00:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4006
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04:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of steel combat boots entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:3510
04:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of gray ooze, on T:4802
04:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Hum Mal Una) became the Emissary of Moloch, on T:39881
04:59 <mobileuser> \o/
05:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:8733
05:17 <mobileuser> huh? what's the difference between consuming animal products and tasting meat?
05:23 <mobileuser> oh, gray ooze is suitable for vegetarians but not for vegans
05:24 <mobileuser> vegan conduct should include not killing any animals :b 
05:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:9673
05:37 <Arahael> So many spellbooks in the mines end temple!
05:43 <amateurhour> heh mobileuser we should make the devs add a flag for every monster whether it's considered an animal or not :P
05:44 <amateurhour> for the purposes of murder
05:44 <amateurhour> killing a gnome is fair game but killing a raven BAD
05:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a gnoll hunter), on T:5326
05:45 <Arahael> Thanks, random amulet!
05:46 <Arahael> Berserker rage was what killed me.
05:46 <amateurhour> wow that guy should have been hunting gnolls not ithillids
05:47 <Arahael> Hmm, if a pet picks up a "magical grey stone", is it possible for it to be a loadstone?
05:48 <Arahael> amateurhour: "That guy"?
05:48 <amateurhour> "(killed by a gnoll hunter)"
05:49 <Arahael> Ah, yeah.
05:49 <Arahael> Just missed the pun. :)
05:49 <mobileuser> pets don't pick up cursed stuff I think?
05:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5644
05:51 <mobileuser> amateurhour nice idea for animal flags ;-)
05:51 <Arahael> mobileuser: Yes, but they're not usually generated cursed.
05:51 <mobileuser> ah...
05:51 <Arahael> mobileuser: They're cursed when dropped, but I don't know if that includes your *pet* dropping them.
05:51 <mobileuser> "Loadstones on the dungeon's floor are always generated cursed" says wiki
05:51 <Arahael> I decided to chance it, after ensuring I have a potion of holy water.
05:52 <Arahael> mobileuser: It wasn't on the dungeon's floor, though - it was monster loot!
05:52 <mobileuser> hmm...
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06:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:64678
06:25 <mobileuser> I don't know how tinklebear does it, playing nudist with 65 HP
06:50 <Arahael> mobileuser: You're lying.  Nobody does nudist with 64 HP whilst killing Orcus, who is invisible.
06:50 <Arahael> *65.
06:50 <Arahael> (Seriously, though? That would be insane.)
06:52 <mobileuser> heh, could have been 72 or something, still insane
07:01 <Arahael> Yep, insane.
07:05 <Arahael> Heh, my pets have been attacking the minetown priest for a thousand turns.
07:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:9634
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08:37 <arahael1> Maaan, stalkers are dangerious for illithid wizards.
09:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 25171 points, T:15628, suffocated by an invisible gelatinous cube
09:10 <VaderFLAG> How does a gel cube get invisible? How terrifying
09:10 <VaderFLAG> Here's something that can instakill you also you can't see it with telepathy also you can't see it with your eyes
09:10 <arahael1> Oh! I _did_ zap it with an unidentified wand whilst engulfed.
09:10 <arahael1> I guess it might well have been invis.
09:10 <arahael1> !lastgame
09:10 <Hecubus> arahael1: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1628048604.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1627806051.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1628044724.evil.html
09:11 <arahael1> Yep!
09:11 <arahael1> It was invis.
09:13 <VaderFLAG> Ugh even with free action
09:13 <arahael1> Yeah, free action only protects you from paralysis.
09:13 <arahael1> I was standing on scare monster, too.
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09:24 <mobileuser> mindless creatures can't be scared
09:24 <qt> that's why im so brave
09:25 <mobileuser> heh
09:25 <mobileuser> once you have learned Elbereth, I suppose you can still use that with gelcubes?
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09:31 <qt> huh you can't bypass E-word restriction in wizmode
09:34 <qt> lol if you write in wizmode with venom it says "writing a poison pen letter???"
09:34 <qt> hey wtf it doesn't work
09:34 <qt> another of the many crimes of aosdict
09:34 <Umbire> Yeah, that's a vanilla-ism for the latter
09:34 <qt> not any more Umbire... not any more
09:35 <Umbire> ?
09:35 <qt> i mean, it's still there but it's unreachable because aosdict refactored getobj
09:35 <qt> it won't let you choose venom to write with any more
09:36 <qt> it would still work in evilhack, but not in 3.7
09:39 <mobileuser> K2 Moloch added a fire property to my weapon! Totally OP! :b 
09:39 <K2> OMFG
09:39 <K2> :P
09:39 <mobileuser> \o/
09:39 <mobileuser> CARL
09:39 <K2> yeah that was a Tomsod idea
09:39 <mobileuser> I saw, I was looking forward to that
09:41 <K2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6z-nxAYhGw
09:41 <mobileuser> totally!
09:43 <K2> lol
09:48 <aosdict> my many crimes for which I will for some day be no doubt punished
09:48 <aosdict> the heavy iron ball looms large in my future
09:50 <mobileuser> practice flail skill and you will be fine 
09:50 <Umbire> the xnh Convict update shall be the day of reckoning
09:55 <K2> aosdict is adding convict role to xnethack?
09:55 <K2> WAT
09:55 <Umbire> is joak
09:55 <qt> no, the 'convict update' is the update he is going to write while he's in prison
09:55 <qt> like the marquis de sade
09:55 <Umbire> lol
09:55 <K2> ah
10:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 7408 points, T:6406, killed by an electric chair
10:03 <Umbire> lol
10:03 <qt> actually stylus_ok should probably be changed, before the refactor it allowed you to write in the dust with pretty much anything
10:04 <qt> now even something like a pick-axe it will completely block you from using it
10:05 <qt> and most importantly i want that poison pen joke back
10:05 <K2> you're talking about 3.7? or evilhack
10:06 <qt> 3.7
10:06 <qt> sorry yeah it's off-topic
10:08 <K2> no worries
10:08 <K2> was just confused there for a sec
11:02 <qt> ugh, regretting my failure to say aosdict 'committed' crimes
11:02 <qt> that one is going to haunt me
11:07 <K2> :)
11:34 <mobileuser> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66oyL15H_DA&list=PLSMETuURtTXCzW7Q_ZIy4QzEnyUG8totf&index=113
11:35 <mobileuser> ^ K2 rogues after the fix to allow them to steal gold via thievery
11:36 <K2> LOL
11:37 <K2> 'adventurer, I need your aid!'
11:41 <qt> I found cloth speed boots and mithril dwarvish boots -- is it better to have extra speed and 2 AC, or just normal intrinsic speed and -1 AC?
11:42 <K2> speed imo
11:42 <mobileuser> do you already have intrinsic speed?
11:43 <mobileuser> if not, then surely speed boots
11:43 <qt> i do have intrinsic speed
11:43 <mobileuser> I would be tempted to go for the -1 AC, but then I play like a tank
11:43 <mobileuser> it depends on your style
11:46 <K2> something else i was thinking about with rogues/thievery
11:47 <K2> i know nymphs can steal even cursed/welded items, but should a rogue? i'm thinking not
11:49 <Umbire> Same, but probably worth considering a failure message that reveals if the target item is cursed or not
11:50 <K2> or just not even consider a cursed worn/wielded object
11:51 <Umbire> Well, if they know it's cursed
12:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 8557 points, T:8862, killed by a gnome lady, while sleeping
12:24 <qt> !lastgame qt
12:24 <Hecubus> qt: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/evilhack/dumplog/1628090721.evil.html
12:24 <qt> i had found a lot of good stuff and was playing pretty well, but for the sleep wand... :(
12:27 <K2> :/
13:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law), 566 points, T:2006, killed by a bone crossbow bolt
13:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1240 points, T:2410, killed by a bolt of cold
13:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5405 points, T:4019, killed by a gnome lady, while sleeping
13:50 <qt> lol -- my own bones, i died to the same orc with a sleep wand
13:51 <qt> boy if that left bones again it has some good loot - bag of holding, magic lamp, magic whistle, all sorts of good stuff
13:51 <K2> doh
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13:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:44505
14:02 <qt> I just saw an elven shopkeeper kill a goblin lol, pretty cool
14:11 <K2> hahah yeeees
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14:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1695 points, T:2664, poisoned by a killer bee
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14:15 <qt> i found a +5 orcish helm that game
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16:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2411 points, T:4343, killed by a dust vortex
16:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1425 points, T:1223, killed by a mountain dwarf
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16:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:46315
16:47 <Umbire> Yay.
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17:13 <mobileuser> interesting miscalculation, my fireballs have burned away tree cover so that the Paladin can now appear next to me
17:14 <mobileuser> does stun have an effect on scrolls of earth, or is that confusion only...
17:14 <amateurhour> stun doesn't give different scroll effects
17:14 <mobileuser> check :-)
17:15 <mobileuser> @e?Paladin
17:15 <Hecubus> Paladin (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon stun, 1d8 cast clerical, 1d6 claw amulet steal | Alignment: 20 | Flags: omnivore, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible
17:15 <mobileuser> amulet steal would be bad
17:19 <mobileuser> new boulder fort created , but 1 dead tree remained. awkward.
17:19 <Umbire> lol
17:20 <Umbire> Feels kinda weird that the Paladin can covetousport
17:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the Paladin of Anu, on T:47092
17:22 <mobileuser> phew! :-)
17:22 <amateurhour> \o/
17:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 45233 points, T:25145, poisoned by a locust
17:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47109
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17:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2041 points, T:3237, killed by a leather golem
17:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2930 points, T:2399, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gold golem
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18:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2127 points, T:2799, killed by a bolt of fire
18:14 <K2> nice qt, saw your PR for booze/satiation level
18:25 <qt> yeah it's kind of silly but i think it might be a nice touch
18:30 <K2> i want to add it to evilhack
18:39 <qt> go for it
18:39 <Umbire> You guys would help with trying to make my own variant, right?
18:41 <K2> what are you wanting to make?
18:41 <K2> as in, what's the theme? what would set it apart from the rest?
18:43 <qt> you get free pornography every time you go downstairs. this replaces the hunger clock as a mechanic to encourage players to keep pushing onward
18:45 <qt> umbire if you run into some kind of tough problem feel free to ask me about it, i'll be game to take a look if i have time
18:45 <Umbire> qt I'm not Amy, pls
18:45 <Umbire> (sure, no prob)
18:46 <Umbire> K2: Lean more into the urban fantasy aspect, probably
18:46 <K2> cool
18:46 <qt> what's urban fantasy? more dark elves?
18:47 <K2> rednecks
18:47 <Umbire> no
18:47 <K2> valley girls
18:47 <Umbire> no
18:47 <K2> jocks, nerds
18:47 <Umbire> redneck elves
18:47 <Umbire> Shadowrun is a v. particular flavor of UF
18:47 <Umbire> But if it helps you get the idea
18:47 <qt> oh i know of shadowrun
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18:48 <qt> seems like it would be a big project to make nethack an urban fantasy game, then, since it's all dungeons and cloaks and chain mail
18:49 <Umbire> I mean it wouldn't be a full conversion
18:49 <K2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHa1zTLrXO8 - 0:38 on
18:49 <Umbire> Just leaning into it more
18:49 <qt> i thought shadowrun was like cyberpunk with elves in it basically
18:49 <qt> is that about right
18:49 <Umbire> Roughly
18:49 <Umbire> As I said, it's a v. particular flavor
18:49 <Umbire> I mentioned it as a springboard
18:50 <qt> the wikipedia page on "urban fantasy" has an entirely unrelated subsection about various times the phrase "an urban fantasy" has been used in tourism advertisements
18:50 <qt> what purpose does that serve? is someone really going to come upon that page and be like, "damn, this is all about elves -- i was looking for more information on the 1928 NY Times advertisement for the St. Regis Hotel"
18:51 <Umbire> I should poke someone about that later
18:51 <Umbire> But the idea is to make the dungeon feel more "lived in"
19:00 <K2> so like couches and love seats?
19:01 <qt> You see here a love seat. #sit There is an incubus hiding under a cushion!
19:02 <nabru> "Someone didn't clean up after leaving the dungeon. You see here 9 empty potion bottles."
19:05 <Umbire> Not that lived in :B
19:05 <K2> (a)pply bong?
19:06 <nabru> Oh wow! Great stuff!
19:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 15059 points, T:12137, poisoned by a vampire bat
19:11 <Umbire> For a more concrete reference, kinda like what NetHack-- tried to do a bit
19:17 <Umbire> More pressingly, how up for teaching git would anyone in here be?
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19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hum Mal Neu) had a copper long sword entrusted to him by Mog, on T:3186
19:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1393 points, T:1954, quit
19:48 <Umbire> Oh yeah, MoT still as much of a jerk as ever?
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20:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:4358
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22:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3280
22:38 <K2> I did
22:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3960
22:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1664 points, T:4473, killed by a watchman