00:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3195
00:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 2981 points, T:3196, killed by a mountain dwarf, while praying
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00:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:15705
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01:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:26371
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02:35 <mobileuser> !tell Umbire if you play knight you can't tame any dragon, not even pseudodragons
02:35 <Hecubus> Will do, mobileuser!
02:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 34 points, T:136, killed by a sewer rat, while frozen by a potion
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02:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una), 90966 points, T:29895, killed by an Aleax
03:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1172 points, T:1945, killed by a sewer rat
03:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2717 points, T:1987, quit
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04:08 <mobileuser> !lastgame DeathDealer
04:08 <Hecubus> mobileuser: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DeathDealer/evilhack/dumplog/1628799179.evil.html
04:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 10723 points, T:8108, killed by a champion of Raijin
05:25 <Arahael> !who
05:25 <Hecubus> Arahael: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-eu] Tomsod [evil] :: [hdf-au] Arahael [evil]
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05:39 <Arahael> EPI: Zombie corpses should always be cursed.
05:40 <Arahael> (This will have implications with pets)
05:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical square amulet on an altar, on T:4019
05:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 stone gauntlets of power", on T:4031
06:01 <mobileuser> Arahael it is Friday 13th
06:02 <Arahael> Oh?
06:02 <mobileuser> oops wrong channel
06:02 <mobileuser> well I'll continue here
06:02 <mobileuser> your starting base luck is -1 today
06:03 <Arahael> Ah, interesting.
06:03 <mobileuser> I assume that influences the outcome of wishes...
06:03 <Arahael> It probably does, although I did get the +2.
06:03 <mobileuser> since you got cursed gauntlets
06:03 <mobileuser> yeah
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06:17 <amateurhour> is it both friday the 13th and new moon? that's epic
06:17 <amateurhour> oh it's not
06:17 <amateurhour> boooo hissss
06:23 <mobileuser> heh
07:09 <aosdict> there was a fri 13th full moon last year
07:09 <aosdict> or 2019 can't remember
07:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5058
07:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 7630 points, T:5099, killed by an orcish arrow
07:39 <arahael> Woah. Random mithril +4 hard hat.
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07:59 <K2> weee
08:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7384
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09:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Kni Hum Mal Law), 649 points, T:1873, killed by a small mimic
09:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible qt's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:10770
09:33 <arahael> Oh, so that's what that was!
09:33 <arahael> (I was blind1)
09:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5200
09:53 <arahael> qt: was it blessed?
09:53 <qt> yeah, why do you ask?
09:53 <arahael> qt: it's still friday 13th for me, and my wishes turned out cursed.
09:54 <qt> ohh I didn't even consider that
09:54 <qt> I guess I got lucky
09:54 <arahael> :)
10:08 <K2> heh
10:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 690 points, T:1483, zapped herself with a spell
10:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 232 points, T:1319, killed by a boulder
10:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 17377 points, T:11267, killed by an earth elemental
10:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 366 points, T:1123, killed by an arrow
10:58 <qt> !lastgame qt
10:58 <Hecubus> qt: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/evilhack/dumplog/1628860642.evil.html
10:59 <qt> I guess that magical hawaiian shirt wasn't that useful since I already had the ring
10:59 <qt> probably not worth the -1 AC :P
11:00 <qt> or, you know, +1 AC... it made my AC 1 point worse, is the point
11:01 <amateurhour> but wearing it gave you an invisible +50% coolness
11:01 <amateurhour> well worth it
11:02 <qt> how can you avoid becoming burdened playing illithid wiz?
11:03 <qt> i didn't find any boxes.. I was dropping things on the ground if I knew monsters wouldn't use them against me, but I was still way overweight
11:05 <amateurhour> maybe a first wish on wood/stone gauntlets of power
11:06 <qt> hmm i guess i should have gone for that instead of SDSM
11:06 <qt> live and learn I suppose
11:06 <qt> or die and learn
11:12 <K2> bone is another popular material option
11:12 <qt> wood is a poplar material option
11:12 <K2> maple? I dunno
11:13 <Pinkbeast> qt: Yew would say that
11:13 <K2> I guess its oaky
11:17 <qt> k2, imo it's sort of weird that there are two separate series of phase walls timeout messages
11:18 <K2> ?
11:18 <qt> first one (phasing_dialogue): "Your body is beginning to feel more solid." -> "Your body is solid again."
11:18 <K2> oh with convict
11:18 <K2> quest artifact
11:18 <qt> second one (phaze_dialogue): "You start to feel bloated" -> "You are feeling rather flabby."
11:19 <qt> phaze_dialogue is from vanilla, I guess phasing_dialogue was added in the convict patch -- they conflict with each other because phasing_ implies you are ghost-like but phaze_ implies you're paper-thin or something
11:21 <qt> just noticed it bc I was thinking a "pass walls" matter spell would be cool, so i was playing around with it
11:21 <K2> ooh
11:21 <K2> and yes that would be wicked cool
11:21 <K2> it'd have to be level 6 at least
11:22 <qt> yeah idk, maybe it'd be too powerful... i guess the timeout increment could be very small
11:22 <amateurhour> slashem has passwall
11:22 <qt> though i guess if the convict artifact permits it without breaking the game, maybe it wouldn't be that bad
11:23 <K2> maybe even level 7
11:23 <amateurhour> it's level 6 body school in slashem, not sure what the vanilla equivalent would be
11:23 <qt> amateurhour: does it feel overpowered?
11:23 <amateurhour> if you can consistently cast it it's epic :)
11:24 <K2> it shouldnt stack
11:24 <amateurhour> the timeout in slashem is 50-150 turns
11:24 <amateurhour> or something like that
11:24 <K2> that sounds reasonable
11:25 <K2> something else i was thinking about was a level 7 clerical spell, full healing
11:25 <qt> or maybe it could stack but there's some maximum and/or it gives diminishing returns
11:25 <amateurhour> clerical??
11:25 <qt> i think protection works that way?
11:25 <amateurhour> there's a healing spell school
11:25 <K2> err healing
11:25 <K2> you knew what i meant
11:25 <amateurhour> ah right lol
11:26 <K2> oops :P
11:26 <amateurhour> thought you legit meant clerical and were intending to give it to monsters
11:26 <K2> oof no
11:26 * amateurhour puts down the pitchfork
11:26 <K2> even for the player at level 7 that might be too OP
11:26 <K2> there'd have to be some sort of turn timeout
11:26 <K2> could only cast it once every 1000 turns or something
11:27 <K2> fyi - ttyrecs for all 3.6/3.7 based variants are now available
11:28 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/
11:28 <K2> i'll get to to nh4 based and 3.4.3 based later
11:32 <aosdict> K2: Call it "heal" instead of "full healing" then you can make it like heal you less if you use it too often and people won't get mad about the name
11:33 <aosdict> it took me quite a while to realize that the Heal spell in D&D is actually quite powerful and not the wimpy low-level spell it sounded like
11:34 <K2> ah that's right, its just called 'Heal'
11:34 <K2> cure light wounds, cure moderate woulds, cure serious wounds, etc
11:34 <qt> won't it be confusing to have a spell called 'Healing' and a spell called 'Heal'
11:34 <aosdict> ok fine qt
11:34 <aosdict> "power word heal"
11:35 <K2> power word bactine
11:35 <K2> power word mom kisses on my boo boo
11:35 <aosdict> also it being a clerical spell makes sense gameplay wise but doesn't really make sense in the context of a game that has a healing spell school. maybe have the name indicate why it's clerical
11:36 <aosdict> divine healing idk
11:37 <K2> to keep it inline with nethack, the spell should fall under healing spell school
11:37 <K2> in ad&d clerical spells encompassed all of the healing types
11:38 <aosdict> it'd be nice to have a healing spell that was more divinely influenced though, like priests and knights are good at it but healers not so much
11:38 <K2> 'lay on hands'
11:39 <K2> using it on undead did damage if i recall
11:39 <aosdict> as a person currently playing a paladin in a campaign lay on hands is awesome
11:39 <aosdict> does not translate all that well to nethack though
11:39 <K2> yeah
11:40 <K2> and damn you for being able to play ad&d
11:40 <K2> you and amateurhour both
11:40 <amateurhour> I play d&d 5e
11:40 <aosdict> this is 5e
11:40 <K2> are you all playing via zoom or some other streaming app or are these sessions in person?
11:40 <K2> omg 5e
11:40 <K2> ...
11:41 <aosdict> get hip with the times bro
11:41 <amateurhour> 5e is good 
11:41 <K2> heh actually i cant talk shit about 5e, never tried it
11:41 <aosdict> save your denigrations for 4e
11:41 <K2> i've played editions one through 3.5
11:41 <amateurhour> my group is currently playing descent into avernus, and it's actually pretty awesome
11:42 <K2> in person or streaming?
11:42 <amateurhour> used to be in person always but since lockdown most sessions are over roll20
11:42 <K2> figured
11:42 <K2> :/
11:42 <amateurhour> which is fine because the maps look mint
11:42 <aosdict> we play on roll20 as well due to being scattered across the country
11:43 <K2> you both know i love me some ad&d
11:43 <aosdict> two weeks ago I was in person with two others in the group who are married
11:43 <aosdict> due to visiting
11:43 <Pinkbeast> We're playing 5e, it does what it does very well (mind you, so does 3.5e)
11:43 <qt> i'd like to get into d&d but it feels like now is a really bad time to do so
11:43 <qt> with covid etc
11:43 <amateurhour> K2 is afraid of change
11:43 <amateurhour> the removal of the letter A at the start scares them
11:44 <aosdict> qt there are so many remote d&d meetups
11:44 <Pinkbeast> amateurhour: Hang on, the A's been gone for years
11:44 <K2> qt normally that'd be true, but streaming makes it all doable
11:44 <K2> Pinkbeast i'm old school
11:44 <aosdict> I haven't tried that out because one campaign is enough for now
11:44 <Pinkbeast> qt: Now's a pretty good time, everyone _else_ is looking for online games too
11:44 <K2> thanks for never inviting me to play in your campaigns. fuckers
11:44 <amateurhour> yeah we're literally talking about how we play online hahaha
11:44 <qt> would playing online be a good way to learn the rules and so on though?
11:44 <Pinkbeast> K2: Eh, I started with (red box) D&D :-)
11:45 <K2> Pinkbeast i did too :)
11:45 <K2> i still have it
11:45 <K2> red box then 1st edition ad&d
11:45 <aosdict> I mean, nethack is a good way to learn a lot of the basics so you got that down pat
11:45 <amateurhour> if in doubt roll a d20
11:45 <Pinkbeast> My Expert set's gone walkabout which is annoying
11:45 <K2> qt lets start our own campaign session and not invite amateurhour or aosdict
11:46 <K2> :P
11:46 <qt> sounds good
11:46 <K2> Pinkbeast i have red box, i think i still have blue (expert) and green (cant recall what its called, its the one right after expert)
11:46 <aosdict> my current campaign has a newish dm and I think he's a bit heavy on trying to math through things via skill checks
11:47 <K2> i used to DM
11:47 <amateurhour> our DM is more than happy to wave things through if we come up with an interesting plan
11:47 <K2> my kid would love to play too
11:47 <amateurhour> I've never DM'd, sounds too stressful for me
11:48 <K2> its been decades since i've DM'ed
11:48 <K2> only did it out of necessity
11:48 <aosdict> K2: she might be interested in Toon if d&d is a bit too heavy for her age?
11:48 <K2> nah she'll be fine
11:49 <K2> i started red box at age 11-12
11:49 <K2> she's almost 10
11:49 <K2> and she reads quite a bit above her grade level
11:50 <amateurhour> aosdict if you get a chance to play descent into avernus with your group you should totally take it, I'm having a blast
11:51 <Pinkbeast> K2: Green is Companion, I've still got that
11:51 <K2> maybe one of you could invite myself and qt to your campaigns. we could be the guy wearing the red shirt
11:51 <K2> yes, I am shamelessly trying to squeeze into one of your campaigns
11:52 <amateurhour> haha my group is a bunch of my friends from secondary school, so I don't think it'd fit sorry
11:52 <qt> don't include me in your shameless squeezing
11:52 <K2> i'd love to play d&d again even if its not 1st edition
11:52 <amateurhour> if I'm ever in another group then sure
11:52 <K2> amateurhour blah
11:52 <K2> ^ kidding
11:52 <Pinkbeast> K2: Sure, you just have to have known our friend Dave before he had the heart valve failure, stroke, and brain bleed; he'll be pleased to hear your voice on the recordings.
11:53 <Pinkbeast> (I enjoy our current campaign but its raison d'etre is not entirely a thing of joy)
11:53 <K2> ah
11:53 <K2> it looks like via roll20 you can put yourself out there and get invited
11:54 <Pinkbeast> It's not _that_ bad. Realistically we'd expected him to die, and he appears to be recovering without significant cognitive impairment, so...
11:58 <K2> welp i signed up
12:03 <qt> someone recommended to me these events run by a gaming shop here that are basically little beginner-friendly, self-contained things that run over the course of a saturday
12:03 <qt> but they stopped doing them because of covid, i'm hoping maybe they'll start again
12:04 <K2> i dont of any place in VT that does them. I'm sure there are a few, i just have no idea where
12:09 <K2> *dont know
12:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible DeathDealer's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:19738
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13:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20254
13:10 <K2> amateurhour you're still playing a tortle bard correct? d&d campaign
13:15 <amateurhour> yeah
13:17 <K2> cool
13:17 <K2> aosdict what character do you play?
13:17 <K2> ^ same question for Pinkbeast
13:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Kni Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:312
13:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 213 points, T:315, killed by a Grey-elf
13:21 <qt> i think aosdict said earlier he is playing a paladin
13:22 <K2> oh right
13:23 <amateurhour> my first d&d character was a paladin called Yendor
13:23 <K2> i would play either fighters or wizards
13:23 <amateurhour> I couldn't think of a fantasy sounding name so I yoinked it from nethack
13:23 <K2> i had a mountain dwarf fighter named garth that was a total bad ass
13:23 <K2> dont remember my wizard's name
13:24 <amateurhour> made up a contrived backstory to explain why his name was rodney backwards
13:24 <qt> he went to the DMV to get legal identification but the person making the license read his forms in the mirror by accident
13:25 <amateurhour> hey how did u know that
13:25 <qt> i have had a similar experience irl, there's a typo on my driver's license and since I had to use it to make a bank account, etc, the typo has spread to various other parts of my life
13:26 <amateurhour> my second character shared much of the backstory and was called kirred :)
13:26 <K2> heh
13:27 <aosdict> K2: gold dragonborn paladin
13:27 <amateurhour> nice
13:27 <aosdict> fear my holy fire breath that I can use... once per short rest...
13:27 <K2> does that mean you're part dragon?
13:27 <amateurhour> which oath did you take?
13:27 <aosdict> ancients
13:27 <amateurhour> nice
13:28 <amateurhour> I played a centaur paladin in a not-very-serious one-shot recently
13:29 <amateurhour> there was a part where we had to disguise ourselves as a comedy troupe
13:29 <K2> hmm... i dont think it'd be too difficult to create #layhands for knights in nethack, they can already use #turn
13:29 <amateurhour> so I wore the front half of a pantomime horse
13:29 <K2> hahah
13:29 <K2> centaur disguised as a horse
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13:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 1963 points, T:1869, killed by a white unicorn
13:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18317
14:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:18849
14:11 <amateurhour> I wonder if the first player to ascend an infidel without transforming into a demon will get crowned while lawful instead
14:15 <K2> hmm
14:16 <K2> buddy of mine the other messaged me 'omfg have you played jupiter hell yet??'
14:16 <K2> *other night
14:17 <Umbire> Which is...?
14:17 <Hecubus> Umbire: Message from mobileuser at 2021-08-13 02:35 EDT: if you play knight you can't tame any dragon, not even pseudodragons
14:18 <Umbire> Oh right, that's a thing.
14:18 <amateurhour> it's a new roguelike Umbire 
14:18 <Umbire> Think I've heard of it.
14:24 <K2> https://jupiterhell.com/
14:24 <K2> ^ in case you dont know how to use the google
14:27 <Umbire> I prefer to hear from other people sometimes, see if they can't "sell" me on it
14:29 <K2> i havent tried it
14:30 <K2> my system doesnt have a dedicated gfx card
14:30 <K2> i could prob try it but i'd have to dumb down all the eye candy to play is smoothly
14:30 <K2> fuck that noise
14:30 <qt> you're not "selling" it very well K2, please try harder
14:30 <K2> its neat
14:30 <K2> ^ better?
14:30 <qt> thank you
14:30 <K2> \o/
14:31 <Umbire> lol
14:31 <qt> it's a sort of 'sequel' to DoomRL after it got a cease and desist from iD or something right?
14:31 <Umbire> I'll probably look into it later, am doing Very Important Work™ currently
14:31 <Umbire> (editing the wiki)
14:32 <Umbire> On that note, the Convict QA, it's that Iron Ball thing right?
14:32 <Umbire> Gives warning?
14:33 <Umbire> nvm, page has that covered lol
14:33 <K2> iron ball of liberation
14:33 <Umbire> also interestingly Luck Blade is also a broadsword in Splice
14:33 <K2> both luck blade and the IBoL have slightly different implementations depending on the variant
14:34 <Umbire> Ye
14:34 <Umbire> I know it's the Iron Spoon in a handful of 'em
14:34 <amateurhour> dnh has both the iron spoon of liberation and the iron ball of levitation
14:35 <Umbire> Also the beholder description implies warning is tied to the player's experience level, is that the case or just awk wording
14:35 <Umbire> Hi Ammy
14:35 <amateurhour> and they're both epic
14:36 <amateurhour> most of the dnh quest artifacts are epic (and non-wishable)
14:40 <K2> dnh artifact called 'Epic'
14:40 <K2> its really epic
14:40 <K2> 'The Epic Artifact of Epicness (and Excellence)'
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14:42 <nabru> a blob of raw epicness
14:43 <aosdict> a *glob of raw epicness
14:43 <Umbire> lol
14:43 <Umbire> But yeah, about the beholder?
14:43 <aosdict> dropped from the rare epic pudding
14:43 <Umbire> Hi elenmirie 
14:43 <elenmirie> hi
14:43 <Hecubus> Hello elenmirie, Welcome to #evilhack
14:43 * elenmirie waves
14:46 <K2> heh
14:47 <Umbire> "Also the beholder description implies warning is tied to the player's experience level, is that the case or just awk wording"
14:47 <Umbire> this is Very Important!
14:50 <aosdict> awkword...
15:00 <elenmirie> can someone fill me in on what I need to be prepared for to enter Vecna's level?
15:01 <amateurhour> lots and lots of undead, high likelihood of alhoons
15:01 <elenmirie> kk
15:01 <amateurhour> mobileuser has a special hat they wish for
15:01 <elenmirie> so grease on the hat
15:02 <elenmirie> like an oilskin elven helm or something?
15:02 <elenmirie> I have a dragonhide one, dropped from an elf noble
15:03 <amateurhour> blessed +3 cloth oilskin elven helm named le chapteau de Mobi Léuser
15:03 <amateurhour> chapeau*
15:03 <elenmirie> and lots of KY^M^Mgrease
15:03 <amateurhour> hehe
15:04 <amateurhour> idk if there's any other special prep
15:04 <elenmirie> one problem I've been having is defending against e's, because I am wearing the Eyes so it takes me two turns (ish) to remove them and put on a blindfold
15:04 <elenmirie> and then of course I'm not magic resistant unless I change amulets
15:05 <elenmirie> are there lots of e's in Vecna's branch?
15:06 <amateurhour> there's some guaranteed beholders
15:06 <amateurhour> 3 maybe
15:06 <elenmirie> ok, shit
15:06 <elenmirie> that's bad
15:06 <amateurhour> I wish the wiki listed what the eyes do for all the gazes
15:07 <elenmirie> well, maybe I go in blinded with ammy of MR
15:07 <elenmirie> any engulfers that suffocate you?
15:07 <amateurhour> pretty sure the eyes prevent the instadeath etc but turn it into damage
15:07 <elenmirie> oh, interesting
15:08 <Umbire> That's what you have me for Ammy!
15:08 <amateurhour> doesn't look like there's any engulfers listed in the des file
15:08 <Umbire> (though you'd have to give me notes)
15:08 <amateurhour> nothing preventing them spawning
15:08 <elenmirie> yeah, but I usually see them before they see me
15:08 <elenmirie> lol
15:08 <mobileuser> I think Vecna's death gaze is not protected against?
15:08 <mobileuser> not sure
15:08 <elenmirie> I have free action so gelcubes are no longer instadeath
15:09 <elenmirie> what does Vecna's gaze do?
15:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:20027
15:09 <elenmirie> go Tomsod!
15:09 <Umbire> :D
15:09 <mobileuser> death damage
15:09 <elenmirie> right
15:10 <elenmirie> into the abyss!
15:10 <mobileuser> I think it would drain your max hp
15:10 <amateurhour> yeah looks like the eyes do nothing against that
15:10 <amateurhour> man the eyes suck
15:10 <elenmirie> yuck, my max HP sucks rocks
15:10 <amateurhour> just a load of downsides
15:11 <elenmirie> Yeah, I think maybe it's best to not use them for this branch
15:11 <amateurhour> seems like they kinda suck in every variant
15:11 <elenmirie> I'd like to gain lots of levels so I get the new shiny monk abilities
15:11 <elenmirie> anyone have a favourite way of doing that?
15:12 <amateurhour> ah elenmirie if it was a couple of weeks ago you could have chowed down on a bajillion wraiths in vecna's branch
15:12 <mobileuser> Sore point! ;-)
15:12 <Pinkbeast> Hit monsters, don't die
15:12 <elenmirie> lol
15:12 <elenmirie> As usual, a day late and a dollar short.
15:12 <elenmirie> :(
15:12 <amateurhour> ethically collected wraith corpses should be considered vegan! 
15:12 <elenmirie> lol
15:12 <elenmirie> ethical wraith farming
15:13 <elenmirie> no pesticides
15:13 <amateurhour> organic!
15:13 <elenmirie> yeah!
15:13 <Umbire> These hands are GMO-free 
15:13 <amateurhour> idk a good way to farm up levels really, foocubus dance or alchemy maybe?
15:13 <amateurhour> revgeno wraiths would still work
15:14 <elenmirie> my side kick is 100% environmentally responsible
15:14 <elenmirie> yeah, I've thought of revgeno, either wraiths or foocubi
15:14 <Umbire> zero-emissions uppercuts
15:14 <elenmirie> heh
15:15 <elenmirie> I never fart when I deliver a spinning kick to your head
15:15 <amateurhour> YANI: make the eyes of the overworld worth using in evilhack :P
15:16 <elenmirie> yes please!
15:16 <elenmirie> also, please make them less annoying when you are trying to do something and monsters on the other side of a wall keep stopping you
15:16 <Umbire> Well what do you feel the downsides are?
15:16 <elenmirie> like reading a book, eating a tin, et cetera
15:16 <Umbire> For discussion's sake
15:17 <elenmirie> defense against gaze attacks is scary as shit
15:17 <elenmirie> you need to take off the Eyes, which, if they are your main source of MR, leaves you without MR
15:17 <amateurhour> it doesn't protect against the most deadly ones, the nasty ones it protects against get turned into quite a bit of damage anyway, wearing it makes it take two turns to blindfold yourself
15:18 <elenmirie> then you need to put on a towel or blindfold, which takes another turn, during which the gazer can kill you
15:18 <amateurhour> and unless it was fixed in evilhack, which I don't think it was, if you can see a spellcaster through a wall then they can see you (meaning they can summon nasties etc)
15:18 <amateurhour> and it's not clear which gazes it even helps with so it's just a nerve-wracking risk
15:19 <elenmirie> then another two turns. assuming you are carrying an ammy of MR in open inventory and don't need to fish it out of a bag, to remove your ammy of MB or whatever you have and switch to ammy of MR
15:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:20324
15:19 <elenmirie> nice^^
15:20 <elenmirie> I had to wish for mine and fight some asshat
15:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:20333
15:20 <amateurhour> did they wear an ass as a hat or did they have a bobble hat on their ass?
15:20 <Umbire> hax!
15:20 <Umbire> hax!!!!
15:21 <elenmirie> I think it was the ass as a hat.
15:22 <elenmirie> I can't remember that clearly
15:22 <amateurhour> they were just an obstacle
15:22 <elenmirie> yeah
15:22 <amateurhour> not worth committing to memory
15:22 <elenmirie> Im chaotic, dafugg
15:23 <elenmirie> things get in my way, I get rid of them
15:23 <elenmirie> the details blur
15:23 <Umbire> Would MR when carried be a good partial solve...?
15:23 <Umbire> Also there's an etherpad section for this, I hope
15:23 <elenmirie> yes
15:23 <elenmirie> it would be
15:24 <elenmirie> better would be being able to cover the eyes with your towel or blindfold
15:24 <elenmirie> retaining the MR you get from wearing them
15:24 <elenmirie> I would not mind if that took away astral vision too
15:24 <elenmirie> just being able to blind yourself in one turn 
15:25 <elenmirie> and not lose your MR
15:25 <amateurhour> the damage taken from using them to protect yourself against the gazes could be lowered a bit as well
15:25 <elenmirie> this would obviously need to apply to ordinary lenses also
15:26 <amateurhour> like disint gaze does 8d8 then halved
15:26 <elenmirie> that's another possible solution, to make them almost as good as being blind
15:26 <Umbire> Ye
15:26 <elenmirie> which would not apply to ordinary lenses, obs
15:26 <amateurhour> so using the eyes instead of blinding yourself you can take like 32 damage from afar
15:26 <amateurhour> (at most)
15:26 <Umbire> Aren't they literal rose-tinted glasses in the source material story be Vance
15:26 <Umbire> by*
15:26 <elenmirie> lol
15:26 <amateurhour> noone's ever gonna wish for the eyes 
15:27 <elenmirie> are they?
15:27 <amateurhour> yeah
15:27 <Umbire> blind yourself with nostalgia
15:27 <amateurhour> they're made from some pink/purple crystal
15:27 <elenmirie> they've always had this annoying factor of preventing the use of the towel/blindfold
15:27 <elenmirie> but in Evilhack it becomes more serious
15:28 <elenmirie> Rose quartz, or Amethyst
15:28 <amateurhour> the reason they're so janky is because they were ported from slashem and warren cheung half-assed it
15:28 <elenmirie> lol
15:28 <elenmirie> they're cheungy
15:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:24759
15:40 <elenmirie> the nice thing about the Eyes is that they obviate the need for a light source
15:40 <elenmirie> and let you see things through walls
15:40 <elenmirie> which is also sometimes a pain
15:41 <elenmirie> so again, being able to wrap a towel around them to stop it without losing more than one turn or losing the benefits of wearing them (MR) would be good
15:41 <elenmirie> I'm guessing that's a huge pain to code
15:42 <elenmirie> Or alternately, change the invoke 
15:43 <elenmirie> so that they won't do the astral vision unless invoked, and you can toggle it off and if it's off, it works as well as a blindfold
15:43 <elenmirie> without actually making you blind
15:43 <elenmirie> but subject to the timeouts for invocation of artifacts
15:44 <elenmirie> lose the enlightenment invocation effect, it's not particularly useful
15:44 <qt> new artifact: The Shutter Shades of Swag
15:44 <qt> you can close the shutters and they act as a blindfold
15:44 <qt> open the shutters and they act like the Eyes
15:44 * elenmirie joins the waiting list
15:46 <elenmirie> where's the Shutter Shades flagship store?
15:48 <mobileuser> Something about sacrificing and luck confuses me on the wiki.
15:48 <mobileuser> "If your base Luck is still negative after this, it will be set to 0."
15:48 <mobileuser> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sacrifice
15:49 <mobileuser> Does this mean that with negative luck a single sacrifice that shows clover resets your luck to 0?
15:49 <qt> yeah it looks like that is the case
15:50 <elenmirie> I have always believed this to be true
15:50 <mobileuser> wow
15:50 <mobileuser> nice!
15:50 <Umbire> I believe it's true too
15:50 <mobileuser> I killed a peaceful unicorn in sokoban, so that really helps!
15:50 <qt> the specific lines in dosacrifice(pray.c) are: change_luck((value * LUCKMAX) / (MAXVALUE * 2)); if ((int) u.uluck < 0) u.uluck = 0;
15:50 <elenmirie> yes, if you see clover, your worst possible luck is zero
15:51 <mobileuser> does that also wipe out the friday 13 effect?
15:51 <elenmirie> I've got no idea about that
15:51 <qt> does friday the 13th mean luck times out to -1? or is it just that it starts at -1?
15:52 <elenmirie> lol I didn't play today because of that
15:52 <elenmirie> also I'm puzzled how to advance my game so I needed to think
15:52 <mobileuser> yeah it probably won't cure the -1 :b 
15:52 <qt> it must time out to -1 because after a lot of sacrifices I was still 'unlucky' when i died
15:52 <mobileuser> yeah
15:52 <elenmirie> lol there was a devnull where there was a Friday 13 that was also new moon
15:53 <mobileuser> amazing how I still learn vanilla stuff after so many games
15:53 <elenmirie> everyone was trying to get to heaven on that day for bragging rights
15:54 <elenmirie> also in evilhack your luckstone doesn't prevent your luck from reverting to normal, just slows it down
15:54 <qt> mobileuser: it looks like successful prayer also resets negative luck to 0
15:54 <elenmirie> so it will still trend towards your base luck
15:54 <amateurhour> successful prayer with negative luck?
15:54 <qt> normally that doesn't matter but your luck can time out to a negative value after you started praying
15:54 <amateurhour> ah
15:54 <qt> but before the result was evaluated
15:54 <mobileuser> ah, edge case
15:54 <elenmirie> whoa
15:54 <Umbire> RIP
15:55 <Umbire> lol
15:55 <elenmirie> holy corner case,, batman!
15:55 <Umbire> that's unfortunate as all hell
15:55 <qt> what's unfortunate?
15:56 <Umbire> luck timing out to negative after mid-prayer
15:56 <Umbire> -after
15:56 <Umbire> corner case though it is
15:56 <elenmirie> yeah
15:56 <elenmirie> that would suck
15:56 <Umbire> also tangent but
15:56 <Umbire> "Beholders spawn asleep 80% of the time. They are slow, and cannot be detected by any means other than direct viewing or via warning (Beholders will always show as a 5 via warning, regardless of the player's experience level)."
15:56 <elenmirie> does it even check during mid-prayer?
15:56 <elenmirie> yeah
15:56 <Umbire> ^this reads as implying warning is player XL-dependent
15:57 <elenmirie> I think it's the differential between your level and its level
15:57 <elenmirie> isn't it?
15:57 <elenmirie> but usually this doenst make a lot of difference
15:58 <elenmirie> or maybe I'm all wet
15:58 <elenmirie> lol
15:58 <mobileuser> Umbire detect monsters shows them fine too
15:58 <amateurhour> I could be wrong but I think it's just based on the monster's level
15:58 <elenmirie> I'm not sure
15:58 <amateurhour> but monsters more likely to spawn at higher level when you're higher xlvl maybe?
15:58 <Umbire> The exact criteria for warning to show you monster locations are:[1]
15:58 <Umbire>     The monster must not be peaceful.
15:58 <Umbire>     You must be under 10 tiles from it (i.e., it must be strictly within a ten-tile circle centered at you).[2]
15:58 <Umbire>     Its level must be greater than or equal to 4.
15:58 <qt> it's mon->m_lev / 4
15:58 <elenmirie> I so rarely get beyond level 14/15
15:58 <elenmirie> it could be anything
15:58 <qt> m_lev is based on adj_lev(makemon.c) i think, it's adjusted from base level based on u.uz and u.ulevel according to a comment there
15:58 <amateurhour> I mean I've definitely seen a monster before have two different warning values
15:59 <Umbire> No they have 
15:59 <amateurhour> yeah that's probably it then
15:59 <Umbire> I've seen it too
15:59 <elenmirie> they can show different levels if they shapeshift
15:59 <Umbire> But I'm talking about the wording implying it's related to player level
15:59 <amateurhour> similarly you can see warning level decrease by casting drain life
15:59 <qt> so it's based on the monster's level, which itself is based on your position in the dungeon and your experience level
15:59 <elenmirie> or if you level drain it
15:59 <amateurhour> similarly you can see warning level decrease by casting drain life
15:59 <amateurhour> oops double send
15:59 <qt> but I don't think the warning number of a specific monster will change if you gain levels
15:59 <mobileuser> or if you level drain it
15:59 <Umbire> I know, thank you, I am currently working on that page
15:59 <qt> it's just based on the monster's current level
15:59 <Umbire> What I didn't know was if the wording re: beholders was intended or not
16:00 <elenmirie> it's probably not
16:00 <amateurhour> beholders should be warning level 6
16:00 <Umbire> Sounding like a "not"
16:00 <Umbire> which is all I wanted to know for that, thank you all again 👍
16:00 <amateurhour> also demon lords should be warning level 6
16:00 <Umbire> not wrong
16:01 <elenmirie> grade inflation
16:01 <elenmirie> lol
16:01 <qt> well, it's saying that because beholders are hardcoded in as a 5 regardless of their actual monster level
16:01 <elenmirie> isn't five the highest possible?
16:01 <amateurhour> some variants extend it to 6 (and enable warning level 0 too)
16:01 <Umbire> Yahuh
16:02 <elenmirie> that's just sloppy coding, qt, I think there's a mountain in the Himalayas that we can blame for that...
16:02 <elenmirie> amateurhour: yeah the warning 0 thing is useful
16:02 <elenmirie> I think a beholder should be eleven
16:02 <amateurhour> it goes to 11!
16:03 <qt> lol elenmirie 
16:03 <qt> yes, damn that Gasherbrum IV
16:03 <elenmirie> woot!
16:04 <amateurhour> I think extending warning is a good idea generally
16:04 <qt> lol someone said about k2 (the mountain) "It's a savage mountain that tries to kill you."
16:04 <qt> much like k2 (the person), who is a savage developer that tries to kill you
16:04 <elenmirie> accurate...
16:05 <elenmirie> :D
16:05 <elenmirie> that's why we all hang around and play his game
16:06 <elenmirie> Spartan Trials
16:07 <qt> wow, one in five people who try to mount K2 die in the attempt
16:07 <qt> I wouldn't try it personally
16:08 <nabru> K2 might be angry if you try to mount him
16:08 <qt> probably why so many die
16:10 <elenmirie> do you have to use a saddle or not?
16:13 <Umbire> brb
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16:13 <elenmirie> Although K2 is almost impossible to mount without being caught in life-threatening weather, the best months to climb are June, July and August.
16:13 <elenmirie> there's not much time left, lads!
16:16 <qt> i think i'd rather start with a smaller butte before even considering K2
16:23 <elenmirie> sounds like good sense
16:25 <elenmirie> This one made me laugh when I was 13: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_Butte,_New_Mexico
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16:27 <elenmirie> But now I'm above those things
16:29 <qt> Some well-known non-flat buttes in the United States are Bear Butte and Black Butte, according to Wikipedia
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16:44 <elenmirie> hi Tomsod!
16:44 <elenmirie> how's your infidel game going?
16:44 <Tomsod> Hello.
16:44 <Hecubus> Hello Tomsod, Welcome to #evilhack
16:45 <Tomsod> Yes, I'm actually looking for an advice.
16:45 <elenmirie> lol, you invented it, but we will help if we can!
16:46 <elenmirie> what's your question?
16:46 <Tomsod> Apparently, since I carry the Amulet, player monsters spawn with full endgame gear.  So I've encounered a player monster wizard with SDSM, likely a cloak of MR, and RNG knows what else.  I want all that stuff, but how would I kill it?
16:46 <Tomsod> I think maybe a cockatrice corpse?
16:47 <elenmirie> where are you in the game? what level are you at?
16:47 <qt> wow is that really true? all player monsters have ascension kit gear if you're an infidel?
16:47 <qt> that seems crazy
16:47 <Tomsod> I planned to zap it with a wand of death, but reflection.
16:47 <qt> yeah what level are you? I thought it was based on their level
16:47 <Tomsod> Yes, likely an oversight.
16:47 <Umbire> K2: ya fukt up^
16:47 <elenmirie> that may be true; I have noticed that player characters are easier when not playing infidel lol
16:47 <Umbire> (jk but this does need looking at)
16:48 <elenmirie> mildly surprised but I'd not thought about it
16:48 <elenmirie> c corpse would probably do it
16:48 <elenmirie> or cat and mouse game
16:49 <elenmirie> where you bait them and hit and run
16:49 <elenmirie> missile weapons, they are probably not immune to physical damage
16:49 <Tomsod> I haven't been able to hit them with a decent artifact weapon.  Very good AC, it seems.
16:49 <qt> !whereis Tomsod
16:49 <Hecubus> qt: Tomsod is not playing.
16:50 <amateurhour> which spells don't get reflected?
16:50 <Tomsod> Fireball, of course, but don't have it/
16:50 <elenmirie> striking/force bolt
16:50 <elenmirie> if they don't have MR
16:50 <elenmirie> which they probably do
16:50 <Tomsod> Yep.  Main attraction here.
16:50 <elenmirie> kk
16:51 <amateurhour> could you go away and get crowned to get fireball then come back?
16:51 <qt> Tomsod: what level is your character?
16:51 <elenmirie> yeah
16:51 <Tomsod> Only 12.
16:51 <elenmirie> I was just thinking, retreat, get stronger, come back
16:51 <Umbire> Same
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16:51 <mobileuser> ah I'm back
16:51 <Tomsod> Probably the safest option, but I do want that cloak.
16:51 <mobileuser> connection problems
16:52 <elenmirie> later
16:52 <mobileuser> backscroll:  I have not seen that in my infidel games
16:52 <qt> ok yeah they do get endgame gear as long as you have the amulet lol
16:52 <mobileuser> that's not what I have seen
16:52 <qt> wellll actually you're right, not necessarily... one sec
16:53 <Tomsod> From glancing at the code: register boolean ascending = special && (In_endgame(&u.uz) || u.uhave.amulet);
16:53 <amateurhour> I had a word with the internet people and put a pound in the meter to bring you back for infidel advice
16:53 <elenmirie> idk, when i was playing infidel I got used to the idea that a player monster was very fearsome
16:53 <elenmirie> and non infidel games, they are much easier early on, but don't have very much cool stuff either
16:53 <mobileuser> although I admit that I stashed the amulet in sokoban for some time...
16:53 <mobileuser> hmmm
16:53 <elenmirie> oh, you....
16:54 <amateurhour> is shirking your infidel duties going double infidel?
16:54 <qt> yeah i saw that Tomsod but i can't tell is mk_mplayer is actually used for randomly generated mplayers
16:55 <elenmirie> amateurhour...
16:55 <qt> it's used if you wish for something, and when a player monster is predefined within a level file I guess
16:55 <qt> but idk about mplayers that are just randomly generated as you wander around
16:55 <Tomsod> Me neither, actually.  But that wizard surely has reflecting armor and dragonscale something.
16:55 <elenmirie> an infide infidel?
16:55 <elenmirie> oh-em-gee
16:55 <mobileuser> amateurhour thanks btw!
16:56 <amateurhour> \o/
16:56 <K2> player monsters will start to spawn with better gear around lvl 10
16:56 <K2> lvl 20 and higher, asc level gear
16:56 <elenmirie> dl or player level?
16:56 <K2> your level
16:56 <elenmirie> kk
16:56 <Tomsod> No, I'm only 12.  Do they use mplayer.c?
16:57 <elenmirie> that's what I see non infidel, but infidel seems different
16:57 <elenmirie> I also saw player monsters with really good kit earlier
16:57 <K2> i just fired up a wizmode game as infidel, spawned player monsters at various exp level (1, 10, 15, 20), their gear is what I would expect to see
16:57 <elenmirie> as infidel
16:57 <qt> Tomsod: the gear is in makemon.c
16:57 <K2> i gotta run back in an hour or so
16:57 <elenmirie> kk
16:57 <qt> in this case
16:58 <qt> e.g. ini_mon_inv(mtmp, rn2(2) ? Level20Kit1 : Level20Kit2, (mtmp->m_lev >= 20) ? 1 : isqrt(23 - mtmp->m_lev))
16:58 <Tomsod> Oh, alright.  Then I at least should have a chance.
16:58 <qt> idk what that last argument does but these things trigger if the monster's level is at least 10
16:58 <elenmirie> quack
16:59 <mobileuser> just kill them with fireball :b 
16:59 <elenmirie> best thing, yeah
16:59 <Tomsod> Alas, don't have fireball yet.  I hoped the wand of death would work, but no luck.
17:00 <mobileuser> aklys?
17:00 <mobileuser> I heavily use aklys + lots of patience
17:00 <amateurhour> could you just leave them be for now and go get crowned?
17:00 <elenmirie> yeah, retreat
17:00 <qt> why does it use a square root for the chance of them getting each item
17:01 <Tomsod> But I don't want to be crowned yet!  If I find fireball before that, I get to unrestrict a weapon... wait, is that right?  Which git commit is hosted on the server?
17:01 <Tomsod> I remenber K2 making the weapon blessing unconditional lately.
17:02 <elenmirie> getting crowned as infidel is complicated
17:02 <elenmirie> if you get Moloch-crowned, you basically don't have the option of getting further intrinsic resistances
17:03 <elenmirie> because you are inediate and can't get crowned normally
17:03 <elenmirie> except by metalvore I suppose which is dicey at best
17:03 <Tomsod> Wait, K2 made it so demonic infidels can't eat at all?  That doesn't seem right.
17:04 <Tomsod> I only gave them intrinsic slow digestion.
17:04 <elenmirie> if you get normally crowned, you get all that stuff but then can no longer get Moloch crowned so no demon form for you!
17:04 <amateurhour> what intrinsics would you miss by getting demoncrowned?
17:04 <elenmirie> cold, shock
17:05 <elenmirie> lack of cold can be pretty bad
17:05 <Tomsod> No, really, you can't eat?
17:05 <Tomsod> How to replenish spell hunger then?
17:05 <qt> if you're inediate you don't get hungry right?
17:06 <Tomsod> Shock is gained at level 20, BTW.
17:06 * amateurhour goes to wizard mode to check
17:06 <elenmirie> ok, thanks, I may not have a clue what I'm talking about :D
17:06 * amateurhour sees there still isn't #wizcrown
17:06 <elenmirie> I just remember it being an issue
17:06 <qt> i thought being inediate basically bypasses the entire hunger system
17:06 <Tomsod> In my patch, crowning only removed the normal per-turn hunger, not any other hunger source.
17:06 <qt> but idk because I don't polyself very much
17:07 <elenmirie> I got moloch crowned too early in one game and got really screwed
17:08 <elenmirie> because you become a demon, so you get fire resistance but not other key resistances, and then you can't eat to get them, so if you don't have them already, you kind of can't get them
17:09 <elenmirie> next time I was careful not to make the same mistake
17:10 <Tomsod> Oh wait, the hosted game is dated Aug 12.  So it should have the unconditional unrestrict.  I really want the 2H sword skill, you see.
17:10 <elenmirie> can't remember exacltly what I did, but I think it was just to delay Moloch crowning until later in the game
17:10 <Tomsod> Have you tried eating, or have you just assumed you can't?
17:10 <elenmirie> no, I tried
17:11 <Tomsod> Huh.
17:11 <elenmirie> found out the hard way
17:11 <Umbire> Assuming you get permanent unchanging with the demon form too
17:11 <Tomsod> Wait a minute, I'll also wizard-test.
17:11 <Tomsod> No, there's no unchanging AFAIK.
17:11 <elenmirie> Mind you, this was some time ago, it may also have changed since then
17:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 2298 points, T:2084, killed by a winter wolf cub, while praying
17:12 <amateurhour> man getting crowned in wizard mode is annoying
17:12 <Umbire> So you could poly into an ediate form to gain intrinsics
17:13 <Umbire> If that's true for evil
17:14 <mobileuser> you can still eat as demon
17:14 <mobileuser> and gain intrinsics
17:14 <elenmirie> mmmf
17:14 <mobileuser> You MUST eat pretty often if you cast spells
17:14 <mobileuser> pretty often
17:15 <mobileuser> still have to carry enough food around
17:15 <elenmirie> on my demon ascension game: You could survive without having to eat.
17:15 <mobileuser> yeah I know, but!
17:15 <elenmirie> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/evilhack/dumplog/1602583432.evil.txt
17:15 <Tomsod> OK, my game was compiled at Jul 14, and crowned Inf could still eat back then.
17:15 <mobileuser> certain activities still make you hungry
17:15 <mobileuser> you can and must steal eat Tomsod
17:15 <elenmirie> this was Oct 2020
17:15 <mobileuser> still
17:16 <elenmirie> so, maybe it's been changed
17:16 <elenmirie> this was my experience
17:16 <mobileuser> So "You could survive without having to eat." stills shows
17:17 <mobileuser> but again, if you do stuff you will still get hungry
17:17 <elenmirie> lol, EPI, convict can only eat stolen food
17:17 <mobileuser> heh
17:17 <mobileuser> it's even worse, you can still faint when "You could survive without having to eat."
17:18 <elenmirie> I don't remember that happening
17:18 <mobileuser> this happened to Tinklebear
17:18 <elenmirie> but again, maybe it's changed
17:19 <elenmirie> so what does, you could survive without having to eat get you, aside from enough tears to fill an ocean?
17:19 <mobileuser> slow digestion
17:19 <elenmirie> that's waht you get for your devotion
17:19 <Tomsod> It's like a ring of slow digestion, but without a ring.
17:19 <elenmirie> false advertising
17:19 <mobileuser> yeah, it's a vanilla description
17:20 <elenmirie> that's not what slow digestion is
17:20 <elenmirie> no, it isn't 
17:20 <elenmirie> vanilla says you have slow digestion or something like taht
17:20 <qt> i thought vanilla description is "your digestion is slowed" or something
17:20 <elenmirie> yeah
17:20 <mobileuser> hmmm
17:20 <mobileuser> to the wiki
17:20 <Tomsod> Would it be better if you lacked the need -- an ability -- to eat altogether?  That was an option, but I deemed it too cruel.
17:20 <elenmirie> ahoy!
17:20 <Tomsod> *and ability
17:21 <elenmirie> that's what I thought was implemented tbh
17:21 <mobileuser> unclear
17:21 <elenmirie> but again... it may have changed
17:21 <elenmirie> from last october
17:21 <mobileuser> not being able to gain intrinsics from eating would be cruel
17:21 <qt> amateurhour: https://termbin.com/zwhv lol
17:21 <qt> brb
17:22 <Tomsod> Perhaps K2 tweaked something and then later reverted it.
17:22 <elenmirie> mobileuser: you've met K2, right?
17:22 <mobileuser> no never :-)
17:22 <elenmirie> virtually
17:22 <elenmirie> you have
17:23 <elenmirie> you know, although he's a lovely bloke, he is at the same time an evil so-and-so
17:23 <mobileuser> well, virtually I played some chess games with him
17:23 <amateurhour> qt I have sent a wizcrown diff to K2 three different times :P
17:24 <elenmirie> his variant is called evilhack
17:24 <amateurhour> I added a different crown related quote as a comment each time, wondering which one I'd see when it got added
17:24 <elenmirie> lol
17:24 <elenmirie> think of the doggos
17:24 <amateurhour> I think the most recent one was 'uneasy is the head which wears a crown'
17:24 <elenmirie> nice
17:25 <amateurhour> it's gonna be qt's that gets added, f a v o u r i t i s m
17:25 <elenmirie> lol
17:26 <elenmirie> Tomsod: entirely possilbe
17:27 <elenmirie> possible even
17:27 <elenmirie> now I sort of want to play infidel again
17:27 <elenmirie> jsut after I finish this infernal elf monk
17:27 <amateurhour> you could do rotten things your god wouldn't approve of and pretend you're an infidel
17:27 <mobileuser> oh elenmirie, you could choose to skip Vecna
17:27 <elenmirie> I have been doing rotten things
17:27 <elenmirie> all the time!
17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Con Hum Mal Cha), 70 points, T:374, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food
17:28 <elenmirie> mobileuser: and just deal with the liches?
17:28 <mobileuser> but then you have to keep dealing with alhoons and liches
17:28 <mobileuser> yeah
17:28 <elenmirie> yeah
17:28 <elenmirie> tbh there are things more worth getting rid of
17:29 <elenmirie> except the evil Himalayan mountain has made lots of them un-get-riddable of
17:29 <mobileuser> lol
17:30 <mobileuser> or untameable
17:30 <elenmirie> i've gone toe-to-toe with alhoons on occasion, they're not so bad if you're prepared
17:30 <amateurhour> getting new pets is cheating
17:30 <amateurhour> cheating on ur lil starting friendo
17:30 <mobileuser> especially if you have the anthoon hat
17:30 <elenmirie> aw
17:31 <mobileuser> * anti-alhoon
17:31 <mobileuser> can't type
17:31 <elenmirie> I got the pegasus but she got swallowed by a dragon
17:31 <Tomsod> BTW, my starting homunculus always dies to zombies.
17:31 <Tomsod> The only time it didn't is when I polymorphed it.
17:31 <elenmirie> tragic
17:31 <mobileuser> welcome to evilhack :-)
17:31 <elenmirie> yeah, Tomsod, that will happen
17:32 <Umbire> Zombies in general are pet splatters
17:32 <elenmirie> one thing I was wondering, if you can toss a pet a eucalyptus leaf
17:32 <amateurhour> but it's okay they can't spawn on dlvl 1 if you're xlvl 1 :^)
17:32 <elenmirie> I've not had an opportunity to try
17:32 <Tomsod> I mean, the main purpose of giving Inf this pet was to make create familiar more like demonology, but it still sucks.
17:33 <elenmirie> dog or cat won't eat it, but a horse will
17:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Con Hum Mal Cha), 369 points, T:1024, killed by a bone crossbow bolt
17:33 <elenmirie> maybe?
17:33 <Umbire> and sure enough level 2
17:33 <elenmirie> or maybe the great mountain boi could make any pet eat it if in trouble
17:33 <amateurhour> hey Tomsod did you see that in the past you could ascend early using hooa and gain level to go to the planes?
17:34 <elenmirie> lol
17:34 <elenmirie> that was squashed pretty early on
17:34 <amateurhour> K2 left it in for a couple of weeks after it was discovered but noone took advantage of it
17:34 <Tomsod> Yes, i caught this.  Bugs happen.
17:35 <amateurhour> I was wondering if it was partially intended
17:35 * elenmirie casts summon insects
17:35 <amateurhour> like you'd thought out hooa effects generally
17:35 <Tomsod> Haha, no, of course not.
17:35 <elenmirie> :D
17:36 <mobileuser> alternative win scenario: kill the moloch high priest and ascend with hooa
17:36 <mobileuser> would still force you to do the invocation
17:36 <amateurhour> that's... a really cool idea haha
17:36 <amateurhour> double infidel!
17:36 <elenmirie> serious question: If I never close the loop with my quest leader, can I still win?
17:37 <mobileuser> sore point that
17:37 <elenmirie> because I haven't, I just legged it with the Eyes
17:37 <mobileuser> you must at least talk to the quest leader
17:37 <elenmirie> Even though I'm chaotic, I find killing my quest leader abhorent
17:37 <Tomsod> What happens if you don't talk?
17:38 <mobileuser> running away is allowed after chatting
17:38 <mobileuser> if you don't talk the Bell won't work
17:38 <elenmirie> and I'm pretty sure he's not going to be tremendously pleased with me
17:38 <mobileuser> at the invocation
17:38 <elenmirie> ok, got it
17:38 <amateurhour> hey there's an upside of the eyes!
17:38 <mobileuser> heh
17:38 <amateurhour> they're rubbish enough to nonironically consider leaving them!
17:38 <mobileuser> \o/
17:38 <Tomsod> Noted.  But you can delay talking till the endgame, then.
17:39 <elenmirie> no
17:39 <mobileuser> yes
17:39 <elenmirie> sorry, my no was to amateurhour :D
17:39 <mobileuser> just go have that talk just before the asc run
17:39 <mobileuser> lol
17:39 <elenmirie> yeah, I wouldn't want to leave it to a point where Rodders could show up to spoil the party
17:40 <elenmirie> life's tough enough allready
17:40 <Tomsod> You can delay killing him too?  I usually do.
17:40 <elenmirie> wait
17:40 <elenmirie> maybe...
17:40 <elenmirie> you could get Rodney to turn up
17:40 <mobileuser> how does that help
17:41 <elenmirie> quest leader takes the Eyes, then Rodders steals them off him
17:41 <Tomsod> They will fight maybe?
17:41 <elenmirie> Idk
17:41 <elenmirie> maybe
17:41 <mobileuser> epic
17:41 <amateurhour> that's such an epic idea I really want that to be real
17:41 <mobileuser> Master Po vs the Wizard
17:41 <Tomsod> I think the amulet-stealing attack doesn't work on monsters, though.
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17:41 <Umbire> Rodney just has to death touch him once anyway
17:41 <Umbire> (I think)
17:42 <elenmirie> probably it doesnt anymore, but we used to get asmo to fight the high priest of moloch in 3.4.3
17:42 <Tomsod> But there were real 3.4.3 strategies for siccing demon princes on the high priest of Moloch.
17:42 <elenmirie> but all that's been nerfed forever 
17:43 <elenmirie> I don't know, and I'm probably not willing to risk my game for science :D
17:43 <mobileuser> aw...
17:43 <elenmirie> don't double dare me
17:44 <mobileuser> I have to agree with you there :-)
17:44 <elenmirie> I'll never forgive you
17:44 <amateurhour> I'm still hoping someone can pull off the demons vs angels in astral
17:44 <elenmirie> That would be awesome
17:44 <mobileuser> chances of that have become less
17:44 <Tomsod> I mean, Infidels can summon demons anywhere.
17:44 <Tomsod> Not lords/princes, though.
17:44 <amateurhour> Tomsod: I mean by bringing peaceful demon lords along for the ride
17:44 <elenmirie> no, I mean demon princes, all the way up to astral
17:45 <elenmirie> they follow you
17:45 <mobileuser> not anymore
17:45 <elenmirie> I had Demo and one of the others
17:45 <Umbire> Oh, does your god get angry with you as a Priest if you use darts?
17:45 <amateurhour> nerfed :(
17:45 <mobileuser> there was a recent change elenmirie
17:45 <elenmirie> but then there were earthquakes and they got pissed off and blamed me
17:45 <Umbire> Or is that just restricted like all non-blunt weapons
17:45 <Tomsod> Yes, I wrote it actually.
17:45 <elenmirie> ok, ok, the dream is dead
17:45 <mobileuser> elenmirie the earthquake thing was fixed fortunately
17:46 <elenmirie> I so wanted to lead a demon prince parade to astral
17:46 <Tomsod> Hostile princes still should follow you, though.
17:46 <elenmirie> demo versus the archangels, epic
17:47 <mobileuser> Umbire I think darts are a no-no
17:47 <mobileuser> aklys is fine
17:47 <Umbire> God gets angry, got it
17:47 <Umbire> No, I know to go for aklys
17:47 <Umbire> (and I'm a giant so I have boulders anyway)
17:47 <elenmirie> temperamental old fools, gods
17:47 <elenmirie> lol
17:47 <Umbire> just wondering what was plain restricted and what would actively anger your god
17:48 <elenmirie> why throw a dart when you can slam a boulder?
17:48 <Umbire> you can't poison boulders
17:48 <elenmirie> why not?
17:48 <mobileuser> ^ idea right there
17:48 <elenmirie> given enough potions of sickness...
17:48 <elenmirie> new item: bathtub
17:49 <mobileuser> idea: giants can rip sinks out of the ground
17:49 <elenmirie> you can empty potions into it and imbue large objects with the properties of the potions
17:49 <elenmirie> lol great stuff!
17:50 <Tomsod> Anyway, I just found the identify spell and I'm going to farm magic with Secespita for a while, so goodbye!
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17:50 <elenmirie> nice, ID spell is great
17:50 <amateurhour> good luck Tomsod!
17:50 <elenmirie> bye!
17:51 <amateurhour> oh they left super quick
17:51 <elenmirie> in the blink of an eye
17:52 <elenmirie> maybe they thought we were a bit daft
17:52 <elenmirie> well, me
17:52 <elenmirie> ;)
17:53 <elenmirie> anyway, it's nearly 11, better head off to bed.
17:53 <amateurhour> same
17:53 <elenmirie> good luck with the games everyone
17:53 <amateurhour> sleep well!
17:53 <elenmirie> you too!
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17:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)]
17:58 <mobileuser> oh they are gone :-)
17:59 <mobileuser> well, bedtime for me too, see you later!
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18:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una), 95606 points, T:22719, killed by a leocrotta, while paralyzed by a monster
18:02 <Umbire> F
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18:02 <Umbire> :c
18:02 <Tomsod> What even happened?  I hit a gnoll cleric and suddenly I die.  Was I paralyzed?
18:02 <Umbire> Yes, gnoll clerics have... clerical spells
18:03 <Umbire> Including paralysis, as it happens
18:03 <Tomsod> Well, that sucks.
18:03 <nabru> !lastgame Tomsod 
18:03 <Hecubus> nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tomsod/evilhack/dumplog/1628461508.evil.html
18:04 <Tomsod> I can't even see the paralysis itself in the log, but it can be inferred.
18:04 -!- qt has joined #evilhack
18:05 <Tomsod> It's not in the attributes list, though.
18:05 <Umbire> Yeah, enemy casters are no joke
18:05 <Umbire> Attributes?
18:05 <qt> !tell amateurhour frankly, i don't think #wizcrown would be an appropriate addition to the game. how often do you really need to use it, even when debugging? it's not of critical importance like, say, #wizsmell
18:05 <Hecubus> amateurhour shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, qt.
18:06 <Umbire> ...what IS wizsmell for anyway
18:06 <Umbire> Tomsod: "Bad things happened on Friday the 13th."
18:06 <qt> to smell things
18:06 <Tomsod> Umbire: "you were *"
18:07 <Umbire> probably wore off the turn you died?
18:07 <Umbire> iono
18:07 <Tomsod> I guess.
18:08 <Tomsod> Alternatively I accidentally pasted 100 dots, which would be even more embarassing.
18:08 <Tomsod> (Somehow.)
18:09 <K2> :/
18:11 <K2> crowned infidel in demonic form could always eat, they just dont have to as often. I need to change the 'inediate' description
18:11 <K2> it has caused a bit of confusion it seems
18:11 <K2> qt: #wizcrown would be super useful testing infidel crowning
18:12 <K2> i dont recall amateurhour ever sending me a PR or a diff for it
18:12 <qt> even then, you would only use it once. compare to wizsmell, which you could use hundreds of times within a single game
18:12 <qt> thousands, even
18:12 <Tomsod> Anyway, I hope I at least left bones.  Knowing that my wand of death and 3 artifacts can still be useful to someone would bring me some consolation.
18:12 <K2> well lets see
18:12 <Tomsod> I crowned a lot while testing the patch.
18:13 <Tomsod> But it's all tested now, though.
18:13 <K2> yup you left bones
18:14 <K2> Tomsod you saw we addressed the polywand zap player bit?
18:14 <Tomsod> Yes, there were commits.  It's nice, I suppose.
18:15 <Tomsod> Oh, and what do you think about my Inf quest leader proposals?
18:15 <K2> you're hard to please arent you
18:15 <K2> next wedding anniversary when my wife and I exchange gifts, i'm gonna say 'that's nice, I suppose' and see what happens
18:16 <K2> :)
18:16 <Tomsod> There wasn't a commit for bringing back my speed boots, though.
18:16 <K2> well we cant have everything 
18:16 <qt> k2 here's an important patch for you. way better than wizcrown https://termbin.com/tmiv6
18:16 <qt> it's an important enhancement to wizsmell
18:16 <K2> lol
18:17 <K2> oh my
18:17 <K2> Tomsod: inf quest leader proposal, was that from the last conversation we had when you were here?
18:17 <Tomsod> Yes, you left before I wrote it out.
18:17 <K2> i remember the blood magic bit, that's going to ahppen eventually
18:18 <K2> *happen
18:18 <qt> "You surreptitiously sniff under your foreleg.  You notice a dog smell."
18:18 <K2> please refresh my memory on the inf quest leader bits
18:18 <K2> omg qt lol
18:18 <Tomsod> I'll reiterate then.
18:19 <Tomsod> Either make the Archbishop return the Idol to you at the Sanctum (good idea) or (evil idea) make them attack you outright and drop a note with the clue on death.
18:19 <Tomsod> Both would make more sense than the current status quo.
18:19 <qt> what happens currently?
18:19 <K2> same as what happens with other roles
18:20 <K2> if they ask for the quest artifact, you either return it or dont
18:20 <qt> "You surreptitiously sniff under your arm.  You smell rotting flesh." lol
18:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Con Hum Mal Cha), 1475 points, T:3295, killed by a straw golem, while being terrified of a ghost
18:20 <Tomsod> They take the Idol, but not the Amulet.  It doesn't make sense given the lore.
18:20 <K2> they should take both
18:21 <K2> 'Steve here is the new chosen one, he's going to complete the quest for Moloch'
18:21 <Tomsod> It's one option, then.  They should kill you, even.  Because backstab.
18:21 <K2> so you know me, i lean towards evil ideas
18:21 <K2> i mean, i have to. it's in the name
18:21 <Tomsod> That's why I provided one!
18:22 <K2> \o/
18:22 <K2> ok. I will consider your proposal. I like it
18:22 <Tomsod> And the note would be more smooth than the second vision, too.
18:22 <K2> thank you for the suggestions, they are always welcome (and encouraged)
18:23 <K2> the note should be on a scroll made of their last sacrifice's skin/hide
18:23 <Tomsod> Leather scroll of mail?
18:23 <K2> heh
18:23 <K2> you read the note. it says 'It puts the lotion in the basket!'
18:24 <K2> if no one gets that movie reference, I will be sad
18:24 <K2> :P
18:24 <Tomsod> Silence of the Lambs?
18:24 <K2> YES
18:24 <Tomsod> Never watched it, though.
18:24 <K2> its a really good movie
18:25 <K2> creey as hell
18:25 <K2> *creepy
18:25 <Tomsod> Noted.
18:25 <K2> i should watch that tonight, wife and kid at her sister's house
18:25 <K2> hah
18:26 <K2> alright so, this weekend expect to see some commits based on your feedback
18:26 <K2> quest leader and/or blood magic
18:27 <Tomsod> OK, I'll check them.  Goodnight!  (unless it's still day for you upside-down people)
18:27 <K2> heh
18:27 <K2> 6:27pm here
18:27 <K2> and gnite o/
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18:27 <K2> must - finish - mowing
18:27 <K2> bbl
18:31 <qt> You surreptitiously sniff under your fin.  You smell fish.
18:31 <aosdict> I don't think fish work that way
18:48 <Umbire> You see here a blessed pair of silver mud boots (for sale, 149 zorkmids).
18:49 <Umbire> You see here a wooden mace (for sale, 112 zorkmids).
18:49 <Umbire> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
19:12 <Umbire> Cool, forge blew up and took all my potions with it
19:13 <Umbire> Giant jewelers on DL4, hm hmmm
19:14 <Umbire> (not giant-run, just big shop)
19:15 <aosdict> the evilhack devteam has arranged for a devastating punishment for forge dipping, it's called forge dipping
19:18 <Umbire> look how else do you expect me to dispose of zombies this early
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19:37 <Umbire> lol I found an orcish helm of fucking telepathy
19:48 <arahael> i still don't understand the #enchance thing.  is there any reason not to enchance something?  i mean, yes - there is a limited set of skill slots.  but how does one determine the benefit?
19:48 <arahael> eg, i am, as an illithid wizard, now "basic" in dagger.  any point in upgrading that further?
19:48 <Pinkbeast> If you stab things with a dagger, yes.
19:48 <Umbire> Depends on how you're playing
19:49 <Umbire> Wizards in particular might wanna save those points for spell stuff for example
19:49 <Pinkbeast> And unless evil is radically different, almost anyone likes throwing stacks of daggers at things.
19:49 <Umbire> Plans to two-weapon in general, etc.
19:51 <arahael> Pinkbeast: yeah, my primary ranged stuff is spells really.
19:51 <arahael> wizards can't two weapon.
19:52 <Pinkbeast> arahael: Especially once you have the Orb, you might run low on mana. But in the end I'd just ask myself if, right now, I used daggers much on non-windshield kills.
19:52 <arahael> skilled in quarterstaff - i must have upgraded that one already.
19:52 <arahael> Pinkbeast: non-windshield?
19:52 <arahael> i don't think i have ever really used the orb.
19:52 <Pinkbeast> A windshield kill is one that doesn't pose any real threat, like a motor car splattering an insect
19:53 <arahael> ah.
19:53 <arahael> pets are good for those.
19:53 <Pinkbeast> Orb. Er. I mean the Amulet.
19:53 <arahael> ah.
19:53 <arahael> thats a long way yet to go.
19:54 <arahael> by the time i have the amulet, i think i'll have worked out a startegy and i assume being "basic" would be enough to take care of most things given i'll be high level by then.
19:55 <arahael> currently mounted my psuedodragon.
19:55 <Pinkbeast> Mmm. But again, I think the important question now is - do you use daggers on non-trivial encounters?
19:55 <Umbire> WHY
19:56 <Umbire> All the fucking disposal I've done over several games and now I've had two forges explode on me
19:56 <arahael> Pinkbeast: it is currently my primary weapon - an enchanted crude dagger of fire.
19:56 <Umbire> This is fucking stupid
19:57 <arahael> Umbire: the RNG must have heard you and is punishing you :)
20:01 <arahael> hmm, final floor of soko.  hard to decide what i should get.
20:02 <arahael> already have MR, which i am not wearing. already have reflection, which i am not wearing. (they are thoroughly burnt or cursed)
20:03 <arahael> speed helm could be useful but don't want GoProtection, will go for bag.
20:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:7778
20:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 3501 points, T:7798, zombified by a gnome zombie
20:08 <Umbire> chintzed by date luck
20:09 <arahael> oof.
20:16 <arahael> eating while satiated is still dangerious even when wearing magical breathing, right?
20:17 <arahael> looks like it's ok.
20:21 <Umbire> You vomit and lose a bunch of that nutrition so
20:22 <arahael> yep, worth the risk.
20:22 <arahael> wanted to eat all the elves!
20:22 <aosdict> Umbire: in evilhack I think you might still have a chance of choking
20:22 <arahael> kept one alive for laterand then ate that too.
20:22 <arahael> aosdict: really!? :(
20:23 <aosdict> I don't know for sure
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20:38 * arahael wonders if he can kick or burn the soko doors down or if that still counts as "choosing" a door.
20:38 <arahael> no obj detection yet. :(
20:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful warhorse, on T:13895
20:40 <arahael> oops.
20:40 <aosdict> it counts as choosing a door
20:40 <arahael> chaotics should be ok with that imho. was the pet's fault for standing next to a gas spore.
20:40 <arahael> aosdict: thanks. :(
20:41 <arahael> i probably should have exploded the spore next to the doors!
20:44 <K2> Umbire - if your luck is zero or less, there's a chance a forge will explode on you when you dip things into it
20:44 <K2> friday the 13th probably isnt the best day to dip things in a forge
20:44 <Umbire> Yeah, somehow didn't think of that.
20:45 <K2> correction, negative luck
20:45 <K2> zero luck, you're ok 
20:51 <arahael> K2: what about eating while satiated with amulet of magical breathing?
20:51 <K2> i never changed that behavior
20:52 <arahael> nice, so i can keep abusing that.
21:02 <rebatela> !whereis elenmirie
21:02 <Hecubus> rebatela: elenmirie is not playing.
21:02 <rebatela> yeah but she is somehwere cuz she hasn't died... 
21:03 <rebatela> deep i know...
21:03 <rebatela> i just don't want to play this chaotic elf anymore. i suck at it . real bad 
21:03 <Umbire> she is asleep
21:03 <rebatela> hehe
21:04 <rebatela> was she playing earlier? I think she's onl vacation or somehting. I 'm not a stalker 
21:04 <rebatela> i'm gonna go back to a role i dont die at instantly 
21:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Law), 603 points, T:2853, poisoned by a hobbit zombie
21:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 42371 points, T:16199, killed by a death ray
21:36 <arahael> Such a good game there. :(
21:36 <arahael> Didn't expect a death ray that early.
21:38 <nabru> D:
21:38 <nabru> !lastgame arahael 
21:38 <Hecubus> nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1600586690.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1628846738.evil.html
21:39 <arahael> nabru: It was preventible, too, sadly. I had reflection and MR, just wasn't wearing it as they were either cursed or so badly damaged that one more hit would destroy them.
21:39 <arahael> Was saving them for the quest.
21:42 <rebatela> game sucks. that's the kinda bs that happens
21:42 <rebatela> ;)
21:42 <rebatela> j/k
21:42 <rebatela> that's what makes it fun, right arahael? 
21:42 <rebatela> go look at my deaths. i have like 300 hundred over the last day or so
21:43 <rebatela> lots of robes and +2 leather gloves bones 
21:43 <rebatela> but i love the game!
21:43 <rebatela> i was saying earlier i love the wizard bones
21:43 <nabru> I can barely make it to Sokoban in evil
21:44 <rebatela> you get that psuedo dragon and the mr cloak
21:44 <rebatela> i'll take it
21:44 <rebatela> throw the thing a fortune cookie and we are good to go
21:44 <rebatela> well you should play wizards nabru
21:44 <nabru> I might try them
21:44 <rebatela> and be sure to make it to lvl 3 or whatever
21:45 <rebatela> (kidding i just want the bones)
21:45 <rebatela> i made it pretty far ridingin a psuedo dragon as a monk. you can't do that in vanilla
21:46 <rebatela> the saddle gets left behind usually too  and isn't usually cursed i don't think
21:46 <rebatela> if anyone is bored https://www.twitch.tv/trubador420
21:47 <rebatela> my favorite band coming on live on the beach in antlantic city
21:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1977 points, T:3372, zombified by a diseased elf corpse
21:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Con Hob Mal Cha), 32 points, T:207, killed by a crossbow bolt
22:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) had a slippery cloak entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:41319
22:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:42319
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23:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 1995 points, T:4090, quit