00:03 I'm trying to make sense of fqname in src/files.c, can someone explain how it works? It seems pretty random - somethings have a prefix, some don't, and what's that prefix anyway? 00:20 The reason I ask was because I was hoping to modify the routine to be able to return the "expanded" path, ie, if HACKDIR is ~/.config/evilhack, it expands it to /home/arahael/.config/evilhack 00:34 Found an alternative approach ,modifying fqname itself was just too fragile. 00:38 [EvilHack] arafangion forked the repository - https://git.io/JzDfZ 00:40 Oh, sneaky spy powers. 00:40 I've added a proof of concept modification to allow me to specify HACKDIR = ~/.config/evilhack in the hints file: https://github.com/arafangion/EvilHack/commit/f2588019572e2ece7e1128c6f43638e2486186b0 00:41 What do you guys think? 00:48 * arahael should probably make that a PR, but probably should double-check on some of the failure cases there so that it's a bit more predictable. 00:53 And yes, I've reminded myself I don't like C. :D 01:09 I can't speak on that since idk shit about coding proper yet 01:13 Umbire: As far as nethack/evilhack code is concerned, neither do I! :) 01:13 Though, given that evilhack only really supports "unix" systems, and perhaps windows, it's a lot easier. 01:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3300 01:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1709 points, T:3308, killed by a poisonous corpse 01:15 D'oh. Forgot that beetles are poisonious. 01:15 F 01:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2799 points, T:2582, killed by an energy vortex 02:02 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu), 3326 points, T:5550, killed by a crossbow bolt 02:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3025 02:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2808 points, T:3906, killed by a gnoll, while praying 04:51 Woah. So I thought in this game I'd make a run for soko first. 04:51 Went to the oracle level, went down the downstairs... 04:51 And there's a freaking grey dragon there. 05:07 -!- joes has joined #evilhack 05:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 9244 points, T:8167, killed by a mountain dwarf 07:09 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 07:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 839 points, T:2645, killed by a pony 08:07 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:17 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:20180 08:18 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20189 08:21 Doesn't it suck there's like nothing there? lol 08:21 (other than eyes obviously) 08:22 Oh well there was a statue of a xorn! 08:22 haha 08:22 Which was really a xorn posing as a statue 08:22 and another moloch altar! 08:23 ooh ooh this has given me an idea for one of the quest redesigns. theme a nemesis around "the thousand eyes", make floating eyes a quest-appearing monster, and when you encounter them, they're in a ring of sleeping floating eyes 08:23 creepy AND dangerous 08:24 Monkfans - does the commit about eyes of the overworld cover all the scenarios I should know about re: gaze attack protection? 08:24 not medusa 08:24 it works for beholders and magic eyes though 08:24 although I think you still want to kill magic eyes right away. I feel like maybe they can still change your luck? 08:25 and it blocks archon stunning gaze (vanilla) 08:25 Yeah that's what it says. Magic eyes were already problem, given no telepathy 08:25 just gonna have to eat the occasional luck hit 08:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Tou Gno Fem Neu) had a T-shirt entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:35367 08:29 Yay my first game to not have to kill the quest leader!! 08:29 oh cool he's letting you keep it 08:29 Now I can go forth and abuse my alignment 08:29 lol 08:29 seems like a bit of a perverse incentive situation 08:30 be a saint up until you never have to speak to your moral guardian again, then be as bad as you want 08:31 I assume Kaen has an enchanted robe 08:34 tsk, did not, lame 08:36 I think the quest leader attitudes based on alignment abuse are a bit too severe -- think it should be a percent chance maybe, so that it is more likely when you abuse your alignment, but there is always at least some random chance either way 08:36 yeah sometimes it's even cursed i think 08:36 krm26: it's supposed to be like that 08:36 I guess my sample size has been too small to see it, good 08:37 the more you abuse it the more likely they keep it (it may be broken though? it seems very rare for someone to get to keep it. in fact that's the first i've witnessed it) 08:37 Kinda also thinking, due to the power of wishing for non-artifact gear, late-game magic items should show up with more frequent random materials and even occasionally properties 08:38 So you could sometimes find a piece of unwishable gear that could potentially be interesting 08:39 can't you get telepathy from prayer? 08:40 Yes I'm hoping for that 08:40 is that the plan? 08:40 gonna go check out castle first 08:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Tou Gno Fem Neu) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:35731 08:55 BOOO to alhoons pre-castle 08:55 gehennom monsters before the castle :( 08:56 telepathy is a crutch 08:56 just yolo 08:56 ^this 08:58 yolo myself right into that alhoon 08:59 "you only live once, so I will hasten my death as much as possiblllllleeeee..." 09:10 G'night! 09:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5500 09:15 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Val Gia Fem Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed her unworthy, on T:2493 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Val Gia Fem Law), 1212 points, T:2694, quit 09:20 haha cool 09:23 why would one get denied? 09:24 they're not a knight 09:24 rebatela: Not a kn... That. 09:24 d'oh 09:24 dammit aphrodite on dl 6 09:25 having such a good start too 09:25 gauntlets of protection, speed boots, magic whistle 09:25 if nymphs were weighed down by objects a funny strategy would be to go that floor with only boulders >:) 09:26 well it's definitely a lot easier as a giant... 09:34 4d7 sting polymorph, 2d7 butt withering, 4d7 tentacle teleport, 4d7 09:34 butt level drain, 3d6 gaze sleep, 5d7 bearhug physical 09:37 butt withering, all those squats at the gym for nothing... 09:37 base AC -20 bleh 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 339 points, T:1227, killed by an enormous rat, while praying 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) had Dramborleg bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:23483 09:47 :| 09:47 yeah you're gonna get all the coolest weapons when you play weaponless 09:47 you'll find grayswandir on the ground next 09:48 Can't even give it to Dagul 09:49 i found grayswandir in the perseus statue once when I was playing weaponless. (i think i used it) 09:49 ha 09:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Tou Gno Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:36170 09:57 nice nice 09:58 First artefact gift. :-) 10:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6001 10:05 Can player monsters charm your pets? 10:05 gratz on epic first gift 10:06 I don't think they can, but that's an epic EPI 10:08 I had a pet black D. Which was suddenly no longer a pet after a player monster giant wizard appeared and cast create monster 10:08 oh, are you wearing dragonbane? 10:08 that'll probably be why it's not your pet anymore 10:08 That would explain it. Thanks! 10:11 Nice to see someone kicking butt as a tourist in evilhack, feel like I don't see that much 10:13 Hmm, I see that my tourist ascension was offline, I need to do that one again dammit 10:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law), 16884 points, T:6901, killed by a giant beetle 10:15 Could really do with a weapon though... got a +4 spear! 10:17 damn pirhanas .. ugh i hope that left bones for someone 10:18 !lastgame 10:18 rebatela: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1632660216.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eziono/evilhack/dumplog/1632662779.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1632654001.evil.html 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1577 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:27950 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 182 points, T:564, killed by a small mimic 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 802 points, T:2253, killed by a djinni 11:35 I might steal your curses settings, graznop. I kinda like the no borders and the bigger message window 11:36 I used to be diehard tty, but i've come around 11:36 Feel free to 11:38 I'm guessing the chest I want has a scroll underneath? 11:40 sea dragon mail. that's pretty cool ! I was putting on magical breathing a LOT during the ascension run last game 11:41 does it protect against gel cubes? 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:28611 11:42 Double pegasus! Didn't know that was possible 11:43 I had 3 in my last game 11:43 eggs hatching 11:45 Dunno about the gel cubes, without free action I haven't wanted to go close! 11:45 Did have blue DSM, but the a player monster dropped the sea DSM 11:46 Nearly all my best stuff has come from player monsters :-) 11:46 Yeah, definitely stay away from them w/out FA 11:46 and hell yeah, the player monsters are the best :) the gear keeps getting better too 11:47 i usually geno the cubes when I can these days 11:47 Silver darts of cold! 11:47 last game i had a major shortage of genocide scrolls tho 11:47 Have the scroll odds changed compared to vanilla? I seem to have very few teleport 11:49 Hmm. Now what to do with my 0:2 wand? 11:51 Graznop that's just RNG (the scrolls) 11:52 I guess it's the RNG variation that keeps us coming back for more 11:53 are you looking for wishing suggestions? 11:54 dragonhide Hawaiian shirt of drain resistance is pretty standard :-) 11:55 Yep. Currently thinking of oilskin hat and shirt of decay... 11:55 *Too* standard, in fact 11:56 Tempted by EotE too 11:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Tou Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 oilskin fedora", on T:37537 11:57 Is there some advantage to a fedora over a cloth elven helm? Or is that throwaway until you genocide some stuff? 11:57 yes. a fedora is cool. 11:57 much more stylish 11:57 style points 11:57 jinx 11:57 heh 11:58 You sure you just aren't hiding your bald spot? 11:58 lol 11:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Tou Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide Hawaiian shirt", on T:37538 11:58 hahaha! 11:58 elven helm can go to +7 tho 11:58 oops? 11:58 no decay? 11:59 Forgot about the decay. Distracted by the stylish hat! 11:59 maybe they took offense to krm26 saying it was *too* standard (what does that mean, btw?) 12:00 a couple times i've forgotten to add the 'dragonhide' part. that's even worse imo 12:00 Will I really miss the drain resistance? 12:00 nah you're fine 12:00 obviously it's nice 12:01 only thing where it's more than a level that you gain right back is Vlad 12:01 It was concentrating on spelling Hawaiian that did it 12:01 haha 12:01 but restore ability will bring back all your levels 12:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Tou Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:37542 12:02 Got the +3 shirt, +0 hat 12:03 blessed PYEC is so sweet 12:03 "restore ability will bring back all your levels" if Vlad doesn't kill you first ;-) 12:03 heh. true 12:03 amateurhour died there 12:03 recently? 12:03 a while ago 12:04 oh yeah I remember 12:04 absolutely demolished 12:04 yeah. I got drained pretty bad last game 12:04 I blocked the stairs with boulders and they decided to derp around a seemingly random part of the level instead 12:04 graznop, vlad is buffed if you haven't picked up on it ! 12:04 and I didn't really know what I was doing so just died 12:05 yeah he can heal himself too 12:05 also he can cast reflection now 12:05 Got to get there first 12:05 so boulder fort/magic missile doesn't work 12:05 also, don't fall into the abyss there :-) 12:06 oh yeah 12:06 seriously 12:06 it's kind of a rite of passage but you don't want to do it 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1691 points, T:2670, killed by a piranha 12:07 make sure you're levitating/flying when after you go in. the blackness is insteadeath otherwise and it's super easy to do if you don't know 12:07 ride a wumpus across if ur brave 12:07 i think there's an engraving that warns you ? 12:07 but it's easy to miss/not interpret 12:08 there is even extra introduction text now 12:08 i definitely fell my first time even after being warned because I didn't understand what people were talking about 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Pri Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:538 12:09 u listening graznop? I don't want to see the graznop fell to his death announce lol 12:09 his/her? 12:10 His. Thanks - sounds like you've just saved me a fall into the abyss! 12:10 it really sucks... 12:10 sorry if we're spoiling it 12:11 No, I'm fully spoilt. 12:11 word 12:11 Even been known to check things out in wizMode first... 12:11 heh. that's why i'm gonna try to do local install. thanks again for your notes 12:12 Vecna has made me forget that Vlad was a surprise the first time 12:12 Note to self - check loot before starting to wish. Could of been costly 12:12 Luckily K2 was online to talk me through almost killing myself on him -- think I retreated 5 times before I finally rubber chickened him 12:13 nice to talk to a fellow mint user... It seems like a lot of ppl run ubuntu, but i never hear folks mention mint 12:14 i just got one of those hp all in one dealios and it freaking flies on it 12:15 Urgh, that reminds me, time to migrate off CentOS 12:15 reading about centOS now 12:16 redhat was my first linux experience (circa 1998) 12:16 CentOS was nice and stable but its time is sadly over 12:16 Centos Stream has taken a dump all over everything 12:18 Redhat my first Linux experience too 12:18 I like Mint, it just does the stuff, without getting in the way 12:19 yeah i like it a lot too 12:21 Crazy, didn't get my "oFlying until I'd polyed up 6 "oLS 12:23 Wonder if I should blow a wish on a mithril lance of venom 12:25 i usually poly all the junk amulets INto "oLS before i do endgame 12:26 but yeah flying is pretty clutch 12:26 I wonder what the best object property is for weapons 12:27 acid! but it doesn't exist 12:27 yeah :( 12:27 Endgame I'd say venom, the 10% instakill chance on an aligned priest is better than a little extra damage 12:27 would silver be better than mithril? 12:28 Hmm -- to me the weight is really important most of the game (due to laziness), but for the ascension it doesn't matter much...maybe 12:28 I think mithril is +2 damage? Not sure how much astral stuff cares about silver 12:28 Angels, priests, horsemen -- none of them care 12:28 I guess it's important for just gehennom 12:29 I want a property that causes confusion or stun! 12:29 jousting can stun them I think? 12:29 Yup 12:30 never had a stethoscope so couldn't check ;-) 12:43 All these demons from chaotic same-race sacrifice are really irritating 12:54 works as intended 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:55059 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:55059 12:56 The thing I hate most in all the world is the elemental plane of water, and the thing I hate most in evilhack is not being able to blessed-genocide every last stupid ; that generates there in 1 round 12:56 krm26 if you pound a gray dragon from a distance, your stuff doesn't get cancelled 12:57 (that doesn't work on disenchanters unfortunately) 12:58 Yeah, but that isn't really that useful a strategy, since the only reason you can't just dispose of them at range is normally because of a summon nasties, when you're surrounded 12:58 I'm just dilly-dallying delaying the start of my ascension run for no reason 12:58 Burning a marker off, polying a bunch of crap, etc 12:58 you can actually pound over other monsters :-) 12:59 I want to genocide wands of cancellation is what I really want 12:59 Hmm, maybe also electric eels 13:00 What happens as a centaur when I genocide @ after entering astral? Do 90% of the aligned priests vanish while I cackle to myself? 13:02 unfortunately not 13:04 can't seem to wizmode tele to astral without it segfaulting 13:05 Just wasnt sure what the racial NPC stuff did to genocide viability 13:06 it doesn't geno them unfortunately and still kills you, it would be a cool tactic to poly then read geno but it doesn't work 13:07 There has always been the "dead inside" check against genocide when polyed 13:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonbane", on T:55155 13:08 dammit 13:09 yeah, I just mean that it's not usable, the priests etc are all still around 13:09 shame 13:10 i also don't like the water plane (and not being able to blessed geno ; w/ one scroll) 13:12 I was SO disappointed the first time I got there with sea dragon mail and it didn't let me just beeline for the portal 13:12 Somehow I'd forgotten to take into consideration the blindness and the portal bubble moving all the time :-P 13:12 air plane is kinda tough these days too w/ those anti-matter thingys.. I'm still not sure when I lost my speed boots, but I have my suspicions 13:13 Haven't been since they were added 13:13 i'm just lucky i didn't kick a footrice on astral because I didn't even realize i lost my boots until the dumplog 13:13 Unfortunately I am sadly lacking in ranged combat, nothing but magic missile really 13:13 at least you have the best one! 13:14 Well, it is a great spell, but I can only cast it a finite number of times once I pick up the amulet 13:14 that's always my weakness too. I'm working on building alternatives to mm 13:14 yeah that's why I love having eota 13:14 And even then only if I keep wearing a robe instead of what I really want, protection 13:14 I'm gonna wish for mitre in this lawful game 13:15 helps somewhat but you can only invoke every so often 13:15 Gotta go turn every last one of my potions into full healing, energy, or smoky now 13:16 yeah I screwed up in my game because healing was smoky and I blessed a bunch trying to get a wish, thinking i'd have more to alchemize and i ended up not having enough full healings at the end. Had to altar camp for a while to get more healings, and then they exploded 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) genocided mind flayers, on T:55247 13:17 My smoky is oil this game -- I had one once where it was full healing, that was a quandry 13:17 yeah i've had that 13:18 sucks when you're down to 3 hp on astral and a djini pops out 13:18 i guess maybe don't bless them when you don't want a wish 13:18 Heh, I never noticed -- do you not get the healing then? 13:18 no 13:18 Good to know 13:19 but it's great when you're drinking them for maxhp and get a couple wishes as you do it 13:19 With no alhoons, mind flayers, or master mind flayers I guess I should replace my +7 oilskin cloth elven with speed and switch from blue dragon scale to something else 13:19 Any tips for Medusa? 13:20 range attack 13:20 Silver since I'm relying on the mirror for reflection? Gold so I can use my last magic lamp? 13:20 I use magic missile spell 13:20 fire is supposed to be good (wand, horn etc.) 13:20 Don't close with Medusa, she is stone-crazy now 13:20 yeah you don't want to melee 13:20 If you can keep one square away she'll eventually stone herself on your reflection 13:20 Can take a while tho 13:21 The first time I'd bring like 5 lizards in case you make a mistake :-) 13:21 yeah i always have multiples for medusa in eh 13:21 but you really don't want to melee 13:22 How paranoid should I be about losing the Magic Mirror? 13:23 to what? rodney? 13:23 OK thanks. I shall avoid melee 13:23 To anyone during the ascension 13:23 are you relying on it for reflection? 13:23 Yup 13:23 That's why thinking of switching out my mail for silver 13:23 Instead of gold which gives me perma-light and hence I can use my lamp for a wish 13:24 yeah... I mean i was using eyes of the overworld for MR, but when I got to that point I switched out the robe for cloak of mr and put it in my bag 13:24 sucked because the robe was dragonhide, but i couldn't risk him stealing it and not having mr 13:24 Well, my robe is my ticket to magic missile -- while I can swap around you know you never end up in the right gear for the moment :-) 13:24 then I switched back after I killed him the first time in the planes 13:24 I like to make my setup as idiot proof as possible 13:24 Cant the NPCs on astral steal the quest artifact as well? 13:25 I guess I can just use the MR necklace 13:25 it used to be less risky because he only tries to steal 1/20 times, BUT now that he isn't so easy to kill all the time it's much riskier if you have to stand there and fight him for multiple turns 13:25 Or reflection necklace, oops 13:26 I'm going with gold and using my wish to fail to get dragonbane 13:26 i took my chances and get eota in open inventory because I wanted the PW regain, plus it wouldn't have been game ending if he stole it 13:26 kept* not get 13:27 my very first 3.61 ascension (or whatever version it was when he began stealing other roles' QA), he stole PYEC from me... 13:27 so now not only did i not have MR, but Rodney DID ! so i couldn't death wand him 13:27 luckily i was able to c corpse him 13:28 i've had him steal stuff a bunch come to think of it 13:30 I hate that helms of speed can't be dragonhide 13:31 I wonder if I should even care about speed as a centaur 13:32 If I spend a wish on speed and use gold mail, it doesn't cost me a wish because I can burn my lamp... 13:32 I am just procrastinating 13:36 8 amulets of life saving is too many 13:40 yeah i had something like that too 13:40 that dude sluggoman has used about that many in his game! I think he's still in the Votd surrounded by a mob and the wizard (unless he finally "died" 13:41 I think in all my ascensions I've used life saving once (obviously could have benefited from it more, but never using the right amulet at the right time :-) 13:41 heh. yeah that's the thing you have to be wearing it ! 13:41 If I can write my own ticket I'm using Flying most of the time, breathing on water 13:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Tou Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:38507 13:41 I kept switching to magical breathing because of sea dragons/gel cubes 13:41 and water elementals 13:42 I genocide the crap out of sea dragons most of the time so I only have to worry about an amulet swap on the plane of water itself 13:42 not a bad idea 13:42 I think I'll limit myself to 3 amulets of life saving, so only 3 more than I will use 13:43 they add to score lol 13:45 Eh 13:45 They aren't worth their weight in corundum 13:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:29348 14:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7883 14:12 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:23 oh sweet a +5 ring of protection 14:24 Nice early ring! Wish there was more ring flexibility in the late game 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu), 73 points, T:497, killed by a dart 14:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:10091 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail of venom", on T:1897 14:34 ...wait, wHAT? You can have properties on DSM? 14:35 That can't be true 14:40 That would be terribly interesting 14:41 just because someone can try to wish for it doesn't mean it exists lol 14:43 Every time I see my final demon lord I get sad that I haven't gotten Tiamat again...seen her twice, got the chromatic stuff once. Sooooo nice 14:43 Think I'm 1/8 on Vecna's eye now :-( 14:44 There should be some account stats on nethackscoreboard for that :-) 14:45 Or something like a player walk of shame -- number of times blew up your own bag, etc 14:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:11945 14:48 Lucky! The best end-prize 14:49 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:3222 14:50 for sure 14:50 well, depends I guess. I mean, if you already have mr then the tools are pretty sweet too 14:51 dammit there's a water elemental that's probably gonna kill me 14:51 bah i polymorphed it and it turned into a baby white dragon 14:51 was able to kill it luckily 14:53 sucks though I've had to use my poly charges on monsters 14:53 gel cube and now that 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity", on T:3225 14:54 That's a nice kit for turn 3000 14:57 hell of a lot better than i'm doing at 12000 15:02 yeah, i've gotten the chromatic scales to drop a couple times but i'm always playing monk 15:06 OOh that would sting 15:07 I think I'm going to end up dual wielding Dirge and a lance, can't get another weapon for love or money 15:08 My god just keeps giving me crappy axes 15:08 Even at level 20 after 50k turns 15:08 #e 15:08 got some arahael bones in the mines. I'm trying to figure out what he died from from the scoreboard 15:08 Dirge and lance is a great combo 15:08 Going to surf his bones and ID all his items? :-) 15:09 Would you lance/dirge or dirge/lance? 15:09 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 771 points, T:2150, killed by an enormous rat 15:09 well yeah of course. But i'd rather not add to the bones level if it was a wand of death or something 15:09 I think it has to be lance/dirge to maximize stunning? 15:09 What I ended up doing was dirge in offhand and swapping lance or stormbringer on primary depending on what the target was 15:09 assuming you'll get crowned 15:09 My choice is between +6 shatterproof glass lance and +7 katana 15:09 haha glass lance, rad 15:09 Found it 15:10 Have not been able to get crowned, close to giving up 15:10 Can't generate enough sacrifice meat 15:10 dammit there's no tomb? he was in a spider web i wonder if that's why 15:10 he plays a lot of games. I'm having trouble finding it 15:10 it's a lot easier if you know what killed him 15:11 YO ARAHAEL ARE YOU AWAKE ? 15:11 what time is it in australia? 15:12 Wonder if I should haul the Sword of Kas with me in case I get bullwhipped to Kingdom Come 15:12 five AM I think 15:12 of course now i get cloak of mr from his bones RIGHT after i get amulet of mr 15:12 I probably would have gone for the tool 15:12 Always two there are; the master, and the thing you wear when your master has been dusted or stolen :-) 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 170 points, T:816, killed by a hobbit 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 21 points, T:134, killed by a sewer rat 15:17 sweet he had speed boots, couple enchant armor scrolls and a SACK (which i badly need) 15:18 !! 15:18 Ok I'm stopping at 20 full healing 15:18 wow that's a lot 15:19 Trying to get a couple potions of energy and failing :-) 15:19 I'm in "spin my wheels uselessly instead of killing the wizard" mode 15:21 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (copper.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 15:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:23 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:29 god i hate these gel cubes 15:30 They love you. Your fleshy parts especially. 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 mithril shield of reflection", on T:6714 15:34 wow that's a lot of early wishes 15:34 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 634 points, T:2252, killed by a rothe, while praying 15:43 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 15:44 He's got an amulet of flying too, gross 15:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a platinum amulet of reflection, on T:17413 15:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:14761 15:56 !whereis 15:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15168 15:58 !isoverthere 15:58 It would be neat if !whereis would give the current location of all evilhack players 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering an orc shaman corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:8874 16:00 I guess I have to stop procrastinating even though I'm light on death and TP wands 16:01 Now to remember where I lost my candelabrum 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:31044 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:31056 16:06 how'd you learn so many spells vaderflag?!? 16:06 you're cruising right along 16:07 not sure if you've found it yet, but detect monsters is huge to learn for wearing the eyes so you don't have to take them off and blind yourself for telepathy 16:08 (at least that's what i do ) 16:08 Skilled detect monsters is just plain good besides 16:16 I just got a ton of spellbook drops 16:16 sweet 16:16 Who's got two thumbs but not the Pw for detect monster casts? This monk. 16:16 heh 16:17 i wish spellcasting were just a little better for non-wizards (as far as PW goes) 16:18 especially since monks can get at least basic in every school 16:18 Being a dwarf might be part of the problem here 16:18 it's frustrating to say the least 16:18 But in general you're not entirely wrong 16:18 Ugh mammoths just gonna get touch of death'd from here out 16:18 they are such awesome pets (if you can keep alive) 16:19 I had 3, now just one left. 16:19 Stupid genetic engineer turned one into an ant 16:19 ugh 16:20 you can rev geno them if you really want more 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9739 16:20 i love taming those ones at the ice queen branch too 16:21 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 16:22 Oh right, I found the Ice Queen branch 16:22 exploring that'll be Fun™ 16:22 But I at least wanna finish quest before going further in that and/or tackling castle 16:22 How bad is the body armor penalty in the lategame, practically speaking, in evilhack? Make most of the npcs unkillable? 16:23 I have sea DSM to cross Medusa's with 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Kni Hum Mal Law), 889 points, T:1560, killed by a giant bat, while being terrified of a ghost 16:25 vaderflag: yeah you won't be able to hit 16:27 you couldn't hit the npcs even when it had the vanilla penalty, and i believe he made it even worse 16:27 That's a real drag 16:27 Granted he did improve monks' actual MA ability as well 16:27 monks would be way OP if you could wear armor 16:28 sometimes i'll wear sdsm in the late game in vanilla but even in vanilla it can be hard to hit stuff on astral 16:29 evil he made it impossible i'm pretty sure 16:30 I really don't want to have to wear cloak of MR all game 16:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Charon, on T:31540 16:32 huh. 16:32 Guess my pet did that on the other side of the map 16:32 poor Charon 16:36 ok Dragonbane allows me to punch away at black dragons as a monk without fear right? 16:43 it does, but I think you can lose your boots... 16:44 i lost mine somehow in the endgame 16:44 no controlling when you get that kick attack 17:00 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 2000 points, T:3606, killed by a killer bee 17:10 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:14544 17:20 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:22 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:15491 17:48 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:19689 17:50 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Pri Dwa Mal Law), 278 points, T:565, killed by a kitten 17:51 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:58 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 18:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:23 @e?giant ant 18:23 giant ant (a) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d4 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, oviparous, passes-bars 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] omghax (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:13, killed by a falling object 19:13 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 818 points, T:2365, killed by a gnomish wizard 19:24 -!- Graznop has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:34 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu) became Venus' Envoy of Balance, on T:23983 19:39 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu), 158237 points, T:24153, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 19:40 oh man 19:40 !lastgame coplate 19:40 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/coplate/evilhack/dumplog/1632680770.evil.html 19:40 Awww! Such an amazing early start 19:41 Oh my, had free action but was not wearing it 19:41 In favor of cold and poison resistance :-( 19:42 Only turns after getting crowned 19:42 That level is bones-eligible 19:42 If that's the stash too it'll be extra sweet 19:43 I see a moderate number of people playing evilhack but I only ever find bones from the same 3 or 4 19:44 And I kinda feel bad, I almost exclusively leave crap bones -- except for early deaths of pieces of crap I almost always die in non-bones locations 19:54 Hmm. I thought I had accidentally dropped my candelabrum in the wizard's tower but now I see that I have no idea where it is. Siggghhhhhhh 19:55 Oops there it is, phew 19:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:22179 19:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22181 20:06 goddamit an alhoon (must be chameleon) on oracle level 20:06 this always freaking happens to me 20:06 no digging wand 20:06 scare monster? 20:06 yeah in my bag... does that work? 20:07 They will respect it, yes 20:07 much much thanks yo 20:07 Or you can drum/bugle/horn it if it doesn't resist 20:07 i was able to get the scroll out 20:07 Early game alhoons aren't always that bad, because you are wearing junk anyway 20:08 And they don't suck your brain nearly as much as flayers do 20:08 i'm not wearing junk 20:08 and i don't want to lose grand master martial arts and my spells 20:08 it would have sucked 20:08 Ohh la la :-) Look who is fancy 20:08 they REALLY suck for monks 20:08 thanks again :) 20:09 Any time! I use a scroll to clear out the alhoons and arch-liches during Vecna's last two levels 20:09 scare + cursed invis 20:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:56359 20:10 go go 20:10 No choice now 20:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:56360 20:13 Is there *any possible* reason to carry an athama when ascending? 20:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:56432 20:17 Athame = Reliable one-turn E 20:18 Right. But is there ever a situation where the stuff giving you trouble during an ascension cares? 20:18 Seems unlikely 20:20 DL 21 i bet that coplate did leave bones. God those gel cubes suck. I had to poly for genocide earlier and get rid of them because i didn't have FA yet 20:20 Dragons respect E and they're right assholes 20:20 i bet gelatinous cubes have ruined more good starts like that than anything 20:21 i hope they keep playing. I know how discouraging that can be 20:21 otoh I haven't been to DL 21 yet... 20:22 i bet those dragonhide speed boots would fit 20:23 WAIT WHAT, confused scrolls of confuse monster confuse you in evilhack? 20:23 That is AMAZING 20:23 How did I not know that 20:23 i know cursed ones do 20:23 Saves so much weight 20:24 I feel like a fool now 20:24 is that what you mean? cursed? 20:24 Hah, sorry, yeah 20:24 that's vanilla shit 20:24 Mental flarp 20:24 Really? Since when? 20:24 sometimes i forget to forget a spell i'll do that in the planes 20:24 It wasn't that way in 1993 when I decided to always blank confuse monster :-) 20:25 heh.. yeah I blank them once i've forgotten a spell 20:25 Well I normally carry 5 potions of blessed confusion on ascension, so I just shaved 75 aum of weight from my BoH 20:26 nice 20:26 why not just learn a spell ? 20:27 Because forgotten spells aren't guaranteed confusion in 1 turn, they are junk when ascending. I use them for all stash-confusions of course 20:27 Even in vanilla it takes a few goes to get just confused, which is awkward if one is in a hurry 20:27 ^ that 20:27 true 20:27 If I'd blown that scroll just 10 turns later I could have used the confusion to tame all this crap...ah well 20:28 yeah I didn't know about confused taming for the longest time. Or I guess I did, but never remembered 20:28 I've always used confused taming and, yeah, being able to be confused _right now_ is huge 20:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed the giant high priest of Moloch, on T:56634 20:33 damn. jousting without a mount looks like so much fun 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:56639 20:35 It is pretty slick 20:35 I'm waiting for my lance to break at just the wrong moment, I have no good alternative 20:36 I got worried when the balrog grabbed it and threw it down 20:36 how do you have so much PW? 20:39 gain energy? 20:40 Knights tend to have solid power banks 20:40 Generally speaking 20:47 Yeah I went through a bunch of gain energy potions 20:48 An artifact of using a staff of divination for ID early in the game and being impatient 20:48 I've got a +7 katana and the Sword of Kas in my bag too just in case 20:48 When I hit my stash on 10 I might decide to take a backup lance, but SO heavy... 20:49 "slippery shield", cool 20:51 Ugh, do not like: peaceful NPC I don't want to fight blocking access to a hostile NPC with a wand of death 20:51 Just bait the hostile into killing them for you :^) 20:51 Also you should be able to displace them I'd think 20:52 Trying not to waste turns to minimize wizards, and I am super-low on death so I want that wand without any more shots being fired :-) 20:56 What are the MR odds for the wizard these days? 50%? 20:56 Yes 20:56 50% chance of either MR or reflection 21:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Cen Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:57320 21:56 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34 am I not supposed to be able to name fumble boots? 22:40 Fumbled the naming, did you? ;) 22:40 * arahael doesn't honestly know, but can't resist the pun. 22:46 your bones helped me a ton earlier, arahael! 22:46 speed boots and a badly needed sack 22:46 Which one? I left several astonishingly good ones. Ah, that narrows it down enough. :) 22:46 speed boots and sacks are awesome. 22:46 giant spider in the mines 22:47 Nice. :) 22:49 Something with a wand of striking in soko. :( Luckily, I've just now put in the last boulder. 22:55 god i hate that 22:55 not as bad as polymorph (or death) but it's next 22:59 Man, those energy vortexes are so dangerious. Managed to get to the stairs, only to be engulfed with what would be the last time I'd survive it. 22:59 But luckily, a wand of striking took all 17 remaining HP it had. Amazing. 23:01 yeah i energy vortices suck 23:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:27564 23:02 And dead. Straight after the energy vortex, an ettin mummy appeared, which then imediately dispatched my ancient psuedodragon. 23:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 7438 points, T:10061, killed by an ettin mummy 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 103251 points, T:33696, killed by a giant centipede 23:03 fucking alhoons 23:03 In hind sight, I should've dropped a few things as I was burdened, but I never had the chance. 23:06 -!- agrius has joined #evilhack 23:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:42 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection]