00:04 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7517 00:04 -!- Guest7517 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 00:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 00:08 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Tou Hob Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3454 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Tou Hob Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3599 00:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:9314 01:35 Hmmpf. Was hoping for a BoH, but a magic marker will be _awesome_ for the wizard, anyway. 01:39 Hmm. Strangled in a gelatinious cube. 01:42 Well, that was a *very* near thing. 01:42 And the damn thing didn't leave a corpse. 03:24 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 44189 points, T:14160, killed by an elven lady 03:24 That was a wierdly brutal elven lady. 03:36 I hope that becomes a bones. 03:37 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 164 points, T:371, killed by a mountain dwarf 05:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:65083 07:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2312 points, T:3844, killed by a bolt of cold 07:40 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 08:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 315 points, T:1347, killed by a bolt of lightning 08:02 * arahael sighs. 08:04 how shocking 08:11 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1609 points, T:1038, killed by a rothe 08:11 NetSysFire: How do you like the Illithids? 08:12 they are fragile but learning to handle them helps a bit 08:12 their passive brain eating attack is nice, psionic wave is also pretty good 08:12 Yep, indeed. psionic wave is amazing in the early game. 08:12 Still, I struggle immensely. 08:12 I still play like a monk :( 08:13 i havent tried wiz yet because i mainly play illithid infidel 08:13 I think that's harder, because you won't be able to psionic quite as often. 08:14 Surprisingly, their appallingly low strength is less of a huge deal than you'd expect. 08:14 definitely 08:14 i am compiling my own list of tips for infidel but it isnt ready yet 08:15 you basically need a gop if you can get one. you also dont get intrinsic speed so you will also need a quantum mechanic 08:15 I'd love to see that list when you're ready. :) 08:15 yay \o/ 08:16 GoP is good, though AC is better. Speed boots are good, too. In one of my earlier games today I had to toss up between a wooden GoP or dragonbane. And I went with dragonbane. 08:16 But it was a near thing. :( 08:16 i think strength is also important because of carrying capacity 08:17 Once you're flying it doesn't matter so much, though, I think. 08:17 I try to mount my pseudodragon asap. 08:17 i play petless 08:17 whats the best material for gop btw? i usually go with stone 08:18 can you make it dragonhide? 08:18 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 220 points, T:430, killed by a hobbit 08:18 You can't make it dragonhide. 08:18 Stone's the highest AC you can get for GoP. 08:19 +2 or +3 stone gop should be plenty AC 08:20 Yeah, just had a weird game earlier today where I found a wooden gop *and* a dragonbane just laying there in a shop. 08:20 wow nice 08:20 i thought you got dragonbane from a wish 08:20 this is why i thought you had to choose 08:21 Yeah, I had to choose simply because there's only one gloves slot. :D 08:21 I'd never wish for a wooden gop! 08:22 Though, if it was an early wish and I didn't have either... I think I'd definitely go for the gop because it won't come with the owner. 08:22 what gloves did you have? gauntlets of protection? 08:23 gauntlets of power and dragonbane. 08:23 oh nevermind its evilhack 08:23 it was changed in there 08:25 :) 08:25 I think evilhack has gauntlets of protection as well? 08:26 it does 08:27 as an illithid infidel is usually go for strength since you can have skilled in shortsword 08:27 and fire and frost brand are both shortswords 08:27 Ah, nice. 08:27 I'm generally pretty inexperienced as far as weapons are concerned. 08:27 I mostly go for daggers. 08:28 Or the starting staff, at least for the early game, but I eventually switdch. 08:28 silver elvish shortsword would be something very nice 08:29 dagger is nice but you need something stronger as an infidel quickly 08:29 staves are also nice since they give you a bonus to spellcasting and also deal okay damage 08:29 Yeah, because your amulet keeps draining you. 08:29 yes psionic wave costs 5 pw 08:30 oh one thing thats really nice as an illithid, if you lost intelligence somehow, e.g by a potion of sickness, you can restore it easy by normal melee combat since you can eat brains 08:31 thats really nice 08:31 Ooh, that's nice to know, I've never had an issue with int as an illithid, that could be why. 08:31 a ring of gain consitution is also good to have early game so your health has a better chance to develop 08:31 Illithids seem to have good PW generation as they gain experience, though I dont know if it's neccessarily better than the other roles. 08:32 I always wear those rings if I start with them identified. 08:34 poison res is really important so if i find one of those poison res rings i will try to get the intrinsic resistance asap 08:34 thats not really restricted to illithid though 08:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1637 points, T:1612, killed by a gnomish wizard, while sleeping off a magical draught 08:34 also did anyone ascend an illithid infidel yet? 08:35 I do struggle heaps with poison resistance. 08:35 * arahael struggles heaps with illithid in general. 08:35 My most successful games are always monks. 08:35 I just find illithids so fun, though. :) 08:36 I just haven't quite figured out how to make it so that I don't randomly suddenly die. 08:36 (you can also get lucky and get dragonbane by sacrificing) 08:37 Doubt it. 08:37 I have ascended all Infidel starting races except illithid 08:37 Oh? You meant really seriously freaking lucky. 08:37 what do you doubt arahael? 08:37 mobileuser: That you can get dragonbane by sac'ing. :) 08:38 I have gotten dragonbane that way multiple times :-) 08:38 step 1: get XL high enough so that gifts will always be an artifact 08:38 step 2: be extremely patient at altar camping 08:39 I tend to fail at both those steps! 08:39 heh 08:40 NetSysFire: One thing I'm very very slowly learning is that it's probably best not to do the mines first. 08:40 i tend to go a few levels deeper than the mines, train a bit and then go back up and down into the mines 08:40 my most successful game was ended by a locust though 08:41 My most successful games so far tend to be "go down deep, until you hit the big room then get the feck out of that... Then do the mines then go back". 08:41 hmm 08:41 * NetSysFire notes down 08:42 i usually have a problem with food because of the spellcasting 08:42 That's odd. 08:42 Ah! 08:42 I never have that problem because I'm a wizard. 08:42 So as an illithid, due to the high int, I always have hungerless casting. 08:42 you know what would be really evil? if arch liches, master mind flayers, alhoons and the like were not genocidable but i never encountered them without polymorph so far 08:43 They're not. :) 08:43 You have to defeat vecna first, now. 08:43 K2: idea: you could give Hecubus an evilhack cloak 08:43 and Beholder could have a hardfought one 08:43 like evilhack/bot/Hecubus or hardfought/bot/Beholder 08:44 arahael: i never even reached the big room so far 08:44 That said, I often do the mines first, regardless. 08:44 hah same 08:44 good source of proteins 08:45 Indeed. 08:45 Though I've lost my psuedodragon already. :( 08:45 Riding your psuedodragon is *awesome*. 08:45 So you really do want to keep it around. 08:46 you get a lesser homunculus as an illithid infidel but i prefer to play petless 08:46 Ah. 08:46 Still, the psuedodragon you get as a wizard is _awesome_. 08:46 And a very rare pet. 08:47 yeah it doesnt get generated naturally i heard 08:47 As monk I never really play with the pet, but these psueodragons are just too good. 08:47 They're ridable (when they grow up), and they fly. 08:48 you know what i *really* love as an infidel? you can go into jewelry and armor shops and try on every unidentified armor, mainly boots, cloaks, rings and helmets to identify them 08:48 also amulets but if you get an amulet of change it will disintegrate and you still have to pay for it 08:49 That'd be awesome. 08:49 i really like infidels because they are weldproof 08:49 I have to be careful because if I wear something cursed, I can't take it off and if it's heavy... That's jjust nuts. 08:50 yeah be careful around gray stones as an infidel, dropping it may take a turn 08:50 so dont do it while you are surrounded by ants 08:50 I just psionic attack ants. :) 08:51 its not an aoe attack so it doesnt help if you are surrounded 08:52 Try not to get surrounded :) 08:56 Oh, I'm in a bad spot. 08:56 Fallen down a shaft to a deep level, and there's way too many monsters. 08:56 literally? 08:56 hah 08:56 Well, I'm also in a bad state, too - state of NSW, Australia. ;) 08:57 My sister's family has covid. :( 08:57 i heard team s is common there 08:57 oh my condolences 08:57 * NetSysFire gives unihorn to arahael 08:57 We do need a blessed unihorn. 08:57 Isn't Australia in a weird situation where half the states are pretending COVID doesn't exist and half aren't? 08:58 Pinkbeast: NSW is the state that thinks we should live with it and open up. All the other states are doing their darnest to keep covid out. It's pretty nasty at the moment. 09:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2872 points, T:2646, killed by a mountain dwarf 09:03 * arahael mutters to himself: "Must avoid the mines". 09:04 hah 09:07 NetSysFire: Oh, one super risky strategy I sometimes do is deliberately eat poisonous corpses, then burden myself until my str gets back up. 09:08 haha i do the same but then i risk quaffing fountains sometimes 09:08 killer bees are partially poisonous for example 09:08 nightmares are also pretty tasty 09:09 * arahael does ONE level of the mines. 09:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 256 points, T:710, killed by a gnome lady 09:09 Damn it. 09:09 hah 09:13 On the plus side, I managed to have exactly a power-of-2 in points in that game. 09:14 0 is also a power-of-2 09:14 2⁰ 09:15 You sure about that? 09:16 i am bad at maths but i am going the bold route here 09:16 0 is not a power of anything 09:16 except 0 09:16 NetSysFire: Anything raised to the zeroth power is 1. 09:17 fuck 09:17 exponents, how do they work?! 09:17 Nobody knows! 09:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1120 points, T:2248, killed by a giant beetle 09:37 go team a! 10:21 only non zero numbers raised to the zeroth power is 1 10:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 22851 points, T:10641, killed by an earth elemental 10:49 i think it was a chameleon. should have prayed when i was engulfed tho. tried to hit it one last time 10:51 I think i'm gonna give elf a break though for a bit. It's all yours elenmirie! 11:17 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:40 NetSysFire i've been meaning to do that (irc cloak) 11:48 Hey K2. 11:48 Have a few questions regarding Giant Samurai. 11:48 hey 11:48 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 11:53 The large splint mail they start with can't be worn by non-Giants, right? 11:53 Or is it something no other non-giant Samurai can wear, or what? 11:53 I know there was some kind of restriction around them but I forget its nature. 11:54 only giant samurai can wear it 11:54 is that the only armor giants can wear? 11:54 torso non-cloak ones i mean 11:55 there is one other 11:55 it you defeat tiamat and she drops chromatic scales, any player giant can wear it 12:01 will that still be true after dtsund dsm? 12:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3166 12:11 dunno if ro how i'll incorporate dtsund dsm 12:11 or 12:11 thats a good question 12:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 4017 points, T:4260, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a potion 12:14 amateurhour i wouldnt screw over giants and chromatic scales 12:14 so i'd make it work 12:14 somehow 12:14 epic cloak on giant monks \o/ 12:15 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L26 12:15 btw if you want a story to make neutral knights real so we can get epic centaur knights 12:16 the quest could be a jousting tournament 12:16 :) 12:16 dtsund? 12:16 name of player that suggested dsm changes that are in xnh 12:16 o 12:17 So you're gonna have both DSM and scale-able mail? 12:17 Wait no, you said you dunno if or how 12:18 i'm still thinking 12:18 it wont/cant be anything in current version, so it'll be awhile 12:19 amateurhack wont have dsm at all 12:19 amateur players can't get dsm anyway 12:56 i think master kaen should be a giant and drop a giant robe 12:57 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest418 12:57 -!- Guest418 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:57 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:03 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3695 13:03 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:06 -!- Guest3695 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 9473 points, T:5822, quit 13:38 !who 13:38 K2: [hdf-us] Umbire [evil] :: [hdf-eu] rebatela [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 14:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 4394 points, T:4435, killed by a chameleon imitating a zruty 14:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 10173 points, T:6800, killed by a gnoll 14:35 arahael: not going into the mines and descending into the big room leads to stronger monsters being spawned because of the amulet 15:04 huh yeah, I guess infidels want to minimize their max dungeon level 15:09 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 15:09 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 15:11 Note for later, that. 15:14 It's already in my notes ;-) 15:14 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Mobileuser/Infidel if any of you haven't seen it yet :) 15:19 I've skimmed it previously, yeah 15:24 hmm 15:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 6816 points, T:9389, killed by a dwarf lord 15:29 mobileuser: do you swap out the starting dagger with an elvish one? 15:32 arahael: not going into the mines and descending into the big room leads to stronger monsters being spawned because of the amulet <-- that's false 15:33 see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/40cc4f25d9c0c848f3bffebecde029bdc4fce5f9 15:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1705 points, T:2183, killed by a giant cockroach 15:43 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7602 15:43 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:46 -!- Guest7602 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (green slimes), on T:465 15:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 499 points, T:968, killed by a large mimic 15:49 NetSysFire I do try to see if other daggers do more damage 15:51 K2 interesting 15:52 No more worries about descending quickly? 15:52 do you get the demigod flag by just having the amulet? 15:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 no, its an event 15:55 killing the wiz 15:56 but if you have the amulet, but have not killed the wizard, is monster generation computed based on current dungeon level or on maximum dungeon level reached? 15:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 687 points, T:1370, killed by a rock gnome 15:56 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/40cc4f25d9c0c848f3bffebecde029bdc4fce5f9/src/dungeon.c#L1623 15:56 still max dungeon level reached afaict 15:57 so not false :) 15:57 Ah, I won't change my notes then :-) 15:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (green slimes), on T:579 16:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 525 points, T:1074, killed by a mountain dwarf 16:02 F 16:02 I'm trying an illithid convict right now 16:02 dammit amateurhour 16:02 sounds interesting 16:02 i hate you 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Gia Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:53018 16:03 good 16:03 i hope it stays broken. i hope the ticks of a thousand camels infest your armpits 16:03 kidding, HUGS 16:04 * NetSysFire summons insects on K2, especially locusts 16:05 K2 eats locusts as a snack 16:05 i think Tomsod intended this 16:05 mobileuser: Ulch! That meat was tainted! K2 feels deathly sick... 16:05 Nah 16:05 K2 is resistant 16:06 he would have this yeah? 16:06 *have known 16:06 K2 I would think so 16:06 It is one of the things that makes playing Infidel a different experience 16:06 i'll ask next time he pops in here 16:07 i'm inclined to leave well enough alone 16:07 You get the good and the bad of the amulet 16:08 alright, i should get new dnh on the server. going to a small neighborhood party later, wont have time tonight 16:08 new xnethack when? :-) 16:08 I'd like to try the new container transfer 16:09 oh I thought you were asking about xnh7.0 16:09 I better switch channels ;-) 16:09 breaking the variant tradition of never changing major version number :/ 16:09 13 ideas left on the todo list, one of which may not happen 16:09 i'll update xnh too 16:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 39 points, T:137, killed by a jackal, while reading a book 16:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (tungsten.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 16:13 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:22 Apparently fountains have a problem with me 16:29 rebatela: I'll do my best. My brain stopped working so I was playing Fairy Godmother Tycoon today 16:30 it's kind of like evilhack except for bearing no resemblance whatsoever 16:31 but in my evilhack game, I'm at Vecna's place 16:31 hoping not to die horribly 16:43 Found a rock mole, solved that issue at least 16:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Con Ith Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5353 16:50 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:53 oooooooooooooooooooooooo 16:53 bone splint 16:58 amateurhour: https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/commit/3a2865d9e 16:58 * amateurhour gasps 16:58 O: 17:02 it was an April Fools' joke. does it still count? 17:02 sure why not 17:13 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest486 17:13 -!- Guest486 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 17:13 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Con Ith Mal Cha), 2462 points, T:5945, killed by an Uruk-hai, while sleeping off a magical draught 17:51 Umbire: did you break your leg or something? why do you need a bone splint? :P 17:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:09 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 18:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:11 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 18:22 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8198 18:22 -!- Guest8198 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 18:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:28 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest1316 18:28 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:30 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31 -!- Guest1316 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:34 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest5341 18:34 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:37 -!- Guest5341 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Val Gia Fem Law), 2909 points, T:3692, quit 19:49 K2: alternatively, giants could just wear any dragon scales. when they enchant it, it becomes just the right size. 19:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Inf Elf Fem Una), 32 points, T:76, killed by a cadaver 19:56 a goblin just escaped the dungeon 19:57 good for him 19:57 no i wanted his loot 19:58 what if the goblin had the amulet? 19:58 unwinnable game 19:58 monsters will not escape the dungeon if carrying unique items 20:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) stole 100 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Aksaray's used armor dealership, on T:1322 20:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 396 points, T:1373, killed by a large kobold, while sleeping 20:35 rip me 20:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Inf Ith Mal Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7404 20:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Inf Ith Mal Una), 8646 points, T:7440, killed by a magic missile 20:48 rip 20:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1767 points, T:2876, zombified by an elf zombie, while praying 21:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Aphrodite, on T:1735 21:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 21:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 21:07 !rng I like being polyed into a gremlin | I do not like being polyed into a gremlin 21:07 aosdict: I like being polyed into a gremlin 21:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4121 points, T:2248, fell into a pit of iron spikes 21:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2453 points, T:2901, killed by a soldier ant 21:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Gia Mal Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:58882 21:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Gia Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:58884 22:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Gia Mal Cha) had a war hammer bestowed upon him by Set, on T:59312 22:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 22:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Oracle, on T:3430 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Inf Ith Mal Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4568 22:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 9120 points, T:6532, quit 23:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Inf Ith Mal Una), 4961 points, T:7771, killed by a panther 23:16 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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