00:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:10820 01:26 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Val Gia Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:6330 01:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:19443 02:28 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:39 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8004 points, T:6428, quit 02:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:19 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 50 points, T:119, killed by a water demon 03:19 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 16 points, T:4, killed by a falling rock 03:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 610 points, T:1118, killed by a pony, while reading a book 03:34 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 288 points, T:1308, killed by Mr. Gweebarra; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 03:36 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4010 04:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 15362 points, T:8958, killed by a tiger 05:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 15 arrows on an altar, on T:4175 07:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:22795 07:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:16278 07:25 FOUR sacks in the very early game! This RNG.... 07:29 so many game i basically make it to the castle without one 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7010 08:17 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:22 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±8] https://git.io/Jc1Ot 08:22 [EvilHack] k21971 8195feb - Warn player if their withering effect speeds up. 08:22 [EvilHack] k21971 24c5d0b - Fix: dungeon features falling into chasms (earthquake). 08:22 [EvilHack] k21971 76ff949 - Follow up to last commit (earthquake). 08:22 [EvilHack] k21971 704d252 - Code formatting clean up (colored flashes dropping container on an altar). 08:24 qt i could use your help on a small issue when you have time 08:24 minor 08:25 sure 08:25 what's up? 08:25 08:26 <(...) 08:26 I've had multiple requests for objects to merge in containers when you drop said container on an altar and its BUC status becomes known, they'll merge with like items whose BUC is already known. makes sense 08:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:27 xnethack has this but its implementation is kinda nuts. it will merge objects of unknown status with like objects of known status in all cases, no matter what 08:27 giant freebie, dont like it 08:28 there are other variants which do it too 08:28 dnh, fourk, 08:28 trying to figure out how to do this for just objects BUC status discovered in a container when dropped on an altar 08:28 if looking for inspiration 08:28 dnh does that? 08:29 anyways, I tried a few things yesterday, couldnt get it to work as i wanted 08:29 yeah it takes it from NH4 apparently 08:29 hmm i looked at nh4 08:30 then in december or so, after Demo complained about things not merging 08:30 there's the conmmit that does the colored flashes 08:30 i didnt see the one that merges objects 08:30 29d4f03d 08:30 are you serious lol 08:30 that's the dnh one 08:30 idk if NH4 merges or not 08:30 nice 08:30 ah 08:31 fourk does though I think? honestly didn't pay much attention during my fourk junethack game lol 08:31 thanks amateurhour 08:32 is that really the best way to do it? remove each item from the container and re-add it? 08:33 can't you just loop through the container calling merged without any other side-effects associated with obj_extract_self and add_to_container 08:33 or is that basically all add_to_container does in the first place 08:33 K2: it's not a giant freebie it's a qol feature 08:33 disagree 08:33 big - giant - freebie 08:34 it's just tedious to have items of unknown buc not stack 08:34 cough daggers cough 08:34 when the withering effect speeds up?!? wtf 08:34 it works well with the removal of ID spell I think 08:35 in-game, the justification is that these things stack together when known, so why should they not based only on the hero not knowing them? 08:35 "remove each item from the container and re-add it" that's pretty much what I do manually now 08:36 also, rknown is very annoying. if you have some known uncursed +0 daggers but you don't know erosionproofing status, too bad they don't stack with the one you read an id scroll on 08:36 aosdict, xnh allows the player to pickup all sorts of objects of unknown BUC, all you need is one obj in inventory that has a matching known status and boom, you know it. no altar or id spell necessary 08:36 easyhack 08:37 that reminds me of tinklebear 08:37 that actually annoyed me during my last xnh game 08:37 felt like i was cheating 08:37 felt... dirty 08:38 but hey you know me, i like being punished 08:38 tinklebear uses some kind of naming system that allows him to avoid altars for BUC testing 08:38 sounds tedious af 08:38 lol 08:38 shame he's not here :-) 08:39 hey K2 add a config option to start the game punished 08:39 :) 08:39 conducts amateurhour, I thought you would approve ;-) 08:39 hah 08:40 amateurhour its called convict role :P 08:40 K2 I would do it this way personally but maybe the dnh way ends up being basically the same thing https://termbin.com/heoq 08:41 oh I guess you should also add the && !otmp->bknown that dnh does 08:41 cool 08:43 like that I guess https://termbin.com/p1h0 08:43 criticism aside aosdict, i prob saw the best compliment to xnethack ever the other day 08:43 raisse said something about it, stuck out 08:43 i dont recall the exact wording, but for her to compliement a variant like that... big deal 08:44 qt thanks i will give that a whirl 08:44 K2: apparently not in #hardfought 08:45 it was in teamsplat channel 08:45 well if it is not breaching any trust I would like to know what the best compliment ever is 08:46 looking 08:46 raisse I've taken a great liking to xnethack and I'm now playing it instead of finishing my 3.7 game. 08:46 this? 08:46 since when is qt in team splat 08:47 there was quite a lot of praise from raisse, praisse if you will 08:47 something like 'xnethack is like the perfect vanilla' 08:47 basically they're loving it 08:48 [07:36] until now I've been playing xnh as the vanilla I've been dreaming of 08:48 [07:36] it doesn't feel like a variant 08:48 there's more context but that's the gist of it. that's what she said that stuck out 08:48 coming from raisse? that's huge 08:48 don't get a big head aosdict I'm sure it's mostly the hawaiian shirts 08:49 ^ that 08:50 lol 08:51 * aosdict sullenly quaffs a potion of head reduction 08:52 i really enjoyed my junethack xnh game and will definitely play again 08:52 yes but evilhack has captured your heart 08:53 the new arc revamp was fun 08:53 wa sthe hardest part of the game 09:12 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:17 silly question: can the riders displace long worms? 09:20 -!- qt_ has joined #evilhack 09:20 ugh my internet has been crapping out every 5 min 09:20 -!- qt has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by qt_))] 09:20 -!- qt_ is now known as qt 09:28 K2: I wonder if raisse will continue to feel like it's not a variant with the addition of the few monsters planned for 7.0 09:29 nothing big or super important, and I imagine if obj materials and DSM changes don't make it feel like a variant then a couple monsters probably won't, but you never know 09:48 what monsters did you have in mind? 10:14 black mold (functionally the same as gray fungus from evil) and phoenix from splice 10:26 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27 nice 10:30 will phoenix be verbatim, or will you put your own spin on it? 10:32 "You find Carl the High Priest posing as a statue." 10:33 rofl 10:33 CARL 10:35 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 10:36 lol 10:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41 not verbatim the same as in splice 10:42 probably fairly close though 10:43 what are phoenices like in splicehack? 10:43 do they infinitely revive? 10:46 there are no phoenicians in splicehack 10:47 ah good job I didn't ask about them then :P 10:49 when phoenixes die in spl they explode and leave behind a phoenix egg 10:50 that's really nice 10:50 that's pretty neat if you're male 10:56 "You snatch the bullwhip!" hehe thx Amy :b 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Novice, on T:2296 11:27 yay, love it when our dhcp server decides it no longer wants to dole out new ip's 11:27 easy fix but still... bleh 11:29 maybe you're not paying them enough to care 11:30 we dont outsource those services 11:30 maybe they're not making enough in tips 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1749 points, T:2501, killed by a giant bat, while unconscious from rotten food 11:47 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/Jc1HU 11:47 [EvilHack] k21971 6bc5a0c - Merge known BUC status objects in container dropped onto an altar. 11:58 more big good for less sad \o/ 12:01 yay 12:28 -!- j0hnny has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:36 he could have even more big good for less sad by adopting xnh merge rules 12:36 but NO 12:38 something something easybabyhack 12:38 this is great by itself though for real 12:43 -!- j0hnny has joined #evilhack 12:53 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 13:02 yeah 13:16 I don't think NH4 needs to merge stacks when you see the colored flashes, because they would have already been merged when inserted into the container. 13:17 I'm not very observant, so when playing fourk I just noticed it didn't have the problem 13:18 IIRC, the reasoning behind merging bknown and non-bknown stacks, was that otherwise there are categories of items the user will want to _remove_ from their bag before dropping the bag on the altar, so they don't get buc-identified, so their stacks will continue to merge. 13:21 Virtually all gems, for example. And daggers. And arrows. 13:22 Thus the colored flashes, a feature intended to be convenient, becomes a source of inconvenience. 13:24 ^^^ 13:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:47 why don't (some? many?) people want to BUC-identify "virtually all gems, for example. And daggers. And arrows."? 13:50 for instance, imagine dropping gems on an altar along with the rest of your stuff (no bag) 13:50 you continue to explore the mines, finding more gems, but they annoyingly don't stack with the known uncursed ones 13:51 if you implement bag colored flashes but don't relax merging rules this issue persists inside your bag 13:51 perhaps more relevant for the weapons 13:52 I want to just have one stack of +0 daggers to multishoot but instead I have 2 stacks of 3 that won't merge until I can haul them to an altar, and then any more +0 daggers I find won't merge either 13:53 "daggers" you mean? if you know they are +0 they are already BUC-identified. 13:55 no, I mean unidentified +0 daggers, the most common type to want to pick up and, later, enchant 13:56 I don't get it 13:56 how can you have unidentified +0 daggers 13:56 the +0 is unidentified too 13:56 but that's what they are 13:56 oh you just assume they are +0 13:57 daggers that are in fact +0 but the hero doesn't know for sure because they just found it on the ground 13:57 right, I see 13:58 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:03 thx for explaining! It has never bothered me personally, but I can see why now 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Val Gia Fem Law), 30159 points, T:11533, killed by a gnoll hunter, while praying 14:07 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 147 points, T:906, killed by a kobold, while unconscious from rotten food 14:17 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4684 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5249 14:27 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:27221 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 12690 points, T:7937, killed by a bolt of lightning 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible mung's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:26498 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 725 points, T:3242, killed by a giant spider 15:21 Found the VS, but I'll need to do some grinding before I go on the run... 15:31 -!- j0hnny has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:47 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8883 15:47 -!- Guest8883 has quit [Killed (osmium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 15:47 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:47 -!- j0hnny has joined #evilhack 16:17 k2 when are you going to fix #61, the people demand to know 16:18 is it in vanilla too? 16:19 #61? 16:19 HUGE open issue in evilhack that makes it literally unplayable 16:19 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/issues/61 16:20 the reporter wrote a really great issue really 16:20 :) 16:20 was waiting to see if the author of 61 would reply to your post qt 16:21 and wouldnt this be a vanilla bug? i didnt mess around in invent.c 16:23 vanilla already fixed it 16:23 nice 16:24 I think they did the same thing I described in my comment, because the current code looks like that (i.e. doesn't have the if (oc_of_sym == COIN_CLASS...' part any more) 16:25 this looks like the vanilla commit ada5ffd627 16:26 so pretty much the same thing, plus some formatting stuff 16:26 cool 16:26 i can do the thing to the stuff 16:27 and close the infamous issue #61 16:27 hawaiia shirts demand it 16:27 +n 16:28 the issue that has dogged you for what feels like an eternity 16:31 I... I cant go on 16:31 but... SPOCK 16:31 i'll close it tonight 16:31 bout to leave work 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a freezing sphere, on T:7140 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed sack containing 23 items on an altar, on T:7490 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Gia Fem Cha), 2211 points, T:1105, killed by a rabid rat 17:19 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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