00:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 00:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7722 00:58 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 00:58 -!- jonadab has quit [*.net *.split] 00:59 -!- jonadab has joined #evilhack 01:03 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:04 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [*.net *.split] 01:32 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 01:39 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:22618 02:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:68930 02:21 ooh nice 02:39 Baller 02:40 Means less chance of it spawning in some rando's hands and having them own your shit with it 02:41 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:24941 02:41 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24944 02:47 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:55 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una) had a pair of snow boots entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:10135 04:00 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #evilhack 04:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:53979 04:21 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una) had a heavy war hammer entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:10933 04:30 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una) destroyed tinklebear's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:11831 05:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "cursed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:70262 05:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "magic marker", on T:70263 05:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:49 "What do you want to enchant?" \o/ 05:49 thx amateurhour! 05:51 \o/ 05:51 it took me a while to figure out how to prevent enchanting unworn stuff 05:52 like I successfully cut down the list of options, but you could still press * and select something that wasn't worn 05:52 and at first I was like 'ok maybe this is fine' but then I realised all the edge cases with DSM etc would be bad 05:53 in my vanilla PR you don't need to formally id the scroll before it prompts 05:56 Good shit 05:59 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 06:15 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:54850 06:30 How many times have you gotten to Kathryn, elenmirie 06:30 ? 06:31 You mean ever? 06:31 or with chaotic elf monk 06:31 ever, quite a few times 06:31 with this character type, I don't think I have 06:32 Ah, good! 06:32 What about with any monk o: 06:32 I think I've done a monk before... 06:32 but that was a while ago 06:32 she's probably been buffed 06:34 yeah, I did a dwarf monk in 2019 06:35 Ooh 06:37 I'm not sure Kathryn was even in the game yet at that time 07:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Inf Gia Fem Una), 408 points, T:1148, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 07:02 lol wererat cornered me in a shop and I couldn't splat the summoned rats in time 07:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "2 cursed potions of gain level", on T:70724 07:42 ^ a wish I've never done before, but I had already quaffed all my other gain level potions because Vecna wraith nerf 07:42 of course then I never found any more 07:44 sounds like you're ready to win \o/ 07:45 heh, my asc kit is nicely complete now 07:45 no acid res because dragonbane scam, but hey 07:46 unfortunately I first need to top up my luck again 07:47 I think luck drains faster for infidels 07:48 I don't think it does 07:48 or if it does it's not done in the obvious place 07:49 yeah, I looked it up, faulty memory 07:59 oh wait, the Amulet 08:00 "Your luck (bad or good) times out more rapidly, if not blocked by a luckstone." 08:00 I don't know how that works in evilhack 08:02 oh yeah nice catch 08:03 cuts the timeout by 2 08:03 regardless of luckstone 08:07 Cuts the timeout by 2? 08:18 halves it 08:19 oh 08:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:41 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:56 hai 08:58 'lo 09:00 piss off, can I not immediately get my brains eaten for 5 minutes 09:02 the answer is no 09:03 but it's alright as K2 raised their difficulty by 1 so they won't appear on dlvl 1 when you're xlvl 1 :^) 09:03 I wouldn't even complain about it if the brain eating wasn't damn near instant this time around 09:06 besides that my STR roll for this priest was utter piss 09:06 more pressing than the zombie thing, which is still dum luck-wise as I'm experiencing it currently 09:09 dont tank zombies unless you have a helmet 09:10 and/or hit hard enough to destroy them quickly 09:10 priests != tanks 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3035 09:14 I'm not even attempting to tank is the thing 09:19 find a couple boulders and toss them 09:21 already do that 09:21 \o/ 09:21 my priest = tank btw 09:21 doesn't help when you whip around a corner and get bit 09:21 nerf corners 09:21 every level is bigroom hah 09:23 >+2 fumble gloves 09:23 * Umbire sighs and looks at the camera 09:24 wave at the ttyrec! 09:25 I JUST GOT BIT AROUND A CORNER AGAIN LMFAO 09:25 at least the helmet blocked that 09:28 spear traps are fucking everywhere too apparently 09:31 my kingdom for a light source 09:33 lol, why is there a lizard called Flegbibis 09:34 HOW MANY FUCKING ZOMBIES SPAWNED 09:34 it usually takes a bit longer for the game to get stupid about this 09:35 there is literally double-digit zombies on this floor alone 09:37 * K2 waits for a JarlEarl-esque melt down 09:37 OMG I STUBBED MY TOE!!!!11!!1!one 09:42 it revived offscreen without me seeing and double-tapped me the second I went back for it. 09:42 can a bitch catch a break 09:42 that bastard 09:45 Oh joy a magic trap gave me more fucking zombies 09:45 one of the zombie types was buffed into spawning in large groups wasn't it? 09:46 one issue with them is, you ought to be able to hit a shambling corpse pretty easy, but nethack's AC and to-hit math at low levels ensures you miss fairly often 09:46 also I'm a giant, which means I'm fucking slow 09:47 and I might as well not be wearing a helmet for all the fucking illnesses I'm taking 09:49 much lesser complaint, but quivering doesn't seem to graps "hey maybe he wants to keep throwing these boulders" 09:49 much lesser in part because I can probably tweak that in the rcfile if I can remember what the specific option is 09:49 probably look for it later 09:50 Oh good morning everybody -- I was just thinking that evilhack needs more zombies in it 09:52 lol. 09:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Law), 2657 points, T:5187, poisoned by a killer bee 09:52 lmao. 09:53 ^ zombie bee 09:53 fucking zombie bees... 09:53 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3556 09:54 cute, I got a starting room altar and create monster/cure sickness 09:54 the game knows what it did and thinks this won't make me want to smash it in the fucking face 09:55 hah 09:55 Umbire just in case you werent aware, cure sickness in evilhack is directional 09:55 you can cast it at your pets 09:56 I was, but thank you for reminding me 09:56 you can also use it as an offensive spell vs zombies 09:58 Hm 09:58 s/6 09:58 dfasdf 09:58 wewp 10:01 What is that that you keep doing 10:02 ? 10:03 The s/foo thing 10:03 that a client thing or 10:03 you're addressing amateurhour? 10:04 wanted to go to window 6 to catch up on backscroll 10:04 had accidentally started a message before then 10:04 so instead of typing /6 I typed s/6 10:05 Fair 10:06 Also tell this game to fuck off trying to pacify me 10:06 "You see here a club named Keolewa." 10:06 Umbire I threw together some Infidel notes 10:06 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Mobileuser/Infidel 10:06 Bet. 10:13 also since I'm a giant priest I probably won't be actually casting cure sickness like that any time soon 10:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (krakens), on T:2902 10:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1515 points, T:1343, killed by a stone orcish arrow 10:20 what is the Inf Ith attraction 10:20 I hate the low Str and Con 10:20 Iunnolo 10:20 lol* 10:21 Well, found my bones already 10:21 closure! 10:21 and lots of zombies? 10:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2794 points, T:3189, killed by a giant bat 10:22 No, I took care of that 10:22 and then died to bees instead 10:22 ah 10:24 Have the chest I stashed them in, need a key though 10:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:72563 10:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:72569 10:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) performed the invocation, on T:72722 10:41 gogogo 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:27152 10:45 Thought that said Demogorgon for a moment 10:46 Epic Patch Idea 10:49 but when will we able to ride a wumpus upside-down on the ceiling of Vlad's cavern 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Umbire's ghost, the former Adept, on T:3177 10:55 I managed to die to the last remaining bee because of course 10:56 Ah well, time to flog my old stuff 10:59 mobileuser dunno 11:00 i had a bit of code that made it work but it caused a crash if you did other things 11:00 the last two commits arent live currently 11:10 that wumpus trick is great for flyingless and levitationless conduct 11:10 people do those? 11:10 literally the first I've heard of it 11:11 neat, death drop BoH 11:12 my old bag also had remove curse in it, trivial uncursing soon to follow 11:12 nah it was just a joke 11:12 ...unless? 11:16 qt when you get a free minute, can you take a look at the last two evilhack commits? those are fine as they are (as far as i can tell), but something that should be added is the ability to ride a wumpus across the open air space in vlad's cavern without falling off your steed 11:16 and I got turboblinded while the one book I needed turned to dust. 11:16 Fuck that. 11:17 *probably the one book 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Neu), 2202 points, T:4069, quit 11:17 i did a thing and it worked, but the thing caused a crash if you walked into open air in vlad's and would fall 11:20 didn't you find that it was a problem looking up mtmp where mtmp was null 11:24 yeah 11:24 but right now i'm not sure where else i need to make that work 11:25 k2 this seems to work for the wumpus thing https://termbin.com/15gw 11:25 as you may have guessed I'm in the process of implementing it in xnethack so you may just want to wait for that commit 11:25 after all, it's not like there are hordes of adventurers trying to cross it by riding a wumpus :) 11:25 build it, and they will come 11:25 doh qt 11:26 i tried it but a dragon plucked me off my wumpus and then i fell to my death 11:26 i was using (mtmp == u.usteed) && is_clinger(mtmp->data) 11:26 it's mostly a meme at this point 11:26 but it's good to cover edge cases on principle 11:27 <3 qt 11:27 this is me right now - https://c.tenor.com/LLoTb0MUuvoAAAAC/jim-carrey-stupid-stupid.gif 11:29 i thought the falling after being plucked off the steed thing was pretty cool 11:29 nice example of systems interacting in a way that's not explicitly anticipated 11:30 yeah that's how it should behave 11:45 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JRgzO 11:45 [EvilHack] k21971 89ed9d5 - Fix: player can ride a wumpus across open air in Vlad's cavern. 11:45 FINALLY the commits that matter 11:46 ikr? 11:46 unplayable before 11:46 bobble hats for wumpuses (wumpodes?) 11:46 wumpuses or wumpi? 11:46 i like wumpi 11:47 I feel like wumpuses is the correct one as I don't think it has any greek or latin roots 11:47 prob so 11:47 but it sounds greek so it'd maybe be wumpodes? idk 11:47 i taught my kid to refer to a herd of moose as 'meese' 11:48 what did your wife say to that? 11:48 it was short-lived 11:49 caboose, cabeese 11:49 Dylan O'Donnell always used to say it was "wumpora" 11:50 wumpi 11:50 (PS "sushi" is clearly the plural of "sushum") 11:51 Also, it's not a midnight snack, it's "dark lunch" 11:55 literally every time I move adjacent... 11:56 least there's a forge this time 12:41 [EvilHack] k21971 89ed9d5 - Fix: player can ride a wumpus across open air in Vlad's cavern. <- This is a trap if I have ever seen one! 12:43 hah 12:43 giddy up wumpus 13:01 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_the_Wumpus 13:01 ^ used to play that on a TI-99/4A 13:03 did you have the extended BASIC cartridge though 13:04 yup 13:04 and the voice synth 13:04 parsec was awesome with the voice synth 13:04 i also played a lot of this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnels_of_Doom 13:05 ^ it and dungeons of daggorath on the TRS-80 were my first computer dungeon crawls 13:05 freaking air elementals bah. almost just died 13:06 http://www.dreamcodex.com/todr.php 13:11 oh great another garbage artifact i can't use 13:12 junk artifacts found on the ground shouldn't count towards wishing count 13:12 sure they should 13:12 especilly if you're me 13:12 no they sholdn't 13:12 also, 'junk' artifacts can be used for melee vs black dragons 13:12 i'm playing weaponless 13:12 or disenchanters 13:13 give it to a pet 13:13 but i have cleaver and snickersee and now can' t get dragonbane 13:13 it's lame 13:13 you can, just the odds are less 13:14 i see what i've done. i've made an artifact so good and sought after, its like crack. if players cant get it, they go into withdrawl 13:15 * K2 renames Dragonbane to Meth 13:15 fr: add 6000 crappy artifacts and increase the drop frequency so players never see Dragonbane 13:15 hahah 13:15 Pinkbeast: doubling down on 'fuck you' since 1997 13:16 There must be any number of possibilities for bane 13:16 oh god. the guy who doesn't even play vanilla nethack is going to chime in 13:17 ... I'm not sure it would appreciably inform the viability of this proposal if I did 13:17 he used to 13:20 i would love it if pinkbeast would play evilhack 13:20 or maybe he always has and plays under a different name 13:20 incognito 13:20 Yeah, I'm actually Luxidream. Honest. :-) 13:20 * K2 suspects PatR does this to play online and to lurk on irc 13:21 ^ no proof 13:21 hehe 13:21 I fear the Spork Ranger Quest in Junethack a few years ago was probably the end of the road for me (modulo going to the Sanctum afterwards and getting pulverised) 13:22 titan medusa. i really don't want to kill it, but i have no way to tame 13:22 what's special about the spork ranger quest? is it especially hard? 13:23 No (indeed, I think it being in Spork is not directly pertinent, it just happened to be). It's just _really_ tedious. 13:23 i understand needing a break. but stopping altogether? 13:23 ah right, I thought maybe it was reworked to be even more annoying 13:23 Uncounted centaurs fire arrows at you, which is not even remotely a threat but produces messages messages messages messages messages 13:24 does your signiifcant other still play? 13:24 And you want some of these arrows but because you don't have autoexplore and stash tracking, finding the ones you want is agonising 13:24 K2: No, she's also come over to the Crawl side :-/ 13:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) imbued the Idol of Moloch, on T:72887 13:25 Pinkbeast: have you tried most of the variants then? 13:25 you two should give a go together 13:25 dnethack! 13:25 pfft 13:25 \o/ 13:26 crawl is for the people who quit nethack when the elbereth changed happened post 3.43 13:26 The thing is - back to "stopping altogether" - a variant would have to address those problems, and I think only small steps have been taken in that direction. 13:26 ... I've never used Elbereth 13:26 smart 13:27 just teasing pb 13:27 when the e word changes came about, I was like 'meh' 13:27 dont use it anyways so whatevs 13:27 didnt affect me 13:27 i didn't know what elebereth was until i had already ascended ,but i do kinda feel bad for people whose strategy revolved around it 13:28 I remember Jeff "POWDER" Lait saying an important thing for a roguelike is that a windshield kill should be _quick_, and schlepping 20 squares up to a trivial monster that's producing messages messages messages messages isn't that - kind of like the Final Fantasy problem where even swatting a fly needs 30 seconds of animation 13:30 (to be fair, I think curses mode has helped with the messages messages messages, but it was still pretty ropey that June) 13:30 there are variants with autoexplore and stash tracking. doesn't fiqhack have both? 13:32 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 13:33 Pinkbeast you could also suppress a lot of that spam using MSGTYPE 13:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:18598 13:34 nethack: the game where adjusting your config is half the fun 13:35 at least color is now on by default 13:35 Eh, I wouldn't say never, but IDK. And right now I've got our own roguelike variant and I can play that so I feel bad about not developing it. 13:36 ah. of course. but you know that you are doing it wrong? as a nethack dev, you don't play the game. 13:36 oh sweet I found an apron. WHO NEEDS DRAGONBANE 13:37 leather apron taboot 13:37 maybe i will wish for a dragonhide one 13:37 oh no i'm going to die to a queen ant again 13:37 One of the classic splats 13:37 they are seriously one of the deadliest monsters in this game 13:37 because they are FAST 13:39 elenmirie has been playing this damn chaotic elven monk as well. We've been trading splats for a solid month 13:39 lol yeah 13:39 i would be so happy if you ascend it :) 13:40 I'll do my best 13:58 I didn't get any of the epic bones in gehennom, still there for the taking :-) 14:10 whose bones? krm? 14:10 krm26 and tinklebear 14:10 oh that's right 14:10 no armor with tinklebears tho! lol 14:10 K2 something weird 14:11 it's almost guaranteed to leave bones when that deep right? 14:11 I just blasted the wizard with ice, he just disappeared 14:11 no death message 14:11 he is nowhere on the map 14:11 you have the amulet? 14:12 (food time) 14:12 dishes! 14:12 I have the imbued Idol 14:12 see ya later :-) 14:12 ah ok. i forgot 14:12 cya 14:12 good luck if i'm not arond 14:13 man, i need some hit points. I have more PW than max hp 14:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) murdered FUCK THIS GAME, his faithful dog, on T:19779 14:19 whoops 14:20 conflict accident 14:24 F 14:24 mobileuser i'm fairly certain the wizard can teleport away at will :) 14:24 not uncommon for rodney to 'disappear' 14:25 got to upstairs, decided to go for a lil hike 14:25 yeah rodney is no joke these days lol 14:25 honestly it makes the ascension run a lot more fun, k2 14:25 and sometimes he doesn't show up at all. It's all about rng. It can be really really bad or relatively easy 14:25 (which to me makes it fun ) 14:26 no patch - rodney spawns wearing dragonbane if it hasnt already spawned 14:26 *new 14:26 also you don't know if he's immune to death magic each time so again the randomness of it makes it fun 14:29 speaking of which, I don't have reflection and something is zapping death wand at me. MR will prevent me from instadeath though right? 14:29 i'll just get drained for maxhp? 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:13804 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una), 29224 points, T:14112, killed by a bone orcish arrow 14:38 yes 14:44 tx 14:47 K2 I have detect monsters 14:47 He is not on the stairs 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una) made his first wish - "cursed +2 fixed Frost Brand", on T:19 14:48 Hmm oops! 14:48 I needed to recast, sorry! 14:49 not on the stairs. he prob used them 14:49 oh you found him? 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6857 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:6862 14:56 this in the middle of dealing with a zombie horde 14:56 and I just prayed recently 14:56 ouch D: 14:57 have to wait it out with an increasingly high chance of one of them reviving 14:58 (another double digit swarm to boot because iunno, Fuck You) 15:00 Confusion loops and pony can't hit orc shaman. 15:01 This fucking sucks. 15:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 4664 points, T:7058, quit 15:05 evilhack approach to kobold zombies: 1) give them one of the more deadly attacks in the game 2) make them appear in huge swarms 3) ok FINE i will bump the difficulty up from 0 to 1 so they don't spawn on DL1 at XL1 and are otherwise eligible, are you HAPPY now? 15:05 the zombies really suck pre-finding a unihorn. I mean, if you've prayed recently and don't have extra healings or whatever it's pretty much game over 15:06 you learn to avoid them for the most part though. It was WAY worse when the game first came out lol. They were faster 15:08 20k turns and i haven't seen a teleport scroll... 15:08 now that's weird. haven't even seen a monster read one 15:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:19993 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Inf Gia Mal Una), 4771 points, T:3891, killed by an orcish priestess of Offler 15:25 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Rog Hob Mal Neu), 297 points, T:587, killed by a piranha, while unconscious from rotten food 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 240 points, T:940, killed by a small mimic 15:28 Just can't get shit going. 15:53 finally, fucking results 15:53 Water demon wish, what to do for an early giant priest... 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 791 points, T:1212, killed by a kobold lady 15:58 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:58 rebatela, aosdict, amateurhour: ^ 15:59 dragonhide speed boots? 16:00 I was hoping for MR/reflection in some manner, but not a lot of options that aren't amulets 16:00 yeah.. it's risky going for an artifact 16:00 and I don't feel like doing a dbane coinflip 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:1581 16:01 Got the _3 16:02 +3* 16:02 nice :) 16:02 hope you ascend with them ! 16:03 that's usually my first wish because i know they are going to be part of my kit 16:04 but yeah eventually with chaotic you can wish for that ring of p'hul but you would be dead in one turn if the coin flip didn't go your way (not to mention there's probably a blast that would kill you ). It's hard to get MR as a giant. You'll either need that ring or the amulet 16:07 lawful giant the amulet is literally the only choice for mr. makes it tough because then you can't fly or use that slot for reflection or lifesaving. with chaotic, you can wish for the artifact ring 16:07 but pelias is tough 16:08 false 16:08 there are other options a giant can use for MR 16:08 pelias is not tough? 16:08 lawful? 16:08 sure 16:09 'arent any' and 'donmt want to use' are two completely different things 16:09 for a priest? 16:09 *dont 16:09 yeah 16:09 magicbane? 16:09 sceptre of might, magicbane 16:09 yeah 16:09 i didn't realize sceptre gave it. that's pretty cool 16:10 magicbane is neutral isn't it? 16:10 the mirror does in vanilla but you changed it 16:10 A giant in general, not just a lawful one 16:10 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 16:10 the mirror has to be wielded for reflection unless you're a knight iirc 16:10 so it's turbonerfed 16:10