00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 407 points, T:1194, killed by a sewer rat 00:28 no 00:29 hmm yes, sorry 00:30 see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/e8ef3991947bcadeaa27531bad9b6ba03f745666 00:30 some of the changes only apply to cave(wo)man role 00:48 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JRaxf 00:48 [EvilHack] k21971 4edeb61 - Fix: barrow wight's spell attack should be last in the chain. 00:48 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.8] 00:48 !who 00:48 K2: [hdf-us] DeathDealer [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 00:57 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Kni Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20879 01:13 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:26 !who 01:26 K2: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] DeathDealer [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 02:28 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 02:34 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #evilhack 02:36 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:55 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Kni Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:23463 03:44 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 04:07 goddamn soldiers got to the WoW 04:07 does this happen to anyone else? 04:08 and neither of them had a key. box was just unlocked with the wand on the floor empty 05:05 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Kni Elf Mal Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:26751 05:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) entered the Planes, on T:74374 05:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided electric eels, on T:74470 05:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided krakens, on T:74472 05:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:56812 05:56 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 06:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed Pestilence, on T:74554 07:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the White Horse, on T:74556 07:07 gg 07:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the high priestess, on T:74586 07:15 congrats! 07:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una), 5732833 points, T:74602, ascended (with the Idol) 07:15 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1627628447.evil.html 07:15 thx! 07:16 how do you learn which altar to invoke the idol on? I don't understand that part 07:16 the high priest of Moloch gives hints 07:22 sorry people, Moloch has the amulet now, you are going to have to retrieve it yet again 07:24 gratz mobileuser! 07:25 thank you! 07:47 -!- bouquet__ has joined #evilhack 07:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [*.net *.split] 07:51 -!- bouquet has quit [*.net *.split] 07:51 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 07:57 -!- bhaak has joined #evilhack 08:01 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:16 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:38 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 09:14 so WoW is 0:0 thanks to the yendorian army 09:14 I've seen 2 artifacts that I know of. I want to wish for dragonbane and/or ring of p'hul 09:14 ugh 09:15 so evil 09:15 i think i will just settle on dragonbane and maybe a t-shirt if i'm lucky 09:15 hehe it IS evil. I don't care, but i do feel like i'm the only one it happens to ! :) 09:15 you are not 09:15 i never hear of other people having to find the wand on the ground all used and sticky 09:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonbane", on T:21815 09:17 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 50 points, T:159, killed by a cadaver 09:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:21877 09:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:23227 09:34 \o/ 09:34 extra slippery 09:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:23233 09:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 09:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:37 what do you want to enchant? 09:38 wow you actually changed enchant armor to do that? 09:39 thanks to amateurhour! 09:39 i feel like i'm dreaming 09:39 i don't even think i like the change. You're supposed to be able to screw up and evaporate your armor 09:39 no need to take off other armor anymore \o/ 09:40 it also works for confused enchant armor \o/ 09:40 you still screw up, just pick the wrong one! 09:40 problem solved ;-) 09:40 * can still 09:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:25516 09:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25519 09:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:7659 10:00 i need to nurse dance or do alchemy or something. I don't think 63hp is gonna cut it much longer 10:02 almost just died again 10:02 I had 3 whole wraiths on my vecna level 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Mars, on T:8337 10:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:29863 10:42 mobileuser: oh yeah I forgot that got nerfed. Thank goodness! It was really really bothering me that other people were gaining levels so easily... /s 10:43 fixed 10:43 not nerfed 10:43 f i x e d 10:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:30347 11:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 32 points, T:69, killed by a fox 11:08 nice 11:09 "mobileuser: oh yeah I forgot..." <- why only the other people? couldn't you do the same? 11:10 I like the change, you're supposed to struggle to gain levels, no more easybabyhack 11:11 congrats mobileuser! 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha) had a bone heavy mace entrusted to him by Mars, on T:9025 11:12 Demonbone 11:12 nice 11:15 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JRrXb 11:15 [EvilHack] k21971 f0eed6a - tty: use bright colors directly on supporting terminals. 11:15 qt ^ 11:18 sweet 11:20 it's annoying SSH SetEnv won't override TERM 11:20 !who 11:20 K2: [hdf-us] Umbire [evil] Drizossk [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 11:21 any chance you would apt-get install kitty-terminfo on hdf so I don't have to mess with TERM 11:21 sure 11:22 omg my hero 11:22 honestly i was so nervous about asking that, it seemed like a pretty annoying request lol 11:22 lacca: nah I was being a sarcastic brat with my comment. I definitely don't care that other people could level up easily and I was doing much of the same.. I'm not the one who petitioned to get it changed 11:22 Unable to locate package kitty-terminfo 11:23 plan B 11:23 oh bummer, it's supposed to be available on ubuntu 11:23 oh well 11:23 command may be different 11:23 i'll get it sorted 11:24 looks like kitty-terminfo comes with ubuntu as of version 20.04 and later 11:25 hdf-us is 18.04 11:25 oh yeah I guess that's the reason. no worries, it's not a big deal to mess with it on my end 11:26 apparently the kitty maintainer has some kind of long-running feud with the termcap people, which is why it's a separate package 11:28 kitty's the one that WONTFIX bold-black, right? 11:28 yeah 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Drizossk (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2594 points, T:2647, killed by a gnoll 11:30 so it doesnt come with ubuntu 20.04 by default but you can install it, which i just did on my wizmode box 11:31 hmm where did it put its terminfo file... 11:31 i think it's probably in /usr/share/terminfo/78 11:32 that's just based on looking at the contents of the terminfo dir in the kitty repo 11:32 hah yeah i'm going down the list 11:32 ./etc/terminfo then /lib/ 11:33 i guess 78 is hex representation of 'x' 11:33 and there it is 11:33 ./usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm-kitty 11:34 oh interesting that it's under 'x' instead of '78', on my macos machine everything is listed under hex representations of the ascii chars instead of the characters themselves 11:35 oh maybe so that they can differentiate between 'x' and 'X' on a case insensitive filesystem 11:35 gonna copy this file over to hdf-us 11:35 put it in proper place in the chroot 11:35 see if it works 11:37 i have a lot of interesting terminfo files, i wonder what 'newhpkeyboard' is 11:38 qt give it a try on hdf-us 11:38 xterm-kitty 11:38 yay 11:38 it works! 11:38 \o/ 11:38 thank you! 11:38 sweet 11:38 wow that's awesome. really, thanks so much 11:38 so what's the difference using it? 11:39 it just means I can type 'ssh hdf' instead of 'TERM=xterm-256color ssh hdf' 11:39 \o/ 11:39 and still get all 16 colors 11:39 awesome 11:39 i'll update evilhack here soon so you get 16 colors there too 11:39 unnethack has this update too right? 11:40 brb 11:40 yeah unnethack has it already, that's how I checked it was working 11:40 it has a nice #showcolors debug command that prints out your TERM, number of supported colors from termcap, and shows you how the 16 colors look 11:41 thanks again for doing that.. I know it was a bit of a hassle 11:43 I like the change, you're supposed to struggle to gain levels, no more easybabyhack --- the vegan player is on board with the wraith change? lol 11:46 glad to help qt 11:46 i should put this on the other 2 servers as well 11:47 qt just for grins if you dont mind, try hdf-eu 11:47 OS is older on that box, wanna make sure it works ok 11:48 it's working on there too 11:48 wooot 11:49 ok xterm-kitty is on all three servers now 11:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2561 points, T:2119, killed by a giant anaconda 11:55 termcap update is live for evilhack 11:56 its like christmas for qt today 11:56 thank you santa 11:56 ho ho ho 11:57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbto52g6LvU 12:01 Alright you dickhead elemental, time for round two 12:01 Get two-hit, scrub 12:02 man i've come so close to dying to them (earth and air) in my game 12:02 finally got a few more hitpoints 12:03 This one was from a converted altar 12:03 Kinda forgot about that 12:05 Also want a replacement for my current helm, mithril is great but it seriously fucks with my casting 12:18 yeah? I thought mithril barely did anything in that regard 12:20 i know it affects it but it's not like iron or whatever. You are still playing giant though right? yeah HoB will help a lot since you can't wear robe 12:21 It does, actually 12:21 Much like mithril coats in vanilla 12:21 (not to that degree thankfully, but still a hamper on casting) 12:22 keep an eye out for those staffs. you might get gifted them too. Some games i find them all over the place and then others i never see one. they are easy to miss becaues it will just say like an oak staff or a wormword staff etc. 12:25 are there still wraiths in the valley of the dead?? Hopefully I can still gain a few levels 12:31 yes that wasnt changed 12:31 I know the casting staffs, yeah 12:31 Haven't seen one 12:31 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/874691266317795378/unknown.png 12:31 (Eric Andre voice) Let me in! LEMME IIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNN 12:34 well that's good hopefully i can get all the benefits that monks get before people cry about it. Monks get EVERYTHING these days 12:35 good point, maybe the xlvl benefits should be removed 12:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 520370 points, T:32553, killed by a blast of disintegration 12:41 rip me 12:41 rip :( 12:41 amateurhour: because you play a conduct and don't eat wraiths? I mean, I'm joking around but you don't see how you are kind of biased? 12:42 I'm joking too :P 12:42 there's a reason it's a conduct 12:43 !lastgame 12:43 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Drizossk/evilhack/dumplog/1624659361.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1628338081.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1628601417.evil.html 12:43 I can't tell if you're angry at the wraith nerf at vecna's branch 12:44 not sure how i went all tinklebear nudist there 12:44 nah i think the nerf needed to happen 12:44 i think everyone knew that. it doesn't bother me at all. 12:46 i'm a little bothered by the way it happened and things that were said. But not really. I will just root against certain people i suppose. And that's never how i looked at it. The game is f'ing hard. I thought we were all on the same side. I don't find glee in nerfing other people's strategies. I'm sure the vecna branch was going to be fixed on its own. It's not like k2 doesn't play the game... 12:46 ...I think that about removes all doubt. ('-' ) 12:47 yeah? 12:47 I thought you hated everything that made it easier 12:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 12:49 wow rebatela total baller move there, getting naked and daring that black dragon to show you what it's got 12:49 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:49 it doesn't effect me. I ascend just fine... i found it snarky or something though. It's all good 12:50 lol vaderflag: I know right? 12:50 definitely wasn't intentional 12:50 There should be livelog messages for stuff like that. [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) dodged a disintegration blast naked 12:53 it had a tattletale element to it. and the texts literally went from "Monks get everything these days" to "k2 did you see my comment last night about the vecna branch?!" and it's just not how i roll. I'm not watching some strategy than one of the handful of people who plays this game does and then ratting them out because it's something i don't have the patience for, or isn't a role i play etc. 12:54 my 'unneccesary drama' alarm is going off 12:54 different strokes. It really doens't affect me. I'm not trying to compete with anyone either though. I look at k2 as the competetion. I'm not trying to help him make the game harder for other roles lol 12:54 hehe i know. 12:54 i'm out dude 12:54 peace 12:54 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:55 all i have for lunch are these cheddar jalapeno flavored lays potato chips 12:56 this makes me sad 12:56 * nabru sends a few food rations to K2 12:56 o/ 12:56 * Umbire donates a flesh golem corpse to k2 12:56 hah 12:56 meat 13:01 ...reba dying reminds me, though. 13:02 I do not have much recourse against disintegration. 13:02 no reflection yet? 13:02 Yet 13:02 But I'm speaking in the general sense of "oh right, can't wear body armor" 13:02 "...fuck :^D" 13:03 fyi - eating snark/boojum corpses confers a bit of disint res. even just having a lil bit will prevent you from being disintegrated outright 13:11 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:11243 13:32 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:34 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 13:35 -!- amateurhour has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36 lacca thanks! 13:37 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 13:42 K2: Sick, so you're saying I should revgeno snarks 13:44 you could 13:44 be mindful, some snarks turn into boojums 13:44 you dont wanna mess with a group of boojums 13:45 I never got the issue with boojums, why are they bad? 13:47 Once a boojum teleported me into lava because I had fireproof boots but the rest of my inventory burned 13:49 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #evilhack 13:49 ^ that, they teleport you. and also hit very hard (by the time you meet them your AC is usually good enough) 13:50 Yeah, I was like, the teleporting thing is a bit irritating but mild, generally - and yeah, the AC's generally good enough by then. I didn't think about the lava thing, though. 13:50 -!- amateurhour has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by amateurh1ur))] 13:50 -!- amateurh1ur is now known as amateurhour 13:54 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as ChrisANG 14:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:33863 14:10 Oh right, forgot boojums did the quantum mechanic thing 14:21 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #evilhack 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a magical ironshod staff entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:34532 14:25 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:26 -!- amateurh1ur is now known as amateurhour 14:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a leocrotta, on T:11736 14:44 -!- Tomsod has joined #evilhack 14:50 Trying to ascend Infidel again. Just had a gnoll zap polymorph at me and not only I lost some good body armor, but my speed boots are leather gloves now! Monster polymorph zaps should really use the bypass system for symmetry with players. 14:50 The problem there is actually the "force bolt" problem, sorta 14:51 heya Tomsod 14:51 Yeah, hi. 14:51 A beam affects a monster and then anything that monster dropped (e.g., as a result of them dying to said force bolt) 14:51 that is why tomsod says to use the bypass system 14:51 It's why you don't point striking wands at nymphs/floating eyes 14:51 Ye 14:51 the boots turning to gloves would have been 2nd or greater zap 14:52 and no, it shouldnt use the bypass system 14:52 the complaint is it's not symmetric 14:52 It was the same zap, though. 14:53 zap poly at monster -> their possessions are bypassed and are fine. zap at player -> their possessions are not bypassed because the devteam didn't implement monsters zapping poly at the player, and the possessions are polyed 14:53 stuff in your inventory is safe from the initial zap. its when things are dropped on the floor for whatever reason, they then become fiar game for any subsequent zaps 14:54 *fair 14:54 but there was only one zap 14:54 the items fell on the floor and then got polymorphed from the same beam 14:54 Yes, exactly. 14:54 never seen that happen 14:54 this does not happen if you zap polymorph at a monster 14:54 got the ttyrec? lets have a look 14:55 It's my current game. I saved right after the zap as I'm mildly frustrated right now. 14:56 K2 the ttyrec directory appears to be empty 14:56 actually all the userdata appears to be missing :S 14:56 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tomsod/ 14:56 I play on the europe sever. 14:56 eu server 14:56 ah 14:57 lol 14:57 But yeah, I'd vouch for it regardless 14:57 But, see, you need to use bypass if you don't want the dropped items to be affected. It was implemented specifically for this. 15:00 Also, while I'm here: should the forge stop projectiles like a sink? It could be a bug as well. 15:00 it does stop projectiles 15:00 not a bug 15:00 Oh, okay then. 15:01 Ah 15:01 watched the ttyrec... ugh 15:01 Never knew 15:01 that's not supposed to happen 15:02 Can I get new speed boots as reimbursement? :-) 15:02 amateurhour, give Tomsod your boots 15:02 :P 15:04 ahh who did you give mobi's scammed Dragonbane to? 15:05 omghax 15:06 Tomsod you make me sad. only time we talk is when there's something wrong 15:07 :P 15:07 Oh, sorry. I'm just not a very sociable person. 15:08 i'm kidding 15:09 i'm fairly sarcastic 15:09 You still sort of have a point, though. 15:09 its ok :) 15:09 on a serious note, I appreciate the bug reports 15:10 this probably wasnt caught sooner because there's usually a 2nd zap where all of the players gear that was dropped/fell off was then turned into something else 15:10 you had the foresight to look at the objects on the ground right after the 1st zap 15:11 Well, it is a free action (unless you're blind). 15:11 yup 15:11 other than this setback, how are you enjoying the game? 15:14 It's good. I was lucky so far, mostly with that armor shop where I found most of the now-destroyed armor, so this is the first time in this run I really felt the variant's Evil. 15:14 I guess most of the real difficulties are in the middle game onwards? 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful warhorse, on T:34731 15:15 the difficulties start at the beginning and continue until you ascend or die 15:16 unless you're mobileuser. he makes the game look easy now 15:16 Well, I mean, vanilla NetHack is also hard at beginning, so the only real difference so far is zombies. 15:16 he's ascended quite a few infidels 15:16 And even those are fine after you kill an unicorn. 15:17 the ascension run can be very challenging 15:17 astral plane is no joke 15:18 turning into a demon when crowned is awesome btw 15:18 thank you for that 15:18 You're welcome! 15:19 weapon turning into a flame weapon was a nice touch too 15:19 shame you can't get multiple object properties :( 15:19 BTW, I've seen mobileuser's Infidel article draft on the wiki! Someday I'll update my own article with the EvilHack info and move it to the main page, and people will no longer be discouraged to add their own changes. 15:20 i saw it as well, good write-up 15:20 where did mobileuser go? 15:20 I definitely need to ask them in particular to write some strategy section, especially if they're that good. 15:20 did he have to wash dishes again? 15:20 extended dishes 15:20 hah 15:21 Tomsod: yeah mobileuser is a really good player 15:21 * will need, that is 15:21 elenmirie and VaderFLAG have ascended infidel as well yeah? 15:21 i need to look 15:21 I havent yet, need to remedy that 15:22 I have once yeah 15:22 it was hard 15:22 ooh its just you and mobileuser 15:22 Have you been appropriately frustrated by the mana drain? 15:24 i dont think there have been too many complaints about that 15:24 Oh. 15:25 I mean in practice it's survivable, you just can't cast spells all the time. 15:25 its a neat balance 15:25 when you're crowned, its easier to tank 15:26 Also high Wisdom gives a good mana pool. 15:26 i'll look into fixing that poly bug tonight for sure, hoping can fix that soon 15:28 But I still feel making the lack of Amulet block spellcasting was incredibly ham-fisted. 15:28 Eh, what's done is done. 15:28 YANI? Without carrying the Amulet you can still cast spells but you cast them from hit points 15:28 Infidels seem like the sort to use blood magic 15:29 that's interesting 15:29 (and the HP cost is not necessarily equal to what the Pw cost would be, there can be a scaling factor) 15:29 Or spellcasting just damages you. 15:30 aosdict: And if the cost is too great, do you get a "You can't cast that spell because your HP is too low message", or do you cast the spell successfully and die? 15:30 the latter obviously 15:30 if in xnh it would be the former, but this is evilhack 15:30 that change may have been ham-fisted, but it works. i'm all for a better way of giving incentive to *not* drop the amulet 15:31 YASI: When an infidel enters the sanctum, the high priest intones "Infidel, you have entered Moloch's Sanctum! Welcome!" 15:31 heh 15:31 You could even add some lore to it: the blood magic is Inf's *natural* state (chanelling Moloch isn't healthy for anyone), and the Amulet is actually helpful. 15:32 Because it's a relic of the gods or whatever. 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Fem Neu), 1112 points, T:1150, killed by a narrow pointy spike 15:34 copied this convo to the etherpad 15:35 Also, while we're discussing design decisions: why elven Infidels? It's a good combo stats-wise, but elves are the last race to worship demons IMO. 15:36 In my patch, all elven monsters were hostile to Inf, despite being chaotic. 15:37 (It doesn't currently work for elven Inf, which is possibly an oversight.) 15:44 Tomsod: I mean I could move the Infidel page now if you like. 15:45 Was thinking of asking you if I could at some point. 15:45 It's also good you're here because people have taken a lot of interest in the role to point of wishing it were a game mode 15:48 Can't I move it myself? I was waiting on that until I update it for EvilHack, as it's not terribly helpful right now. 15:49 What do you mean, game mode? Like, reverse ascension for any role? 15:50 Yeah! 15:50 Tomsod: No, you can, it's your page 15:50 That's why I wanted to ask permission! 15:51 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Kni Elf Mal Cha) had a steel scimitar entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:27774 15:51 i like it better as a role vs game mode 15:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:52 I feel that, more novelty that way 15:52 But on the other hand, just think about it K 15:52 Evilhack... 15:52 I mean, like half of the patch is the special alignment stuff. Infidels are already mostly a game mode. 15:52 2!!!!!!! 15:53 Combo breaker :-P 15:53 Tomsod, I felt the role could use a bit more racial diversity, and elves are already chaotic-minded 15:53 monster elves should still be hostile to elven infidels, oversight on my part if thats the case 15:53 But, see, chaotic != evil. Not for elves. 15:54 i know 15:54 in a general sense, chaotic != evil at all in nethack, although there are some edge cases where it could be seen as such 15:55 If only your variant had drow, then they would be the perfect fit! 15:55 its on the to-do :) 15:55 Hi Tomsod! Thank you very much for Infidel, I love the role! 15:55 there he is 15:55 dishes complete? 15:56 heh 15:56 \o/ 15:56 wife has new laptop 15:56 ah 15:56 lots to install 15:56 Thank you! I'm happy people enjoy my stuff! 15:57 Tomsod I have a few ideas for next version, couple new races, one new role 15:57 maybe one more optional side branch 15:57 figured i should spend more time right now squashing bugs before working on the next save break 15:58 @mobileuser We were just discussing your Infidel experience. You should definitely write some strategy on the wiki once the Infidel page is EvilHack-compatible (I'm working on it). 16:00 Already did! 16:00 I requested it since I had an Infidel going at the time 16:01 Nice! I just threw together some notes, but a real strategy section would be great. 16:01 http://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?oldid=142018&rcid=92498 16:01 ^initial creation 16:01 Yes, that's the one K2 already mentioned ;-) 16:01 ah me nit-picking - 'I assume you wil have read' 16:02 is that scottish for 'will' ? 16:02 @K2 Well my point is, if you do add drow, you should probably remove regular elves from the available Inf races. "Elves that are actually evil" is their entire thing. 16:02 is the second l a soft l? 16:02 :P 16:02 lol K2 16:02 you daftie! 16:02 Tomsod agreed 16:02 adding drow race will be a challenge to do it right 16:03 dnethack has drow race but i never hear anything good/fun about it 16:03 which is a shame because dnethack overall is fun 16:04 yeah they suck 16:04 I think everything about dNetHack is great and unique, and so are its drow. Although I haven't played them yet. 16:04