00:12 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±7] https://git.io/J4DnV 00:12 [EvilHack] k21971 1d9161f - Fix: various issues with monster riders/steeds. 00:12 [EvilHack] k21971 ac3461a - Fix: bugle playing should not scare certain monsters. 00:12 [EvilHack] k21971 826c7c6 - Fix: give rings/wands/artifacts in monsters inventory the same consideration as the player vs shock damage. 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Ran Hob Mal Neu), 1094 points, T:1670, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant ant 00:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Cen Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3350 00:29 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5788 00:55 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1427 points, T:2235, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4563 points, T:7177, zombified by a human zombie, while helpless 01:43 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/J4DbS 01:43 [EvilHack] k21971 e908c87 - Dragons have proper alignment. 01:44 !who 01:44 K2: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] DeathDealer [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 01:48 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/J4DAX 01:48 [EvilHack] k21971 449d9f3 - Wrong monster name in nasties list (wizard.c) 02:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Cen Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a troll corpse, on T:4834 02:06 [hdf-us] [evil] DeathDealer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of leather gauntlets of protection, on T:11033 02:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:52 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:3639 03:08 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:54 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 394 points, T:1082, killed by a crossbow bolt 04:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 04:36 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:39 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest1117 04:39 -!- Guest1117 has quit [Killed (zinc.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 04:39 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:42 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8312 04:42 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:45 -!- Guest8312 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:50 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4179 05:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4750 05:17 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8727 05:17 -!- Guest8727 has quit [Killed (platinum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 05:17 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:5400 05:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (lead.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 05:53 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:03 I can't do this soko! 06:03 * Arahael cheats, and looks up the wiki. 06:04 -!- Umby has joined #evilhack 06:04 -!- Umby has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05 -!- Umby has joined #evilhack 06:05 -!- Umby has quit [Client Quit] 06:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:10 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:13 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:14 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest654 06:14 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:15 -!- Guest654 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:25 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:27 -!- krm26_ has joined #evilhack 06:31 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:54710 07:05 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8434 07:05 -!- Guest8434 has quit [Killed (sodium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 07:06 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:14 K2: Goblin outrider on warg without highlight -- https://imgur.com/a/m5nG6zu 07:15 krm26_: I thought that was normal? 07:19 I've had that problem in my game, too. 07:19 On that note, though, I may as well borrow krm's rcfile. 07:19 Been having issues getting colors and shit to work, so. 07:20 Don't look at my sloppy regex though -- I half-assed it :-) 07:20 'k. 07:20 Arahael: As I understand it, mounted monsters are supposed to have inverted colors 07:20 And mine just look normal 07:21 krm26_: Mine generally look normal too. 07:21 Might be a curses thing 07:22 Probably. 07:22 No, pets are in inverted colours, so my terminal definitely handles that fine. 07:23 K2: Needs to be an AI hack for monsters in a room with a choke point to have them wait for the character to enter instead of streaming into the death gap. A super-simple thing would just be to have monsters avoid stepping on squares with too many corpses on them, maybe based on their int -- really smart, won't step on 3 corpses, really dumb, will climb over a pile of corpses to die 07:23 Pets should be underlined, not inverted 07:23 I think 07:23 Depends on your rc settings. 07:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:55365 07:29 krm26_ hey 07:30 Hey hey 07:30 can you save real quick? patch 07:31 Saved and out 07:31 Hmm. I have 8 HP, and am inside an energy vortex. 07:31 and done 07:31 Should I pray - or cancel the vortex from the inside? 07:31 thanks 07:32 i already patched au and eu last night 07:32 Slow monster to get ejected, then escape? Teleport? 07:32 krm26_: Don't have slow monster. 07:32 Also don't have teleport. 07:32 I would sooner pray. 07:33 Engulfing not affected by cancelation 07:33 Afaik 07:33 krm26_: Yes, but what about the energy effect? 07:33 Wouldn't it make it harmless? 07:33 It will stop the power drain 07:33 And that's it? 07:34 I think so, I wouldn't bank on it doing anything else 07:34 Umbire what happened to the ring of phul in your game... hah ouch 07:34 Hmm. So wondering what I should do. 07:34 that's actually normal vanilla behavior, vanilla has zero protection for artifacts in destroy_mitem() 07:34 You can see by the dumplog exactly what happened. 07:34 i did 07:34 That's so fucking stupid. 07:35 I have 6 darts, and a couple other projectiles - also striking and magic missile... 07:35 and vanilla nethack didnt need to protect against artifacts in that way, was no need 07:35 Ranged should avoid strikeback 07:35 in the players inventory, artifacts are already off-limits to shock damage 07:35 Although it might also deal normal "you're engulfed" damage each round? 07:35 If you are under the heal threshold I guess I would pray to be sure 07:36 So Umbire lost the ring because it was in the monster's inventory? Is that right? 07:36 that it happened on the first first hit, just really stupid dumb luck. the odds are actually fairly low 07:36 What would hurt the energy vortext more? lightning, magic missile, striking, (all wands) - or darts? 07:36 *very first 07:36 krm26_: Already prayed, as Umbire suggested. 07:36 magic missile 07:36 Energy vortex is immune to shock 07:36 Pretty sure magic missile would be most sensible. 07:36 Should I break the magic missile? I only need to take 20 HP off it though. 07:37 I'd just zap it a couple of times. 07:37 Umbire this is live now - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/826c7c6573d741870f063dc8740673696e790a5e 07:37 Breaking it would get the guaranteed damage but fuck you up pretty badly as well, unless you have MR or something. 07:37 Seems to be working. 07:37 Umbire: Yeah, I don't have MR. 07:38 Yay, that worked. 07:38 Anyway glad to see you back Umbire, hope you didn't spend too much of your evening stewing over the unfairness of it all :-) 07:38 I literally gave up on the day and went to sleep, so. 07:38 Now to re-light my magic lamp and keep playing. :) Don't know what to wish for anyway. 07:38 that's better than some would have done 07:39 i was imagining 'umbire had to go to the store to get a new kboard' 07:39 I'd usually much rather have light than a wish 07:40 krm26_: Yeah, until I do the quest, then I'll have the eyes, anyway. 07:41 Wish there were one or two other permalight sources in the game...maybe the magic mirror of merlin..blessed dilithium crystal in open inventory... 07:43 Safe to say I'm going to be sore about this shit for a few days, bare minimum. 07:43 Artifact gem pouch, can only put in gems; each time you invoke it it consumes 5-10 gems for an effect based on the type of gem most consumed -- kind of a gem-fueled variation of the oldschool deck of many things 07:43 Something to do with gems other than score 07:43 Give the pouch a 25% chance of showing up in the inventory of each generated shopkeeper :-) 07:44 Weird crap like emerald: Summon pet giant turtle, ruby: fireproof a random piece of cloth/leather gear, etc. Minor stuff 07:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Cen Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:8393 08:00 Umbire: This whole time playing evil, I was wondering if the ring could disintegrate. :( 08:06 in player inventory, no, it was always safe 08:06 never considered monster inventory - they wont wear it 08:07 and vanilla has never had a wand/ring artifact so why bother with exclusing artifacts from shock damage 08:07 *excluding 08:07 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) murdered Prudence, his faithful pony, on T:8873 08:07 Umbire hit Thoth Aman with a lightning weapon whilst it still had the ring 08:08 boop 08:08 WHILST 08:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 17907 points, T:9688, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 08:12 Neither this nor tinklebear's games have shown up on hdf. 08:12 Hmm... 08:12 weird 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] omghax (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:25, killed by a falling object 08:14 probably their setmintc settings in #hardfought 08:14 It's weird, in this game I've not only got no idea what to wish for (probably dragonbane), but I also don't know what i want from soko! 08:15 Well what do you even have. 08:15 Umbire: Suffice to say, nothing. Nothing identified. 08:15 elenmirie: You might want to look into your turn count settings, in accord with the above. 08:16 I'm thinking amulet, though - either reflection or MR would be useful. But so, too, would a BoH. 08:16 What? Don't wish for an amulet or bag before sokoban! 08:16 Oooh! If I get the armor, I risk getting boots, right? I wouldn't want that, I can't wear boots. 08:16 He's talking about what he wants from Sokoban. 08:17 MR <- reflection <- BoH in that order 08:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law), 5188 points, T:3266, killed by an Uruk-hai 08:17 always get MR as soon as you can 08:17 Anyway, the armor is either gauntlets or a helm, if I recall. 08:17 agreed 08:17 That way any starting race can use it. 08:17 Yeah, if you have nothing, you have to try the amulet from sokoban, there is no choice 08:17 Ah, helm of speed - Yeah, I think I'll go for the ". 08:17 actually sometimes i will go for the tool if i don't have any type of bag at all (and obviously no marker...) 08:17 It is harder if you already have reflection or MR 08:17 I've an overloaded bag downstairs, but I think that can wait. It's a stash, afterall. 08:18 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Cen Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:8661 08:18 the thing about monk though is you get mr from quest artifact (as soon as xl 10 now if ya want) 08:18 Ooh? I just picked up "everything" - so I thought... And ended up picking up the amulet... And *not* the scroll of scare monster? 08:18 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:19 If you are using my rc you have a scare monster exception 08:19 rebatela: Indeed, so reflection is pretty good. 08:19 And unfortunately you will always pick up vorpal jabberwocks, I need to correct that :-) 08:19 hah thats from my rc isnt it 08:20 I experienced that as well. 08:20 K2: I think your commit to let rings in monster inventory resist destruction should use s_suffix ("foo's") instead of makeplural ("foos") 08:20 i need to change that to be 'vorpal blade' 08:20 Pick up one of the prizes and the walls sealing off interrupt the autopickup, it sounds like. 08:20 qt thanks i couldnt remember 08:20 Umbire: Yeah, that's what seems to be happening. 08:20 in grunthack you could have vorpal obj prop so i made sure to autopickup anything that was 'vorpal' 08:20 carried over into evilhack rc 08:21 K2: I could wish for a dart of vorpal1/ 08:21 !? 08:21 in grunthack yeah 08:21 hmm... i cant remember if vorpal is allowed on ammo or not 08:22 but that obj prop makes the samurai quest extremely dangerous 08:22 why, are samurai quest monsters more likely to have vorpal weapons 08:22 well edged weapons 08:23 Meaning non-zero chance you just eat shit. 08:23 that the odds were significant that they'd spawn with a vorpal katana or short sword 08:23 obj prop spawn rate in grunthack is kinda ridiculous 08:23 and then if you make it through you still get bisected by tsurugi 08:24 yup 08:24 Jabberwock-class should teleport you into a crazy looking glass level when they hit you 08:25 No health regen, randomized every entry, rush to the exit portal to return to the normal dungeon 08:25 krm26_: i was thinking the other day it would be cool if there were a side branch you enter by dying in a particular place 08:26 like if you die in the votd you get sent to this branch have to fight your way through to return to your body or something 08:26 Or if life saving doesn't instantly work but sends you to a level like that 08:27 That would teach those damn monsters using life saving :-) 08:27 one time only rather than something that would permanently prevent you from dying in the location 08:27 lol 08:28 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/J497I 08:28 [EvilHack] k21971 3d538b5 - Fix: replace makeplural with s_suffix from recent commit. 08:29 reincarnation 08:30 i came back as a newt! 08:31 qt did you see krm26_'s screenshot? 08:31 no 08:31 Hmm. Second magic lamp. 08:31 https://imgur.com/a/m5nG6zu 08:31 I had a two-magic-lamp game pre-sokoban once, where neither gave a wish...good times 08:31 cyan o's are goblin outriders, riding their wolf 08:32 oh wait 08:32 krm26_: Annoying because you have to think of what to wish for before you rub it! 08:32 yup 08:32 ok 08:33 using stethoscope doesnt give riding status 08:33 Arahael lol 08:33 Now I'm torn between MR - but I'd get that from the quest anyway... So probably best not wish for that. Or a BoH. A BoH would be awesome. 08:33 never wish for a boh in evilhack 08:33 you will come across one eventually 08:33 and there's The Bag™ 08:33 krm26_: will you try it with tty windowport and see if it makes a difference 08:34 Yeah, that's the main thing that's stopping me. And indeed, but it'll be a while before I get that - and when I do, I'd have done the castle first. 08:34 Well, you need a BoH before The Bag™ of you'll go bonkerdoodles :-) 08:34 lol 08:36 k2 does your copy of evil have curses support compiled in 08:36 Maybe even the Master Key of Thievery, for the half physical damage. 08:36 qt: I'll do that next time I find a mounted monster 08:36 will you check out a rider with curses and see if it is highlighted as expected? i think it may be a curses thing 08:36 (if you have curses compiled in, I mean) 08:37 Note that menus display inverted text without issue -- and the player glyph is inverted 08:37 qt yes 08:37 lemme look 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a copper scimitar entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:56171 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) destroyed AntiVirus' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:9953 08:40 oooh boy 08:40 it is curses 08:40 i'm seeing the same as krm26 in curses mode 08:40 lemme try a couple things 08:40 ok try this patch pls https://termbin.com/rifv 08:40 K2: Yeah, I remember teh same behaviour 08:40 I always play curses, I just assumed that this was normal for evilhack. :D 08:41 arahael: ring of p'hul is a great wish for chaotic, BUT Pelias is no joke at all 08:41 qt ok 08:41 Does he put on the ring immediately. 08:41 Ring of P'hul is the BEST wish for chaotics 08:41 probably as bad as neferet 08:41 rebatela: Yeah, I'm not quite ready for that. 08:41 glad krm26_ reported that lol 08:41 yeah, but it's not as option early unless you want to risk hopefully him not coming 08:42 Monks get disease resistance anyway, at some point. 08:42 I didn't mean to report it, I was whining to K2 about how he should find some way to highlight riders :-) 08:42 true 08:42 qt that works 08:42 cool 08:42 MR on a ring you have to use for free action anyway is amazing for a centaur/giant 08:42 i love the ring because I'm gonna be wearing FA anyway 08:42 ha. just said the same thing 08:43 krm26_: Yeah, but the quest gives me MR anyway. 08:43 tty is still good too (checked ot make sure) 08:43 Worse MR though 08:43 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:43 ROdney never steals the ring? 08:43 sure he does 08:43 Not if you wear cursed gloves over it :-) 08:43 genius strat 08:44 ah that's good 08:44 krm26_: Woah. :) 08:44 here comes the patch! 08:44 krm26_: You shouldn't mention such great ideas with K2 around! 08:44 i got really lucky with rodney my last game 08:44 Arahael why not? thats awesome 08:45 :D 08:45 I try to have at least half of my comments/suggestions skew towards making the game more evil rather than less 08:46 Although I'm thinking if you throw an engagement ring at Graz'zt he should give you your equipment back 08:46 (...because he is afraid of commitment and is getting the heck out of Dodge) 08:46 Patch works 08:47 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire, on T:10453 08:47 I'm now an inverted pegasus 08:47 * Arahael drops an uncursed faded pall in order to pick up the magic lamp. 08:48 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/J49p7 08:48 [EvilHack] k21971 a0beb4d - Fix: monsters riding steeds were not highlighted in curses mode. 08:48 if you polymorph into a saddleable monster, monsters should be able to ride you 08:48 its not live yet 08:48 you have to try to buck them off by F< and ^D 08:49 but if they succeed in breaking you, you are doomed to be their loyal steed for the rest of the game 08:50 so many priest fta combos open.. people don't really play priest in vanilla either 08:50 fta? 08:50 first to ascend 08:50 For Evil 0.7? 08:51 thinking of giving giant priest a whirl. I didn't even realize that was an option 08:51 Because I could oblige if that's the case, I suppose. 08:51 for evil in general 08:51 Oh. 08:51 Cool. 08:51 https://nethackscoreboard.org/firstasc.evil.html 08:51 ^ broken 08:51 a lil bit 08:52 Priests are no fun 08:52 Says you. 08:52 You can't use the Sword of Kas on Vecna 08:52 i used to play priests exclusively in vanilla before i switched to monk 08:53 What's so good about the Sword of Kas? I ignored it in my last game. 08:53 i guess they are harder in evil with the weapon restriction 08:54 Well, I stoned Vecna in my Priest game 08:54 Took a while 08:54 Arahael: Double damage to L, 3x to Vecna specifically. 08:54 Bah. I've got a stupid pet Djinni. 08:55 Yeah, worst possible lamp outcome 08:55 Umbire: Nice. Worth using as a monk? 08:55 Also stoning res, max strength and permapoisoned. 08:55 I think so 08:55 (While wielded, anyway.) 08:55 I keep a slot to train basic in that on roles that let you, just to speed through Vecna 08:55 Umbire: I had intrinsic stoning resistance. 08:56 how do you get intrinsic stoning resistance 08:56 DSM 08:56 It's a level-up intrinsic for monks. 08:56 Oh that too 08:56 In this specific context. 08:56 Monks get everything now 08:56 Eat all the Vecna wraiths up to 30 08:56 krm26_: Yeah, I had loads of fun doing that. 08:57 I actually extincted wraiths doing that. 08:57 K2: Did you see my suggestion to be able to mark wraiths as not leaving corpses, and having any generated in the Vecna branch not to that? Too ez access to leveling 08:57 you can already do that with the valley. any role 08:57 Or Priest on their own quest. 08:57 yep 08:58 (I'd actually do that to the valley and priest quest too :-) 08:58 priest you can cast create monster inside the portal and get crazy pw etc 08:58 Which reminds me, what's the best way to lure wraiths out of the votd? 08:58 Because luring them up through the castle is a pita. 08:59 can't you just cursed tele out when they're surrounding you 08:59 or has that been nerfed 09:00 not until you kill cerebrus 09:00 krm26_ i did 09:00 Really? Cool 09:00 lame 09:00 i'm thinking about it 09:00 rebatela: Ah, just lure them into geheno? makes sense. 09:00 we already have the votd to do wraith shenanigans 09:00 dont really need a 2nd place for the same 09:01 Yeah I think it is worth limiting killing all three major wraith shenanigan locations actually 09:01 whats the 3rd? 09:01 make your own game 09:01 ;) 09:01 Priest quest 09:01 wraith town 09:01 oh that doesnt count 09:01 only priests can access that 09:01 i snuck wraith town into the game when you weren't looking. all wraiths, all the time 09:02 it's a minetown variant 09:02 I *love* being able to level up in vecna's level 09:02 Or, leave wraiths just the way they are, but keep count of wraiths eaten; every one gives you an extra 10-20% chance of polying into a wraith the next time you eat one -- soft cap 09:02 Me too. 09:02 kiss it goodbye 09:02 * rebatela glares at krm26 09:02 so of course it's on the nerf hit list now? :-( 09:02 I mean the game is still hard as tits even if you max out your level. 09:02 bleh 09:03 He's just thinking about it 09:03 Umbire: Indeed! 09:03 Actually the more I think about it the more I think some soft cap mechanism for wraith eating would be better 09:03 To keep the maximum wraith levels per game to a reasonable level 09:04 but I don't want to turn into a wraith 09:04 have you considered that factor krm26_ 09:04 if i do something, my plan would be to just reduce the number of wraiths generated in vecna's domain 09:04 Yeah, that is why I suggested it as the penalty instead of getting a level! 09:05 Yeah, no need to shotgun the fly in the room. 09:05 I would love to be a wraith 09:05 Just less wraiths overall might be sufficient. 09:05 It's not a valid polyform now I think? 09:05 Yeah I don't think it is, not sure why not tho 09:06 why wouldnt a wraith be a valid polyform? 09:06 yeah it isn't 09:06 huh 09:06 if you try it you "feel like a new man" instead 09:07 i didnt know that 09:07 just tested it -- it works in wizmode but not normally 09:07 qt: How do you quickly test something like that? 09:08 I mean polyself in wizmode isn't all that difficult or time consuming. 09:08 i fired up explore mode and used the wand to wish for ring of poly control and wand of polymorph 09:08 wraith: Cold/Sleep/Poison/Stoning res, flies, does not breathe 09:08 Normal testing-- yeah. 09:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:56944 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:56976 09:11 qt: Yes, but you tested in normal mode, I thought? 09:12 explore mode is 'normal mode' for these things 09:12 i tested in explore mode, not normal mode really -- but the rules should be the same 09:12 Heh. 09:13 "just tested it -- it works in wizmode but not normally" <-- I assumed you tested both modes, there! :) 09:13 i think the only difference is the wand and your ability to decline to die? 09:13 yeah 09:13 so stuff like "which polyforms are allowed" I don't think it makes a difference whether you're in explore mode 09:13 yeah 09:14 Bah, just got myself 9 cursed potions of water. 09:14 Need holy water. 09:15 I'd take out 5 to put on an altar and keep the rest. 09:15 Haven't found an aligned altar yet, but yeah. 09:15 Still have 3 uncursed waters, too. 09:16 Gotta have unholy water! 09:16 If you put cursed water on the altar, do they still become holy in one step? 09:16 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 09:16 Or do they just become uncursed? 09:16 krm26_: Yes, but also gotta have both! 09:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:16 You know, I've never done that? But I assume one step 09:16 "monks get everything now" (you don't think there should be a tradeoff for not being able to wear armor or train weapons/use shield?) Other variants monks keep get intrinsics at higher levels. It's not some new thing in evil where monks are suddenly OP because of the vecna branch... 09:17 Don't think that's quite what was said. 09:17 Monks really can't use armour in evil so that's actually a reasonable tradeoff, imho. 09:17 Don't get me wrong, I love that monks keep piling on the intrinsics 09:17 gotta break vegan to eat wraiths :/ 09:17 oh it sounded like you were complaining about it. carry on 09:18 hard to interpret text sometimes 09:18 UNLESS you get a confused wraith to attack some pears, turning them into wraith pears 09:18 As one does 09:19 and yes monks get everything now is what he said umbire, hence the quotes 09:19 The key word is "quite". 09:19 As in "you may be reading intent into a statement that wasn't quite there". 09:20 other variants buff monk a lot more 09:21 I admit although I've played un, fiq and x a bunch and vanilla of course a ton I have really only played or cared about evil for at least the last 2 yrs 09:22 Confirmed that vanilla is still a little too uniform and predictable for me during junethack 09:23 So vanilla only managed to hold my interest for about 35 years 09:24 most everything 09:24 they dont get acid res :P 09:25 Just wear an apron 4Head 09:25 wait do they get intrinsic magic res and/or reflection? 09:26 no 09:26 nothing does 09:26 ok I was going to say that'd be insane 09:26 lol 09:26 it would 09:26 :P 09:33 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 09:36 Well, I'd best get some sleep. 09:36 krm26_: And yeah, I'm not one of the better players, but I do find vanilla to be... Vanilla. 09:37 nite arahael 09:37 Sometimes I think about having another game or two in there, though. 09:37 > be me 09:37 > ask K2 for monks to get acid res 09:37 amateurhour: "be me"? 09:37 > watch K2 add loads of intrinsics at unattainable xlvl and still doesn't add acid res 09:37 tfw 09:37 dragonbane is the best for monks for that reason 09:38 for anyone actually lol 09:38 not adding acid res to monks 09:39 i love the dragonhide gauntlets of protection but no acid res 09:42 backscroll: cursed water definitely becomes holy water when you pray on altar 09:43 Yeah, but he doesn't have a co-aligned altar yet. 09:47 Yeah, Dragonbane >>> any other gloves 09:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:48 dragonbanehack 09:51 if you're playing an illithid wizard do you still go for dragonbane? even though your str is low? 09:51 I assume so (never played illithid) 09:51 Don't want to interfere with casting 09:51 you can get bone GoP that don't mess with casting 09:51 No, you go for stone GoP. 09:52 Or bone. 09:52 Bone or stone, either works, really. 09:52 I don't think I would ever blow a wish on GoP. If I found a set in the right material, maybe 09:52 If you're playing an illithid wizard, that's a tough choice though. 09:52 CoMR, apron. 09:52 CoMR or apron... 09:53 wooden GoP is also an option 09:53 > bone or stone https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3442 09:53 lol 10:06 stonebone 10:06 ^ band name 10:12 Someone remind me how exactly Evil acid resistance works different from normal, if at all? 10:12 And just how much it blunts acid damage. 10:15 I would say you definitely want acid resistance for Kathryn and endgame casters, otherwise they can rough you up quite a bit 10:16 I'm not sure on the amount of damage reduction but it is significant 10:17 Oops, not sure what I wasn't paying attention to there... 10:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1152042 points, T:58223, killed by a touch of death 10:17 Lol. 10:17 !lastgame krm26 10:17 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1627166450.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1623895588.evil.html 10:17 I tend to zone out a lot 10:18 The Magic Mirror does reflection in Evil instead of magic resistance, and it turns out you had a CoMR in the bag. 10:18 Stab in the dark, maybe it was related to either of those? 10:19 Ah, yeah, I was just stupid, I assumed the mirror was MR 10:19 Surprised I lived so long! Musta gone 10000 turns like that :-) 10:19 Live and learn 10:19 Die and learn 10:21 -!- krm26_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:30 oh man. i saw he had the mirror and was going to ask, but i thought he knew it got changed 10:31 that's one of the things that makes lawful hard (like lawful giant for ex.). No mr artifact to wish for 10:33 although I was thinking about the gloves earlier and how dragonhide gauntlets of protection would be good if you also had the mirror and then like a dragonhide apron for acid resis (instead of dragonbane) 10:52 also be aware, knights only have to have the MMoM in open inventory for its reflection to work, all other roles would need to actually wield it 10:55 no love for lawfuls 10:56 is the etherpad down? 10:56 maybe 10:56 yeah 10:57 every once in awhile it needs to be restarted 10:57 (the process) 10:57 ok try now 10:58 seems to be up again 10:58 it is, i restarted the etherpad service 10:58 from experience, about once every 3-4 months, needs a restart 11:18 qt: do you think the latest monster rider/steed bits addressed this? (from etherpad) 11:18 I killed a lich riding a silver dragon, who was sitting in the square next to me, and as soon as he died the silver dragon appeared 4 squares away... this seems like an enexto thing? possibly caused by separate_steed_and_rider(steed.c) 11:19 no that would still happen 11:19 ok 11:20 because it just places the steed 'near' the rider or vice-versa 11:20 i think 11:20 that shambling horror thing... off 11:20 oof even 11:20 i'm not sure why that's happening 11:20 it's because the shambling horror state is saved to every level that gets stored to disk, not just bones files 11:21 ah 11:23 btw how do the oracle and charon change in the middle of gameplay 11:25 one sec 11:25 k2: oh snap. I didn't know the mirror only worked that way for knights. thank you! 11:26 qt look in mon.c line 4329 and on 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4593 11:47 Umbire was that github comment really necessary? 11:48 I suppose I see what you mean. 11:48 Honestly, having spent some time thinking on it, if it hadn't been the literal first swing I'd be infinitely less agitated about it. 11:49 seriously, it was just dumb luck. the odds are fairly low for a shock attack to damage wands/rings in a monsters open inv 11:50 wasn't it a bug though that it was destructible in a monster's hands but not the player's 11:51 in a way yes I suppose. destroy_mitem() was untouched, there was never a reason in vanilla to need to protect against artifacts in that block of code 11:52 and i didnt even think to look there when i did the wand/ring resistance bit a couple months ago. hell, i didnt even know exactly how artifacts were already protected in player inventory until last night 11:54 For what it's worth, it probably reads as me assigning blame, but I know it wasn't really your fault at all. You can delete the comment if you like. 11:54 surprised this hadnt happened earlier with as amny times players with for that ring and have to fight Pelias for it 11:54 *many 11:54 *wish 11:54 bleh spelling 11:54 Does make you wonder, doesn't it. 11:55 well the odds are rather low to begin with for shock damage to affect wands/rings in monster inventory 11:55 you just had *really* bad luck RNG 11:55 it was the anti-umbire countermeasures coming into play 11:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:00 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:4895 12:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (iridium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8246 12:36 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:40 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:40 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:54 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8644 12:54 -!- Guest8644 has quit [Killed (lithium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:54 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:22 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:26 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 18788 points, T:10092, killed by Mr. Papar; the shopkeeper 15:16 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:36 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3583 15:36 -!- Guest3583 has quit [Killed (platinum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 15:36 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:37 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2438 15:37 -!- Guest2438 has quit [Killed (tungsten.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 15:37 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:52 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:02 -!- bouquet_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2641 points, T:3745, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 16:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:18 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2878 points, T:5208, killed by a gnome lady 17:05 -!- bouquet_ has joined #evilhack 17:12 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 17:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 900 points, T:2069, killed by a gnome lady 17:58 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law), 7531 points, T:5051, killed by a barbed devil of Moloch 17:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:45 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3802 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible bouquet's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:4245 19:10 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1307 points, T:2300, killed by a mithril shuriken 19:15 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:40 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 19:46 > Your extra attack is ineffective while wearing a small shield. 19:46 I propose that centaurians should still be able to kick just fine. 20:06 A third magi lamp... 21:42 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 337 points, T:1138, killed by a dagger 21:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 751 points, T:1640, fell into a pit of iron spikes 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a magical apron entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:7643 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:17998 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 7389 points, T:7743, killed by a rothe 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3402 22:37 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 3045 points, T:5479, killed by a wolf 23:25 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection]