00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] demonsdemon (Inf Gia Fem Una), 66 points, T:343, killed by a falling rock 02:35 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:23 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:35 OMG paranoid water/lava 03:38 at least it's off by default :b 03:47 wtf EASYBABYHACK 03:47 \o/ 03:58 I thought for sure it was gonna be the joke suggestion of the water hitting you 04:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 04:38 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:13 what other more big good for less sad things could there be 05:13 I guess invent showing prices whilst in a shop would be kinda epic 05:13 so you don't have to drop things all the time for price ID I mean 05:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:48 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 06:36 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1613 points, T:3138, killed by a goblin shaman, while sleeping 07:07 yeah but he just has to wait for me to implement that 07:07 save some effort 07:08 for an option called 'paranoid swim' by the game, this sure goes to a lot of effort to say "water/lava" a lot :P 07:08 ooh are you gonna add that then? 07:09 if so that's pretty awesome 07:09 I don't see why not at least try to get a proof of concept (it sounds like one of those things that could be sneakily nasty when you actually sit down to do it) 07:09 it's not currently planned for a particular version 07:10 \o/ 07:10 and actually, it wouldn't work for 3.4.3 variants at all 07:10 because sell price used to be non deterministic 07:10 yeah 07:11 it could randomise it every time you opened invent perhaps still (but permanent invent problems with that I suppose) 07:12 I do like how the paranoid swim behavior goes out of its way to preserve like, 2% of the interface screw that used to exist. it's like evilhack just couldn't bring itself to get rid of it entirely 07:13 I mean, I don't like the behavior, but I like the petulant "ugh FINE I will add the stupid feature but there's still gonna be a small consequence for typos!!!" 07:13 its because I hate shoes 07:13 otherwise it wouldnt have been added 07:13 truly the anti-slex 07:14 are we happy now team whine? :) 07:15 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:16 happIER 07:17 nooo dont say slex or amy will find this irc log and rant about every mention of slex in her commits 07:17 I will be happy if the xnethack paranoid memeing from this quarter dies down ;) 07:18 oh that's true, less memeing :( 07:18 lol 07:18 hey NetSysFire 07:18 slexslexslexslexslexslex 07:20 "slex save" i really awkward to pronounce 07:20 *is 07:23 haha 07:23 we could fill the void of less xnh memeing with more bobble hat memes 07:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:39 #evilhack is the secret channel for making fun of slex! since amy hopefully only checks the #hdf log 07:39 just kidding 07:39 xnh is kidna cool but no readable hawaiian bobble hats :// 07:40 'lo 07:40 What am I missing 07:40 xnh meming 07:51 readable hawaiian bobble hats are now slated for 8.0. as a bonus, the design of the hawaiian bobble hat will be expressed visually in the html dumplog 07:52 * amateurhour gasps 07:53 I can't believe xnh is the best variant by default 07:53 the best variant is amateurhack 07:53 it doesn't exist yet so is 100% bug free 07:55 rofl 07:56 10 PRINT "HI" 20 GOTO 10 RUN <--- amateurhack 08:01 I don't believe K2 actually knows BASIC because I have seen no evidence that he can write a program other than this one 08:02 if that's BASIC, and it's a valid program, then I know BASIC :P 08:02 (not that I know BASIC. most ancient language I know is FORTRAN) 08:03 in middle school I wrote a hangman game in BASIC, complete with a starting graphic that had a noose hanging from the 'g' and blood dripping off of it 08:03 o_o 08:03 i have no idea how i wrote it. way too long ago 08:04 https://xkcd.com/323/ 08:04 this was on an Apple IIc 08:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 08:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 08:04 NetSysFire lol 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] joes (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 949 points, T:1386, killed by a rabid dog 08:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:38 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:01 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:03 morning 09:03 qt: Message from K2 at 2021-09-14 21:48 EDT: sounds good, enjoy the book, gnite! 09:03 'lo 09:05 mobileuser: how does the 'I' filter work? you were saying you used it a lot right? 09:05 Hi 09:05 Hello mobileuser, Welcome to #evilhack 09:05 does it just get things with an unknown type, or anything that's not fully identified 09:06 It selects all items from a container that are eligible for identification I think 09:06 like if you had a known 'uncursed +0 ring mail" but haven't ided it to find the rustproof status, it would select it? 09:08 I think so, yes 09:09 that can leak information about oprops the way evilhack currently has formal ID working 09:09 if you know everything else about an item, but there's an oprop you don't know about, it will be selected in the list 09:10 K2: any thoughts on this? 09:11 isn't that fine? it's not formally identified, and it sounds like a hell of a setup to 'abuse' it 09:12 it does feel like maybe not that big a deal 09:12 though any inherently fooproof armor like dragonhide or crystal you could check whether it's magical once you've dropped it on an altar and tried it on 09:13 oprops are easy to figure out, especially on weapons 09:14 its a minor detail but definitely not a show stopper 09:14 0.7.1 is becoming the 'more big good for less sad' QoL release 09:14 did you see my latest commit qt? :D 09:15 no, i will look 09:16 i'd like to take this moment to announce my formal resignation from the evilhack project. it clearly has become victim to a process akin to regulatory capture and subsequently has drifted away from its original vision 09:17 the nethack ronin was never tied down like that anyway 09:17 even marriage proposals weren't enough 09:18 i've become a corporate pawn 09:18 K2: if you think that's not a big deal the PR should be fine, but please take a look at it and see whether you notice any deficiencies... it's complicated bc the different commands and menustyles mean it's spread out across a bunch of functions 09:18 i will 09:18 qt fear not! becuase of that last commit, I now must add something truly evil to balance things out 09:18 like 'I' uses a different process than 'D' which comes from a different function than '#loot', and they each use different functions depending on whether menustyle is 'full' or 'traditional' 09:19 qt you have some unrelated changes in that PR 09:19 I think I covered everything in the PR but I might be forgetting something 09:19 oh what is it? 09:19 src/dog.c 09:19 yeah i did git commit --all i think 09:19 oh oops 09:19 that was committed already anyway i thought 09:20 it was 09:20 why isn't it marked as a merge conflict in github, does it not conflict if it's exactly the same change? 09:21 weird 09:21 its definitely part of the repo now 09:22 thanks amateurhour 09:23 i guess it must not be a conflict if the change is identical to one that was already made 09:24 huh why is windows build failing now 09:24 it says 'win_bison is not recognized as a command' 09:24 that's not something i did surely 09:25 sometimes the workflow cant grab the necessary files it needs to run the build 09:25 when that happens I just tell it to rerun the workflow 09:26 cuz I hate seeing the red x 09:26 yeah it's very accusatory 09:26 YOU BROKE IT!! YOU BROKE IT! 09:26 lol 09:27 i just told it to re-run all jobs 09:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2846 points, T:2467, poisoned by a killer bee 09:28 there it goes... 09:29 all green 09:29 cool 09:30 just making sure - any other changes you want to make to this PR? or shall I pull it? 09:30 idk i think it's okay but please test it out when you have a chance 09:31 i will 09:31 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±10] https://git.io/JuNcw 09:31 [EvilHack] entrez 1872d1d - Add option to filter by unidentified in item menus 09:31 [EvilHack] k21971 be042b9 - Merge pull request #70 from entrez/unidentified-lootmenu 09:35 brb 09:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (copper.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 09:49 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1046 points, T:1276, killed by a rock gnome 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 75 points, T:160, killed by an electric shock 10:03 qt, initial testing looks good 10:17 [hdf-us] [evil] joes (Cav Gia Fem Neu), 7870 points, T:7568, killed by a death ray 10:17 -!- mobileuser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:20 oh, there's a problem 10:22 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 10:23 when you use 'I' when dropping/looting it gets permanently applied to future actions 10:24 i missed this https://termbin.com/jrpdd 10:25 once again continuing my track record of noticing things only when the patch gets merged 10:26 this is the way 10:29 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JuNzJ 10:29 [EvilHack] k21971 9ec6c8d - Follow-up to last commit (filter by unidentified). 10:35 so... 39-40 commits already for 0.7.1 10:35 is there anything else save-breaking that should/could go in? hmm 10:36 i feel as if release is near. very near 10:36 an oracle role which starts with a woodchuck named carl as pet 10:36 :) 10:36 i am making too many carl the woodchuck jokes 10:37 oh no. there's no such thing 10:37 we can never have enough carl mentions 10:37 CARL 10:37 CARL 10:37 \o/ 10:37 crossbow of carl 10:37 *CARL 10:37 maybe amateurhour will finally play evilhack with paranoid swim 10:37 but i doubt it :) 10:38 you mean paranoid_water, paranoid_lava *and* paraoid_trap 10:38 is it live? 10:38 ugh no i'm not adding paranoid trap 10:38 amateurhour no not yet 10:38 i feel like it could be very soon 10:38 I find paranoid_trap actually a bit annoying 10:38 same 10:38 YES I REALLY 10:39 i always accidentally run into discovered traps when i run somewhere 10:39 i already feel dirty and ashamed just adding paranoid swim 10:39 aww no you are adding qol features 10:39 fast forward to a year from now and we catch K2 using it 10:39 exactly 10:39 and he will use vikeys 10:40 QoL is a different category I feel 10:40 i should make using paranoid swim a conduct 10:40 making boring stuff easier 10:41 colour makes the game easier 10:41 i should add something really evil... E-VEEL, to balance out what I've just done 10:42 like what 10:42 i dont know 10:42 you've already nerfed teleporting crystal chests :-( 10:43 a captcha that appears briefly then disappears, you then have to type the exact letters that appeared 10:43 maybe unnethack's disintegration vorticies 10:43 if you make any typos, you DIE 10:43 muahaha! 10:43 or disintegration spheres 10:43 hah 10:43 this warms my evil heart 10:45 i have a better idea 10:46 monster that steals your stuff and then levelports 10:46 just like slexslexslexslexslexslex 10:46 oh god lol 10:46 there's a difference between being evil and just being an asshole :) 10:46 already exists NetSysFire 10:46 nymphs? :P 10:47 they dont levelport/branchport though 10:47 levelport 10:47 takes ur cursed scroll of tele 10:47 >:) 10:47 *spawns with a cursed scroll of tele 10:47 it sometimes happens :-) 10:48 another idea, if the kops kill you, your bones will end up in one of those special rooms with the iron bar cage in the center 10:48 haha 10:49 master nymphs: spawn in gehennom or during your ascension run, steal your stuff and always have a cursed scroll of tele 10:49 or demon nymphs or whatever 10:50 in grunthack, vlad always spawns with 2 cursed scrolls of tele 10:50 so i assume you are lawful evil? 10:51 why you always attack with wand of fire or fireball spell first 10:51 i'm not sure what my alignment is 10:51 i am a complex mix 10:52 actual evil isnt in there though. i just play evil on TV 10:52 you have your own tv show?! 10:52 Simon's flavor of evil (mobileuser will get it) 10:53 hahah no :P 10:53 lol 10:54 well but K2 what if the nymph spawned with a scroll of charging? 10:54 oh my 10:54 that could be... interesting 10:54 or genocide even! 10:54 you dont want to burn that 10:55 if your charisma is 18 or greater, nymph shopkeepers become 'aroused' and seduce you, taking all your stuff, then will charge you for your gear if you want it back 10:56 lol didnt know that 10:56 oh no lol they dont do that... i should have put EPI in front of that 10:56 its an Idea™ 10:56 monsters dont use scrolls of genocide in evilhack 10:57 yes but they are useful to you as the player 10:57 so you dont want to burn them by blindly attacking them with fire 10:57 hah 11:26 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:26 EASYBABYHACK! 11:27 easybabybhaak 11:27 hah 11:28 unnethack, loosely translated from dutch, means 'easybabyhack' 11:29 bhaak, you should re-add anti-matter vorticies. make unnethack great again 11:34 why did you remove them? no mention in the commit as to why 11:35 I mean they seemed distinctly not-fun anyway 11:46 they're loads of fun 11:46 when you're engulfed and they are disintegrating you, it tickles 11:54 K2: i think you mistranslated t hat. gnollhack translates to easybabyhack 11:55 heh 11:56 did you try shattered pixel dungeon yet btw? 11:57 no 11:59 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 838 points, T:1735, killed by a giant spider 12:05 someone make a variant called shuttered pixel dungeon, when you open the game it just prints "the dungeon is permanently closed due to COVID" 12:05 winning 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1372 points, T:2200, killed by a giant mosquito 12:27 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JuNph 12:27 [EvilHack] k21971 ec1639c - Fix: illithids should not be able to use brain-sucking tentacle attack while engulfed. 12:27 glad I remembered that one 12:27 :( 12:30 YANI: illithids and mindflayer polyforms gain extra nutrition from eating the brains of spellcasting and telepathic monsters 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed joes' ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:998 12:31 mmm dessert! 12:35 why would that give more nutrition than eating a normal brain? 12:38 something something "higher intelligence" 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1415 points, T:1380, killed by a bolt of fire, while being terrified of a ghost 12:56 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided quivering blobs, on T:71362 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 702 points, T:1298, poisoned by a kobold zombie 13:08 https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0031.html 13:09 K2: they were both wildley unpopular and OP 13:09 *wildly 13:09 every single time you touched, them, dinitegration occurred correct? 13:09 ugh 13:10 *disintegration 13:11 * NetSysFire spawns a beholder 13:12 yes 13:12 yup, can see that 13:15 literally? 13:15 i heard if you have an disintegration gaze you can look through schemes more easily 13:19 :) 13:27 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1360 points, T:1772, quit 13:32 disintegration is kinda derivative 13:36 what I really hate about nethack culture are the puns 13:37 I'm surprised there are no disintegration/calculus puns in the game already 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 195 points, T:367, killed by a boulder 13:39 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Mon Gia Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3308 13:44 puns are a degenerate form of humor 13:49 :) 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Mon Gia Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:4831 14:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] joes (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1157 points, T:4251, killed by a giant spider 14:09 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:14 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:73248 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Mon Gia Fem Cha), 14377 points, T:7344, killed by a death ray 14:20 D: 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible krm26's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:4594 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible krm26's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:4608 14:38 double bones? 15:16 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:19 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 15:37 Paranoid lava! Centaur knights! Dramborleg!! 15:38 Coming in .7.1? 15:38 I don't see centaur knight pickable in char creation yet 15:38 centaur knight double wielding lances :-) 15:40 tinklebear gonna like that 15:40 I'm really curious if that is going to be totally OP 15:42 Ok how can I tell from a github commit which version it applies to - if it's just master branch without a specific version tag, it's a coming soon feature? 15:44 Yes, I suppose master will become .7.1 15:46 yup 15:46 0.7.1 15:46 release imminent 15:46 working on one more thing 15:47 some more evil to balance out the recent goodness 15:47 lol 15:47 :) 15:47 Y'all checked to see whether K2 was a pod person victim when he announced paranoid lava/water right? 15:47 hahahah 15:48 It's pragmatic evil 15:48 The less people die to typos into water/lava the more time they can spend appreciating being blendered by the everything else 15:49 this^ 15:51 Let's see... new shields, digging zombies, wtf wumpus riding in Vlad tower 15:51 That sounds like an excellent way to die 15:53 this is what is coming soon to a theater near you - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/doc/evilhack-changelog.md#version-071 15:56 Groovy. I picked a good time to rotate back to some nethack 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 11056 points, T:8140, killed by a magic missile 16:06 evil idea: kops can instakill you by "arresting" you on low health (like 5% or something) 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4001 points, T:6512, poisoned by a bone orcish arrow 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:33129 16:14 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 334 points, T:666, killed by a wand 16:16 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Val Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:34661 16:23 hey qt 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 314 points, T:774, killed by touching Secespita 16:25 !lastgame krm26 16:25 NetSysFire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1631736911.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1623895588.evil.html 16:28 Rolled the dice on that one and won several times before luck ran out! 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 282 points, T:531, killed by a piranha 16:31 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack! 16:32 so this commit here - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/dfe95207d0f4e8232d582732176c254220eb3c5e 16:32 doing that, player giants are no longer MZ_HUGE 16:32 they can be engulfed :) 16:32 and wear body armor 16:32 etc 16:32 :O 16:32 they're treated as being human sized 16:33 * NetSysFire looks at Umbire 16:33 wow 16:33 now I know why that bit of code was there 16:33 that's evil 16:33 is that the evil you meant 16:33 no 16:33 okay, great 16:33 now we know what the problem was 16:33 yup 16:33 so if that isnt the right place for that to go 16:33 give me a minute to look into it 16:34 where's the best place to set this? u_init.c ? 16:34 ok no rush 16:34 just wanted to point that out 16:36 Oh ballsacks. 16:36 ...wait, I misread. 16:36 ...neat! 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 442 points, T:834, killed by a gnome lady 16:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:8, killed by a water moccasin 16:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 627 points, T:1582, killed by a giant bat 16:46 really for the evil? 16:46 ... 16:46 READY for the evil? 16:46 tell me the most evil thing you have ever done 16:46 this is my 'make me feel better after adding paranoid water/lava' commit 16:46 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±8] https://git.io/JuAQQ 16:46 [EvilHack] k21971 ce0a2c3 - New monster - antimatter vortex. 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Val Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:38839 16:47 YOU REPLACED FOG CLOUDS?! 16:48 :/ 16:48 wow.... cool 16:48 Two of them, specifically 16:48 :) 16:49 hmmmmm 16:49 Looks like we'll have to start boojum hunting 16:50 They seem primed to be late game shit, but this still bodes poorly 16:50 one thing K2 :-) 16:51 If I choose to play without paranoid lava/water, antimatter vortex should not exist ;-) 16:51 lol 16:51 OK 16:51 ... DIRGE 16:51 \o/ 16:51 HYPE 16:51 wooo 16:52 ok i gotta go, back soon 16:54 ebil 16:55 K2 loves player complaints so much that when he acquiesces to one demand, he simultaneously adds in something else that has been removed from another variant because so many people complained about it being unfun and lame 16:56 can i dip e.g boots i am wearing into forges? 16:56 I think you can but I take them off to be safe 16:59 they are cursed fumble boots so i'd like to burn them 17:00 Oh lol 17:01 Give it a go if you like but you're liable to damage yourself, I'd figure 17:01 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:11 why do player giants retain their special body armor restrictions, but racial hobbits and gnomes don't? 17:11 kind of weird 17:12 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 280 points, T:675, killed by a gas spore's explosion 17:14 i found a magic trap on dlvl 1 and i havent even tried the stairs down yet and i am already xl 7 and got 3 additional charisma from it 17:19 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:41297 17:20 awwww its gone now 17:21 got to xp 8 on dlvl 1 17:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:22 NetSysFire yes you can dip worn objects into a forge 17:22 you prob already found that out by now 17:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 6029 points, T:6290, killed by brainlessness 17:23 nooooooooooooo 17:24 rip :-( 17:24 i even got a boh from milking the magic trap 17:24 hmm does the material of a boh matter? if its e.g leather or dragonhide? 17:25 not as far as function of the BoH is concerned, no 17:25 but if you find one made of dragonhide, already fireproof 17:26 wait they can burn up? 17:27 oooh yes 17:27 they can burn 17:27 dont walk over lava with unfooproofed things in open inventory. including your bag :) 17:28 do all of the items burn up or just the bag 17:28 bag burns, stuff falls out into the lava 17:28 you can salvage objects that dont burn 17:29 i think pretty much everyone here has learned this the hard way :) 17:30 hah 17:32 K2: i'm giving up on this for now, you can just add back the permonst modification thing I guess... it's turning out to be a really big project to do this the right way and I don't feel like tackling it right now when it was working ok before 17:32 gotcha 17:32 thanks for looking 17:33 i knew i wasnt crazy. well, too crazy 17:33 it's worth adding a giant comment above it 17:34