01:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5969
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04:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 14152 points, T:10962, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper
04:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 1570 points, T:2184, killed by a piranha
05:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) had a staff entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:5257
05:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of brown pudding, on T:7054
06:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 9848 points, T:8098, killed by a chameleon imitating a giant centipede
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07:19 <aosdict> !tell Umbire before deciding to launch yet another variant off the bat, why not see if an existing variant is open to the sort of thing you want to do? imo this is the #1 question all aspiring variants should ask themselves because there's a weird tendency to default to "only I can make it"
07:19 <Hecubus> Umbire shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, aosdict.
07:22 <Arahael> Duly.
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07:26 <aosdict> !tell Umbire if only because that makes you take it from a half-formed collection of ideas to a list of specific things you want to do
07:26 <Hecubus> I'm on it, aosdict.
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08:02 <K2> suppress the opposition... nice
08:02 <K2> you dont want to make a new variant <jedi hand wave>
08:04 <aosdict> I do think we have far too many variants already
08:04 <aosdict> now umbire and statuesurfer are each working on a new one
08:06 <aosdict> and the main problem is "I have ideas, better launch a new variant" rather than "I have ideas, I wonder if a variant would like them"
08:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2130 points, T:2137, killed by a fall onto poison spikes
08:09 <mobileuser> these aren't the variants you're looking for
08:10 <mobileuser> K2 quick infidel question (not urgent). Tomsod page says: "Since Infidels are expected to carry the Amulet with them for most of the game, the energy drain is much more merciful on them, increasing cast spells' cost by at most 50%."
08:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed sluggoman's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8785
08:10 <mobileuser> Does that apply to evilhack?
08:11 <Arahael> *sigh*. Poison instadeath.
08:12 <K2> yes
08:12 <mobileuser> nice, thx!
08:12 <K2> \o/
08:12 <K2> Arahael :/
08:24 <rebatela> one thing i've noticed recently about carrying the amulet is that you don't seem to regain PW hardly at all. That's a vanilla thing tho i guess? 
08:29 <mobileuser> regaining should not be effected. it just costs more spell power to cast.
08:30 <rebatela> must be my imagination then (or i'm just used to having the eye) 
08:31 <mobileuser> normally it depends on your XL, wis and int
08:33 <mobileuser> @e?electric eel
08:33 <Hecubus> electric eel (;) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 10 | Res: shock | Confers: shock | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 4d6 bite shock, 0d0 touch wrap | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, oviparous, infravisible
08:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5506
08:49 <mobileuser> K2 no wand under the boulder in the Medusa level titan version???
08:49 <mobileuser> scamazed!
08:50 <mobileuser> after no Dragonbane, no Medusa wand :b 
08:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed Medusa, on T:49279
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09:00 <K2> wand?
09:01 <aosdict> wand of create snakes
09:01 <K2> rebatela - yes its your imagination. carrying the AoY does not affect power regen
09:03 <mobileuser> K2 from the wiki: "There are marked boulders in the entrance hall and on the right-hand island; the latter has a random wand beneath it. "
09:03 <mobileuser> I once found a WoW there
09:04 <K2> neat
09:05 <mobileuser> bit weird to not find a wand there?
09:06 <K2> well its random right?
09:06 <K2> maybe there's a chance one doesnt spawn at all
09:06 <mobileuser> the type is random
09:06 <K2> i didnt even know that was a thing on that level
09:06 <mobileuser> it's a vanilla thing
09:07 <mobileuser> you never ever broke that boulder?
09:07 <K2> usually no
09:08 <K2> looking at the des file, its 100% that a wand would form there
09:08 <K2> type is random
09:08 <K2> something may have grabbed it
09:08 <mobileuser> so, weirdness
09:09 <mobileuser> I destroyed the boulder myself
09:09 <K2> how?
09:09 <mobileuser> pickaxe
09:09 <K2> huh
09:10 <aosdict> is the position off by one and the wand winds up in a wall or the water or something
09:13 <K2> its not
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09:58 <amateurhour> scamazed!!
09:59 <mobileuser> at least there should be a WoW at the castle, reading magic detection added it to the list of discoveries
10:01 <mobileuser> the dragons will be a bit of a pain, slow digestion is silver in my game
10:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:8959
10:06 <qt> wait is the wow at the castle not guaranteed any more?
10:09 <K2> no
10:09 <K2> it is guaranteed
10:10 <mobileuser> I think rebatela didn't find one the other day
10:11 <K2> its not because it didnt spawn
10:11 <mobileuser> yeah, must have been some weird misfortune
10:12 <mobileuser> I was just continuing the "scamazed" theme ;-)
10:12 <K2> variant paranoia
10:13 <mobileuser> worryhack
10:13 <mobileuser> human soldier, riding a centaurian soldier \o/
10:13 <K2> hah
10:14 <amateurhour> can we ride centaurs?
10:14 <K2> 'c'mon Bill... lemme ride you. for science'
10:14 <K2> '... ok'
10:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:9889
10:25 <mobileuser> wielding a s
10:25 <mobileuser> pear
10:25 <mobileuser> for a moment I thought a soldier was wielding a pear
10:33 <aosdict> a pear grown from a tree under which a cockatrice was buried. look out
10:42 <mobileuser> lol, more anxiety :b 
10:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:13650
10:57 <K2> summon your army qt
10:58 <qt> this sucks, my god is angry at me so I can't get rid of it
10:58 <K2> why are they hangry
11:00 <mobileuser> yay, WoW 0:2 !
11:00 <K2> wewt
11:01 <qt> i prayed when i was at 2 health but it was too early
11:01 <qt> and then i made it out myself anyway
11:01 <K2> hangry gods... just give them a snickers bar
11:01 <K2> YANI: sacrifice candy bars on altars for more big good god love
11:02 <mobileuser> Crom, you're not you when you're hangry!
11:02 <K2> lol
11:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 15578 points, T:15066, killed by a dingo
11:04 <qt> sweet release
11:04 <K2> hah
11:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11646
11:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1183 points, T:2553, killed by a magic missile
11:52 <qt> wow a jackal on dlvl1 had a bag of holding in his pocket
11:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 796 points, T:1364, killed by a rabid dog
12:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 8390 points, T:5752, quit
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12:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 512 points, T:1401, killed by a giant spider
12:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:2732
12:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3581
13:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 3400 points, T:5109, zombified by an elf zombie
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13:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "cursed +2 dragonhide Hawaiian shirt of telepathy", on T:49663
13:21 <mobileuser> The design features orchids on a geometric background
13:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "cursed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:49664
13:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 1361 points, T:2234, burned by a tower of flame
14:07 <qt> lol I figured a cool trick
14:07 <qt> if you write something that randomly degrades to Elbereth, you learn Elbereth
14:08 <qt> it did take several hundred turns of trying when I just tested it, so not exactly a genius tactic probably
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14:41 <K2> i thought we had guarded against that
14:42 <K2> or was it we decided the odds are so low its not worth it
14:42 <qt> the odds are definitely low
14:42 <qt> like I said, it took hundreds of tries
14:42 <K2> billions and billions
14:43 <amateurhour> it's not worth doing really I guess, you can learn it in soko right?
14:43 <K2> yup and some mines end
14:46 <qt> finally mollified my god
14:46 <qt> took some doing.. i tried a lot of corpses that didn't work
14:47 <amateurhour> were they angry that you cheated your way into knowing Elbereth?
14:47 <qt> perhaps so
14:48 <qt> but in a passive aggressive way where they can't confront me for that directly, so instead they say it was because I prayed to soon or some nonsense like that
14:48 <amateurhour> you prayed to Soon? wow you really are fickle, they're not even real!
14:48 <qt> lol
14:49 <qt> i meant to write tuscon
14:49 <qt> tucson*
14:49 <qt> much like gehennom, praying in tucson is a bad idea
14:50 <amateurhour> have you seen the tv show Dollhouse? 
14:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:9844
14:50 <qt> no I haven't
14:51 <amateurhour> ah, the only time I've ever even heard of Tucson was in that tv show
14:51 <amateurhour> so for all I know it's not even real
14:51 <amateurhour> much like Soon
14:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a scale mail entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:11694
14:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a bone long sword entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:11923
14:58 <qt> arggh im just trying to zero my prayer timeout
14:59 <qt> no more gifts PLEASE
15:00 <K2> <+Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a toaster oven entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:11957
15:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a Hawaiian shirt entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:13131
15:17 <qt> what a thoughtful gift
15:19 <K2> a toaster oven AND a hawaiian shirt
15:23 <mobileuser> Amaterasu Omikami clearly liked the candy bar
15:25 <K2> \o/
15:26 <K2> this conversation is full of win
15:27 <K2> bbl
15:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16195
16:00 <qt> what should i get from sokoban?
16:01 <amateurhour> do you have reflection/mr?
16:01 <qt> i have GoP, speed boots, a sack
16:01 <qt> no I don't have either
16:02 <amateurhour> I'm not probileuser im just a humble amateur, but the amulet seems like a good choice
16:03 <qt> yeah i guess you're right
16:03 <qt> ok... i'm gonna do it..!
16:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:21072
16:03 <amateurhour> \o/
16:04 <qt> now that I learned elbereth legitimately, I realize I didn't even use it in the time until now lol
16:04 <amateurhour> lol
16:05 <qt> i like how after you get the item you can see what the other things were
16:05 <qt> I don't think I noticed that before
16:08 <qt> cool, I found an oilskin cloak of warning
16:08 <mobileuser> hax!
16:21 <rebatela> that can be annoying though if you pick something you already have and then see you COULD have had a marker lol 
16:21 <rebatela> (i think that's the reason it shows you) 
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17:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 115528 points, T:29739, killed by a lieutenant, while sleeping
17:44 <qt> another wand of sleep does me in
17:44 <qt> !lastgame qt
17:44 <Hecubus> qt: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/evilhack/dumplog/1628186633.evil.html
17:44 <K2> hmm
17:45 <K2> livelog should state the race
17:45 <K2> and :(
17:46 <qt> i did notice that before K2, iirc it's because the death message doesn't actually use the mon_nam function, just mon->data->mname
17:46 <K2> hmm
17:50 <mobileuser> but was the lieutenant lightly wounded
17:52 <mobileuser> oh was that removed from 3.7 livelogging :-)
17:52 <qt> yeah it got completely removed from 3.7
17:52 <qt> they should have left it in for healers
17:52 <qt> imo
17:52 <mobileuser> ah that's a shame
18:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:52006
18:10 <qt> K2: I'm not 100% sure but this might get the race in there, probably needs additional testing https://termbin.com/krzp
18:11 <K2> oh thanks!
18:11 <K2> cool i will test it
18:12 <qt> i also got this after a soldier killed my convict as I was testing: impossible monster (soldier) taking or picking up attached ball (heavy iron ball)?
18:13 <qt> my guess is that this happens because of the "killer steals some of your stuff" routine when saving bones, and it's not skipping over the ball & chain
18:13 <K2> oooh
18:13 <K2> i have never seen that before
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18:13 <qt> yeah i was surprised bc it happened after I said 'y' to save bones
18:14 <K2> should be easy enough to exclude ball/chain
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18:19 <qt> yeah for sure
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18:19 <K2> good catch
18:19 <K2> brb need to adult for a min
18:31 <K2> ok back heh
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18:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:9698
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19:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 951 points, T:2939, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping
19:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1276
19:48 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/JRmL5
19:48 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 761e1a1 - Fix: impossible if punished (ball & chain) when hero dies and killer rummages through inventory.
19:48 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 7cc7596 - Fix: (racial monsters) xlogfile shows proper race of monster that killed the hero.
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20:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had a staff of healing entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:10446
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21:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible elenmirie's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:11884
21:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 13323 points, T:10978, killed by a winter wolf cub
23:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:16277