00:27 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had a magical steel dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:29927 00:36 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (locusts), on T:30249 02:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:45 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:11 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:19 -!- Tangles has quit [*.net *.split] 03:19 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [*.net *.split] 03:19 -!- K2 has quit [*.net *.split] 03:24 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 03:30 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 03:30 -!- K2 has joined #evilhack 03:30 -!- mode/#evilhack [+o K2] by mercury.libera.chat 05:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Anu, on T:6498 05:59 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 234 points, T:618, killed by a gas cloud 06:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4 points, T:53, killed by a cadaver 06:43 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2614 points, T:3393, killed by a poisonous corpse 07:16 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:34 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 07:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2983 points, T:4771, killed by a gnoll 08:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5896 points, T:6241, killed by a wolf 08:30 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 340 points, T:1580, killed by an arrow 08:49 OMG I killed 1 peaceful and immediately went from "never abused" to "seriously abused" alignment 08:50 ^ K2 amateurhour 08:50 it doesn't take a lot 08:59 what peaceful was it? 09:00 like priests and stuff has a big penalty of 15 or something like that 09:01 and -9 for coaligned monsters apparently, hrmm 09:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Law) had a steel banded mail entrusted to her by Anu, on T:10511 09:07 1 single hobbit 09:09 if generated peaceful it does -9 minimum, that's pretty nuts 09:09 for coaligned monsters 09:09 I will therefore not be worthy to keep my quest artifact =D 09:10 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Alignment_record#Alignment_gains_from_killing_monsters 09:10 that's so disproportionate haha 09:11 I was hoping angering it first with a ranged attack wouldn't cost alignment 09:11 but it was dead immediately :-( 09:11 it wouldn't have made much difference 09:12 sounds like the penalty is decided at generation time :/ 09:12 ah ok... 09:33 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:36 I got an alignment penalty for killing a mind-flayer in the Dark One's dungeon - presumably because it used to be a peaceful prisoner 09:36 Does this mean that killing a zombified peaceful would also result in a penalty? 09:40 interesting question! 09:41 I'm not sure 09:42 if that's the case it could be an explanation for mysterious alignment abuse 09:42 penalty is decided at generation time.... 09:42 hmmm 09:49 hmm 09:50 hm 09:50 mon.c:3819 09:53 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/mon.c#L3819 09:54 it says malign is modified based on u.ualign.type, which I guess means basically "mtmp->malign gets set to the penalty you should get for killing this monster"? when does that happen though? 09:54 that's what caused killing quest leaders (from wishing for quest artifacts) to cause a huge penalty 09:54 I think it's set_malign in makemon 09:55 oh yeah malign is different from maligntyp 09:55 yeah 09:57 this does seem like it is probably the cause of Graznop's issue 09:57 i don't see set_malign in newcham 09:58 which makes sense, since it would be weird for the penalty for killing a chameleon to constantly change 09:58 maybe add set_malign to become_flayer to account for this case? 10:00 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00 well the penalty seems kinda large generally anyway 10:01 like maybe adjusting alignment for killing peaceful monsters shouldn't nuke your alignment that much anyway 10:07 it should 10:08 its same value as it is in vanilla nethack 10:08 well, it's a totally different system 10:08 in vanilla nethack it's balanced out by killing hostile monsters 10:08 in evilhack it's your permanent record :) 10:09 I'm curious about zombies of formerly peaceful monsters 10:09 there is no alignment 'balance' in vanilla. there's virtually zero repercussion for dinging your alignment 10:09 Just checked - killing formerly peaceful gnomes after zombification doesn't affect alignment in wizard mode 10:09 ah 10:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3057 points, T:3223, killed by an elven arrow 10:09 bang goes another theory 10:09 SCIENCE 10:09 Graznop yeah it shouldnt, zombies are hostile 10:10 So the hostile mind flayers in the wizard quest are a bug? 10:10 showing 'seriously' abused alignment, you still have good odds of the QL not asking for the QA 10:11 Graznop no you shouldnt have gotten dinged for killing a hostile 10:11 you positive you did? 10:11 Yes. 10:11 wizmode time 10:12 Was watching carefully 10:12 k2 did you see the discussion 10:12 become_flayer is missing a set_malign call 10:12 i skimmed backscroll 10:12 oh i see 10:12 prisioner becomes flayer 10:12 whenever you set 'mpeaceful = 0' you also have to call set_malign to remove the penalty for killing them 10:12 that's how it seems at least 10:12 The other time my alignment got abused was at the castle, presumably by spamming magic missile indiscriminately 10:13 so if that happens anywhere else it could be another source of mystery alignment abuse 10:13 Graznop yeah that sounds legit, there are typically peacefuls in the castle big room 10:13 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:14 Yes, that's what I thought. 10:15 qt yup 10:15 dammit... what did I say about finding bugs on monday? 10:15 haha 10:16 another one that seems to anger a monster but not call set_malign is failed pickpocketing 10:16 is there really not an 'anger_mon' function which combines 'mtmp->mpeaceful = 0; set_malign(mtmp);' and anything else that needs doing 10:17 qt you have K2's variant, follow ur dreams 10:17 heh 10:17 lol 10:17 i am but a humble servant 10:17 if something happens to me, I am willing control of the evilhack repo to qt 10:18 muhahaha 10:18 i'm like one of those 'evil vizier' characters who is very obsequious but also constantly manipulating the king 10:20 Iznogoud! 10:20 oh Hecubus? 10:21 'yes master' 10:21 lol 10:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1213 points, T:2614, killed by a copper arrow 10:22 why didnt the shk let me into the shop? i wore a oilskin cloak 10:22 slippery customer 10:23 i wonder if its the iron ball 10:24 if sender == 'K2' and msg.find('Hecubus?') != -1: send('yes master?') 10:24 ^ add this to bot 10:24 oh the striped shirt NetSysFire 10:24 yes but its covered by a cloak 10:24 i think a cloak doesn't cover your shirt, only body armor? 10:24 it says so in the wiki that it needs to be covered 10:25 you can still read your shirt under a cloak... 10:25 "The shirt prevents entry into any shop while worn and visible (not covered by a cloak or robe)." 10:25 maybe the 'reading shirts' rules don't apply here but they are my only area of expertise ok 10:25 perhaps the wiki entry is wrong 10:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 89 points, T:522, killed by a bear trap 10:25 whoops 10:25 or perhaps they saw you earlier with the shirt? 10:25 rip... 10:26 actually a cloak should cover it 10:26 "even if later the shirt is removed or covered" 10:26 but yeah it looks like if you ever try to enter a shop visibly wearing it you get permanently banned 10:27 oh 10:27 so you should just see a shop then walk away? 10:27 yup 10:27 even if the shk sees you, weird 10:27 testing this in wizmode 10:27 put on a cloak, ebtered shop just fine 10:27 btw K2 did you see that program in disorder thing from me earlier? 10:27 no 10:27 *entered 10:28 yeah if they've seen you wearing the shirt, that's it. covering up after the fact wont help 10:28 see #hardfought, i got that when i ate an apparently diseased dwarf corpse and it resurrected when i was eating it 10:28 something about nutrition 10:28 ok 10:29 there's so much traffic in #hardfought, any evilhack bugs should be posted here 10:29 was it 'partially eaten food more nutritious than untouched food' 10:29 i see it 10:29 You resume your meal. partly eaten food (249) more nutritious than untouched food (150) Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.) The bite-covered dwarf zombie rises from the dead! 10:29 yes 10:29 i knew it 10:30 alright, any future bugs will go in here 10:31 k2 i think this is a bug that was fixed in vanilla 10:31 i think so 10:31 recently 10:31 see the difference between evilhack and vanilla set_corpsenm 10:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Law) had a pair of walking shoes entrusted to her by Anu, on T:11094 10:31 NetSysFire thanks for the bug reporting 10:31 np 10:32 and also zombify_mon use of set_corpsenm vs direct corpsenm assignment 10:32 even though its a monday 10:32 hah 10:32 :P 10:32 "no reporting bugs on monday" 10:32 why does an illithid convict start without psionic wave? 10:33 yikes, champions have base level 12 and difficulty only 6? 10:33 i complained about that earlier 10:33 K2 said its in the spirit of tomsods idea 10:33 so wontfix 10:33 @e?kobold zombie 10:33 kobold zombie (Z) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 2 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d4 claw drain con, 1d2 bite drain int | Alignment: -3 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, stalker 10:34 you dont get any nutrition from old/tainted corpses right 10:34 I hope I just got unlucky and that they don't all roll up with 2-handed swords 10:34 NetSysFire its not broken :) 10:35 illithid always start with psionic wave. its their ability 10:35 but convict doesnt 10:35 its just tied in with casting spells so it uses power 10:35 not illithid convict 10:35 hahaha 10:35 WAT?? 10:36 i would understand if they dont get a spellbook of psionic wave but you dont even have it learned from start 10:36 apparently nobody played illithid convict before me 10:36 * K2 sighs 10:36 hello monday 10:36 it seems like 'if (Race_if(PM_ILLITHID)) ini_inv(Psionics);' is just missing from case PM_CONVICT in u_init 10:36 !booze K2 10:36 * Hecubus_ tosses K2 a schooner of moonshine, replicated by Pinobot at 169 degrees Fahrenheit. 10:37 i just tested the shk thing, if you open the door, see the shk but close the door immediately it doesnt get you banned 10:37 yeah i think you have to try to enter the shop 10:37 yup 10:37 qt yeah i seeit (illithid convict) 10:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 603 points, T:1359, killed by an orc zombie 10:38 damn 10:38 that one is easy at least 10:39 VaderFLAG champions always have a 2-handed sword or a battle-axe 10:39 ugh 10:40 I don't have the HP for that nonsense! 10:40 !whereis VaderFLAG 10:40 NetSysFire: [hdf-us] VaderFLAG [evil]: (Inf Ith Fem Una) T:4937 The Dungeons of Doom level: 8 (with Amulet) 10:40 it's one the main early infidel challenges 10:40 lets annoy K2 until he ups the difficulty of champions 10:40 need to have a strat ready early 10:40 What's the god-mollifying strategy, dive until you find an altar and hope to get lucky on it? 10:41 If I find a lawful or neutral altar, I usually use same race sac 10:41 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/Job0N 10:41 [EvilHack] k21971 f4ecdd4 - Fix: Illithids playing Convict role did not have psionic wave. 10:41 EASY 10:41 BABY 10:41 hard if you are an infidel 10:41 HACK 10:41 illithid convict now easier what is this?!?! 10:41 i usually dive until the oracle and hope i get lucky with mines end 10:41 or if you're lucky you'll get orctown 10:41 lol amateurhour you jealous 10:42 or orc temple 10:42 yeah orctown is good for illithids 10:42 yeah the mines end orc temple is like xmas for an infidel 10:42 but the quest always has a moloch altar 10:42 Why for illithids specifically? 10:42 because unaligned altar 10:42 no priest 10:42 probably meant infidels 10:42 oh 10:42 yeah 10:42 sadly my minetown has a chameleon which is currently a vampire mage near the stairs 10:43 I guess it is kinda good for illithids because hard to get a mind flayer corpse early for same rac sac 10:43 also yes 10:43 kinda bad you mean? 10:43 good to get orctown, altar already unaligned 10:43 ah ok :-) 10:44 Inf Ith yeah... 10:44 that's the most difficult one 10:45 I had such a good start w/ gloves of power then a rust monster hit me with 2x rust 2x rust to delete them while I was trying to disrobe them 10:45 rip 10:45 the partly eaten bit - https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/c0c7190f74a328fe2d2a6ab169bcd1630bf114c2 10:45 there's also a follow up commit for wished for food 10:46 woooo K2 is rocking on a monday 10:46 fixing bug reports within an hour 10:46 those were my PRs that patr fixed K2 10:47 i see 10:47 qt == devteam? 10:47 i miss patr fixing my pull requests 10:47 devteam == qt?? 10:47 finkle IS einhorn! 10:48 !8ball qt == devteam? 10:48 NetSysFire: Outlook not so good 10:48 !8ball devteam == qt? 10:48 NetSysFire: Reply hazy try again 10:48 Hecubus is in on that 10:48 qt teach me your devteam whispering secrets, my PRs have a 100% ignore rate 10:52 "fixing" 10:54 amateurhour: why do you think qt has the inside scoop? how long did they ignore readable hawaiian shirts? 10:55 zorkmids exchanged hands 10:55 * K2 gasps 10:55 the PatR Papers 10:55 that reminds me, which variant has the latest hawaiian commits? 10:56 and/or the greatest number of thim 10:56 xnh has kraken shirts, you can't beat that 10:56 huh, that's a more unusual typo 10:56 i gotta get splice up to hawaiian date 10:56 be careful of timezones 10:59 the only hawaiian shirt relevant commits i can think of are the one adding them and the ukulele an() fix 11:00 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/JobKi 11:00 [EvilHack] k21971 000564b - Fix: warning when eating corpse. 11:01 patr really did improve that pr I think, it made sense to put the adjustment in set_corpsenm 11:08 You hear a ripping sound. You hear a slurping sound. someone's having fun in the mines 11:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a woodchuck, on T:6653 11:15 qt - not sure set_malign() should be called when pickpocketing a peaceful and they notice and become angry 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Fem Una), 9992 points, T:6833, zombified by an elf zombie 11:16 oh, when you die from illness while polymorphed you don't change back I see 11:16 That's good to know 11:16 K2: why not? 11:16 Probably shouldn't have bum rushed that zombie to get back to illithid form! 11:16 example - pickpocketing peaceful c-aligned priest 11:16 *co 11:17 they get angry, you should still be dinged alignment wise if you kill them 11:17 i've fixed the become_flayer() bit, looking at pickpocketing 11:19 same thing for guardians 11:19 and the watch 11:21 yeah I guess that's right 11:22 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/Job5Y 11:22 [EvilHack] k21971 531fb11 - Fix: alignment hit when killing a mind flayer that started out as a peaceful monster and was transformed by a mind flayer larva. 11:22 for some reason I thought there was a rule like "if you kill a peaceful monster in one hit, you will get an alignment penalty, but if you make them angry first you won't" 11:23 i could have sworn I have heard people say that before... but it doesn't seem to be the case, at least not consistently 11:23 there is a rule like that 11:23 it's on top of the malign thing I think 11:23 oh okay, so you still get an alignment penalty but you miss out on an additional penalty if you anger them first 11:23 for some reason i keep typing 'penaltry' 11:23 well you only get that malign alignment penalty if the monster was generated peaceful 11:24 you could use taming or whatever to make a hostile monster peaceful then attack I guess 11:24 yeah 11:24 this alignment thing is kinda bs really lol 11:25 killing a peaceful gnome is 9x the penalty of violating vegetarianism on a monk 11:25 as it should be? 11:26 killing peaceful more bad vs eating meat? 11:26 seems disproportionate when 9 is a decent chance of having to commit quest leader unliving 11:27 not really 11:27 plenty of ways to accidentally make a monster hostile, it's not murder once they start hitting you, so why is there more alignment loss from that 11:27 odds are x out of 50 11:27 a ingle hit of 9 points isnt much 11:27 it's a 20% chance of giving up the QA if a peaceful monster falls into your pit and attacks you and you kill it 11:27 *single 11:27 like what am I gonna do, remember they were once peaceful to me and stop? 11:28 K2 when do we get the bug fixes on hardfought? i dont want to sound impatient but i want to take advantage of easy baby hack 11:28 This child I kidnapped keeps punching me, what am I supposed to do, not strangle it? 11:28 soon 11:28 NetSysFire: try a non-monday 11:28 hah 11:28 haha, with hyperbole you can make either case seem ridiculous 11:29 it will be non-monday sooner on hdf-au 11:29 so they will get the patch first 11:29 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Conduct#Nudist that should "break" the cursed striped shirt start 11:29 the Y Rule: don't report/fix bugs on days that end in y 11:29 it's already tuesday in aus qt 11:29 NetSysFire: actually yeah how does convict interact with nudist 11:29 i dont know 11:29 you could probably use that to cheat 11:29 amateurhour: oh i logged on to hdf-au and looked at server time and it still said monday 11:30 "cheat" 11:30 either you can be unserious about the conduct and get rid of an annoying piece of gear, or you can't play convict nudist 11:30 the game can't tell if you actually intend to play nudist 11:31 yeah 11:31 but the cursed striped shirt is *intended* to be a minor challenge 11:31 since it restricts shops 11:32 servers updated 11:32 K2 has intrinsic speed, speed boots, a helm of speed and just drank a potion of speed 11:32 thanks for updating 11:33 o/ 11:33 i'm like a ninja, but slower 11:34 i mean in prison they basically force a uniform on you, so maybe do something with the iron ball instead? 11:34 make it heavier or idk 11:35 just some random ideas 11:35 Shopkeepers force you to leave your iron ball outside? So limited to items close to door? 11:36 you could circumvent this by throwing the iron ball 11:37 or you cant enter a shop while being punished as a convict 11:38 i mean since getting a cloak is pretty easy, maybe the iron ball is covered in bright orange paint which needs to be washed off by e.g dipping the ball in a fountain? 11:39 you could also jury rig something like "striped shirt worn at game start does not count against nudist, but putting one on or enchanting it breaks nudist" but that's kind of a stretch 11:42 You remove your striped shirt. You finally feel free. You vow never to be constrained by clothes again. 11:44 nice idea 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1967 points, T:2705, killed by a rabid dog 11:48 how do i reorder spells? i want psionic wave to be c. muscle memory 12:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1988 points, T:4164, killed by a rothe 12:02 + 12:02 NetSysFire: it won't work unless you know 3 spells though 12:02 damn 12:02 but i knew 3 spells 12:03 you can only reorder them, not reassign letters as you like 12:03 but yeah '+' then press the the two letters you want to swap 12:04 i always use the 'sort spells' thing to keep them organized by school :) 12:13 do you have favorite letters for particular spells? Like, 'e' is always magic missile for me. 12:23 c is for psionic wave because i played so much ith inf 13:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an air elemental), on T:15473 13:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 12083 points, T:15485, killed by an air elemental 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 437 points, T:1281, killed by a wand 13:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 3012 points, T:4477, killed by a piranha 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed VaderFLAG's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:3035 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3164 13:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 108 points, T:672, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 13:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 117 points, T:471, killed by a dart 13:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 30 points, T:78, killed by a kobold, while sleeping 13:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 66 points, T:97, killed by a sewer rat 13:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (soldier ants), on T:1065 13:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 241 points, T:1334, killed by an anti-magic implosion 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed the invisible NetSysFire's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:4011 13:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 2746 points, T:2947, killed by an Uruk-hai 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Inf Ith Fem Una), 9066 points, T:4803, killed by a white unicorn 14:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) had a pair of riding gloves entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:1004 14:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1444 points, T:2830, killed by a piranha 14:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 123 points, T:178, killed by a flint stone 14:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 703 points, T:1365, killed by a straw golem, while fainted from lack of food 14:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of gauntlets of protection, on T:12883 14:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 176 points, T:766, killed by a guard 14:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 303 points, T:965, killed by an iguana 14:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 58 points, T:166, crunched in the head by an iron ball 14:30 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 14:34 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1238 points, T:2733, killed by a wererat, while sleeping 14:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Graznop's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:1534 14:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 3045 points, T:2674, killed by a piranha 14:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 48 points, T:179, killed by a falling rock 15:12 amateurhour: fourk went through this same cycle a few years ago 15:12 jonadab noticed that the alignment penalties are completely nothin, so he made them much harsher 15:12 but then it turns out the underlying "morality" system is completely bogus, but no one noticed cuz the penalties were ignorable 15:14 once you eat dirt for every little "you caitiff!", playing music in minetown, etc, the non-penalties start seeming more fine 15:14 i think it makes perfect sense: if you dig a hole in the yard and your neighbor twists her ankle and starts yelling at you, you are still not justified in whacking her head off with a battleaxe 15:15 i think FH had a brief moment of intense alignment penalties, but fiq is a fast fixer 15:15 in texas you are 15:15 it's not yelling, she's atcha with an axe of her own 15:16 she's axing you why you dug that hole 15:19 evilhack's alignment abuse bit isnt 'intense', not anywhere close like fourk 15:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3522 15:24 qt: but it's more like you dig a hole and your neighbor falls in it and is thenceforth consumed with unending bloodlust, no greater goal than to see you dead by their hand 15:25 it's nice that there's always the out of axeing the QL 15:30 fiqhack still has pretty whack alignment stuff though, if you do any abuse at all you get set to 0 15:31 I usually play pretty piously and never lose alignment, but I accidentally hit a peaceful mon in the castle and lost about 91 alignment from that single thing 15:31 lol rip 15:31 did you have /oCM? 15:31 I had wrinkles in my forehead and a frown on my face 15:31 * spicyCebolla pours out a few warm ones for amateurhour 15:32 ... from a baga trix 15:32 because it's a 'conduct' in fiqhack I saved there and stopped playing, haha 15:32 rip rip 15:33 I know it's silly to get tilted by that 15:34 it's understandable! 15:34 i've had a fiqhack game parked for about 4 years because (for the second time that game) i accidentally evaporated one of my items 15:35 ouch 15:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:1911 15:38 legacy double-oprop items that can't be generated anymore. or are much harder to generate now? 15:38 collector's items :D 15:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 7028 points, T:6015, killed by a pony 15:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 150 points, T:794, killed by a grid bug 16:04 heh, water troll in the mines 16:05 I thought those didn't appear randomly? 16:05 yevili: they always revive if they're standing in water/sludge/filth/swamp 16:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14239 16:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:16 wow a lawful character who kills a single peaceful tengu has a less than 50% chance of keeping the QA 16:18 a chaotic character who kills one peaceful elven wizard only has a 15% chance of keeping the QA 16:19 deserved, murder is wrong 16:20 sorry, my mistake, it's a 30% chance -- 15 / 50 16:32