 krm26_: Speed boots! 13:39 you don't look at the dump log? damn you are more ethical than me... 13:39 less degenerate 13:40 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1634218855.evil.txt 13:40 * arahael ... clicks... 13:40 lol 13:40 Oh, that death is sad. 13:41 Yeah, as I said -- I litter the dungeon with bones like that 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1162 points, T:1158, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted piranha 13:47 krm26_: Me too, actually. 13:48 bones can be super fun... the really late game ones when you have to fight the spectre with a loaded bag of holding/WoW/full healings gets pretty crazy... 13:49 they put up a fight 13:50 found my own valley bones once and then someone else's last game. weird struggling to stay alive to your own spectre 13:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:55713 13:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:55714 13:50 plus they keep flying to places you can't reach and the last thing you want is for that boh to end up in some undiggable wall 13:51 I usually start being more attentive once I'm in the late early game so I don't leave very many well-kitted bones 13:51 Hah, I had a pseudodragon pet and a lava-walled shop in my last game -- my pet kept picking up stuff from the shop and incinerating it in the lava 13:51 That jerk 13:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 26353 points, T:15147, killed by a tiger 13:53 Crap. 13:54 Never even got to use the magicbane. ;( 13:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 216600 points, T:55957, killed by a giant centipede, while praying 13:55 awwwww 13:55 All that work I put in for you 13:55 !lastgame lacca 13:55 VaderFLAG: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1634500505.evil.html 13:57 those giant centipedes will throw you off 13:57 they hit HARD 13:57 i usually cast sleep immediately even when i'm kitted 13:59 actually that's what had killed that last valley bones i found 14:02 Time to get a few hours sleep. 14:02 Was a very good game, I'm definitely getting better at illithids. 14:02 Generally struggle the hardest now when I can't identify a damn thing. 14:11 I wish prayer while holding a cursed object with no other issues would reliably uncurse it for you 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Magician, on T:8047 14:16 so it goes 14:20 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1480 points, T:1794, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted woolly mammoth, while moving through the air 14:23 nice one, krm26_ 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5868 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Aphrodite, on T:8756 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:6174 14:36 So sorry tinklebear! I warned everyone 14:37 It is a decent bones if you can avoid the mammoth 14:37 I think there is a wand of polymorph in the bones you can zap the mammoth with even 14:41 not everyday you get to get wrecked by a woolly mammoth 14:41 it's a privilege, really 14:41 I was sad I wasn't paying attention with that character, that wooly mammoth was my pet pseudodragon and was wrecking everything for me 14:41 Fought Izchak to a standstill 14:42 lol 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Orc Fem Cha), 439 points, T:1605, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted werejackal 14:45 krm26 only dies when he's not paying attention ;) 14:45 I die plenty when I pay attention, I just almost never pay attention 14:46 lol fair enough. same 14:51 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3537 15:11 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 1052 points, T:1489, zombified by an elf zombie 15:12 Friendly monsters should show up as 5s with warning in sokoban :-) 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:3856 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:18498 15:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:19113 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) murdered Rat, his faithful horse, on T:8237 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4734 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:8261 15:37 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 822 points, T:1054, killed by a wand 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 459 points, T:716, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted mountain dwarf 15:47 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: gnight] 15:57 Why can't giants wear dragon scales? It's not like they're joined together or anything... 15:57 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:05 its because they eat too much ice cream and potato chips 16:05 sad really 16:05 Sad, a level 11 illithid wizard and level 2 spellbooks are too difficult for me to comprehend 16:06 whats your int? 16:06 I'm p. sure that's just the game warning you if there's any significant chance of failure 16:06 14 16:06 that's why 16:06 Not that you necessarily will fail 16:06 how the hell did you start with 14 int 16:06 That is a p. bad Ith Int score though, jesus 16:06 Don't blame me, it is your stupid race addition :-) 16:06 you're the illithid that was last in their class 16:07 should have been a priest instead but NO 16:07 Since you can't exercise int, which is LAME 16:07 zapping a wand of enlightenment should exercise int 16:07 YANI: eating any kind of fish has a chance to increase int 16:08 fish - brain food 16:08 get it? 16:08 Identifying an item through observation should exercise int 16:08 how do i see the best illithid inf games? i dont see a filter in the scoreboard 16:09 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ascended.evil.html 16:09 just look for Inf 16:09 damn 133 asc 16:10 8 inf asc 16:10 Not evil enough I guess! 16:10 i've failed you krm26 16:10 ooooh gratz VaderFLAG 16:10 the very first ith inf ascension 16:10 its hard to not want to be crowned as a demon 16:12 thats why its special 16:12 even the best so far 16:13 druid is gonna be cool too 16:13 and tortles 16:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 798 points, T:1078, zombified by a dwarf zombie 16:16 yup 16:16 i plan on starting in on next version after tnnt 16:17 start with new races, then druid role 16:17 that's gonna take some time 16:17 Gonna be able to ride the giant turtle? 16:17 can we get a melee version of infidel? please? pretty please? 16:17 * NetSysFire puppy eyes 16:17 lol 16:18 Troll would make a great player race 16:18 you can melee with infidel just fine 16:18 but skills restricted 16:18 also easteregg when you #chat to trolls when 16:18 esp if you crown as demon and find angelslayer 16:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Rat King, on T:12762 16:18 and 0 pieces of gold, after 67161 moves. 16:18 how VaderFLAG? 16:18 what skills do you miss NetSysFire> 16:19 i imagine tortle and drow will be the last races i add 16:19 and druid the last role 16:19 i think flail perhaps. but i dunno just complaing 16:19 ^ subject to change of course but that's the current plan 16:19 heh 16:19 that should be enough race/role 16:19 dont wanna go overboard with too many 16:20 NetHack is educational - just looked up 'tortle' and learnt that 'flat head syndrome' is a thing 16:20 i'll add tortle and amateurhour still wont play it 16:20 watch :) 16:21 the part i miss now that slex is gone is the insane variety of race/role combinations. demonic haxor gladiator was fun. even if the balance is shitty. 16:22 everything was so insanely random it was actually rather fun to replay 16:23 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:26 How did I have 0 gold? was that the question NetSysFire? 16:28 pretty normal to have 0 gold at ascension time? 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:22720 16:29 Wow everyone's out to get the rat king today 16:29 VaderFLAG: yes 16:30 Guy's just chilling in the filth minding his own business 16:30 As soon as I buy all protection I usually turn off $ in autopickup 16:30 Tortle? 16:30 Tortle! 16:30 \o/ tortle \o/ 16:30 oh hell ye! 16:30 absolutely add those 16:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23057 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:8526 16:37 omg I found a silver aklys of frost just sitting around in the mines 16:37 This run is DOOMED 16:39 :) 16:42 what was my aklys doing there 16:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) had a pair of buckled boots entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:7611 16:48 Weird...a magical cloak that isn't invis or MR and doesn't identify itself on use? 16:48 Does displacement not ID when you are invisible and can't see inv? That must be it 16:49 I'd play tortle that sounds dope af 16:50 Wtf is a tortle 16:51 I'm on a level with a 5x12 leprechaun hall and somwhere else on this level must be a boulder trap because I am constantly hearing these little jerks set it off. I hope there's a pile of their tiny squished corpses somewhere 16:51 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/7/72/Tortle-5e.png 16:52 So, intrinsic breathe water and can't wear armor or shirts? 16:52 Should be a race that can't wear gloves (and maybe rings :-) to balance out the armor deficit spectrum 16:52 they have 'natural armour' in 5e, which I guess would translate into nethack by gaining ac with xlvl or something like that idk 16:53 but breathing underwater would match well with another idea K2 had 16:54 ^ that 16:55 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had a spear entrusted to him by Mog, on T:9230 16:56 so giants start with a natural ac of 6 16:56 thick hide and all that 16:56 tortles would start with an even better natural ac I would think 16:57 they'd be slow though 16:57 Would absolutely main, I don't care what drawbacks they have 16:57 slower than a giant 16:57 would be p. logical anywway 16:57 rule of cool says tortle is best race 16:57 other than centaur knights of course 16:57 no one plays centaur knight anymore 16:57 its all played out 16:58 I'd totally play them 16:58 just have to finish my ongoing games first :P 17:00 4 ascs for centaur knight though, that's like half the total infidel ascs in way less time 17:00 a success story 17:01 no one plays hobbit convict anymore, smh 17:01 heh 17:01 see you all in a bit 17:01 o/ 17:02 druid hobbit will be hobbits' final form 17:06 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 17:07 Should be a pangolin-based race that can turn into a boulder and roll really fast 17:07 Autokills/eats insects 17:08 Insect-only-engulfer :-) 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had a long sword entrusted to him by Mog, on T:9714 17:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:13405 17:28 Can disenchanters remove negative enchantments? 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) destroyed the invisible krm26's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:11358 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) destroyed NetSysFire's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:11399 17:33 No 17:33 +0 is the floor for disenchanting 17:33 to my recollection 17:40 correct. cancel wand if ya want to remove negative 17:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:12400 18:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:70012 18:19 getting gloser... 18:24 krm26_: By contrast, my usual reason I die is I go down too fast, too quickly, and get overwhelmed. And also by playing tired. :) 18:25 playing tired is a big problem for me too 18:26 i've learned to take breaks even when i'm kicking ass 18:27 ehhh fuggit i'm gonna wish for the eye and die to neferet. maybe she wont come ? 18:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:70719 18:34 two wishes left... do i try for dragonbane? 18:34 i reealllly want it but i guess i will do the altar work 18:34 Wish for a figurine of a woodchuck, for good luck 18:35 i like the new wish change.. i don'tthink it's so much a buff, just a huge change of strategy for people who arti-wish 18:35 it used to be that if you played carefully and got lucky you were guaranteed those 2 wishes, but i think i prefer the new way 18:38 balrog in the valley had angelslayer 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:70885 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:70895 18:52 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:71691 18:55 oh sweet i got 4 woollys 18:56 Yay. 18:56 i need to remember to grab that polished barding i got earlier 18:57 gonna be another long game. 71k turns and i just entered gehennom? lol i'm so slow 18:57 (turnwise at least) 18:58 if i'd known neferet wasn't going to come, i'd have wish for the eye like 60k turns ago first wish and my turns would be in half 18:58 it's all from resting to regain PW 19:00 at least i remembered to put the alchemy smock on for kathryn.. i alwys seem to die to her some dumb way 19:01 scratch that- 5 wooly's! w00t 19:02 oh man... this is a woolly kingdom this go. i feel like i'm on astral 19:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3052 19:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:72013 19:06 got the marker!! yes !! 19:14 👏 19:17 i'm gonna leave the woollys here and come back i think.. or maybe i'll ride one 19:18 i have a ton of food this time from killing knight pc's 19:18 that's the biggest problem i always forget to feed them 19:18 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2162 points, T:3885, killed by a poisonous corpse 19:20 I just kick trees constantly if I need to feed a herby steed 19:20 Lucked out from having a special room full of the shit 19:20 yeah much more trees in evil it seems 19:20 more eucalytpus in general. can really be useful for the whistle trick 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed tinklebear's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:1905 19:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 215 points, T:702, killed by a boiling potion 19:28 Well, that was just bad luck 19:57 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5599 points, T:5448, killed by a leocrotta 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 20:04 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:05 tamed the pegasus so one of the 7 woollys doesn't kill it... maybe i should ride it? 20:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:16485 20:16 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3002 20:17 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8114 20:17 -!- Guest8114 has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 20:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:33 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 20:39 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 silver dragonscale mail", on T:4028 21:07 -!- Umbire is now known as Umbire2 21:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19167 21:24 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) had a dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:9992 21:24 -!- Umbire2 is now known as group 21:24 -!- group is now known as Umbire2 21:37 hey rebatela sounds like you're making progress! 21:37 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 23132 points, T:10904, killed by an owlbear 21:46 bouquet: what happened with your game? i was watching you on the run and then fell asleep? 21:49 i'm having a very LONG game, but that's ok. only downside is you forget spells. i have a marker now tho so i don't really care. gonna farm for dragonbane i think 21:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Gia Fem Una) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:22598 21:49 I'm 84k turns in and finally going for rodney 21:49 oh nice 21:50 my game crashed so "the man" had to restore from a 3 hour old save. 21:50 hehe 21:50 well, i'm glad i didnt' stay up for the crash i guess 21:50 fortunately, I got to redo my murder of the quest leader and regain favor with Anhur. 21:50 i was literally passing out watching you play 21:51 yeah i had to redo icequeen level when it crashed 21:51 I'm just going to get rodney and quit for the night. I have a busy week so not much time to focus. 21:51 I'm on pacific time so there's very few people up to keep me company in irc 21:51 haha i've always watched you play going way back to nao days. one of my favorite players 21:52 * rebatela crushes on bouquet 21:52 good luck 21:53 I'm honored. 21:53 I never considered myself much of player. I like to test edgecases in new variants, though. That's always entertaining. 21:54 yeah but you'd do all the crazy extinctionist stuff which is fun to watch 21:54 you should try it! It's like zen, but the opposite. 21:54 i like playing long games too, so i dig it 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:84974 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:84976 21:56 go go 21:56 switching rooms. brb 21:56 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:85236 22:02 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 22:02 my shambling horror changed into something that doesn't have any damage and just wanders around. 22:05 yeah they change 22:05 if you hit /? shambling horror it will give you the description of what they actually are 22:06 it seems to change sometimes. i dunno if you got bones? 22:09 people have complained about it, but supposedly it's the way it's suppsoed to be. sometimes it works out in your favor 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the giant high priestess of Moloch, on T:85634 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:85743 22:17 definitely worked in my favor this time. 22:17 that's enough for today, though. I get stupid when I play late so I'm going to call it quits tonight. 22:17 hopefully I can wrap it up this week. 22:17 night 22:17 night 22:18 night 22:21 Ooh! I think this is my first-ever k2 bones 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed k2's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:27331 22:22 Special occasion, eh? 22:22 Score bonus for ascending with the dev's bones :B 22:22 Also, trying to remember, can you leave a shop while mounted in vanilla? 22:22 Unfortunately not a very exciting bones 22:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:29575 22:45 The gods are so f'ing stupid 22:45 I'd prefer a food ration 22:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) had a slippery cloak entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:22454 22:50 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a magical ironshod staff entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:29983 22:55 Oh f you Anhur 22:57 lol 22:59 All I want is some +5 random piece of shit armor 22:59 Which they love to give me when I'm weaponless 23:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3254 23:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una) had a pair of mud boots entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:23495 23:59 -!- Umbire2 is now known as Umbire