00:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 00:14 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:52 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:24 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 3874 points, T:4033, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnomish watchman 04:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:804 04:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +3 Dragonbane", on T:3063 05:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a concave amulet on an altar, on T:3675 05:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3844 05:56 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:23189 07:02 24.5k turns and no blindfold/towel 07:04 luckily i just learned detect monster spell, but i'm going to be screwed if a beholder or something shows up. going to need to poly tools if i find poly 07:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 83719 points, T:25622, killed by a queen ant 07:13 urgh :-( 07:14 !lastgame rebatela 07:14 mobileuser: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1627663761.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1628163877.evil.html 07:15 queen ants bite so hard 07:16 @e?queen ant 07:16 queen ant (a) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: -8 | Attacks: 3d8 bite physical, 3d4 sting drain str | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, thick hide, oviparous, poisonous 07:17 do they spawn 'out of depth' or are anthills generated quite late? 07:18 they spawn in ant rooms 07:18 oh sorry 07:18 I don't know 07:21 looks like u_depth has to be greater than 12 07:21 so not so bad 07:22 little bit out of depth maybe 07:23 they hit really hard 07:23 i knew that. just dumb mistake 07:24 at least i have a towel now ! 07:27 cons: dead. pros: towel 07:35 queen ants being the egg layers ought to be more vulnerable than other ants 07:35 Tell that to Ellen Ripley :-) 07:38 "Status of the water nymph (female, neutral): Level 4 HP 14(14) AC 9, asleep" 07:38 "Nymphs, named demons, wumpuses, long worms, and eels are always generated awake" 07:38 hmmm 07:38 lies! 07:38 Hit hard and at double speed 07:39 yeah that's the other thing 07:39 K2 as infidel wearing the Amulet, why are nymphs still generated asleep? 07:39 they're way tf OP imo, but like i said i KNEW that. I've died to them a bunch of times 07:41 oh i see what happened as well. I teleported it and it teleported right behind me! bad luck 07:43 omae wa mou shindeiru 07:50 eating gray fungus corpse does not give you deathly illness 07:50 0/10 literally unplayable 07:52 @e?gray fungus 07:52 gray fungus (F) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 0 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 7 | Attacks: 0d2 passive disease | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, vegan 07:52 nice tip aosdict! 07:53 in fact it gave me a smidge of poison resistance 07:54 but poisonous to eat 07:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 5315 points, T:4406, killed by a gnoll 08:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:870 09:06 mobileuser thanks 09:07 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:12 I'm not sure if the wiki article is correct on this, the references are to 3.4.3 code 09:13 will check it out 09:18 looking at the code it seems like nymphs are not *randomly* generated asleep, but if makemon is called with the MM_ASLEEP flag it will override that 09:18 idk where it is used except treasure zoo, but a nymph in a zoo would still be generated asleep 09:19 where did you see this sleepy nymph 09:20 randomly generated in minetown 09:20 was it monkeytown? that's not randomly generated 09:21 no the large one 09:21 grotto town 09:21 that one 09:21 idk how you remember those names lol 09:21 im with mobileuser, i say "the large one" or "the one with the guaranteed tool" or whatever 09:22 "the one with orcs sacking the town" 09:22 monkeytown isn't the real name, but that's what it should be renamed to imo 09:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 3283 points, T:4310, killed by a bolt of fire 09:25 hmm i really don't see why the nymph would be sleeping 09:26 ok, so maybe there was some weird set of circumstances... 09:27 wdym qt 09:27 nymphs have a 4/5 chance of being asleep 09:27 yeah but having the amulet is supposed to stop it 09:27 is mobi an infidel? 09:27 yeah 09:28 oh isn't that flag actually set for infidels when they do the thing at the sanctum? 09:28 maybe not 09:28 there are 2 flags, u.uhave.amulet and u.uachieve.amulet 09:28 uhave.amulet gets set as soon as the amulet enters your inventory 09:29 the other one does normally to but not for infidels, so maybe that's the one that gets set at the sanctum 09:29 the nymph thing uses u.uhave.amulet 09:29 ah right 09:29 could the initial inventory at game start not be setting the flag? 09:30 idk I checked (once) and it seemed to be set immediately, that's what's used for all the funky amulet effects too 09:30 so if those are happening it must be set 09:31 I'll see if it it happens more often 09:32 zzzz nymph 09:32 wow i wrote to instead of too again 09:32 that's too days in a row 09:52 who are you talking two? 10:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a stone heavy mace entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:6406 10:52 qt you see these? https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/dec70851b615...7cc759670988 10:53 cool, so the 'killed by' thing worked? 11:01 si 11:17 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 11:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a pair of buckled boots entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:11771 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1347 points, T:1082, killed by a giant beetle 12:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:9980 12:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 21622 points, T:15432, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while paralyzed by a monster 12:16 Is it normal to continue moving in fast travel when someone engulfs you? 12:16 Stupid death 12:19 !lastgame lacca 12:19 mobileuser: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1628257424.evil.html 12:21 you were fast travelling while inside the gelatinous cube? 12:23 Ok, I don’t want to claim anything, let me rewatch ttyrec. Maybe the cube just jumped on me from behind the corner… 12:33 lacca[m]: why do you say you were still traveling while being engulfed? 12:34 I just looked at the ttyrec and it looked normal, you got frozen by the gelcube and then engulfed, so there was no way to react... really frustrating 12:36 but i didn't notice anything obviously buggy 12:37 floating eyes should engulf and para too 12:37 you just go through the pupil when engulfed 12:40 I said that cause I saw the character moving after being engulfed, possibly because I was spat out and engulfed again 12:40 Sorry, rage blaming 12:42 that did happen, you got engulfed twice in a row 12:43 it is a little weird that seeing the gelcube didn't seem to stop travel, it turned a corner like this: b.@ and your character seemed to still move another square b@. into touching distance 12:43 but I was viewing it in super slow motion so idk if that's just because of the order in which different positions are updated on the map or something, maybe it all happened within a single turn 12:44 Never thought fast travel would get me killed anyway) 12:45 However how do you all play infidel considering zombies and lack of the ability to pray? 12:52 it seems like the gelcube just popped out from behind a blind corner on exactly the wrong turn 12:52 that really really sucks 12:53 idk lacca[m] I can't even successfully play normal characters lol 12:55 qt, try healers - they have the potions of extra healing and tinning kits. Tinning zombies is my favorite strategy, lol 12:57 oh i didn't know healers had tinning kits 12:58 do they have them in vanilla? i thought only archaeologist started with one 12:58 the tinning kit is from being a hobbit 12:59 oh, nice 13:05 I forget if cancellation works on zombies in evil 13:05 Umbire: Message from aosdict at 2021-08-05 07:19 EDT: before deciding to launch yet another variant off the bat, why not see if an existing variant is open to the sort of thing you want to do? imo this is the #1 question all aspiring variants should ask themselves because there's a weird tendency to default to "only I can make it" 13:05 Umbire: Message from aosdict at 2021-08-05 07:26 EDT: if only because that makes you take it from a half-formed collection of ideas to a list of specific things you want to do 13:05 aosdict: Already done, as I stated on the etherpad current Splice is probably closest to what I'm aiming for 13:06 (I say "current" since Splice is in the midst of a ground-up overhaul) 13:06 I'm mostly just bad at describing things 13:09 amateurhour: What if floating eyes paralyzed you and then summoned gelcubes? 13:11 Epic Patch Idea 13:13 EPI: if a nymph steals your artifact weapon, the power of the artifact gives it the ability to levelport away. 13:15 EPI: ants spawn in more realistic-sized groups. A few hundred ants at a time, say. 13:16 So like the Sanctum, except on DL4. 13:20 lacca, use your fire horn if needed, find and throw daggers, find an aklys 13:20 lacca[m] 13:21 Ok, thanks 13:21 and don't fast travel ;-) 13:21 Yeah, aklys is p. damn solid in general, but for healers especially 13:21 Who kinda struggle for offense as is 13:22 this was about infidel, but aklys is great for most roles 13:22 even without club skill 13:22 (aklys fan) 13:22 Fast travel the only option for me not to get too bored, thanks 13:22 Let’s consider today case a misadventure 13:23 >bored 13:23 >in evilhack 13:23 ...I think you might be playing the game wrong. 13:24 well, I can imagine just walking known maps is boring 13:25 Exactly that 13:25 good reason to add back mindflayer amnesia 13:25 heh 13:26 I'd think knowing you could get cubed is enough to keep one alert 13:26 yeah exponents frighten me too 13:27 or should I say they square me 13:27 :D 13:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeXziQZ5duw 13:28 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:29 Tomsod is playing! 13:34 Another topic: does anyone in europe/USA organise nethack tournaments at technical conferences or independently irl? I think I saw the video of luxidream speedrunning at some event 13:36 to my knowledge nethack has been speedran only twice ever, I don't know of any other time it's been featured like that at an event 13:36 there's been talks by the developers I guess at some other events 13:37 but in terms of it being played at events I only know of Adeon's run at Roguelike Celebration and Luxidream's run at ESA the other week 13:37 Nwm speedrunning, I mean general meetings where you can play and chat with people 13:37 Ok, thanks 13:38 if you find out about anything else I'd love to hear about it too haha 14:00 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest809 14:00 -!- Guest809 has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 14:00 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "fixed +2 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:55814 14:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed Cerberus, on T:55892 14:24 ^ sacced at Moloch altar. bastard. 14:25 heh 14:25 !who 14:25 K2: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-eu] Tomsod [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 14:25 did you save to do dishes? 14:25 * K2 did dishes earlier 14:30 lol 14:31 ok, onwards to gehennom :-) 14:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) entered Gehennom, on T:55921 14:54 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:36 when I hear "urban fantasy", I'm thinking of 15:37 a "sexy vampires for young adults" setting 15:39 and that is but the foremost of the crimes Rice and Meyer should stand trial for 15:39 but that is besides the point 15:44 mainly because I don't associate Buffy with "urban fantasy" :-) 15:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Pri Cen Mal Neu), 578 points, T:493, killed by an owlbear 15:45 you want me to stand trial Umbire? 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 63 points, T:326, killed by a fox 15:45 Stephanie Meyer :B 15:46 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 15:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1212 points, T:1753, zapped herself with a wand 15:52 having recently been to the town twilight is based in, I didn't think much of it 15:53 were you disappointed at the lack of vampires and werewolves attempting to woo you? 15:53 they actually had a "treaty line" at town limits 15:53 no vampires beyond this point 15:53 and a twilight store 15:53 but that seemed like it 15:54 no wonder you didn't enjoy yourself, barely anything related to your passion was there 15:55 several different people told me "ooh expect a weird vibe from that place" but it seemed like a normal small town 16:00 if you never been to a small town before you might get the weird vibe in any small town 16:00 I've been to places in CH where I expected gnarly dwarves to come out of the ground any minute 16:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 1357 points, T:1522, zombified by a dwarf zombie 16:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 863 points, T:1416, killed by a rodent of unusual size 16:04 bhaak: you should come to our village 16:05 bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha 16:05 we have a fairy path 16:07 sometimes people that set foot upon it come out the other side. 16:07 sometimes, they do not! 16:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:09 because there are so many murderers? 16:09 you know what fairies are like 16:10 twlight vampires are so meh 16:10 anne rice vampires are more exciting 16:10 twilight humans are meher 16:11 anne rice vampires are really good 16:11 I don't get what they find about moody teenagers 16:11 Interview wtih the Vampire was a formative experience for me :D 16:11 the vampires at least live in a kind of predator pack family 16:11 that was one of very few movies that stay true to the book 16:12 (interview with a vampire) 16:12 I never saw the movie, just book 16:12 the next movie, queen of the damned? total and utter shit show 16:12 the book was less good than Interview 16:12 Louis is sad. Lestat: "hey, want to be a vampire?" Louis accepts. Shortly afterwards, "ew, you mean I have to, like, _drink blood_?" 16:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 676 points, T:1161, killed by a rock piercer 16:12 hah 16:13 the first 5 books are the best 16:13 but I can only imagine what the movies would make of it, it was not easily translatable to movie form 16:13 memnoch the devil was awesome 16:13 in the movie 'queen of the damned' they tried to fit books 2-4 into 1.5 hrs 16:13 My vampire film is The Lost Boys, of course. :-) 16:13 and then fucked it all up 16:13 the Vampire Lestat, was the second book I think 16:13 yup 16:13 which was also pretty good 16:13 lost boys YEAH 16:14 then Queen of the Damned, not so good but still pretty intriguing 16:14 book, not movie 16:14 most recent vampire fiction I consumed was Salem's Lot but it was the book not the movie 16:14 book i am reading right now is 'Ready Player One' 16:15 I waited that whole book for a nethack or even roguelike reference but alas it was too obscure 16:15 dammit 16:15 i'm only 35% through it 16:15 I'm reading Anna Akhmatova's Poem without a Hero, again 16:15 was hoping to see a nethack ref 16:15 hell, they referrenced 'dungeons of daggorath' 16:16 damn them if they can't get in a nethack ref 16:16 that was my first ever dungeon crawl growing up. i still have a working trs-80 16:16 One of the many failings of the Matrix films was when he taps into the internals of the Matrix he's not just an @ walking down a line of #s to fight two &s 16:16 lol trash-80! 16:16 \o/ 16:16 when I first got to uni, first year, computer maths, that was what we got to work on 16:17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_of_Daggorath 16:17 ^ pure awesome\ 16:17 second year, the ORIGINAL PC 16:17 four colour display fooking awesome 16:17 hah 16:17 i miss the days when computers and then the internet was new 16:18 me too, actually 16:18 is that game is the one where your heart beats faster and faster as you lose health 16:18 before the evil started 16:18 qt yes and also if you exert yourself 16:18 before? 16:18 nice touch 16:18 Windows was released before most people where on the internet 16:18 that woudl actually get YOUR heart racing 16:19 bhaak yup i remember windows 1.0 16:19 i remember 'DOS' 16:19 not version whatever 16:19 just 'DOS' 16:19 bhaak: heh, I was referring to the halcyon days when only nerds were on the internet, and all you needed to survive was an asbestos suit 16:19 Daggorath evil branch when 16:20 i should at least introduce the wizard at the end 16:20 hah 16:20 you can play dungeons of daggorath for free via windows store 16:20 My name, is the Wizard of Yendor. My friends call me Rodney. My enemies... don't live long enough to call me anything. 16:20 there's a linux port too 16:21 http://demandred.dyndns.org/dod/ 16:24 https://github.com/gondur/dungeons-of-daggorath 16:25 demandred? what's he doing here?! 16:27 ? 16:31 K2 there are hardly *any* wraith anymore on the 1st Vecna level 16:31 Big large sad 16:32 sure there are 16:33 I spot 3 of them after casting detect monster 16:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Mon Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3222 16:33 hardly any 16:37 now I wonder about foocubus generation chances after same race sac 16:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2123 points, T:2479, killed by a gnome lady 16:40 that's plenty 16:41 time to mow the field. yay. 16:41 3 is plenty? 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a mind flayer larva, on T:6733 16:41 * K2 doesnt want to mow the field 16:41 oops Tomsod 16:43 Just eat your way into someone else, use them as a polyform 5Head 16:45 these would be pretty dope as an enemy: https://media.wizards.com/2014/downloads/dnd/MM_IntellectDevourer.pdf 16:47 screw it i'm not mowing the field, i did it last time 16:47 someone else can do it 16:47 I swear you're cutting grass every day 16:48 today was first day i've mowed in about 10 days 16:48 just astroturf it all and call it a day 16:48 blaspheme! 16:49 i mowed the yard, good enough for today 16:49 this weekend calls for rain, had to be done today 16:52 amateurhour: either that or dishes 16:53 recently I played in a astroturf field where the pellets were over the tops of the "grass" pretty much 17:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una), 9546 points, T:7564, killed by a bolt of lightning 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 1836239 points, T:73807, killed while stuck in creature form, while fainted from lack of food 17:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3200 points, T:4231, killed by a centaurian watchman 17:12 Aw tinks 17:15 !lastgame tinklebear 17:15 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1627361983.evil.html 17:17 :/ 17:17 risky 17:20 Now how did this come about 17:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 17:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQwVBebHyXE 17:35 ... why 17:36 because lawn 17:42 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 17:42 Can you be seduced by Graz'zt if you're deaf? 17:46 his seduce powers arent any different from other monsters 17:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2042 points, T:3109, killed by a crossbow bolt 17:53 I was wondering about the "Graz'zt says something but you can't hear it" message 17:56 "You could survive without having to eat" clearly doesn't protect you from fainting 18:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 132 points, T:665, killed by Mr. Ballingeary; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 18:19 huh i wonder if being deaf protects you from seduction 18:19 can't find anything about that on the wiki 18:24 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:27 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:26 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3957 19:31 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:46 EPI: Consider using Unicode combining characters to 'augument' the appearance of the various monster glyphs? 21:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Elf Mal Una) became literate by engraving "test", on T:4880 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 467 points, T:1091, killed by a water demon 23:42 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 177 points, T:982, killed by a mountain dwarf 23:52 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 458 points, T:1307, killed by a gnome lord