00:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] cccrow (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 369 points, T:925, killed by a giant bat
00:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] cccrow (Val Hum Fem Law), 365 points, T:1113, killed by a boulder
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04:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 1112 points, T:3250, zombified by an orc zombie
04:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a cave spider corpse on an altar of Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3095
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05:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) had a silver broadsword entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:6471
05:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) had a bone-carved staff entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:15023
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06:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) destroyed VeryWiseFrog's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:4869
06:47 <VaderFLAG> monk addict
06:47 <amateurhour> you called?
06:48 <rebatela> congrats on the ascension, vaderflag!
06:48 <VaderFLAG> \o/
06:48 <VaderFLAG> Wasn't sure I'd finish before the deadline
06:50 <amateurhour> nailed it
06:53 <VaderFLAG> played 21 games this junethack, feels like both a lot more and a lot less than that
06:53 <amateurhour> I know the feeling
06:54 * Umbire punches amateurhour 
06:55 <Umbire> also relevant to the discussion I have an Un monk that may be promising
06:55 <Umbire> provided I can find him a bafg
06:55 <Umbire> bag* even
07:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a lesser nightmare, on T:18205
07:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Aphrodite, on T:18211
07:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:48753
08:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:27642
08:41 <mobileuser> \o/
08:42 <mobileuser> amazingly I remembered to hold a long sword this time
08:49 <K2> yay
08:50 <K2> i forgot to do that during my giant samurai game
08:50 <K2> excalibur > snickersnee
08:50 <amateurhour> hey how come theres snickersnee and not marsbarnee
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09:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 486 points, T:1262, killed by a flint stone
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09:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a magical dog eared spellbook given to her by Anhur, on T:43246
09:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Mars, on T:50768
10:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:43895
10:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1759
10:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed sluggoman's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2455
10:41 <lacca[m]> tinklebear, do you have something in common with tinklebees and tinklebest?)
10:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:47680
10:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47681
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11:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3250
11:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:51338
11:41 <tinklebear> hi, lacca[m]. no, those accounts are clearly very good players!
11:42 <tinklebear> are/belong to/whatever
11:43 <tinklebear> so I'm certain that any apparent similarities are coincidental
11:44 <lacca[m]> Another mystery:D
11:44 <tinklebear> :D
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11:48 <aosdict> tinklebees - always genocides a
11:49 <aosdict> tinklebest - 60% win rate
11:49 <tinklebear> tinklebest practice gets the goods!
11:49 <tinklebear> lol
11:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 406840 points, T:50604, burned by a fireball, while praying
11:54 <VaderFLAG> !lastgame elron
11:54 <Hecubus> VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1624818917.evil.html
11:56 <tinklebear> rebatela wasn't wrong! Neferet is tuff
11:56 <K2> alright so
11:57 <K2> i knew orcus could hit hard with the wand of orcus, but i didnt quite grasp how much was taken off the top (max hit points) per hit until recently
11:57 <VaderFLAG> It's a lot!!
11:57 <VaderFLAG> :D
11:58 <K2> add to that, he gets 2 weapon attacks per turn
11:58 <K2> and he's a bit faster than normal, so sometimes that quirky extra round sneaks in
11:58 <tinklebear> K2, Orcus should be strong, as should all pit fiends.
11:59 <K2> i agree and he is
11:59 <K2> but i think the amount of max hit points the wand of orcus is taking away per hit may be a bit excessive
11:59 * tinklebear looks things up
12:00 <K2> its using the same formula that Death uses when he uses his touch attack
12:00 * tinklebear sees the changes
12:00 <K2> but Death is slower and has less hp
12:01 <K2> and the wand of orcus is enchanted anywhere from +4 to +7 which adds to *dmgptr
12:03 <VaderFLAG> Ah that explains why some of the time Orcus has seemed nastier, must have gone up against the +7 version
12:04 <amateurhour> good that you played your own variant to find out
12:05 <VaderFLAG> It's especially bad against low AC giants
12:05 * tinklebear bites tongue
12:06 <K2> hah
12:06 <VaderFLAG> Right now I'd never engage orcus outside of a boulder fort as any role though, the hp loss is just so important especially if you don't have acid resist
12:07 * tinklebear bites tongue all the way off
12:07 <K2> amateurhour - I do test changes before i make a commit
12:07 <K2> but i agree its not the same as a real world scenario
12:07 <VaderFLAG> tinklebear there's a stream of blood coming out of your mouth are you ok?
12:07 <amateurhour> I know, but sometimes it's hard to gauge stuff without the context of a full game
12:07 <tinklebear> lol, why do you guys let Orcus hit you?
12:07 <K2> yolo
12:08 <K2> so right now I am testing a tweak
12:08 <K2> getting hit with the wand of orcus is still going to make for a bad day, just taking a bit of the edge off
12:08 <K2> going from OMFG to just OMG
12:08 <VaderFLAG> Yeah never let orcus hit you
12:09 <VaderFLAG> But yeah
12:09 <VaderFLAG> yolo
12:09 <tinklebear> simple!
12:09 <VaderFLAG> twoweapon a pair of nice silver weapons, no good ranged weapons, might as well
12:10 <VaderFLAG> my nightmare is Rodney summoning orcus
12:10 <K2> having orcus summon baphomet immediately was not good
12:10 <VaderFLAG> Oh right you always get orcustown still
12:10 <tinklebear> he's smarter than he looks, that Orcus
12:10 <K2> think of baphomet as a demon minotaur with a lightning rod
12:10 <tinklebear> er, Rodey
12:10 <K2> and orcus had cast elec vulnerbility on me
12:11 <K2> i was basically screwed the second orcus appeared hah
12:11 <tinklebear> oof
12:11 <K2> thanks RNG
12:12 <VaderFLAG> giant gnome zombie spawn in soko. What a pain
12:12 <tinklebear> ??
12:13 <VaderFLAG> How am I supposed to push boulders with all these jerks popping up over and over
12:13 <tinklebear> oh, a giant spawn of gnome zombies.
12:13 <amateurhour> do they pick up the boulders?
12:13 <amateurhour> if so...
12:14 <VaderFLAG> right right, the group is giant
12:14 <VaderFLAG> though giant gnomes sounds awesome
12:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a rabid rat, on T:9356
12:25 <K2> a giant gnome would be the size of a human right?
12:28 <tinklebear> would that make a giant dwarf troll-size?
12:28 <tinklebear> also, why do troll corpses weigh significantly less than human ones?
12:33 <tinklebear> looks like even an Olog-hai weighs as much as a naked human carrying a spellbook
12:35 <K2> hmm
12:41 <tinklebear> just skin and bones, like they're nearly starved to death. this could explain why they're always trying to eat you.
12:44 <tinklebear> but umber hulks, xorns are also lighter than humans.
12:47 <tinklebear> maybe humans have a lot of water weight, while these creatures --though relatively large-- are relatively dry
13:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:8941
13:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 6957 points, T:9018, killed by a giant mimic, while sleeping
13:43 <tinklebear> aw shazzbot, VaderFLAG
13:44 <tinklebear> was this a suicide by giant mimic after sokoban disappointment?
13:49 <tinklebear> the coin-flip between bag of holding (do not want) and marker (please x3) behind the tool door is brutal, I think
13:51 <tinklebear> worse than getting hit by Orcus, I say!
13:52 <tinklebear> *strong Orcus
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14:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11734
14:30 <mobileuser> woah 2 dragons on 19 immediately after going down the stairs
14:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:97650
14:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:53016
14:34 <tinklebear> hm. what's this rod thingy do?
14:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:53102
14:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide t-shirt of warning", on T:53108
14:38 <tinklebear> "You have a little trouble lifting F - a cursed rod"
14:38 <tinklebear> "Asmodeus has a glowing rod of pure ruby. It acts as a rod of absorption. It also causes serious wounds on anyone touched by its opaline tip. Upon command it will shoot forth a cone of frost, a jet of acid, or a bolt of lightning [...]. The value of this instrument is [*Dr Evil pinky*] 1,000,000 gold pieces considering the gem qualities only" <-- Monster Manual (1977)
14:39 <tinklebear> sounds kind of dangerous! good thing I didn't let him hit me with it.
14:44 <K2> lol
14:44 <K2> i didnt get that crazy with asmo's weapon
14:44 <tinklebear> heh
14:44 <K2> it just has frost property
14:45 <tinklebear> the rod of frosty owies
14:45 <K2> i have that same monster manual btw
14:45 <K2> physical book
14:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:53419
14:45 <tinklebear> it's a great book!
14:45 <K2> i have all of my 1st edition ad&d books
14:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:53420
14:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:53421
14:45 <tinklebear> some unforgettable pictures
14:46 <K2> amateurhour, your comment on the etherpad - 'unless I'm misreading this mon_xkilled calls xkilled meaning pets that kill peacefuls abuse your alignment'
14:46 <K2> ^ I made a comment to it
14:52 <amateurhour> I don't think mobileuser had summoned any spheres so the mystery of how they'd abused alignment remains :/
14:56 <mobileuser> no sphere summoning
14:57 <mobileuser> it would be cool if artifact wishing worked like dnh :-)
15:00 <mobileuser> I can't find the comment about alignment on the etherpad?
15:02 <mobileuser> Maybe I displaced my pet unto a squeaky board a lot, there is one near my stash
15:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 31271 points, T:14996, killed by a panther
15:26 <mobileuser> I cant't genocide shocking sphere????
15:26 <mobileuser> oh my :') 
15:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:30914
15:29 <amateurhour> uh oh no shocking sphere geno
15:30 <amateurhour> dnh style artiwishing would be cool yeah
15:31 <K2> amateurhour I did discover that if you wish up a quest artifact and kill that quest leader, you take a huge alignment hit just as if you had killed your own quest leader
15:31 <K2> i'll need to address that
15:32 <amateurhour> I pointed that out :P but glad it was confirmed
15:33 <amateurhour> it
15:34 <amateurhour> shouldn't be too bad to guard against I guess
15:34 <amateurhour> at least we know where it'd go
15:36 <K2> yeah i saw the comment on the pad, confirmed it there
15:36 <amateurhour> \o/ go team
15:38 <K2> i wonder if i change the dungeon definition of gehennom from 20,5 to 25,5 will break saves
15:38 <K2> or if not break save, screw up the game somehow
15:40 <amateurhour> I have no idea honestly, never really looked at that stuff
15:40 <amateurhour> seems like the sort of thing aosdict would know offhand
15:41 <K2> hmm... i dont think (20,5) means what you think it means in this context
15:42 <amateurhour> what do you think it means?
15:42 <K2> so take this statement
15:42 <K2> BRANCH:         "The Gnomish Mines" @ (2, 3)
15:43 <K2> 2 means it can/will appear on dlvl 2
15:43 <K2> the 3 means it has a spread of 3
15:43 <amateurhour> ah, is it the length of the branch
15:43 <K2> why the stairs to the mines appear on either dlvl 2, 3, or 4
15:43 <amateurhour> rather than the variation of the start branch
15:43 <K2> so
15:43 <amateurhour> yeah, what does it mean for a DUNGEON statement then?
15:43 <K2> DUNGEON:        "Gehennom" "G" (20, 5)
15:44 <K2> means that dungeon will be 20 levels deep, with a random spread of 5
15:44 <K2> feel free to correct me if i'm wrong
15:44 <amateurhour> ah see I thought it meant it starts on dlvl 20
15:44 <amateurhour> and the dungeons of doom was supposedly up to 25 still
15:45 <amateurhour> my bad then
15:45 <K2> DoD could technically go to 29
15:45 <amateurhour> well shit no idea how pre-castle levels are hellish then :/
15:46 <K2> random spread overlap I think
15:46 <amateurhour> vanilla doesn't have that problem does it?
15:46 <K2> i could have sworn i'd seen that before
15:46 <amateurhour> the levels aren't hellish afaik
15:46 <K2> you'd get a maze after medusa but before castle
15:46 <K2> (vanilla)
15:46 <amateurhour> yeah a maze, but not one marked with the hellish flag afaik
15:47 <K2> hmm
15:48 <aosdict> amateurhour: I have forgotten all things not lua :)
15:49 <aosdict> K2: I got a hellish lava level between medusa and castle with no mazes
15:49 <aosdict> I assumed it was because you did away with mazes
15:50 <amateurhour> but hellish flag means gehennom monsters can be there
15:50 <amateurhour> which is definitely unintended
15:50 <aosdict> ok by "hellish" I meant cavernous with lava rivers
15:50 <aosdict> I wasn't paying attention to the creatures though I think there was a vampire mage
15:51 <aosdict> anyway I don't know this specific piece of info offhand, my guess is that it uses that dungeon structure at the start of the game only and afterwards all the special level locations are fixed, but am not sure
15:51 <K2> i'm kinda ok with it
15:51 <K2> it doesnt always happen
15:51 <K2> hrm
15:52 <K2> plus if you've cleared medusa and are ready for the castle, a hellish level shouldnt be that difficult
15:52 <K2> hrmmmm
15:55 <amateurhour> K2 are you sure that's the length and not the base of it
15:56 <K2> no
15:57 <amateurhour> that variable seems to be called base in the yacc stuff
15:57 <amateurhour> just seeing how it's plumbed through
15:58 <mobileuser> a hellish level can be a real pain if you haven't done the castle yet
16:02 <amateurhour> needs more briancells than I currently have, gonna go grab a cuppa
16:03 <amateurhour> the business appears to be in dungeon.c where it uses the tmpdungeon's rand and base values
16:07 <amateurhour> ah it's probably fine, maybe this is just a waste of time
16:09 <mobileuser> hmmm why did my HP go from 100 to 99
16:10 <mobileuser> K2 can withering cause maximum HP loss?
16:10 <K2> yes
16:11 <mobileuser> urrrmurrguwd :b 
16:12 <mobileuser> evil!
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16:35 <mobileuser> Heh, Dagul attacked the Minion of Huhetotl. The minion teleported away and left the Xiuhcoatl behind :-) 
16:35 <K2> \o/
16:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:32295
16:36 <mobileuser> no speech?? :b 
16:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32298
16:37 <K2> speech
16:37 <mobileuser> because I had blinded myself maybe...
16:37 <mobileuser> to the wiki
16:39 <mobileuser> ah, it's normal for the arc quest
16:39 <mobileuser> no "later gadget, later!" spiel
16:43 <mobileuser> NEXT TIME MOBILEUSER
16:43 <mobileuser> there, speech
16:44 <aosdict> minion of huhetotl is bland and boring
16:44 <aosdict> schliemann is where it's at
16:48 <mobileuser> "atlatl named Xiuhcoatl requires a deft hand" heh
16:49 <mobileuser> need more dex I think
16:50 <mobileuser> schliemann as in the discoverer of Troy?
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17:08 <mobileuser> Xiuhcoatl can be invoked for levitation, nice...
17:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 866 points, T:1590, killed by an orc zombie
17:10 <amateurhour> yeah mobileuser that schliemann
17:10 <amateurhour> xnh has a revised arc quest and that's the name of the nemesis there 
17:11 <mobileuser> interesting!
17:11 <amateurhour> I've only heard good things about the arc quest
17:12 <mobileuser> Itlachiayaque heh
17:12 <mobileuser> I call your Xiuhcoatl and raise you Itlachiayaque!
17:14 <mobileuser> "rival archeologists", that screams NPC
17:16 <mobileuser> oh wow Itlachiayaque is already in 5 variants
17:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 929 points, T:653, killed by a steel arrow
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19:31 <krm26> K2: Don't suppose I could push you for a quick Windows release build of 0.70? I'm on the road and can't do a build myself right now, and I've hit a point in a game where I've gotta do some wiz mode testing before Dispater eats me for lunch. (You've really amped up the demon prince difficulty!)
19:31 <krm26> Or, is there a way to wiz mode on hardfought? Maybe through the rc?
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19:45 <K2> no wizmode on the server
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19:48 <krm26> Hmm, there is probably no wizmode way to unlock a restricted skill either
19:50 <K2> hmm not that I know of
19:53 <krm26> So hear my tale of woe
19:53 <krm26> In the valley, Dispater gets gated in and immediately starts blowing up my rings
19:54 <krm26> I get him to follow me to the castle and dive back down, so I'm safe -- but I've used up all my healing, and demons burnt my last cursed tp
19:55 <krm26> So I'm in the (mostly clear) valley, can't go up, can't go down (definitely can't take cerberus), about half health with no way to heal
19:55 <krm26> I have *uncursed* tp and a ring of tp control, so if I could curse the scroll I'd be set
19:56 <krm26> Or if I could dig down so I could heal I could loot my way back to survivability, but of course can't dig the valley
19:57 <krm26> (I gotta say I don't recall Dispater being such a beast the last time I saw him)
19:58 <krm26> Trying to avoid this being the 3rd 0.70 evilhack game in a row where I stumble into a demon prince that makes complete mincemeat out of me
19:59 <krm26> I do have a magic lamp which I could burn for a cursed scroll of teleportation I guess :-P
20:00 <K2> good luck :)
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20:01 <krm26> Is it possible to level teleport or cursed gain level out of a level with a prince/lord if it isn't there starting level?
20:02 <K2> there's a small chance it can work
20:02 <K2> used to be, not at all
20:02 <K2> better odds with demon lords vs princes
20:02 <krm26> Am I on drugs or did you give Dispater steroids between .6 and .7?
20:03 <K2> he has a weapon
20:03 <krm26> Yeah, with -40 ac that weapon just chowed through my rings like nothing
20:03 <krm26> And my health
20:03 <krm26> I guess I should have a bullwhip, oh well
20:04 <krm26> Can you disarm Orcus, dispater, etc.? Never tried
20:05 <K2> their weapons are usually cursed
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20:08 <krm26> At least I can heal with stormbringer, small mercy
20:13 <krm26> In 0.7 will a prince/lord follow you DOWN some stairs too?
20:15 <K2> maybe?
20:15 <K2> not sure tbh
20:17 <krm26> What am I missing dammit, gotta be some way to salvage this
20:18 <krm26> At least the fourth time I won't be surprised that a demon prince can just crush an artifact-swinging pc with 120hp and -40ac
20:20 <K2> oh man you only have 120 hp?
20:20 <K2> ballsy :)
20:21 <krm26> Well I was just poking around in the valley, I didn't expect to be locked down by Dispater
20:21 <krm26> And have him toast my rings, potions, and scrolls before I could make use of them
20:21 <tinklebear> "The long worm bites itself"
20:22 <krm26> I don't have a good gut feeling in evilhack for how to get away from the princes/lords when it is time to run
20:23 <tinklebear> aside from be on upstair, be able to blind them or something?
20:23 <krm26> In evilhack there is a chance of a dipped cursed potion ending up unholy, right?
20:24 <tinklebear> orcus can be disarmed by a stealing attack, like a foocubus has
20:25 <tinklebear> this avoids the "the bullwhip slips free" problem with cursed weapons
20:26 <krm26> Alas, ranger
20:26 * tinklebear is diligently backscrolling 
20:26 <krm26> Brace yourself for a lot of whining if you are backscrolling
20:26 <tinklebear> lol
20:26 <K2> krm26 yes, just like vanilla
20:26 <K2> food time, bbl
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20:30 <tinklebear> krm26: you are in the valley of the dead, ass-kicking Dispater is on castle level, you aren't ready to kill Cerberus, and you're at half HP (max HP around 120).
20:31 <tinklebear> and you have an uncursed scroll of teleportation
20:31 <krm26> Actually you're behind, I just accidentally jump-bumped the priest while running from cerberus so my goose is cooked
20:31 <tinklebear> lol. should have made popcorn
20:31 <krm26> Man, bolts do fck-all
20:32 <krm26> If I could survive two/three rounds of the priest and cerberus beating on me, and nobody summons nasties, I might be able to run to the next level
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20:32 <krm26> But I'm betting I'm at half health or less after one round
20:33 <krm26> Is this level even bones-eligible? Hate to deny someone the pleasure of this loot
20:34 <krm26> I should jump more, I clearly don't understand the bump rules. Goddamit
20:34 <tinklebear> I jump all the time and don't understand the bump rules...
20:34 <krm26> Omigod I'm gonna live
20:35 <krm26> The priest sat on his hands and cerberus chased me the wrong way
20:35 <krm26> I'm going to color the valley and the castle black and not go there no more. Just need to pry unholy water or cursed TP out of the next level
20:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1000
20:36 <tinklebear> doesn't confused non-cursed teleport do levelport (but maybe less accurately)?
20:36 <krm26> OH NOW YOU TELL ME. Gates are closed while cerberus lives....how could I never know that
20:36 <krm26> fkc fkc fk fkf
20:37 <krm26> Yes, I think confused teleport with control lets you levelport at least some of the time?
20:37 <tinklebear> that has been my experience, yeah
20:37 <tinklebear> although what *also* has been my experience lately in evilhack is "you shudder in place", when I expected to levelport
20:38 <krm26> Shudder for a moment -- porting out of the valley denied.
20:38 <tinklebear> so i would not depend on anything I say
20:38 <krm26> Can't descend, and if I ascend I assume levelport blocked by dispater
20:38 <krm26> DAMMIT
20:38 <tinklebear> hell
20:40 <krm26> I'm not sure what path I have other than farting around for 10,000 turns until I get enough health from random potion drops
20:40 <krm26> Assuming I can keep the dog under control
20:41 <tinklebear> Cerberus is wand-of-deathable, no?
20:41 <krm26> Wonder if scare monster works on him
20:42 <tinklebear> I have no idea what scare monster does anymore. seems to help some when surrounded by summoned nasties.
20:42 <krm26> It does seem like the most important stuff doesn't give a crap about it
20:43 <krm26> Even if I were to break my elbereth rule I assume there is no elbereth in hell
20:43 <tinklebear> I kind of cross fingers and hope scare monster keeps the balucitherums at bay while I focus on the summoner or Archons or whatever
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20:44 <krm26> My bolts average less than 1 point of damage per missile on this stupid dog
20:47 <tinklebear> crossbow bolts (afaict) are enchantment/poison-delivery devices. unenchanted/unpoisoned they are complete bullshit
20:47 <krm26> Yeah. Rangers are such garbage
20:48 <tinklebear> a good stack of bolts could change that though
20:48 <tinklebear> (but they really do get the short end of the stick in so many ways_
20:49 <krm26> It is very resource-intensive to create a stack and hard to keep it intact
20:49 <tinklebear> it is. that is true
20:49 <krm26> The ranger artifact should create missiles with its current enchantment -- or at least a chance to go up to that enchantment
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20:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:55934
20:53 <krm26> URF
20:53 <krm26> Hey, no way, Cerberus conveys teleport control when you eat him
20:53 <tinklebear> \o/
20:54 <krm26> Now I just have to sneak by the angry priest one more time
20:55 <krm26> gotta go find some leaving meat to soulsteal for health firwst
20:56 * tinklebear did not know stormbringer did that!
20:56 <krm26> Yeah, it is the only reason I'm still alive
20:56 <krm26> Since I'm stuck on a no-healing level
20:56 <tinklebear> cool!
20:59 <krm26> This is how it always is for me, I spend 40,000 turns struggling fruitlessly against the inevitable with a sub-par character
21:01 <tinklebear> epic. no other word for it
21:01 <tinklebear> :D
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21:01 <krm26> Yeah, if I ever ascended I'd have a great story :-)
21:02 <tinklebear> oh, hey, there is "tragic".
21:02 <krm26> AND SO A MASTER LICH GENERATES
21:02 <tinklebear> but that seems more like downfall of a Mary Sue type thing
21:03 <krm26> sonuva
21:03 <krm26> Just gotta run for it
21:03 <tinklebear> lol. I guess you're running for the downstair?
21:04 * tinklebear see that yes, krm26 is running for the downstair
21:04 <tinklebear> *sees
21:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:56366
21:04 <krm26> And I'm through
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21:06 <krm26> Back at my stash on 2! Time to regroup. Can't believe I made it
21:06 <tinklebear> brave, brave sir robin
21:07 <tinklebear> :D
21:07 <krm26> I wonder if my daughter is old enough for me to inflict that movie on her and then yell at her when she gets bored
21:07 <tinklebear> haha
21:07 <krm26> I keep having arguments with the spousal unit about an appropriate age to watch The Thing
21:08 <krm26> I opened with 6, was countered at 35, and we're still negotiating
21:08 <tinklebear> The Thing... is that the one with Michael Kaine?
21:08 * tinklebear hopes not...
21:09 <tinklebear> *Caine, maybe
21:09 <krm26> John Carpenter's The Thing, starring Ego the Living Planet
21:09 <krm26> Best horror movie ever made
21:10 * tinklebear was thinking of "The Hand"...
21:11 <tinklebear> Having definitely watched the worst (see above), maybe someday I will watch this best one
21:13 <tinklebear> horror movies are great. some kid described The Shining to me when I was five. I didn't even need to see it to enjoy how creepy it was.
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22:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3365
22:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 163 points, T:864, killed by an arrow
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22:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 3628 points, T:4190, killed by a soldier ant
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22:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1392 points, T:3111, killed by a gray unicorn
22:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 0 points, T:19, killed by a crossbow bolt
22:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class R), on T:57007
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23:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 725 points, T:2828, killed by a wererat
23:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 168 points, T:925, killed by a magic missile
23:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:57770
23:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Hob Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1607
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23:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 2332 points, T:2194, killed by a mountain dwarf
23:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Gno Fem Neu), 274 points, T:685, zombified by a diseased gnome corpse, while helpless
23:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 24 points, T:64, killed by the wrath of Mars
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23:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Ran Orc Fem Cha) stole 5410 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Angmagssalik's general store, on T:481
23:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 246 points, T:513, killed by a magic missile, while sleeping
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23:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Mon Gia Fem Cha), 807 points, T:2741, zombified by an orc zombie