00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Kni Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:19076 01:04 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Kni Orc Mal Cha) had an orcish long sword entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:22124 02:32 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Kni Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23648 02:41 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3936 04:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6960 points, T:4420, killed by a potion of holy water 05:45 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Law), 2003 points, T:2912, killed by a small mimic 07:40 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 257 points, T:1104, killed by a gnome lord 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3745 08:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:22663 08:45 ok so i drank holy water as chaotic - burns like acid "your affinity to werewolves disappears" is that the chaotic equivalent to "you feel purified" ? 08:46 or do i still have lycanthropy... 08:47 pretty sure it still works as chaotic and the message is just different. really don't want to lose this robe though (already just lost dragonhide cloak and +5 tshirt) 08:47 Yes, sounds like you're cured. 08:48 it won't cure other things for you, but it does cure lycanthropy 08:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:24059 09:08 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7441 09:08 -!- Guest7441 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 09:08 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:09 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:11 thanks guys 09:12 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest205 09:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:15 -!- Guest205 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:18 you're very welcome 09:18 :) 09:19 damn beholder just stoned me 09:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:23666 09:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23667 09:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4080 points, T:2867, killed by an ape 09:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:6880 09:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 09:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a club entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:7550 09:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 7678 points, T:7904, killed by a giant beetle 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 6924 points, T:7285, killed by a lesser nightmare 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:71790 11:24 -!- qt_ has joined #evilhack 11:24 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:31 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:42 -!- qt_ is now known as qt 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:58138 12:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 311 points, T:840, killed by a water demon 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide gauntlets of protection", on T:2873 13:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Bar Cen Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:60664 13:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:30520 13:31 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Bar Cen Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:62094 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 807 points, T:1724, killed by a rabid dog, while being terrified of a ghost 13:40 !lastgame qt 13:40 qt: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/evilhack/dumplog/1629740159.evil.html 13:40 k2 your crummy ghost scared me 13:40 >:( 13:40 boo! 13:41 was it wearing a hawaiian shirt? 13:45 i don't know, could be -- as soon as it appeared a dog bit me to death so I didn't get a good look 13:45 i bet it was 13:47 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1629610475.evil.html <-- why do you have the uncursed spider egg highlighted in blue? 13:48 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/k2.evilrc <--- lookup # Food conducts 13:48 hmm a spider egg doesn't sound vegetarian to me 13:49 it is 13:49 its not vegan though 13:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:63138 13:49 do vegetarians eat eggs 13:49 but yeah i dont see eggs as vegetarian but i dunno 13:49 i guess probably they do since it's not meat, but an egg that can potentially hatch doesn't seem very vegetarian 13:50 in my mind its an animal product 13:50 https://www.egginfo.co.uk/blog/can-vegetarians-eat-eggs#:~:text=Well%2C%20the%20short%20answer%20is,common%20type%20of%20meatless%20diet. 13:50 ^ first hit on teh google 13:51 if a plant lays eggs, are those still vegan or vegetarian? 13:51 egginfo.co.uk, brought to you by British Lion Eggs, sounds like a reliable and unbiased source 13:51 hey i always go with first hit 13:52 it's a weird url too 13:53 "Well, the short answer is, common type of meatless diet." doesn't even appear in the page (and doesn't seem like a full sentence either) 13:53 damn teh google 13:53 also why is ',' percent-encoded after "Well" but not after "is" 13:53 egginfo.co.uk is so mysterious 13:53 heh 13:54 question qt - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L12 <--- should I keep this around? 13:55 you can get rid of it if you want, i will copy it to my own local "evilhack bugs/patches to consider in the future" 13:56 ok 13:56 as you mentioned in that entry, its not critical because things like 'air elemental soldier' dont exist 13:57 nor will they 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5145 14:08 gonna do #7 today 14:11 idk if a cloak should necessarily block armor though 14:11 you can read your worn shirt through a cloak/robe 14:12 so there's supposed to be gaps in it certainly 14:12 but armor should block a shirt definitely... does a dragonhide shirt worn under armor hurt a dragon that bites you? 14:12 is that the 7 you are talking about? line 7 of the etherpad? 14:15 yes 14:15 dragonhide isnt a hated material 14:15 currently the only armor pieces that could become a hated material are body armor, helm, gloves, boots 14:16 and shield 14:16 so for now i could get away with not setting a condition for cloak/shirt 14:16 but that would feel wrong 14:17 oh it isn't? 14:17 nope 14:17 i guess it's just dragonbane that burns dragons 14:17 i thought it was all dragonhide stuff 14:17 correct 14:17 (dragonbane) 14:17 you know what they say about assuming 14:18 it makes an ass of u and ming 14:18 hahah 14:18 poor ming 14:38 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 14:38 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:41 this is what I have currently (messing with mhitu.c only for now) - https://termbin.com/67t4 14:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 557 points, T:898, zombified by a diseased hobbit corpse 14:42 this way all types of worn armor are still considered 14:42 what if agnorak the skullcrusher from the uruk-hai clan develops an alergy to cloth? 14:43 *allergy 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed Mephistopheles, on T:64910 14:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:50 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:59 K2: ... vegetarians who are not vegans eat all kinds of animal products 15:01 in theory you don't kill an animal if you eat the (unfertilised?) egg 15:01 or drink their milk etc. 15:12 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 15:16 right, now if you gave a vegetarian a carton of eggs and said "some of these are fertilized" you'd probably get mixed results 15:16 which is an approximation of what it's like in nethack 15:20 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:26 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 270704 points, T:31242, killed by a death ray 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Neu) murdered her faithful dog, on T:7136 16:03 !lastgame krm26 16:03 mobileuser: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1629663473.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1623895588.evil.html 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Kni Orc Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:32244 16:09 Blindsided with a wish in hand, unfortunate 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:74184 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:74352 16:55 hmm rethinking this 16:56 currently if you (or a monster) is decked out in all available types of armor, things like a t-shirt could still wind up as the blocking piece of armor, even if body armor is worn 16:56 i see what needs to happen 16:57 would a robe fully cover body armor? would a cloak? 16:58 would a robe but not a cloak? 16:58 in slashem robes are body armour 16:59 and that makes sense! 16:59 no passive attack from DSM if wearing a robe or cloak? 17:00 I feel like a robe would be fuller coverage than a cloak but a cloak could easily still be rationalized as fully covering 17:00 hmm 17:00 t-shirt is a no-brainer if body armor is worn 17:00 robe/cloak though 17:00 hmm 17:01 -!- ChrisANG has joined #evilhack 17:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:34049 17:04 if a cloak/robe prevents body armor from being the blocking piece, it should prevent a t-shirt then as well yeah? 17:06 K2: you can read your shirt through a cloak 17:07 i mean, it makes sense that a sword could penetrate your cloak but then stop at your body armor 17:07 Yeah 17:07 it even makes sense that a sword could penetrate your body armor and then be stopped by your shirt, though it is a little more ridiculous 17:07 not if it's a dragonhide shirt 17:07 :3 17:08 Also you can kinda just look down your cloak at any given moment 17:10 cloaks are definitely open at the front 17:10 some robes are 17:10 what do you guys imagine robes look like? 17:11 if we just assume that robes in nethack are partially open at the front, problem solved 17:12 gotta go, back soon 17:12 have to adult 17:13 i imagine robes are just a towel wrapped around your lower half, like you just got out of the shower 17:14 in fact idk why it's even a separate item from the towel, you should be able to wear a towel in your cloak slot 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful blue dragon, on T:75167 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:66695 17:49 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 17:57 just decree both as covering body armor completely, that's consistent with other things 17:58 but cloaks defintely do not do that 17:58 never have 17:59 I don't think it's worth the confusion for players to know their body armor is safe from rust if wearing a cloak, or that they can't take it off without taking off their cloak, and then it works a different way for this 18:01 isn't the stuff we are talking about purely cosmetic anyway? 18:01 it's just whether "your body armor stops the blow" will show up while you're wearing a cloak 18:03 also for if you/monster has an attack deflected by and bare-handed and its a hated material 18:04 this has nothing to do with rust aosdict :) 18:06 what if a rust monster attacks you K2 18:06 cloak/robe is open 18:07 t-shirts cant be made of metal 18:07 what? rust monster attack penetrates your cloak? 18:07 it doesn't already work that way does it? 18:07 are you saying you're changing that? 18:08 i believe it does 18:08 i dont remember a cloak or robe ever protecting you from a rust monsters attack 18:08 I've been playing giant lately so haven't exactly noticed 18:09 I think a cloak does protect your body armor from a rust monster 18:09 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 18:10 looking at erode_armor(uhitm.c) it checks for a cloak in case 1, only if there's no cloak does it proceed to trying to get your body armor. then only if there's no body armor does it go for your shirt 18:10 mmm chain shirt 18:10 why would it even go for your shirt 18:11 Probably something to do with the possibility of being in a metallic polyform with a shirt on 18:11 though iunno if iron golems can wear shirts 18:11 the function does other types of erosion too that could apply to a shirt 18:12 when it's a rust monster it applies ERODE_RUST but some monsters would use the same function for ERODE_ROT or something that could affect a shirt 18:12 yeah, makes sense 18:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:14 so that makes the assumption that a robe/cloak would fully cover body armor 18:14 yeah 18:14 fair 18:14 i guess the t-shirt reading thing is really the exception to the rule 18:15 it's just the first thing that came to mind for obvious reasons of familiarity ;) 18:15 since that's the case, easy enough to apply the assumptions to descriptive miss messages 18:22 odd that the wiki doesnt mention this about rust monsters and cloaks 18:24 you're right, it even talks about taking off any iron armor before fighting them 18:24 but doesn't say a cloak will protect your body armor 18:24 that is sort of surprising 18:25 testing this - https://termbin.com/etca 18:25 huh the tile for a rust monster looks like a walrus 18:25 i cant remember, is this statement right? (!uarm || !uarmc) 18:26 i've made this mistake before 18:26 it should be (!uarm && !uarmc) if you want to make sure neither one is worn 18:27 yeah if (uarmu && (!uarm || !uarmc)) would check if you are wearing an undershirt, and not both a cloak and body armor, but just one of the two is OK 18:28 thought so 18:29 Also rust monsters kinda legit look goofy 18:29 my rule of thumb when negating something is to flip 'or' to 'and', and vice-versa, so !(a && b && c) is the same as (!a || !b || !c) 18:29 :) 18:29 Also a cloak would protect body armor but not, say, dorf boots or GoP 18:29 Or a helm 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Bar Cen Fem Cha), 1647672 points, T:67403, killed by a blue dragon 18:30 I personally just try to rustproof/swap for leather stuff ASAP 18:31 the rust monster tile looks very different from this pic https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/rust-monster 18:38 i guess the bug guy also has a sort of walrus-like tail 18:38 https://0x0.st/-tZ0.jpg 18:39 none of these really scream 'walrus' like that tile 18:40 * Umbire shrugs 18:40 I couldn't tell you what made them go with walrus 18:40 buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut it's still funny 18:40 wow sweet you could get a rust monster toy https://0x0.st/-tZG.jpg 18:41 idk what the other creatures are... looks like armadillo-man, dino-man x2, headless dino, dino-dog 18:43 only $99 for the rust monster https://www.ebay.com/itm/292761549178 18:45 are these dinosaur toys that gygax based the monsters off or something? 18:45 lol 18:45 Pretty sure when Gygax came up with the black pudding he was having breakfast 18:46 this is the ticket - https://termbin.com/talx 18:46 the ebay item description says it was a dino toy that was used as the basis for the rust monster design 18:47 what dinosaur was it supposed to be 18:47 that is even more mysterious 18:47 Maybe one of those Victorian ideas of dinosaurs (still preserved in statue form) 18:52 i bought the rust monster toy 18:53 too cool i couldn't resist 18:53 not the $99 one though 18:53 it was a mere $14 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1294 points, T:2537, killed by a bone arrow 19:13 K2: when will you add dracoliches to evilhack 19:15 it wasnt on my to-do 19:15 those sound familiar, what are they exactly? 19:15 dragon + lich 19:15 https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dracolich 19:16 idk if it's actually a good idea, I just read about it and it seemed like something i might encounter in evilhack lol 19:17 i guess it's basically an undead dragon 19:18 we have dragon zombies already 19:18 we do? 19:18 what are they? 19:24 aosdict: you are really leaving me in suspense here 19:25 are there dragon zombies in evilhack that I just haven't seen? 19:27 aosdict lies 19:27 they arent in evilhack 19:27 i made dragon zombies in grunthack when i was brand new to breaking err coding things 19:28 I could see adding some type of undead dragon like you mentioned, but not zombie dragons 19:28 kinda wish I had never added those to grunthack 19:29 are zombie dragons a Z or a D 19:34 are they still in grunthack-hdf 19:35 welcome to the convo aosdict. that's what I just said 19:35 lol 19:35 qt in grunthack they are Z 19:36 light green Z 19:36 K2: I saw that but I figured you then might have said "why am I changing someone else's variant" and took them back out 19:36 i might still 19:36 although no one has really complained about them 19:37 hothraxxa has been playing a lot of grunthack lately, if anyone is gonna complain, its him 19:39 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/JEsnP 19:39 [EvilHack] k21971 b9d58a9 - Adjust descriptive miss messages based on armor worn over other armor. 19:39 are they in 'vanilla' grunthack, or just in grunthack-hdf? 19:40 there is no grunthack hdf 19:40 grunthack was abandoned, Tangles and I took it over 19:40 ok so they are just in grunthack-hdf 19:40 the fake grunthack that was screwed up by k2 and tangles 19:41 i think they were introduced in grunthack 0.2.2 19:41 version on hdf is 0.2.4 19:42 i want grungehack 19:42 #wizsmell would be very useful in grungehack 19:42 because you could detect teen spirit 19:42 noshowerhack 19:46 what's the longest you ever went without a shower? 19:46 i bet aosdict has an interesting answer 19:47 do you count bathing in streams/rain 19:47 yes. no water contact 19:48 it's about a week without a shower from a showerhead 19:48 not too bad 19:48 if dunking in a brook breaks the conduct, I dunno 19:49 oh yeah. that's running water 19:49 so a lake would be fine? :) 19:49 heh 19:49 longest i ever went was about 7 weeks (not by choice) 20:00 must have been in the middle east? 20:00 hiking in the eastern us, you're gonna get poured on sooner rather than later 20:00 yeah 20:01 1st tour, our platoon was embedded with a group of iraqi 'soldiers' for about 2 months 20:06 it never occurred to me how tame the weather is on the entire west coast until I went there 20:06 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #evilhack 20:07 sure there's lots of rain in the northwest but it usually is steady in the morning and then blows off. no storms 20:08 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10 not so tame last couple years 20:11 fires != weather 20:11 unless they make a fire tornado 20:11 they did 20:20 Well shit 20:21 NPC Caveman in the room past the Soko zoo 20:21 (it's 4c) 20:26 and there's the zombie spawn to ruin everything 20:26 (for them mostly) 20:32 they have picked up a wand of lightning, this officially Sucks™ 20:45 first cube spawn, took them out 20:46 wuh oh, my cavegal seems to have found a zombie friend 21:00 >incubus riding a couatl 21:01 that was just mean. 21:01 fucking sapped my energy, drained 2 points of con 21:01 and WIS loss for insult to injury 21:01 urgh 21:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:19681 21:17 well that was a ride and a half 21:17 oh hey peaceful centaur monk 21:18 And I just threw. 21:19 Absolutely no reason to, either. 21:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Neu), 61942 points, T:19853, choked on a giant turtle corpse 21:51 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 22:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14917 22:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 23493 points, T:15614, killed by a death ray 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Arc Hob Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a giant ant), on T:2886 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:78063 23:27 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) murdered her faithful red dragon, on T:78108 23:52 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]