00:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 747 points, T:1617, killed by a mountain dwarf 01:13 -!- lacca[m] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:18 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 01:43 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 02:35 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:39 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:25 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 7519 points, T:7325, killed by an elven king 03:36 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible sluggoman's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2314 03:39 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2402 03:40 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1816 points, T:2407, killed by an elven arrow 04:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4537 points, T:4439, killed by a fire ant 04:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 04:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) murdered Coco, her faithful kitten, on T:4701 04:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4704 04:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 4921 points, T:5047, killed by a mountain dwarf 05:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 170 points, T:360, killed by a giant mimic 05:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4537 points, T:3170, killed by a bolt of fire 07:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible elenmirie's ghost, the former Novice, on T:16342 07:28 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Law), 50595 points, T:16632, killed by a mumak, while praying 07:28 dammit i forgot about the minetown zoo and dug down RIGHT into it lol 07:55 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 08:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:43 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 85088 points, T:25022, killed by an invisible earth elemental 09:07 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:35087 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1078 points, T:1572, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted killer bee, while frozen by a potion 09:52 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 801 points, T:714, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnoll hunter 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 324 points, T:697, killed by a gnome zombie 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed AntiVirus' ghost, the former Esquire, on T:6103 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:31729 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1929 points, T:2015, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted killer bee, while fainted from lack of food 11:06 woo krm26 11:06 lucky 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:33613 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33614 11:14 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 458 points, T:1224, zombified by an orc zombie 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 166 points, T:269, killed by a falling rock 12:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:34703 12:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed tinklebear the human zombie, and former Ronin, on T:34902 12:05 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:08 K2: major bug, you can't saddle a centaur soldier 12:09 maybe they dont want you to 12:09 in all seriousness, that should be a thing 12:09 elf solder mounts a centaur soldier, wooo lets go 12:09 giddy up 12:12 K2: major bug, you can't joust without riding as a centaur and also centaur knights don't exist 12:13 ah 12:13 * K2 files that bug as 'not a bug' 12:16 works as intended :) 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:11388 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:11840 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1744 points, T:3064, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant beetle, while fainted from lack of food 13:07 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 281 points, T:985, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted wererat 13:15 K2: lol https://0x0.st/-WSE.png 13:15 lol sweet 13:17 it's a really simple change, it basically just involves using r_data(mtmp) instead of mtmp->data in can_saddle, can_wear_barding, etc 13:18 hrm 13:18 https://termbin.com/gg3o like that 13:18 you still can't ride the centaur soldier yourself unfortunately 13:18 centaurs shouldnt be allowed to wear barding 13:18 they still can't 13:18 their body shape isnt right for it, they can wear regular body armor/cloaks 13:18 there's a special exception in can_wear_saddle that allows centaurs to be saddled, but they still can't wear barding 13:18 even after this patch 13:19 it doesn't really do anything relevant to can_wear_barding except set up for the future when you add a race of intelligent horses or something 13:20 cool 13:20 I think the only necessary part of the patch is replacing mtmp->data with r_data(mtmp) in can_saddle. the other stuff is basically just for consistency's sake 13:20 gotcha 13:20 the dwarven solder mounts the centaurian solder. they feel awkward 13:20 *soldier 13:21 lol 13:21 it reminds me of this - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2507/source 13:22 how was your vacation btw 13:25 it was alright. I kinda screwed up 13:26 how so? 13:26 first day on the beach, i didnt put on sunscreen, and I normally dont. I'll get a burn and then in 1-2 days its a nice tan. I guess my body has changed how it handles sunburns 13:27 upper part of my body was fine as i already had a base tan, but fromt he top of knees down to my toes, bad bad bad sunburn 13:27 legs and feet swelled up 13:27 oh man 13:27 that sucks 13:27 yeah they're still angry/swollen but not as bad as the first couple days 13:27 i couldnt walk right, couldnt put on shoes, etc 13:27 so about half the stuff my wife had planned, i couldnt do 13:27 oof 13:28 couldnt go back out in the sun 13:28 luckily it stayed a 1st degree burn, no blistering 13:28 but yeah i screwed up 13:28 she's still mad at me 13:29 figuring out how to make it up 13:30 we had fun though still, my kid got to do all the things we had planned 13:30 her first time in the ocean 13:32 nice 13:32 did you eat any lobsters 13:32 yes, and we ordered a bunch of lobster meat to bring home 13:33 you cant go to maine and not have a lobster roll 13:35 also went to Mecca (aka the original LL Bean store) 13:35 which is more like a complex 13:35 huge... YUGE 13:37 huh is it the one with a gigantic boot by the front door 13:37 yes. we got a pic of mini-me next to it 13:37 I just looked up a picture online and the boot looks very intimidating, I don't know if I would dare pass it to enter the store 13:38 its frinedly 13:38 friendly 13:38 frndy 13:45 i was gonna buy some new pants but didnt cuz putting pants on/off was a bit painful 13:45 should have just walked in naked 13:46 go in wearing a hawaiian shirt and no pants, nethack style 13:46 brilliant 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14298 14:12 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:22 and speed boots to outrun security 14:26 elenmirie: Found yer monk ghost 14:27 ate the red dragon what killed you 14:27 K2: also I don't understand deliberately getting a burn. it's like asking for skin cancer 14:29 was he deliberately aiming to get a sunburn or just not worrying much about it? 14:29 k2 the people demand to know 14:31 wasnt worrying about it 14:31 i used to lifeguard as a teen/young adult, i never used sunscreen 14:31 also as a kid every summer i'd get tan 14:31 burns never lasted long, they just always turned into tan 14:32 maybe because i'm older now? plus my legs/feet havent seen the light of day in awhile, maybe thats why this went bad 14:33 i've been checked a few times for skin cancer, always comes back negative 14:39 I've found most normal sunscreen gives me a bad rash so I have to use some expensive sunscreen for delicate baby skin 14:39 so I tend to just shun sunlight instead, taking cues from the noble vampire 14:47 my kid is allergic to a lot of different types of sunscreen 14:47 we have to use this mineral based one, it works well enough 14:47 my wife is as white as the pure driven snow. if she even thinks of the sun, she melts 14:48 my 'white' is more tan than her getting a lil bit of tan 14:48 hahah 15:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:47053 15:46 k2: i used to be the same way. Burn a little and then i'd be fine. I got burned BAD this year first time out > peeled > rained for a month and a half. Now my pale ass is hiding from the sun like a caveman and playing your silly game 15:47 :) 15:47 i just need to be better about using even if its tan lotion with some SPF 16:01 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 16:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zinc.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 16:02 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:03 K2: In-game dictionary entry for shambling horror attacks has changed over the course of my current game -- is this intended behavior? I've seen a horror but immediately retreated so my only knowledge of its abilities comes from the dictionary. Originally it showed engulfing paralysis (hence my retreat) -- but as I am gearing back up to face it I checked the entry again and now it has a different set of attacks listed 16:03 did you encounter any horrors in bones? 16:04 Nope (unless the final level I've explored where I saw the horror is a bones level, if so haven't seen the body yet) 16:05 On another note, I did find a bones level this run with a zombie PC with no equipment -- I suppose it is possible they managed to die naked after dropping all their loot on another level. It was really disappointing (thx tinklebear-Sam-Hum-Mal-Law who died to an orc zombie on Aphrodite's level :-) 16:06 The level had Aphrodite, the zombie NPC, and no loot...not the player's, not the nymph level's 16:06 he often plays nudist 16:08 This game has been aggravating -- no free action, no knock/opening, no MR all the way down to Medusa despite burning through my one poly wand 16:09 hmm 16:09 Trying to decide between blowing my magic lamp on an attempt for free action or MR 16:10 I wish there was a potion of free action that gave you mayb2 15 turns uncursed, 50 turns blessed or something...just one additional crappy pathway, since it is so important 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2197 16:24 rebatela did you have different kinds of shambling horror in your game? 16:25 yep 16:25 ^ K2 16:25 sanctum was different and then it switched back 16:25 if in doubt blame Q3 16:26 rebatela infidel next? 16:26 it may be due to shamblers encountered in a bones level 16:26 hehe maybe 16:26 :b 16:26 which is kinda neat, you get the shambler that player had 16:27 sanctum being different though? 16:27 could be. "neat" is a stretch though... 16:27 hmm 16:28 will need to investigate further 16:28 strange things are afoot at the Circle K 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) consumed animal products (rock gnome) for the first time, on T:3374 16:41 lol 16:41 Attacks: 3d8 butt withering 16:41 butt withering 16:42 My butt is already withered 16:42 Jokes on them 16:42 hahahah 16:43 k2 there does seem to be something wrong with shambling horrors 16:43 when i load a bones file it modifies the shambling horror even if one doesn't exist on the bones level 16:43 or is that intended? 16:44 no that is not intended 16:44 Ah, that may be what happened -- I ascended through a bones level after encountering the horror 16:44 it changed from butt withering plus a host of other attacks to just 'weapon physical' and nothing else 16:44 ooof 16:44 nice find qt 16:45 that sounds like base template 16:46 Yeah, after descending back through the bones level the dictionary entry changed back 16:46 time to pick up mini-me, back soon 16:46 butt withering? is this slex? 16:47 splicehack also has withering 16:47 butt withering, though? 16:47 oh haha 16:48 withering is commonplace and mundane. butt withering is something special 16:54 k2 I don't think it resets to the base template, the bones file I loaded just happened to be a shambling horror with weapon physical as its only attack 16:54 Yeah, mine flop between two distinct sets of non-base attacks when I pass the bones level 16:54 oh jeez krm26 you're right 16:55 I didn't realize it was that bad 16:55 but yeah every time you enter a bones level it will change again to match that shambling horror 16:55 Ugh: The shambling horror pricks the exposed part of your right leg! The shambling horror butts! The shambling horror engulfs you! You are paralyzed! 16:55 so if you have 2 bones levels, it will depend on which one you visited most recently 16:55 i thought it just changed when you initially loaded the bones level, that's even worse 16:55 It is a little weirder, because I think I only have one bones level. When I ascend past it I get one horror, when I descend past it the other 16:56 oh yeah 16:56 Oh no you are right, I spaced out on the second bones level 16:56 Soliciting advice before I take on Thoth Amon 16:56 zap sleep 16:56 no it actually does seem to change outside of the bones level too 16:57 Right -- whatever bones level you saw last, that is the ruling horror 16:57 Yeah, sleep him. Or cancel him 16:57 He paralyzes too I think 16:57 Already have free action ID'd 16:57 Sleep and cancel wands at the ready 16:57 pretty much the same as vanilla 16:58 Well, if you're sure 16:58 I think if you cancel him straightaway he will be pretty simple 16:59 Ugh, I miss unicorn horns unwithering 17:00 This shambling's wither looks like it will actually kill me if I don't quaff 17:00 Hah, only took 70 health, phew 17:01 i think shambling horror gets loaded when a level is loaded from disk even when it's not a bones level 17:02 so if you enter a bones level, that changes the shambling horror (because it's loaded from the bones file). but if you go back up to the previous level, which was saved to disk when you exited it, that restores the old pre-bones shambling horror 17:03 this is wacky 17:04 https://0x0.st/-WjA.mp4 17:09 Ok, so I have two bones on levels X and Y. From 1-(X-1) I have type A; from X to (Y-1) I have type B; from Y on I have type C. 17:10 That is weird, because if it was (update on loading bones file) it would be different if I was ascending or descending, and it isn't 17:13 I unironically miss having Trollsbane. 17:13 The amount of times I've had to drop these fucks 17:13 Eat 'em! 17:14 With a little hot mustard, mmm 17:15 Yeah, just eat 10 troll corpses back to back and have them keep reviving mid meal 17:15 won't have any satiation problems 17:15 krm26: it loads from normal level files too 17:15 Unbreathing! Tinning! 17:15 the part where it matters what level you have visited most recently is when generating a new level 17:16 Ah, so you are saying when the level is generated is when it sets it. If I'd visited the levels in a different order I would have a different pattern 17:16 yeah exactly 17:16 I have neither 17:16 So I want to go back to the shitty nothing shambling horror and then teleport down to the castle to get easy horrors in Gehennom 17:16 exactly 17:16 I mean I have magical breathing but that means not having reflection 17:16 Oh I am so doing that, fuck you paralyzing horrors 17:16 You only need breathing while you are eating trolls 17:17 I've had wands of death and polymorph shot at me a non-zero amount of times, I am not getting snuck while stuffing myself 17:17 (wore polycontrol specifically to preempt the latter) 17:18 Drown them? Burn them? Lock them in boxes? 17:19 Tame them! 17:20 Maybe shambling horrors should shuffle their shamble like that every X turns 17:20 I've alternated between burial and drowning 17:20 Shambling horrors should "level up" an ability every time you kill one 17:20 I'm trying to prep for Thoth Amon but this last floor was excessively hectic 17:20 Ooo I like that krm26 17:21 K2: Rank the shambling horror abilities. Every time you kill one, replace the shittiest ability with a random harder ability :-) 17:21 Now we are doomed 17:21 I think that one shambling horror ability should be a "gate shambling horror" thing like the demon gating 17:21 Also, they need to sometimes get the pudding-split ability 17:22 Alright, bring it Twinklefingers 17:23 BLAH, 6 potential portal vaults and no Ludios 17:23 ... 17:23 So I just vaporized the ring. 17:23 Uh oh 17:24 Apparently that was a possibility absolutely no one warned me about. 17:24 Thanks. 17:24 Fuck this. 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:47198 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47200 17:24 qt: I remember raising this concern a while back 17:24 Rings are super-delicate in evilhack now. Even if you fooproof vulnerable rings they still get dusted all the time 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2341 points, T:2523, killed by a raven 17:25 any new horrors generated on a bones level will be the bones version of the horror, even though they didn't exist in the bones game 17:25 I lose so many free action -- it makes chaotic characters even more amazing, with the Ring of P'hul that can't be destroyed 17:25 aosdict: it's very weird, I knew they were loaded from bones but I didn't know they were saved to disk along with normal level files too 17:25 My non-chaotic ascension candidates always have backup free actions 17:26 Wouldn't you know it, I just vaporized any desire I had to continue as well. 17:26 Actually about to quit. 17:26 I would have thought shambling horror abilities would just be hashed from the game's seed 17:26 for sure. I lost all my rings except the artifact one on my run up with amulet 17:26 No Umbire! Don't quit 17:26 Losing a ring is just a mark of honor 17:26 You can replace it 17:26 Losing a ring to the first fucking axe swing you took? 17:27 Horseshit. 17:27 that's the thing. there are so many spares. just save them all and you can always polypile for whatever 17:27 Think of how much more rewarding your inevitable victory will be 17:27 """inevitable""" 17:27 Please stop trying to cheer me up. 17:27 lol 17:27 I guess I could talk a little about our irreversible climate apocalypse 17:28 i don't understand what happened. an axe can destroy a ring? 17:28 Thoth blows up ger 17:28 gear 17:28 An axe of lightning, yes. 17:28 oh i see 17:28 oh yeah. that happens 17:28 Yeah, Dispater did that to me with his lighting rod 17:28 And that includes artifact rings. 17:28 He massively de-ringed me 17:28 On the first fucking swing no less. 17:29 do artifact rings have a super high chance of resisting and Umbire just got super unlucky? 17:29 Yup, the first time I saw Dispater in this version he dusted free action/protection from shape changers immediately 17:29 or does it make no difference 17:29 Artifact rings almost always resist 17:29 "almost always" 17:29 Oh, you lost the Ring of P'hul? Oh NOOOOOO 17:29 "almost always" 17:29 "almost always" 17:29 "almost always" 17:29 "almost always" 17:29 "almost always" 17:29 Ok, *that* is awful 17:29 #quit 17:29 Sorry, I didn't understand 17:29 yeah that's unbelievably unlucky 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu), 236840 points, T:47203, quit 17:30 Fuck this game. 17:30 understandable 17:30 You can still do it! I ascended the game when my Dragonbane got poofed in a core dump and then I got reset while typing in a throne wish :-) 17:30 Awww 17:31 You could have at least left us a wonderful bones in the first few levels 17:31 No. 17:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 17:31 I tried to do that when i didn't get the castle wand but it didn't leave bones 17:31 Well, "evil" is right there in the name, after all 17:32 i blew up the artifact boh the first time I got it lol 17:32 Hope s/he goes and pets her/is cat/dog/abomination 17:32 also had eota destroyed somehow. i get the frustration, but true about the "evil" part being in the name... 17:33 I've never blown up the cool bag, although I have fatfingered a normal bag this year 17:34 My very last run I managed to get my pegasi killed when I was relying on her for flight, then engulfed and spit out into lava, and then accidentally drop my bag 17:34 Which was awesome 17:35 The last thing that made me spitting mad in evilhack was Graz'zt stripping me naked before I knew what was going on 17:35 Graz'zt has earned herself automatic boulder forting from now on, that's for sure 17:36 Graz'zt is male I think? 17:36 idk how you can get so far with ease all the time 17:37 I think it is mostly patience...certainly impatience is usually what kills me 17:37 I got owned by the wizard quest nemesis, brain dead 17:38 That is why I play evilhack instead of vanilla though, it is really iffy if I can ascend in evilhack once I get an ascension kit going, but it is pretty deterministic in vanilla 17:39 I don't think I've ever even made it to Vlad 17:39 furthest I ever got was Vlad and I got roflstomped, that was like a year ago 17:40 before it got harder 17:40 pre-vecna etc 17:40 K2: So after maybe 6 trips to Vecna, I gotta say, you have to change his branch so that no wraiths generated there can raise your level 17:40 He's an auto-level-30 right now 17:40 you can do that with votd (in vanilla) 17:40 And make the Eye of Vecna an automatic drop if your username is krm26 okthx 17:40 what does ring of p'hul do 17:41 Best item in the game 17:41 Ring of freedom artifact, MR 17:41 free action, magic resistnace, disease 17:41 Even better than Dragonbane 17:41 that does sound pretty sweet 17:41 It is first wish material for any chaotic character IMO 17:41 EPI: make it so you can't wish for any quest artifacts 17:41 And honestly, it should probably be immune to destruction 17:41 i can see how umby was frustrated losing it as a giant especially 17:42 EPI part 2: make dragonbane a quest artifact 17:42 it's not like you can just wear a cloak of mr or dsm 17:42 but giants are supposed to be challegning (i think?) 17:42 how many artifacts can be instantly destroyed in that way 17:42 Even in evilhack I'm not sure there is a reason to permit artifact destruction from lightning 17:42 hmm 17:43 can dragonbane be instantly destroyed by the destroy armor spell? 17:43 i didnt think artifact ring was subject to shock damage 17:43 It would need to be deteriorated first 17:43 qt: the mitre is protected against it 17:43 because quest artifact 17:43 Dragonbane is certainly immune to black dragon disintegration 17:44 quest artifact > regular artifact 17:44 imo 17:44 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 17:44 I think that is reasonable 17:44 watch out for passive attacks on your other gear though. Don't just stand there hacking away at a black dragon with dragonbane (lost my dragonhide speed boots like that) 17:44 ring of p'hul was no intended to be destroyed by shock damage 17:44 *not 17:44 wait if you have the ring of p'hul as your quest artifact does that make the game unwinnable 17:44 if you lose it before returning to the quest leader 17:44 You don't need a quest artifact to win the game 17:44 or does it just mean you have to fight him 17:45 You need the bell 17:45 yeah it wont make the game unwinnable 17:45 i thought the quest leader won't allow it until you bring them the artifact, so they can steal it 17:45 allow you to do the ritual i mean 17:45 if you kill them at that point it unlocks it though 17:45 They purify the bell 17:45 so it doesn't make it unwinnable but it does mean you have to kill them? 17:45 or at any point. yeah 17:46 so what happens if you show up to talk to the quest leader when done and you dont have the quest artifact in inventory 17:46 If they want the artifact and it is destroyed already, yeah, you gotta kill them 17:46 did i forget that? 17:46 it probably still asks and you just don't have it and have to fight? 17:46 should see to make sure 17:46 poor umbire 17:47 gets ring, first hit from lightning weapon, poof gone 17:47 at least he didnt lose it like JarlEarl 17:47 he's watched us all suffer for a while lol. that's bad luck tho 17:47 hahaha i remember that 17:47 i did see a 'fuck this game' 17:47 yeah it was very jarlearl'esque. just no keyboard smash 17:47 i've said that about vanilla nethack a couple times over the years 17:49 looks like i have a bit of work to on evilhack tonight 17:49 *to do 17:50 "yEAH -- YOPUY DELIGHHT IN IT.\" 17:50 and K2's reaction... 17:50 i think it was something like 'no really, tell me how you really feel' 17:50 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3166 17:50 yup :-) 17:51 :) 17:51 classic 17:51 lol 17:51 and we never saw him again 17:51 'let it out' 17:52 what I delight in, is seeing players overcome adversity and still winning 17:52 don't - give - up 17:52 never give up 17:52 If you don't have the quest artifact in inventory they behave as if you haven't finished the quest 17:52 I threw my quest artifact past them a couple times to put off fighting them 17:54 you want that artifact? whoops! catch it if you can! 17:54 heh 17:54 Look over there! *tosses artifact over their other shoulder* 17:54 haha! 17:54 lol 17:54 squirrel! 17:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:02 what would be really funny is if pelias demanded the ring back, one said no and he got mad, and swung his weapon of lightning at you... 18:04 K2: if you don't bring back the quest artifact the quest leader just keeps repeating the generic "good luck" messages until you do 18:04 oh geez 18:04 qt ok 18:04 and that should be fine 18:04 quest is still not complete 18:06 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had a steel dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:20118 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 73457 points, T:21372, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while paralyzed by a monster 18:54 Cubes are the worst 18:55 damn them 18:56 damn them to heck 18:56 K2, ever considered underlining monsters who are riding something? 18:56 no? they are highlighted 18:56 There is a bug btw where sometimes mounts are invisible after you kill their rider 18:56 plus in other variants, underlined monsters are considered friendly 18:56 Has happened to me in my last trhee games 18:56 Saving and reloading fixes it 18:56 last 3 recent games? 18:57 Well, today, and then a few days ago, and then like several weeks before that 18:57 ok 18:57 I guess I'm not certain on first occurence 18:57 we fixed a few bugs a couple weeks ago concerning monster steeds 18:57 Definitely live version though 18:57 guess there's still at least one 18:57 invis mount after rider is killed - check 18:58 I forgot about underlined friendlies... if there is a current highlight I don't see it 18:58 gdammit 18:58 Stroll up to that goblin and have its black dragon mount beat on me, happens a lot in throne rooms 18:58 what? if a monster is riding something, the rider is highlighted 18:58 if the rider is invis, you see the highlighted mount instead 18:59 Hmm, I guess the highlight must be too subtle for me. You mean a color shift? 18:59 yes 18:59 inverse color 18:59 black monsters are an exception 18:59 Oh no, riders are not inverted color, not for me 18:59 as their highlight, they look the same 18:59 maybe you should share a screenshot 19:00 I' 19:00 I'll pay attention next time 19:00 Will do 19:00 I finally got the Eye, btw, and it is amazeballs 19:00 Wish it dropped more often, I'm at under 20% 19:01 heh 19:01 its 50/50 19:01 Guess it isn't you, it's me 19:01 There should be a consolation body part, like the Hand of Vecna 19:02 (flesh (or plastic I guess) aklys maybe :-) 19:02 so you understand what I see (and expect others to see) 19:02 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2595/source 19:02 Yup, I don't get that highlight 19:02 it looks like that for me K2 19:03 two goblins, a goblin-captain riding a warg (white highlight) and a goblin outrider riding a wolf (light blue) 19:03 krm26: how does it look for you? Just normal monster color? 19:03 then you got some weird terminal settings going on then maybe 19:03 I'll find some more riders at the castle probably -- unfortunately you haven't seen fit to give me Ludios this game :-( 19:03 Yup, just normal monsters 19:03 Back later, time to cart the girl to tkd 19:03 heh 19:04 do other inverse color effects show up? 19:04 ^ that's me and gymnastics 19:04 i'd like to get mini-me into karate or jujitsu tho 19:04 like if you set menu_headings to 'inverse' does it actually look... inverted? 19:05 K2: i pity the poor adventurers once the ice queen learns karate on top of her current range of skills 19:05 wouldn that be something? 19:06 you start getting martial arts attack messages 19:07 Kathryn the bad ass wizard monk 19:07 OR she challenges you to a game of Uno 19:07 outcome the same - you are destroyed 19:07 she's getting good at Clue also 19:11 oh k2 actually i screwed up a monster riding thing... 19:12 oh? 19:13 there's a line in mount_up(steed.c) 'if (!mon_can_ride(rider) && !has_erid(rider))' -- should be 'if (!mon_can_ride(rider) || has_erid(rider))' 19:13 ah 19:13 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1132 points, T:2767, killed by a steel arrow, while sleeping 19:13 welp... I still love you 19:13 no matter what 19:14 so does Hecubus 19:14 that could be the cause of krm's problem in theory... it can lead to a monster riding two creatures at once basically lol 19:14 oh geez lol 19:14 fun bugs are fun 19:17 though if it has been happening for weeks it must be a different problem 19:18 perhaps but he made it sound recent 19:20 I think he said it happened a few weeks ago the first time 19:20 its the booze 19:28 hmm i found another weird riding bug as well 19:29 sometimes if I save the game right after a monster climbs onto a steed, then reload, the steed will be the one shown on the map instead of the rider 19:29 https://0x0.st/-Wet.png like this 19:30 huh 19:31 qt: if you attack it, do you attack the rider, or the steed? 19:31 you attack the steed 19:32 that makes sense, then. the rider must be getting "under" the steed, then goes on top of it a turn later or something. 19:32 what's weird is that before saving, the rider shows up as expected 19:32 the pony only becomes the one 'on top' after saving/restoring 19:34 i'm guessing the problem is that place_monster is being called on the steed instead of the rider when restoring the save, but I'm not sure why that would happen... 19:35 oh, and once the steed and rider move it fixes itself 19:36 ah, curious. still it skund 19:36 it *sounds* like there is an obvious spot to check in the code. 19:59 oh, I think I figured it out. 20:00 I'm surprised this wasn't noticed before honestly, it seems like it should happen pretty frequently. but I guess since it resets itself once the steed moves... 20:02 basically it looks like it permits a rider to be placed 'on top of' a steed, or a steed to be placed 'on top of' a rider. so if the steed comes after the rider in level.monlist it will end up being the one on the map when you load the save/enter the level 20:09 figured it would be some list ordering thing 20:13 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:19 nice find qt 20:23 K2: Mine is 11 and does TKD, gymnastics, and aerial silks with such dedication that after 5 years she's progressed nearly as far as other girls who started just before COVID :-) 20:24 https://termbin.com/1o8as -- i would think you can just skip monster steeds when placing things on the map like this, but idk if there's some more subtle problem that might cause... 20:24 Invisible mount bug, I know for sure it happened today and last week. I *think* it happened about a month ago too but am less certain (my time sense is shot, I am olllddd) 20:25 krm26: I think the problem I was describing would basically appear like this: you kill a rider, then you kill its steed, but there's a second, invisible steed that keeps attacking you after that 20:26 if the rider seemingly only has one steed, but that steed is invisible, it may be a different issue 20:26 still need to remember to address this too: ' there's a line in mount_up(steed.c) 'if (!mon_can_ride(rider) && !has_erid(rider))' -- should be 'if (!mon_can_ride(rider) || has_erid(rider))'' 20:26 ^ note to self 20:27 qt: Menu headings indeed inverted 20:27 qt: That may be, it could have definitely been a double steed 20:27 Will be laser focused on my next mounted adventure to be sure of the details 20:28 krm26 that's great (your kid) 20:28 k2 I can wrap all the changes I mentioned tonight into one diff 20:28 cool 20:29 wasn't krm26 making a joke? that in 5 years, his daughter made nearly as much progress as other kids did in about a year? 20:29 I gotta say, it is so relaxing to use a piece of software and whine about problems and then someone ELSE does the code 20:29 Yeah, I was slamming my poor daughter 20:29 I'm a bad father 20:29 antigulp will want to see these fixes when she's online next. assuming she hasnt completely removed monster steeds from splicehack during her complete revamp 20:30 hah i read that wrong 20:30 i thought he was saying she had progressed faster than before covid 20:30 My daughter only cares about putting extra time into Minecraft 20:30 hey, its not a race 20:30 as long as she's having fun and making progress, great 20:30 (Actually, she has played evilhack a few times too) 20:31 nice 20:31 K2: https://termbin.com/vl8k 20:31 krm26: that sounds like child abuse, making your poor daughter play evilhack 20:32 She realized the game I play has pets and got interested 20:32 qt thanks 20:40 krm26: so when does she implement evilhack in minecraft 20:40 minecraft port WHEN 20:42 I've tried having her dip her toe in some programming without success... I've at least tricked her into liking algebra and trig this year, so I'll try again next year 20:43 Dad has the lame job anyway, she much prefers mom (exotics vet) 20:44 exotics vet!? 20:45 Yeah -- you know, rhinos, gorillas, sharks, centipedes, cranes, etc. 20:45 wow 20:45 that's a cool job 20:45 Yeah, that's why none of our friends know what I do :-) 20:46 It never comes up 20:46 we're... we're not your friends? 20:46 :'( 20:46 Well, what do I do? 20:46 well, to be fair I don't know what krm26 does 20:46 "die in evilhack" is the answer 20:47 krm26 does programming/software engineering of some sort 20:47 "I gotta say, it is so relaxing to use a piece of software and whine about problems and then someone ELSE does the code" 20:47 There should be a realtime ascension race each year called evilhacklive 20:47 Damn aosdict you got me 20:47 wow, holmesian deduction skills 20:48 Wtf, Medusa isn't immune to sleep or death? I just assumed 20:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:49334 20:52 K2: Late game cross-aligned NPCs should have a chance of showing up with their quest artifact if it doesn't exist in the game already (I mean, only cross-aligned artifacts, so they can only be used against the player) 20:53 that's a nasty idea 20:53 especially since it would hurt your artifact wishing/sacrifice chances 20:56 Yup (although most people won't have waited until late game for that) 20:58 i could see that on astral 20:58 or even the planes 20:58 but not before 20:58 NPCs on astral should have most of their equipment burnt or rusted from coming through the elemental planes :-) 21:00 it would be funny if a very small % of mplayers on astral were conduct players. like every so often there's a nudist or someone wearing a blindfold or something 21:00 hahah 21:00 Ned the Pacifist 21:00 Hmm, just fought an NPC wearing water walking boots who refused to walk on water on the Medusa level 21:00 with an army of woollymammoths and vorpal jabberwocks 21:00 sounds great 21:00 qt: Great idea 21:02 alright, putting the kiddo to bed, then will do qt's patch and other stuff 21:02 krm26: i think water walking isn't implemented for monsters 21:02 need to address quest artifacts and shock damage 21:02 qt it is 21:03 but i believe the logic is: if there's a dry patch they can use, they'll use it 21:03 otherwise pretend we're jesus 21:03 hmm I just tried it in wizmode and couldn't get a monster to cross a moat 21:03 really 21:03 i tried it with them tame and with them attacking me 21:04 they were on one side, I was on the other 21:04 but they just sat there pacing back and forth 21:04 i wonder if i broke something 21:04 probably 21:04 ok brb 21:04 maybe he was screwing up his resolve to walk on the water 21:04 I can do this.... I can do this... the boots will work... 21:05 NPCs should prefer being over water, because it complicates looting them 21:06 night all 21:06 -!- qt has quit [Quit: goodnight] 21:13 gnite qt 21:30 Can illithids eat humans or is that still canabilism as that's the host? 21:34 > │You are caught in the burning oil! Your cloak smoulders! The burning oil is fatal. 21:34 Well, that was a quick game. 21:36 illithid != human 21:36 not cannibalism 21:51 Awesome. 21:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 429 points, T:993, caught herself in her own burning oil 21:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:50059 21:52 Nice 21:59 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 21:59 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 31 points, T:40, killed by a crossbow bolt 22:01 woo 22:14 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17 i've had this monster hit me probably 1000 times with a of lightning 22:17 all my other rings and wands finally exploded 22:17 ring of p'hul is still there 22:19 !lastgame Umbire 22:19 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Umbire/evilhack/dumplog/1621271312.evil.html 22:19 ooooh 22:19 Thoth Amon still had it 22:19 it was in a monsters inventory, not the players 22:20 daaaamn 22:24 artifacts are off limits in destroy_item 22:24 if Umbire had just gotten the ring into his inventory first.... 22:24 ok so i'm not crazy 22:26 I'm tossing up between illithid wizard again and monk. But problem with monk in particular is the armour. 22:26 I'm just not sure how I would kill Baph as a monk with the armour as it is, Baph just hits too hard. 22:27 paralyze him 22:27 I really should use that technique: wield a potion of paralysis. 22:28 Does that work on Orcus, too? 22:28 yup it can 22:28 the number of turns any monster is paralyzed is widely variable though is the thing 22:28 1-25 turns 22:28 ^ vanilla 22:28 If it's just 4 turns, that'd be sufficient. Less than that would be a problem. 22:29 also remember that demons are susceptible to cold, learn cone of cold 22:29 Maybe I should try Centaurian monk again. That's an awesome combination. 22:29 K2: Oooh! Great tip! 22:29 and/or grab a set of silver gauntlets of power 22:30 Yeah, chaotic centaur monk was a fun ascension 22:30 K2: Silver? I usually go for stone GoP or dragonbane, as neither hinder spellcasting. 22:31 Need some silver horseshoes to nail on 22:31 right, but you could switch them out for demons 22:31 fair point. how can i avoid getting cancelled all the time? 22:31 and having a robe plus high int/wis, you'll still be able to cast most spells reliably 22:31 centuarian, though... 22:32 just a couple suggestions. there are other starts to use 22:32 strats 22:32 It is evilhack, you just gotta get used to getting canceled 22:32 krm26: horseshoes would be awesome. 22:32 i've thought about it 22:32 krm26: yeah, but it means armour is a problem for the monks. then again, evil monks is even more awesome. 22:32 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:33 Centaur monk more than makes up for the armor loss I think -- innate jumping is incredible 22:33 oof when i did this - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/18d071a8247421b5094a7376dba7bd1585f42324 - I neglected destroy_mitem() 22:33 K2: as an alternative to horseshoes, perhaps a centuarian monk could wear a shield? 22:33 well they can wear a shield 22:33 krm26: indeed! 22:33 As well as any crazy monk can 22:33 ok then :) 22:34 honestly, a centaurs kick should be more powerful than any other race 22:34 agreed. 22:34 hmm... brb 22:34 Could have (material) horseshoes for centaurs -- only effect being the material properties 22:34 mithril, iron, silver 22:35 Do human monks wearing silver boots get material kicks on demons? 22:35 i believe so, yes. 22:35 Centaurs should use be able to reverse-mount a humanoid pet on their backs :-) 22:36 Give your pet archon a ride 22:37 Ok, I forget -- can thrones dust wands now in evilhack? 22:42 Reverse-mounting a pet feels weird. 22:44 Damn, where is a zombie when you need your brain eaten to lose some skills 22:56 what? 22:56 why would you want that? 23:16 I guess it's just not worth enchanting armour. 23:16 I need a skill slot for my brand new Grayswandir 23:17 It is worth enchanting armor -- just spread it out to minimize cancel damage and keep getting more scrolls 23:17 I just lost all the enchantments on both my dual weapons to a wraith with a wand of cancelation :-P 23:17 Rendering me incapable of damaging the spectres beating on me 23:17 Gotta love it 23:17 Thing is I seem to get cancelled a *lot*, so usually everything looses enchantment. 23:18 Yup, gotta try to minimize it 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "greased blessed dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance", on T:52379 23:19 Yeah, I guess I'm asking "how to minimise it" ;) 23:20 Once you find something with a wand kill it with extreme prejudice, don't ever let it get an angle to shoot you; Take out the most extreme cancellation casters (like arch-liches) using scare monster 23:20 Make sure you have MC3 at all times 23:21 I'm not sure I had MC3, that could be it. 23:21 Use fear or blinding to disrupt casters if that is all you've got 23:21 Well, MC3 doesn't stop it, but it does help 23:21 Usually it's Alhoons and L's and the like - or NPC's that turn out to have GDSM or something. 23:22 Never melee a gray dragon or NPC in gray mail 23:22 Hmm. Fear stops them casting? 23:22 Fear minimizes casting 23:22 Always use ranged/spells on cancel-on-strike monsters 23:22 I actually genocide gray dragons quite frequently 23:23 Hmm, sensible. 23:23 Much more than disenchanters 23:23 SO many things to genocide in evilhack :-) 23:24 Green slime, electric eels, demiliches and arch-liches, gray dragons and disenchanters, alhoons 23:24 If only the game would let me genocide shocking spheres, alas 23:24 They are the WORST, never see em coming and then time to get a backup ring of free action 23:25 :) 23:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:52393 23:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide boots of speed", on T:52400 23:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased magic mirror of merlin", on T:52540 23:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased magic mirror of merlin", on T:52541 23:35 Mmm, bonus, the NPC will kill me with Excalibur 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible King Arthur, on T:52546 23:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2602 23:47 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3785 23:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Cen Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:1939 23:59 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving]