00:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 4689 points, T:5780, killed by a dwarf lady
00:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1411
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01:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1278 points, T:2196, killed by a mountain dwarf
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02:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 958 points, T:1998, zombified by a diseased elf corpse
02:56 <Arahael> I *hate* getting termIll right after I've prayed. :(
03:07 <mobileuser> lol, how is Joanna the Knight riding a warhorse able to leap at me
03:15 <amateurhour> there's 6 legs if you include the horse
03:15 <amateurhour> that's a lot of jumping power
03:17 <mobileuser> I actually never ride, but I sort of assumed you can't jump when riding.
03:17 <mobileuser> * whilst riding
03:17 <Umbire> You absolutely can
03:18 <mobileuser> ah!
03:18 <mobileuser> interesting
03:18 <mobileuser> anyway, Joanna had a much needed BoH
03:19 <amateurhour> thanks Joanna for ur noble sacrifice
03:19 <mobileuser> absolutely
03:19 <amateurhour> \o/
03:19 <mobileuser> Joanna of Arc
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04:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 442 points, T:1268, killed by a bolt of lightning
04:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 36 points, T:63, killed by an orcish dagger
04:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 2436 points, T:2695, killed by a giant spider, while praying
05:19 <mobileuser> Can't even cast forgotten spells as infidel without the amulet, harsh :-)
05:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible AntiVirus' ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3877
05:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:59925
05:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Cav Gia Mal Neu), 204 points, T:884, killed by Ms. Syktywkar; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
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06:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 7605 points, T:6065, killed by an energy vortex
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06:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 4580 points, T:5369, killed by a dwarf lord
06:51 <mobileuser> "You see here a stone tin opener."
06:51 <mobileuser> materials are funny sometimes
06:53 <VaderFLAG> it has a nice marble handle
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07:05 <mobileuser> heh
07:06 <mobileuser> advanced stone age technology
07:06 <mobileuser> T:31202 I found a potion of holy water!
07:06 <mobileuser> exciting news for my infidel
07:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 1085 points, T:2148, killed by an orcish arrow
07:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 149 points, T:621, killed by a mountain dwarf
07:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) had an ironshod staff entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:726
07:25 <amateurhour> you could probably use hooa to get holy water
07:25 <amateurhour> tomsod made some changes recently for that kind of thing I think
07:34 <mobileuser> yes, something to keep in mind
07:34 <mobileuser> if you can find hooa and and an altar :-)
07:39 <mobileuser> I've been walking around with an uncursed magic lamp for ages, will I finally be able to get Dragonbane...
07:41 <amateurhour> well now you have jinxed it
07:47 <mobileuser> heh
07:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 1919 points, T:1974, killed by a rothe
08:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Hum Mal Una) made his first wish - "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:32757
08:16 <mobileuser> now to kill Iziar the Roamer...
08:16 <amateurhour> \o/
08:17 <mobileuser> urgh he has a wand of lightning
08:17 <amateurhour>  /o\
08:18 <mobileuser> ring of shock resistance on right hand now
08:19 <mobileuser> he therefore switched to another wand, only lost a ring of searching
08:20 <mobileuser> "You hear Iziar the Roamer reading a scroll of teleportation." hmmm
08:20 <Pinkbeast> Presumably scrolls of teleportation are labelled ELBIB INSERT YOUR NAME HERE YLOH
08:20 <mobileuser> lol
08:20 <mobileuser> this is sokoban, does he stay within sokoban?
08:21 <mobileuser> it must have been cursed
08:24 <mobileuser> ah found him
08:26 <mobileuser> oh shit
08:26 <mobileuser> where is Dragonbane???
08:26 <amateurhour> uh oh
08:26 <VaderFLAG> He knew you were coming for it and stashed it
08:26 <K2> in his fanny pack
08:27 <mobileuser> it's not in his sack
08:27 <mobileuser> was I scammed
08:27 <K2> not wearing them?
08:28 <mobileuser> I killed him, I see no Dragonbane
08:29 <mobileuser> this is frustrating
08:29 <amateurhour> scammed :(
08:29 <mobileuser> how is this possible
08:30 <amateurhour> is there any way in which it could have been destroyed?
08:32 <amateurhour> if dragonbane already exists does the wish fail or can it still summon an npc I wonder
08:32 <mobileuser> I am wearing black dragon scale mail, but that shouldn't destroy Dragonbane
08:32 <K2> i'm checking
08:32 <mobileuser> wish should fail if Dragonbane already existed
08:33 <mobileuser> it's not in my list of discoveries
08:35 <K2> no the wish wouldnt fail
08:35 <K2> it would just create the base item
08:36 <K2> confirmed this with nethack official 3.6 and 3.7
08:37 <K2> but its owner shouldnt come with it
08:37 <K2> if its just base item
08:38 <mobileuser> uh...
08:39 <mobileuser> so Dragonbane exists elsewhere??
08:39 <K2> looks like it
08:39 <K2> want me to look at your save?
08:39 <K2> make sure nothing weird is going on
08:40 <mobileuser> yes please!
08:40 <K2> k
08:41 <K2> ok i have a copy
08:41 <K2> can play more if you like
08:41 <mobileuser> thx!
08:41 <K2> where in soko did you make the wish
08:42 <mobileuser> first level
08:43 <mobileuser> I was on the stairs
08:43 <K2> ok
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08:43 <mobileuser> weirdly, when I climbed back up there was a boulder on the stairs
08:43 <K2> ok
08:44 <mobileuser> maybe the giant threw a boulder at me
08:44 <mobileuser> right, you descend to leave sokoban
08:45 <K2> so you made the wish on the first soko level
08:46 <K2> where did it teleport to?
08:49 <K2> mobileuser ^
08:49 <mobileuser> 3rd soko level
08:53 <K2> hmm
08:57 <K2> mobileuser when you made the wish you got the npc owner correct?
08:57 <mobileuser> yes
08:58 <K2> wtf did he do with the gloves
08:58 <mobileuser> what is the base item? there were no dragonhide gloves either
08:59 <K2> base item is leather gloves
08:59 <mobileuser> ah ok
08:59 <K2> well just 'gloves'
08:59 <mobileuser> the "boxing gloves" are probably the base item he left behind then?
09:00 <K2> yeah
09:00 <K2> where are they?
09:01 <mobileuser> in the pile on the third sokoban level
09:01 <amateurhour> the previous owner shouldn't show up if the artifact already exists imo... they don't own it
09:02 <K2> yeah they dont
09:02 <K2> the gloves left behind are gauntlets
09:02 <K2> if i wish for dragonbane again i get falconry gloves (regular gloves)
09:03 <mobileuser> but you don't get dragonbane
09:03 <K2> no
09:03 <K2> no i dont rather
09:03 <mobileuser> so it must exist already...
09:03 <K2> did he have a wand of polymorph?
09:04 <mobileuser> or it got destroyed
09:04 <mobileuser> no he had striking and lightning
09:04 <K2> monsters will use poly on themselves as a defensive measure
09:05 <K2> but will also use it offensively, that didnt happen did it
09:05 <mobileuser> no
09:05 <mobileuser> but I was blinded by the lightning
09:05 <mobileuser> maybe he ate the gloves
09:06 <mobileuser> caveman...
09:07 <K2> i think he poly'd himself
09:08 <K2> in my recent test, i wished for dragobane, then zapped poly wand at the npc a couple times
09:08 <K2> all their stuff is different
09:08 <K2> no dragonbane
09:10 <mobileuser> their poly wand maybe exploded in a lightning rebound
09:11 <mobileuser> (brb)
09:12 <K2> artifacts will resist being poly'd but its not 100%
09:12 <K2> huh
09:12 <K2> it has to be that, i cant think of anything else
09:12 <K2> either that or it still exists somewhere
09:14 <amateurhour> in vanilla artifacts have a 95% chance of resisting being poly'd
09:14 <amateurhour> when polypiling of course^
09:14 <amateurhour> is that still true in evilhack?
09:14 <K2> yup same in evilhack
09:14 <K2> brb
09:14 <amateurhour> does it still apply when it's in a monster's invent?
09:24 <mobileuser> so I was scammed out of a magic lamp and have no way to get dragonbane anymore, we carry on :-)
09:29 <K2> amateurhour yeah i'm sure it would
09:30 <K2> mobileuser i wished up a ton of scrolls of magic detection and scanned a bunch of levels for it, couldnt find them
09:30 <K2> just to make sure
09:30 <mobileuser> thx K2!
09:30 <K2> :/
09:31 <mobileuser> I have ascended without dragonbane before
09:31 <K2> i feel like I should do your dishes or something
09:31 <K2> i'm really good at that
09:31 <mobileuser> lol!
09:31 <K2> :P
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09:43 <mobileuser> if I survive long enough, yellow scales + amulet of reflection will do, I will get flying from demon form
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09:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible elenmirie's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4294
09:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:18012
10:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed naoky's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:4429
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10:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5683 points, T:4962, killed by a giant mimic
10:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 451 points, T:890, killed by a flint stone
10:53 <amateurhour> K2 did you see this https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/ox3ym3/wand_of_wishing_turns_to_dust_on_the_first_try/
10:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1471 points, T:2186, killed by an arrow
10:54 <K2> reading
10:58 <mobileuser> sounds like a bones WoW with 0 charges
10:58 <amateurhour> how was it identified?
10:59 <mobileuser> could have been blessed magic detection
10:59 <amateurhour> ooh yeah
11:00 <mobileuser> it can also have been a random WoW that a monster used?
11:01 <amateurhour> I'd have never thought of either of those scenarios haha
11:02 <K2> mobileuser it could have been yeah
11:02 <K2> i replied
11:02 <K2> to the reddit
11:08 <K2> now that I am thinking about it - who is the active mod for r/nethack ?
11:13 <amateurhour> idk
11:14 <K2> i just sent a message to all the mods
11:14 <K2> we need new flair
11:16 <amateurhour> what flair do you want
11:16 <K2> oh a bunch
11:16 <K2> i'd like to see flair for every variant
11:16 <K2> flair for 3.7.0
11:16 <K2> and for the active tournaments
11:17 <K2> maybe even a [help] flair
11:17 <K2> more flair... MOAR
11:17 <K2> and of course [Carl]
11:17 <amateurhour> flair...
11:17 <amateurhour> ...ed trousers
11:17 <K2> :)
11:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3534
11:33 <K2> i'm gonna bump the price of scrolls of magic detection
11:33 <K2> as well as the ink required to write one
11:33 <K2> they are a lot more powerful than I initially realized
11:33 <K2> you'd think i would have noticed from when i played grunthack all the time
11:34 <Umbire> Yeah those things are cracked
11:34 <K2> 'cracked' sounds bad
11:34 <K2> like 'hey bob, your engine block is crackesd, you should get that fixed'
11:34 <K2> *cracked
11:38 <Umbire> again, this is the "good" cracked
11:38 <Umbire> which is bad balance-wise :B
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11:57 <rebatela> that's really weird about that wand of wishing 
11:58 <K2> yeah
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12:03 <rebatela> wouldn't #overview show if it was bones? And you hear monsters using wands of wishing on the level 
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12:07 <K2> yes and yes
12:07 <K2> however you wont hear them if they're too far away
12:07 <K2> i just got [Junethack] and [TNNT] flair added to r/nethack
12:08 <K2> working on a few variants
12:16 <qt> would the wand become identified if the player saw a monster use it?
12:17 <qt> maybe they just missed it in some message spam
12:37 <rebatela> you don't even have to see it. if you are within hearing distance you know they are making a wish with a wand 
12:37 <rebatela> but yeah, they would have had to have missed a message 
12:37 <rebatela> or they could have been too far away i guess 
12:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Cav Gia Mal Law), 11354 points, T:7603, killed by a shimmering dragon
12:44 <qt> if you just hear it without seeing it, that still identifies the wand type?
12:45 <qt> bc the poster suggested it was already identified as a wow when they picked it up
12:49 <K2> no it wouldnt id itself just by hearing a monster use it
12:50 <Umbire> You'd have to see the wand as well
12:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 713 points, T:2154, killed by a rabid dog
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13:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5724 points, T:6862, killed by a green dragon
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14:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3240 points, T:4356, killed by a Green-elf
14:36 <K2> nice, I got [SpliceHack] [xNetHack] and [EvilHack] flair added to r/nethack also
14:38 <Umbire> Nice
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15:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed sluggoman's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2348
15:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4641 points, T:3631, killed by an owlbear
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15:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Sam Gia Mal Law), 3207 points, T:3206, killed by an ancient pseudodragon, while sleeping
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 884 points, T:2429, killed by a giant leech
15:58 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±7] https://git.io/JBjFq
15:58 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 33a603b - Scroll of magic dectection adjustments.
15:58 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 5e5ec5d - Remove skill flag > from #enhance menu.
15:58 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 7f4127d - Fix: prevent thievery skill from incrementing when only thing in the monster's inventory is gold.
15:59 <K2> !tell qt when you get a quick minute, I'd like your thoughts on https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/7f4127d35a6cb3bdb978365fb1894b729a169ef4 - thanks
15:59 <Hecubus> Will do, K2!
16:00 <qt> K2: what is thievery skill? something a rogue has?
16:00 <Hecubus> qt: Message from K2 at 2021-08-03 15:59 EDT: when you get a quick minute, I'd like your thoughts on https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/7f4127d35a6cb3bdb978365fb1894b729a169ef4 - thanks
16:00 <K2> yes
16:00 <K2> they start with basic skill in thievery
16:01 <qt> I don't see why a rogue shouldn't be able to steal gold, according to the commit the "don't let player steal gold" thing is because nymphs can't do it
16:01 <K2> unarmed, use shift+F to attack a monster, you have a chance of stealing a single object from its inventory
16:01 <K2> your thievery skill and dexterity play a role in failure/success
16:01 <K2> i'd like a rogue to be able to steal gold
16:02 <K2> not sure how best to go about it
16:03 <qt> does the skill still get trained if you use the nymph steal ability, or does it only happen for rogues?
16:03 <K2> only for rogues
16:07 <K2> time to pick up mini-me, back in a bit
16:17 <mobileuser> wow, first time I have come across a mind flayer larva nursery
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16:31 <amateurhour> I still can't believe you hadn't seen one before this
16:31 <qt> !tell k2 the way rogue stealing is grafted onto nymph stealing is a little confusing, and it's weird that it shares a skill with bare-handed, but I think this will restore the rogue's cutpurse talents https://termbin.com/u9m3
16:31 <Hecubus> k2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, qt.
16:33 <qt> does stealing from monsters increase your ability to fight bare-handed?
16:33 <mobileuser> and does bare handed combat increase your stealing skills
16:34 <mobileuser> I think that is the case
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16:34 <mobileuser> When I played rogue that felt strange
16:35 <mobileuser> qt do you know about the epic bug that used to exist for rogues?
16:35 <qt> mobileuser: no it seems like fighting bare-handed doesn't improve your stealing currently
16:35 <qt> no I don't think I know it
16:36 <mobileuser> It used to be the case that if you attacked a peaceful with F with a weapon, the peaceful wouldn't get angry :b 
16:37 <mobileuser> had a little bit of fun and then told K2
16:38 <mobileuser> meanwhile, I found a gnome with *2* wands of death
16:39 <mobileuser> thank you gnome
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16:42 <qt> lol it looks like your thievery skill really is used to calculate to-hit etc when fighting bare handed
16:42 <mobileuser> yeah
16:42 <qt> i thought it would have been accounted for because fighting bare handed doesn't improve thieving
16:43 <qt> but it works the other way around
16:43 <mobileuser> ah, nice find!
16:44 <qt> it's kind of a mess to have those two shared in a single skill...
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16:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 129 points, T:483, killed by a boulder
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17:21 <mobileuser> no altars all the way to Medusa
17:22 <mobileuser> but not to worry, I just need to fight my way past hordes of dangerous monsters to reach the Moloch temple in the ice queen branch!
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17:54 <Arahael> I still think it's weird how locusts cause sickness, yet, you can eat sewer rats just fine.
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18:39 <qt> i thought sewer rats can poison you sometimes
18:39 <qt> oh or is that rabid rat
18:39 <qt> probably rabid rat
18:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sly (Con Orc Mal Cha), 394 points, T:826, killed by an orc zombie
18:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sly (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 185 points, T:469, burned by molten lava
18:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sly (Con Orc Mal Cha), 629 points, T:1521, killed by a pony, while frozen by a monster's gaze
18:59 <aosdict> K2: idea for thievery skill is that you can't steal actual items (only gold) below Skilled or whatever
19:00 <aosdict> also grafting it onto nymph stealing makes it really odd, because you can steal equipped items and such
19:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Dispater, on T:63189
19:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2774 points, T:3455, killed by a soldier ant
19:21 <K2> qt thanks
19:21 <Hecubus> K2: Message from qt at 2021-08-03 16:31 EDT: the way rogue stealing is grafted onto nymph stealing is a little confusing, and it's weird that it shares a skill with bare-handed, but I think this will restore the rogue's cutpurse talents https://termbin.com/u9m3
19:21 <K2> thievery skill came from this patch - https://bilious.alt.org/?37
19:21 <K2> if there's a better way to do it, i'm all for it
19:23 <qt> huh, does it work backwards in that patch? normal 'bump' attack is stealing and F is a punch, rather than vice versa
19:24 <K2> i made some changes
19:24 <qt> i like the way in evilhack better tbh
19:25 <K2> thanks, me too
19:25 <K2> that patch qt... smart
19:33 <K2> works beautifully
19:33 <K2> thank you
19:33 <qt> cool, I might try to break up those functions in a little bit too
19:33 <qt> just to see how much of a pain it would be
19:33 <K2> gonna commit this now
19:33 <K2> so no rush
19:36 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JRe84
19:36 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 aa9c060 - Fix: allow Rogues to steal gold via thievery.
19:59 <aosdict> evilhack should properly account for a mount always gaining all the extrinsics of its rider
19:59 <aosdict> as that is what happens with the player
20:04 <K2> i dont follow
20:05 <qt> i guess when the player rides a mount, the mount gains resistances to the same things as the hero
20:05 <qt> does the same thing happen with monster rider/mounts?
20:05 <qt> probably not
20:05 <K2> mount doesnt always get player extrinsics
20:05 <K2> about the only thing they get is MR
20:07 <qt> i think attacks on monster rider/steed always hit the rider anyway
20:07 <K2> it does, there currently is no way to pick/choose which to attack
20:08 <K2> it's always rider until they are killed or dismount for whatever reason
20:09 <aosdict> talking in ##nethack-discord as how it also happens with flying
20:10 <aosdict> give me my flying goblin outriders on flying wargs
20:10 <aosdict> with frickin' laser beams on their heads
20:10 <K2> this made me think of the wizard of oz
20:11 <aosdict> me to
20:11 <aosdict> too
20:11 <K2> lol
20:11 <aosdict> should be some rumor or easter egg if a monkey wears an amulet of flying
20:12 <qt> nethack-discord? appropriate, you are like eris beaning k2 in the head with an apple, demanding these insane features
20:12 <aosdict> though in the original they were winged monkeys and bound by the desires of a person wearing the golden cap to command them
20:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed sly's ghost, the former Inmate, on T:5833
20:14 <qt> you should be able to get the golden cap and make three wishes on magic monkeys, k2 get on it please
20:14 <K2> already done, flying around on a baboon in wizmode
20:14 <K2> wished for a banana
20:14 <qt> lol
20:14 <qt> how does flying currently work with monster steeds?
20:14 <K2> good question
20:15 <K2> nazgul and fell beasts can both fly
20:15 <aosdict> in 3.7 the steed flies
20:15 <aosdict> but evilhack has weird fusion of 3.6 and 3.7 so I dunno
20:15 <qt> yeah sorry I mean with monster riders, not with the player riding a steed
20:15 <K2> player monster knights can jump and do so whilst on their steed
20:15 <qt> it sounded like that is missing based on what you said
20:16 <K2> i didnt do anything special specifically for flying and monster steeds, neither did antigulp
20:16 <K2> at least none that i know about from her
20:18 <qt> i think it would work one way but not the other
20:19 <qt> like a flying monster riding a non-flying steed, they would both fly, but vice-versa neither would fly. something like that
20:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:6720
20:26 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/JRez7
20:26 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 2fbb0c4 - Bit of code cleanup in muse.c
20:26 <Not-1527> [EvilHack] k21971 dec7085 - Additional monsters in green_mon().
20:38 <qt> right now flying steeds don't actually allow their (monster/non-player) riders to fly
20:38 <aosdict> so what happens if a orc mounted on a dragon flies over water? he drowns?
20:38 <qt> he won't even attempt it, but yeah he would drown
20:39 <aosdict> test case: orc mounted on a dragon when you do the invocation and create water beneath him
20:39 <qt> that would be perfect for my youtube prank channel
20:39 <qt> "come on bro, get on the dragon - it can fly, what are you worried about"
20:39 <aosdict> or more simply, over ice and then zap water
20:39 <aosdict> zap fire* 
20:39 <aosdict> geez not all my neurons are firing today
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1371 points, T:3201, killed by a soldier ant
21:34 <K2> heh
21:35 <K2> not to bouquet dying
21:35 <K2> the neurons thing
21:39 <K2> !who
21:39 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil] KingGizzard [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players
21:39 <qt> bouquet's neurons blinking out one by one as she lay dying, ravaged by a soldier ant? _That's_ what you were laughing about? That's sick
21:39 <K2> omg
21:40 <K2> lol
21:48 -!- qt has quit [Quit: goodnight]
21:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 126 points, T:538, killed by a goblin
23:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:7601
23:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 8731 points, T:7794, poisoned by a lesser nightmare
23:10 <Arahael> bouquet: Found your bones.
23:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1547
23:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3157
23:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 48 points, T:178, killed by a steel dart