00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1950 points, T:2771, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted tengu 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Orc Mal Una), 512 points, T:970, killed by a bolt of lightning 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 1220 points, T:2267, poisoned by a bone crossbow bolt 01:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6424 points, T:11009, killed by an exploding wand 01:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2090 01:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5514 points, T:4547, poisoned by an orcish arrow 02:25 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4188 points, T:1803, poisoned by a gray fungus 02:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:05 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 778 points, T:1270, killed by a piranha 03:05 Too early in the mines. 03:31 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1736 03:58 Hmm. Done minetown. Got a magic lamp, and *wooden* GoP. 03:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3745 04:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 200 points, T:3806, killed by an enormous rat, while praying 04:11 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (erbium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 04:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:23 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 04:23 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3157 04:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Mon Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful housecat, on T:3241 04:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Mon Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a housecat corpse, on T:3243 04:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "+1000 Dragonbane", on T:3252 04:51 * arahael shakes his head at Mosh. 04:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4406 points, T:3410, killed by a piranha 05:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 18245 points, T:8409, killed by a leocrotta 05:42 Darn. 05:43 Not sure why I keep dying in soko like that. This time I *almost* got away from the leocrotta. Dug down. Forgot I was flying, though, and didn't have the time to actually go down the hole I just dug. :( 05:55 F 05:55 ...wait, I thought you only gained flight at like 05:55 was it XL 10 05:55 or 12... 05:58 * Graznop takes note. /oDigging not as good an escape item whilst flying 06:00 Umbire: Unless you ride your pet psueodragon. 06:02 that'd dp ot 06:02 do it* 06:18 I actually tried to run away first, but a psuedodragon mount isn't fast enough to escape a leocotta. 06:20 Natch 06:24 > You see here a magical lamp. 06:24 dlvl 1./ 06:24 Literally the second room I walk into. 06:24 And it's not cursed. 06:26 Time to dai 06:26 :D 06:26 (pls no dai) 06:31 Heh. 06:31 Until I can bless it, or at least confirm it's blessed, it's staying as a permanent light source. 06:32 ... Found a co-aligned altar on dlvl 2... 06:32 Now I just need a bottle of water... 07:51 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:58267 08:32 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 525 points, T:2459, killed by a gnome lord 09:05 is it a big deal if i kill charon by accident? 09:05 magic missiled a kraken and it bounced 09:07 Wouldn't know sadly 09:10 no 09:10 You're chaotic, no real impact 09:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:61581 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Law) had a splint mail entrusted to her by Anu, on T:41750 09:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:61627 09:23 god i hate not finding spbk of identify... Wasting sooo many scrolls that coud be turned into something better 09:24 Don't you have a bunch of extra wishes to blow on things like spellbooks? 09:24 I always seem to find it way too late 09:24 not really 09:25 dungeon sucked. i didn't get any wishes until then. my own wand was 0:1.. It's really as if I got an early wish and a 0:3 castle wand 09:25 i thought about wishing for it, but it's too late now. everythin else is id'd 09:25 only spelbook i usually wish for is poly 09:26 (in evil at least.. vanilla yeah sure ) 09:26 but if i can at least id it by polypiling I can write it 09:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Law) had a steel broad bearded axe entrusted to her by Anu, on T:42930 09:28 i AM tempted to wish for it, but i know i'll i'd it polypiling as soon as i do and i just wished for a marker so i could write. I definitely don't have a "bunch" of extra wishes though (although I'm talking to the guy who just ascended wishless lol) 09:28 hehe 09:28 All wishes are extra wishes! 09:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:62049 09:32 2 wishes left 09:35 ooo if I wield staff of war (sucks it's ironshod) i can sorta cast FoD (26% fail but that should go down if i find a way to level up ) 09:35 NOOO! 09:36 > The air elemental turns into a red dragon! 09:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8313 points, T:7619, killed by a chameleon imitating a red dragon 09:37 I always die in soko, these days! 09:37 Always! 09:38 chameleons suck 09:39 Aw piss 09:40 i should really do quest. i keep forgetting i'm not wearing eyes, and i'm so used to having them for beholders 09:40 kaen was wearing magic resistance so i gotta go back 09:41 Sleep hits through player MR if I recall but does he have the intrinsic now? 09:41 @e?Master Kaen 09:41 Master Kaen (@) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 31 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 10 | Generates: unique | AC: -10 | Attacks: 16d2 claw physical, 1d4 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast clerical, 16d2 claw knockback | Alignment: -20 | Flags: herbivore, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 09:41 oh nope 09:41 Finger of death could still fuck him up some, probably 09:42 Well, I'm off to bed. It's nearly 1am here, afterall. Take care rebatela! Don't die to Kaen! 09:42 night! 09:42 night 09:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:63004 09:47 this is such a weird game... like i'm short on water!? 09:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:63021 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:83800 09:50 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:83816 09:51 heh. just found TWO spbks of identify in the very last chest in votd 09:51 63k turns after id'ing everything else in the game of coruse 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:83825 09:56 go go 09:57 i have 2 potions of holy water. how does that even happen? 10:02 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) genocided black dragons, on T:63524 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed the human high priestess of Moloch, on T:84016 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:84020 10:05 nice vaderflag 10:06 I've gotten lucky with lack of amulet teleporting in the sanctum lately 10:06 Good luck on the way up! 10:08 When the high priest is killed and drops the Amulet, it can teleport away? 10:10 yes, it can teleport away anytime it is dropped 10:10 can it teleport out of the wizards tower when it's dropped? any gehennom skips from it? 10:11 I think someone tested that and it didn't work 10:11 teleporting with wand of tele doesn't work in 3.6+ 10:13 I knew it teleported if you dropped it but didn't realise it did when someone else dropped it. Good to know - thx 10:20 blessing the amulet makes it less likely that it teleports 10:20 yup. its BUC status determines the odds of it teleporting away when dropped 10:20 That's good to know 10:20 pays to bless it 10:20 in case someone steals it, yes 10:21 Who would be so foolish as to let that happen 10:21 :b 10:21 *everyone* 10:22 one time someone stole the imbued idol and I couldn't cast any spells anymore 10:22 that reminds me, is it "blood magic" rules for infidel now? 10:23 yes 10:23 nice 10:24 hey qt so you're aware of it: 10:24 [18:21] my pet basilisk stoned the only aligned priest around. Do you think stone-to-flesh will restore him to a friendly disposition? 10:24 [18:23] huh, he turned into a human zombie instead. He was a giant before. 10:24 what le heck 10:24 ikr? 10:26 hmm that's a vanilla thing 10:26 stone-to-flesh an aligned cleric will create a human zombie instead 10:27 so i guess the 'correct' fix is to just apply the right race to the resulting zombie? 10:27 correct fix is to complain to patr and wait for vanilla fix and inherit it in 3.7 merge :^) 10:28 the 0-code solution 10:30 lol 10:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:30 what's the big deal about casting to stf on a dead priest to create a zombie anyway? Is there something to do with it ? 10:33 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:43 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:85391 10:46 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:85677 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed the saddled Black Horse, on T:85678 10:56 I think the problem is that you expect it to result in a priest not a zombie 10:58 could it be intentional to prevent you extincting priests? 10:58 what would sanctum and astral look like if you did that? 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:85725 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:85726 11:00 yeah there's probably a good reason it becomes a zombie, but it's not intuitive at all 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 5270067 points, T:85751, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/VaderFLAG/evilhack/dumplog/1633026781.evil.html 11:02 Congrats! 11:02 woo nice VaderFLAG 11:04 gratz!! 11:05 I meleed an antimatter vortex while engulfed by it accidentally :| 11:06 :D 11:06 what did you lose? 11:10 Well I gained some extra blood pressure when stormbringer started vibrating 11:12 ah, congrats VaderFLAG :-) 11:12 lol 11:34 Congrats VaderFLAG! 11:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8594 points, T:4121, killed by a vampire bat 11:37 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:37 your dumplog reminds me to check increase damage material (maybe i can eat a few...) 11:43 damn, vaderflag: wishless, genoless, polyless again!! that's awesome man! congrats again ! 11:43 serious respect 11:45 I love +damage rings so much 11:45 Right after I got one to +4 that game it was canceled :/ 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 1799 points, T:2078, killed by a bolt of cold 11:55 yeah one time i was able to swallow (and have pass the blood-brain barrier) two +4's, so i got the +8 w/out taking a ring slot 11:56 i didn't even realize you could get intrinsic increase damage 11:57 well, in vanilla you can at least. It doesn't always work so it takes a bunch of rings 11:58 i think you can eat those guarding amulets too (although i've never tried). But amulets are even smaller chance of working iirc 11:59 but with AC there's only so much diving protection you can get before the odds really go down i think (as it is with purchasing it) 11:59 divine8 11:59 divine* 12:06 the eating rings/amulets for their powers is untouched in evilhack, so however it works in vanilla, works here 12:07 YANI: eating cursed rings/amulet gives the opposite effect 12:08 Thanks. Yeah, I feel like i've done it in evil. Just didn't remember and didn't want to give wrong info 12:09 The rings are often not edible so i usually forget to check 12:10 also self-poly can really screw up your stats so sometimes it's not worth it depending 12:10 i'm on pace to have like a 200k turn count game so anything goes ! 12:35 inc damage is tiger eye so scratch that idea 12:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:67478 12:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:67479 12:51 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: biab] 12:53 so master kaen was wearing magic resistance and i got a tin opener and a scroll of light from it... 12:54 ? 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:4827 12:54 You try to polypile or 12:55 I'm a bit lost lol 12:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8808 12:57 i'm just whining about there being ZERO loot in the monk quest 12:57 despite having the toughest boss 12:57 that's what was on his level. a tin opener and a scroll of light 12:58 and an altar another altar to moloch like on the top level (wtf?) 12:58 it's vanilla stuff, but it's the worst quest by far 12:59 tourist quest has an easy nemesis and tons of loot. should I whine about it being unfulfilling and too easy? 13:00 no, it's essentially what i'm whining about 13:00 priest quest is almost identical to monk quest but TONS of loot 13:00 and easy boss 13:01 so you just want more loot in general 13:01 I consider the amount of loot on a quest to be part of quest / role balance 13:01 uhhh no i think the monk quest should have SOME loot like all the others 13:01 i don't mind that the boss is hard 13:04 i guess it makes sense though. You're saying priest and tourist are hard so there's lots of loot in quest? 13:05 i think we can all agree monk quest is half-assed/poorly thought out (if at all). At least you tried to mix it up a bit 13:06 priest and tourist are harder roles for sure (for me at least... hard for me to juge how "hard" monk is because i play it so much) 13:08 No, I think there are quests like tourist and arc that give the player frankly too much loot while being not that difficult at all 13:08 priest has a TON too 13:08 but that's okay, because "all quests should be roughly the same difficulty and give roughly the same reward" is not a goal to strive for; it helps there be easier and harder roles to pick from 13:08 true 13:09 literally the only thing i don't like about monk is i feel like the quest is a ripoff of the priest quest minus the loot and adding a really tough nemesis 13:10 there are like 100 chests or something in the priest quest lol 13:10 and infinite wraiths 13:10 okay, but if you had a monk quest that was redesigned but still had very little loot, would you be okay with that, or still feel like the lack of loot is a problem? 13:10 i'd be fine with it. Because you made a good point and i agree 13:10 in my own monk quest redesign plans, the lack of loot is a feature, to go with the monk asceticism 13:10 i don't mind playing a "harder" role 13:11 it just feels like it was thrown together (the quest) 13:11 we can toss out the bad levels and bad story but maintain the overall balance 13:11 like i said, i like what you've done so far 13:11 it was nice just to have new scenery 13:12 but a scroll of light and a tin opener after killing Kaen (who had mr) and a zillion xorns and earth elementals is kind of a kick in the nuts 13:13 one time in vanilla (and I don't know how this happened) there was actually loot including a WoW in a chest. It was a crazy game where i found 4 wands though so it didn't even matter. made 26 wishes and didn't need any of them. dungeon was STACKED 13:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:8966 13:14 it felt like a wizmode game 13:15 there ya go graznop :) 13:17 This character just starting to fill out. Death soon... 13:20 hehe i've felt that way this whole game. i'm never playing elf again 13:26 -!- Graznop has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:26 if somehow i do ascend, i'm going to break the high score so i may as well run it up. May as well get 20m instead of 8... Gonna start collecting gems 13:26 (i've killed a lot of things...) 13:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:69141 13:39 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 13:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:70903 13:48 ok now let's not piss her off this time ! 13:53 she won't get mad at ME if one of my woolly's kills a pegasus, right? 13:53 i guess i should tame them too 13:53 bah too late they killed one 13:58 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 11630 points, T:10393, killed by a giant leech 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Gia Mal Una), 7929 points, T:6493, killed by a goblin-captain 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 1442 points, T:2696, killed by a human zombie 14:31 reflection barding will have some kind of randomized description? 14:48 not random, but yes 15:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Elf Mal Una), 4374 points, T:4118, killed by a champion of Raijin 15:11 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4111 points, T:3078, killed by an exploding wand 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Orc Mal Una), 1018 points, T:2412, killed by a dwarf zombie, while reading a book 15:39 woolly's are great on astral, but a bitch to keep alive in gehennom 15:41 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 15:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Pacra's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:8251 15:42 My favorite kinds of deaths, where I have to go to the ttyrec to see what happened 15:45 why no announcement? mintc? 15:45 K2: Check out my 2021-10-04.17_40_43.ttyrec. Was mosying along and "Suddenly, the dungeon collapses." 15:45 -!- Not-a08 has joined #evilhack 15:45 [EvilHack] entrez opened pull request #75: racial statue name - https://git.io/Ja7zC 15:45 WE WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TOO 15:46 Managed to baby a shitty caveman into a pretty decent caveman and so the game stopped me, hard 15:46 i dont see a coredump 15:46 Doesn't look like it left anything to recover either 15:46 Just bang, gone 15:46 looking 15:47 paniclog is huge 15:47 The only even borderline-interesting thing going on was there was a changeling on the level 15:47 Oct 4 15:36 5krm26.e.gz 15:47 ^ emergency save 15:47 Oh, cool -- you mind recovering that for me? 15:48 (Visual Studio Code needs a plugin for nethack ttyrecs :-) 15:48 just did. i also made a copy of it, and also your backup save in case things get stupid 15:48 Thanks, you're the most evil! 15:48 i try 15:49 looks like you're back in 15:49 at what point? 15:49 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:79360 15:49 right where the crash occurred or father back? 15:49 *farther 15:50 Well, I don't know what to say 15:50 I was in a state I was never in 15:50 my favorite part of the dad bod is father back 15:50 Close to where I crashed but with two different monsters that hadn't been there before 15:50 geez - https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/evilhack/paniclog 15:50 what is geez 15:50 object lost 15:51 Ok but to be fair all that impossible spam was from the same event 15:51 yeah we fixed that already 15:51 right? 15:51 It does make it look like I own the panic log 15:51 yeah we did 15:51 You fixed it same-day 15:51 dos attack hardfought by flooding the panic log 15:52 epoch timestamp is from sept 21st 15:52 except last one heh 15:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:10832 15:52 the latest one is from yesterday 15:53 just before noon EST 15:53 because it's ubirthday 15:53 not the time of the error 15:53 krm26 must have started the game yesterday 15:53 oh right 15:53 Have to admit I had a *slight* sense of relief when it blew up, this character has been like trying to dig a grave with a wet noodle 15:53 i hate that 15:53 paniclog should state time of panic, not when game started 15:53 what was that ttyplay utility that allowed you to rewind and stuff 15:53 termplay 15:54 part of termrec 15:54 Might have something to do with the ice troll reviving? 15:54 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 2115 points, T:3904, killed by a piranha 15:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:76265 15:54 K2: if you undef something like PANICLOG_FMT2 it will use the time of the impossible instead 15:55 but it will print like YYYY:MM:DD HH:MM instead of epoch time 15:55 qt: LOL at your dad bod joke. I don't know why, but that got me lol 15:55 but i like FMT2 15:55 gdammit 15:56 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had a large shield entrusted to him by Venus, on T:5465 15:57 My dogs are like, WTF man, you were just about to walk us and now K2 has ruined everything 15:57 hah 15:58 yeah termplay/rec is awesome.. I had never used it before. But it let me see when the candelabrum got stolen 15:58 kinda fun watching a game too and you can control the speed 16:00 hmm weird, I wonder what happened here 16:01 does acid go 'Clonk' when it hits iron bars 16:01 that seems like a noise venom shouldn't make 16:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:9206 16:02 k2 there's no backtrace or anything? 16:02 idk what the proper terminology is... coredump I guess? 16:03 right, no coredump 16:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:03 this makes me sad 16:03 i have a copy of the save though 16:04 lol acid goes 'clonk'? 16:04 i think it's the venom, something went 'Clonk' while a cobra was on the other side of iron bars spitting at krm26 16:05 Why no core? Do you have a core size limit set? 16:06 i dont 16:07 no idea why there's no coredump. it probably wasnt a type of crash that would generate one. an emergency save was created instead 16:07 5krm26.e.gz 16:07 Oh, ok, I did see something flash by that might have indicated the program terminated itself. Makes sense 16:07 when did you crash? 16:07 Unfortunately it was dismissed by a movement key 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:79919 16:11 oh man, i love when one of those traps gives you full PW 16:11 and increased the max. that was awesome 16:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Lolth, on T:76671 16:24 i guess i need to polypile some food if want to keep my steed alive 16:30 you could polypile your steed into something that doesn't need to eat. 16:30 -!- bouquet_ is now known as bouquet 16:31 Yeah, why no zombie warhorse and housecat skeletons? 16:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:77657 16:33 yeah. i really don't have the patience for pets but riding the woolly is fun .. i just need to rest so much to restore PW and it gets hungry 16:33 gonna leave it behind for now i think 16:34 although i know force bolt/stone to flesh/poly spells and it's super easy to make infinite woolly food if i get motivated 16:34 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:34 i usually do it with spinach tins and lembas wafers, but of course this elf isn't going to 25str so i haven't bothered 16:34 -!- bouquet_ has joined #evilhack 16:35 cockatrice eggs... fun in vanilla 16:35 i don't know if they're all that effective in eh? 16:36 why wouldnt they be? 16:36 well they don't insta stone like in vanilla 16:36 i'm assuming they don't?? 16:36 so? 16:36 ok 16:36 K2: this should "fix" the 'stone to flesh racial priest' thing https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/75 16:36 most monsters cant cure themselves 16:37 that's true 16:37 qt thanks 16:37 ok new plan 16:37 * rebatela gets icebox 16:37 also makes statues of racial monsters better i guess 16:37 K2: is that in regards to my zombie aligned priest? 16:37 yeah 16:38 I shall study these lines of wisdom and learn the way 16:38 oh6 taught me about polypiling food lol. dude goes all out 16:38 I got lucky once and turned a huge pile of meatballs into spinach. 16:39 never got that lucky again 16:39 yeah that's what i'm talking about bouquet 16:39 you break a boulder and stone to flesh and then poly the metaballs 16:39 it was for one of my extinctionist games. I had a lot of time to do stuff like that. 16:39 you can easily get stacks of spinach tins, lembas wafers, cockatrice eggs... 16:39 made a huge mess of the dungeon, too 16:40 hehe i used to watch you play a lot too ;) 16:40 a mess how? 16:40 every tile had gear on it from clearing out the dungeon walls and mass summoning then slaughtering 16:40 omg qt bouquet played these crazy games 16:40 so fun to watch 16:41 entire screen would be full of monsters 16:41 glad it was fun to watch. It was a test of endurance for me! 16:41 lol 16:41 but I learned a lot of the mechanics of play that I hadn't from regular spoiling 16:42 for sure 16:43 qt: here's a pic https://i.imgur.com/VQFx6bE.png 16:43 lol 16:43 awesome 16:43 lulz 16:44 it's like where's waldo 16:44 word search 16:44 fiqYe 16:44 aka 'whence came woolly-pip' for our UK friends 16:44 lol 16:46 the two extinction games I did took me about 6 months of casual play to finish. Vanilla and xnh. Someone should do evilhack :) (not it!) 16:47 haha 16:47 bouquet_: how did the one earth elemental get to what looks like an illegal spot 16:50 is that an illegal spot? 16:50 i think they're just where you can't dig 16:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una) rejected atheism by offering a rock piercer corpse on an altar of Amaterasu Omikami, on T:10289 16:54 It's the outer wall 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 18778 points, T:10443, killed by a vampire bat, while praying 16:58 what's the option to show weight? 16:58 oh i got it invweight 17:02 oh wow facebook is down? (not like i care) 17:03 just saw it on the news though. people must be freaking out 17:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 495 points, T:1281, zombified by a diseased hobbit corpse, while praying 17:08 ds 17:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 740 points, T:1297, zombified by a dwarf zombie 17:16 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:16 oh nice just killed a knight with 11 apples and 11 carrots (come backk wooolly!!) 17:22 debating doing kas and vecna now... I've only fought vecna once, but it would be great to be able to geno alhoon etc. and no have to wear this silly hat 17:23 (knight also had a +5 HoB) 17:24 woah 17:24 I had to blow a wish on mine :( 17:24 this run has been very 'dry' 17:25 silly hat??? 17:31 hehehe sorry. i love your hat 17:31 i'd be lost without it ! 17:32 ;-) 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 459 points, T:1855, killed by a hobbit 17:32 yeah bouquet, i try not to wish for hob because you will usually find one on an npc eventually 17:34 my dungeon sucked too though. rng is crazy sometimes 17:35 i'd love to find/polypile for that reflective barding 17:36 i was gonna go back to ice queen branch and get my 100k zorkmids and donate to moloch for hopeuflly another point or two of AC, but that's how i got killed last time... 17:36 don't ever upset Kathryn once you've killed her once... 17:37 I tried in wizmode and couldn't scratch her 17:37 even with a ring of accuracy +50 17:39 yeah, it's game over 17:40 run away time when thathappens 17:40 yeah she immediately summoned and i was surrouned and stunned 17:41 you noticed too late 17:41 you kept beating that frost giant 17:41 hobgoblin should have a chance of generating with a hob tbh 17:42 a 100% chance 17:42 new object: hobgob 17:43 bah woolly got stoned 17:43 Ugh, my current game was utter crap so I've been stuck a long time at an altar, and I'm lawful, and there are dwarves. So there is no level left 17:43 oh that sucked 17:43 wide open space 17:44 krm26: I'm at 80k turns and I'm still not capable of going into gehennom. 17:44 a statue of a woolly mammoth named jerry :( 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed Ring of P'hul", on T:80798 17:51 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:51 someone needs to do an extinctionist game or something where they get some ridiculous score so I don't have all these embarassingly high scores by myself lol 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Hea Dwa Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4156 17:55 i'm not especially even trying to kill things. they just get in the way... 17:57 my highest is 36,724,798 in xnh. 17:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:59 ahhh i wanted to wish for ring of phul. thought about it 17:59 you get it? 17:59 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Ran Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8390 17:59 first arti wish? 18:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:81952 18:02 yes, got it. 18:02 sweet! 18:02 sick sick artifact 18:03 it's kind of my go to these days. Especially since I haven't id'd genocide yet 18:03 i mean, you're probably gonna want to wear FA anyway so why not get MR and disease resis along with it 18:03 Still got locusts 18:04 of all the rings I keep in open inventory, I NEVER take off FA. Too scared to. 18:04 Is there a risk of Rodney stealing it? As it's a quest artefact? 18:04 yes. I keep at least 2 MR on me at all times 18:04 yes that's the problem 18:04 i think he means p'hul 18:04 can't have two of those unfortunately 18:05 oh i see 18:05 yeah two sources of mr 18:05 and a spare FA ring in open inventory :) 18:05 i do the same. it's too risky to rely on the QA now that he might be able to resist death magic and you have to stand there and fight 18:05 i used to take my chances when you knew you could just death wand him 18:06 in fact, slow digestion hardly gets used any more. I used to rely on it entirely, but not since I abandoned my "eat everything" plan. 18:06 so i switch from robe to either cloak or amulet of mr for the run 18:06 heh. i find myself wearing SD less and less as well 18:06 i still need it though 18:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Hea Dwa Mal Neu), 2368 points, T:7098, poisoned by a gray fungus, while praying 18:07 One thing I'm noticing with Evil is the amount of swapping things in & out, on & off! 18:08 graznop: rodney got buffed in .7... Him having a chance of having mr or reflection is new 18:08 I never had much of a routine for going down stairs before... 18:08 he used to be like vanilla. death wand and he's done 18:09 Oh right - I've only met him in .7 18:09 it's definitely more fun now though imo. The WIZARD OF YENDOR should have magic resistance! (at least sometimes) 18:09 he could still steal artifacts before. I mean, he can in vanilla too. But it's a 1/20 chance he tries to steal it each turn i think. Not a big deal if you're just zapping a wand 18:10 but now you have to stand there for several turns. You don't want to lose your only source of MR 18:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 18:11 Yes, I've had him steal my quest artefact in vanilla a couple of times. 18:12 heh. the FIRST time i played 3.6 or 3.61 (whenever it changed so he would steal a different' role's quest artifact) he stole PYEC from me, so now not only did i not have magic resistance, but he did! 18:12 and i had only ascended a few times at all at this point 18:12 the game had just come out and that rule changed. it was a big deal 18:13 because that was the trick. you'd just wish for eota or pyec or whatever and he wouldn't steal it 18:14 this was in the tower. i didn't know what i was doing lol, but i think i was able to wish for a c corpse and got it back/ascended 18:15 i like evilhack because it feels like vanilla. It's just harder. It's not like playing a whole new game that you have to learn. i dunno. I've been slow to pick up variants i guess. It just seems overwhelming, but evilhack just seemed hard lol 18:16 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:81454 18:17 i don't mean that in a bad way. Obviously there's lots of new stuff. But it feels like nethack to me still 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 491 points, T:916, zombified by a kobold zombie, while praying 18:17 Yes, I know what you mean. Some variants are a little off putting to me because of the sheer volume of stuff 18:17 "evilhack feels like vanilla" is a hot take 18:17 oh god 18:18 am i not allowed to praise evilhack in the #evilhack channel without offending people? 18:18 I'm not offended, just amused at the statement 18:18 i like your game too :) 18:18 Each to their own, though. 18:18 i don't like when people change arbitrary things and you have to memorize all this new stuff 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una) murdered Hecubus, his faithful lesser homunculus, on T:292 18:19 now q is a minotaur and it's green 18:19 it's just too much (for ME. I'm a little slow...) 18:19 evil has its fair share of game-mechanical changes 18:20 need to memorize how many killer bees to eat to be safe from poison instadeath 18:20 xnh feelsl like vanilla to 18:20 too 18:20 i really like it 18:20 they are similar in that way (the point i was trying to make about evil) 18:20 Yes, I enjoyed xNethack in June 18:20 me too 18:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:81477 18:20 and had no problem picking it up 18:21 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:21 I had ambitions to try much more in June than I did. Only had time to learn about fiq and x... 18:21 not trying to defend or make a case for xnh here. pretend someone else made it. 18:21 i honestly haven't played enogh variants. I really like splice and dnh the little bit I've played, but i feel like i have to really learn a lot 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 608 points, T:835, killed by a giant bat 18:22 nah i'm serious though. it's what i like about xnh as well aosdict.. not just saying that because it's you and you're here 18:22 it's just differnet enough 18:23 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) murdered her faithful dwarf zombie, on T:81525 18:23 I love xnh! (this message brought to you by aosdict) 18:24 I guess there are just different thresholds for people feeling a variant is like vanilla? evilhack's antimatter vortices and elder minotaurs push it well to the far side of that threshold for me 18:25 My favourite thing in xnh was the bucket-of-water-on-door trap. It just made me smile :-) 18:25 haha 18:26 aosdict, I think you did a masterful job keeping xnh pure while adding flavor. It's like a meal at a fancy restaurant. Delicious by its preparation and ingredients, not bucket of glazed hot wings. 18:26 i mean, you're talking about difficulty though. yeah, those monsters are tough but it's intuitive. That's what I was tlaking about. Just being able to actually play the game 18:27 when too much is changed, it's too much to learn for it to be fun for me unless invest a ton of time (which i'd love to do... in theory i want to play all these games) 18:28 I've been thinking about scaling back door traps. Sure, vanilla's system is blah, but I think it's rather overengineered 18:30 xnh probably "feels like vanilla" more than evil honestly 18:30 The door trap where you fell into a room was an interesting mechanic 18:30 i just don't like it because of paranoid water, but now evil has it soooooooooooo 18:30 ;) 18:31 Also vanilla seems to be a moving target now 18:31 xnh feels a lot like vanilla because vanilla keeps pulling in xnh features :) 18:31 hehe 18:31 :) 18:33 it's all very subjective of course. for rebatela paranoid water was incredibly un-vanillalike thing, for other people it was a vanilla-but-better thing 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Gia Mal Una) destroyed Pacra the human zombie, and former Heathen, on T:2199 18:34 I never would have ascended a weaponless monk if not for paranoid hit option. 18:34 yeah that's bs too... 18:34 ;) 18:34 such a purist 18:34 i don't want to have this debate haha but for sure everyone breaks it with the pickaxe 18:35 I managed to do it later in vanilla. 18:35 "accidentally" 18:35 oh so see you CAN do it 18:35 i try to do it every game i play. i have weaponless going now 80k turns. just put the pickaxe away 18:35 I needed to get one under my belt with training wheels on first. 18:35 i usually fail and hit something with pickaxe at some point 18:35 but if you just put the pickaxe in your bag or didn't carry one it's not that hard 18:36 that's what I ended up doing I think. 18:36 it made me happy to see we have similar turn counts. i don't feel so bad. this game is taking me forever bouquet 18:38 I astral splatted a gnome wizard recently because I got impatient and didn't polypile enough full healing to get my health >500. 18:38 got crushed by the first rider 18:38 yeah.. that's how i feel too. I don't really care about turns. i want to ascend 18:39 I need to ascend a wizard in eh so I can go find all the corner cases in splice! 18:39 i have a major potion/scroll shortage, so i will altar camp if i have to. polypile. whatever it takes 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Gia Mal Una) averted death (killed by a mountain dwarf), on T:2904 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Gia Mal Una), 2956 points, T:2912, killed by a mountain dwarf 18:39 i want to get to xl 30 too because monks get intrinsics now as they level higher 18:39 but there were no wraiths in valley because it was bones and had been clearewd 18:40 also it's better for magic missile and magic harp (probably other things i'm not thinking of) 18:40 more PW 18:41 i didn't realize until recently that the harp depends on XL 18:41 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Magic_harp (i don't even have one, but i'm working on that too) 18:41 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 18:43 you can ride a pseudodragon? 18:43 i thought they were the size of a cat 18:44 can monsters pick up this "wand" of orcus? i guess push a boulder over it? 18:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 288 points, T:878, killed by a hobbit 18:45 can i read a cursed teleport scroll from orcus level now that he's dead? 18:46 i'm like 99% sure monsters can pick it up 18:46 because at some point i was experimenting with getting my intelligent pet to pick it up, stash it in a sack, then give me the sack 18:46 so i could take it 18:46 qt when they're "ancient" 18:47 how big are they when ancient? 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:898 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:900 18:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:909 18:49 is there any other monster like that, that goes from being small to large enough to ride as it grows up? 18:51 I haven't encountered anything like that yet 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1158 points, T:2282, killed by a killer bee 18:56 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Venus, on T:9997 18:58 okay, an ancient pseudodragon is exactly the same size as a large dog 18:58 therefore we should be able to saddle and ride large dogs 18:59 I'm there 18:59 Maybe just for gnomes and dwarves :-) 18:59 Extra bonus for small races 18:59 Also, at expert riding you shouldn't need a saddle any more 19:03 men, saddle and harness my great dane, for we ride to war 19:09 nerf coming? 19:16 I've seen some potentially rideable great danes. 19:17 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 19:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1132 points, T:1906, killed by a piranha 19:29 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:31 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:83638 19:32 lol 19:33 catching up on backscroll 19:37 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±10] https://git.io/Jaxag 19:37 [EvilHack] entrez 97e4e11 - Use racial adjectives in statue names 19:37 [EvilHack] entrez 4b63129 - Use racial glyphs for statues 19:37 [EvilHack] entrez 0ea37dc - Use race to 'revive' aligned priest into zombie 19:37 [EvilHack] k21971 ead5349 - Merge pull request #75 from entrez/racial-statue-name 19:37 6 wooop 19:38 ^ 20:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 13526 points, T:9283, suffocated by a water elemental 20:05 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 20:17 all i meant when i said "feels like vanilla" was that I could figure it out how to play without having to ask a zillion questions or be spoiled beyond how i was spoiled re: vanilla or my experience with vanilla... 20:20 by the time you reach an elder minotaur or an antimatter vortex, yeah they are difficult but there isn't some learning curve. It's prety easy to figure out they are going to be hard monsters. I'm not sure what's so amusing about that. xnh is very similar in that way. that's all i ways sayin 20:21 i know for a fact people like xnh for the same reason. It just goes the other way 20:29 and people love dnh and slex etc. and games that are wildly different. i was just saying why it appeals to me. it feels like a harder nethack 20:34 Yes, the appeal of evilhack to me is primarily deviating from vanilla where vanilla falls short -- lategame grind, much too easy, etc. Not interested in jamming extra crap in just for giggles 20:43 word 21:02 i guess i'm in the rare camp (actually not, lots of people playing vanilla on nao and here and locally) who doesn't think vanilla is "broken" and "unbalanced" and has "ui faults" etc. It's nethack... that's the game. some people love it for what it is 21:03 of course it's ridiculous. but if you start changing it too much it becomes something else 21:04 I don't think nethack is broken, it just isn't challenging *to me* anymore. I don't blame it, I've been playing it since before it was nethack. That's longevity 21:04 yeah me too haha we're old 21:05 I've played a few other variants quite a bit but evilhack is the best compromise I've found between still being very nethacky while being a bitch to play 21:05 i didn't ascend until couple years ago but been playing hack since 80s 21:05 I like FIQ and Unnethack a lot too as variants, but don't find them as difficult 21:05 xnethack too 21:06 I made my first ascension completely unspoiled...took me for EVER 21:06 nice! 21:06 not sure i believe that. but i'm trying to! 21:06 Tried evilhack unspoiled but it broke my spirit in well under a year 21:07 (I mean, I'd been completely spoiled in nethack for a while by that point, but I knew nothing about evilhack) 21:07 i remember downloading spoilers from ftp sites (pre-web) 21:07 txt files 21:09 I'd built my own fairly massive wiki by the time I managed to ascend. Honestly, I prefer games that way, with maybe just a microcommunity of people chipping away at them 21:10 Or I did when I was young and didn't understand there isn't an infinite amount of time to waste 21:26 if I'm in vecna's branch can I cursed tele to dlvl 18 in the main branch? 21:26 or do I have to go back to the main dungeon first? 21:33 i don't think it works 21:33 could be wrong tho 21:34 i almost died there with yeenoghu and couldn't do it, but you MAY be able to if no boss if present 21:34 You can 21:34 there ya go 21:34 If a demon prince isn't present 21:35 im only playing neutral after this game. i love having eota 21:42 Boo! Where is your Ring of P'hul then? 21:43 switch alignments! 21:53 well i wished for dragonbane. i wanted p'hul but i'm not gonna rely on qa for mr w/ rodney anyway, and would have liked to have leveled up enough to have disease resistance anyway. so i didnt see a reason to waste wishes going for it and get deniedf 21:54 new wishing rules and all 21:55 obviously i'm going to be wearing FA, but if i'm going to be wearing something else for mr then what's the point ? during the non-ascension run it's baller though. And it's very tempting to wish for as an early wish... roll the dice 21:56 Anyone recall precisely how many turns you get inside a water elemental before you buy it? 21:56 hope to not get pelias 21:56 not enough! 21:56 i don't know tho 21:57 i've been switching to magical breathing a bunch this game for them and sea dragons tho 21:57 Yeah, I'm lacking lots of critical stuff unfortunately 22:04 Having your only source of reflection made from gold BLOWS...not quite as bad as a gold ring of freedom tho 22:11 yeah i had gold flying for a while 22:12 i mean, you gotta be careful anyway. a nymph or a succubus can ruin your day over water etc. too 22:12 you get to a point where you can oneshot nymphs but if something else is going on and they get the turn... 22:13 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 808 points, T:1755, killed by hallucinogen-distorted Ms. Avasaksa; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 22:13 that shit with the succubus and yeenogu at vecnas level was terrible 22:16 55k turns, no BoH, no free action, only 2 magical pieces of armor found (CoMR, GoPro), "oR -- this caveman is SUCH JUNK 22:17 i had a really weird dungeon too 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Hum Mal Una), 51 points, T:192, killed by a poisoned needle 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 1488 points, T:1621, killed by a gnome lord 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:59394 22:46 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:55 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 23:17 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 690 points, T:738, killed by a spear trap 23:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Gia Mal Una) rejected atheism by offering a chameleon corpse on an altar of Set, on T:5860 23:25 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:84038 23:27 +7 Kas powered lich slayer, oh yeah 23:28 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) murdered her faithful giant anaconda, on T:84097 23:30 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:31 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 609 points, T:979, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rock mole 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 1950 points, T:2221, killed by a soldier ant 23:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3166 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:84730 23:56 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 1119728 points, T:84740, killed by Baphomet, while moving through the air 23:56 fawk