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00:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:42502
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03:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Orc Fem Una), 6091 points, T:5356, killed by a soldier ant
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03:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3540
03:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 3312 points, T:3599, killed by a chameleon imitating a woolly mammoth
04:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:2415
04:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 3636 points, T:3884, killed by an ape, while frozen by a monster's gaze
05:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 3330 points, T:2399, killed by a saber-toothed tiger
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06:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 375 points, T:1882, killed by a paper golem
08:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:27593
08:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27596
08:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:28273
08:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:28760
08:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30272
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11:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Mal Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:16604
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12:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:45925
12:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:20652
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14:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 5748 points, T:4654, killed by a goblin-captain called Akhaioth-ai of Aiuna, while praying
14:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) destroyed post163 the human zombie, and former Evoker, on T:1451
14:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 682 points, T:1529, killed by a magic missile
14:19 <tinklebear> Master Key of Thievery seems the obvious artiwish for chaotic nudist atheist knight. Half-physical damage and slotless warning being the primary benefits. Any alternative I should consider?
14:19 <tinklebear> wishes are a ways off, but I like to think ahead
14:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law), 761 points, T:1247, killed by a water troll
14:27 <tinklebear> (and I'm completely unfamiliar with most artifacts)
14:59 <VaderFLAG> Slotness warning is easy to get with the magic 8-ball, but might be worth it for the 1/2 damage
15:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:23517
15:05 <mobileuser> Master Key of Thievery is an excellent wish!
15:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products (snake) for the first time, on T:4669
15:17 <Umbire> Trap detection is a p. big deal also
15:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 2045 points, T:5005, killed by a yeti
15:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5518
15:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8247 points, T:5523, poisoned by a gray fungus
15:53 <tinklebear> appreciate the input so far. trying to talk myself into the crossbow of carl, but so far failing to persuade.
16:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 434 points, T:1745, killed by a falling object
16:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3655 points, T:2305, killed by a bolt of cold
16:45 <tinklebear> "You give Puddleglum your scroll called 08 mapiro mahama diromat #remove curse"
16:46 <tinklebear> "Puddleglum reads a scroll called 08 mapiro mahama diromat #remove curse!"
16:46 <tinklebear> "You feel like someone is helping Puddleglum."
16:46 <tinklebear> "Loot in what direction? j"
16:47 <tinklebear> "Do you want to take something from Puddleglum? [ynq] (n) y"
16:47 <tinklebear> "Puddleglum's iron orcish bow won't come off!"
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16:48 <tinklebear> TLDR: Pets who read an uncursed scroll of remove curse do not uncurse a cursed wielded weapon (apparently)
16:49 <Umbire> K2: ^
16:50 <Umbire> Seems like an important bugfix if so
16:50 <Umbire> What's your pet ftr
16:50 <tinklebear> Water troll. Awesome pet.
16:52 <Umbire> Oh, neat
16:57 <tinklebear> the new (new-to-me, at least) pet stuff is cool. curious to see how it all works.
16:58 <tinklebear> things I've noticed so far: pet will drop its own food for me if it sees I am carrying none in open inventory
16:59 <tinklebear> in similar circumstances (I think), pet will drop a lizard corpse
16:59 <tinklebear> likewise, a sack/bag/BoH
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17:00 <tinklebear> made me smile
17:01 <mobileuser> pet cares for you :-)
17:02 <tinklebear> :D
17:12 <Umbire> o:
17:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3107
17:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a vorpal jabberwock, on T:24584
17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:24697
17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a helmet entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4453
17:43 <tinklebear> Have arrived at the conclusion that the best way to relieve Puddleglum the water troll of her cursed gear is to find a woolly mammoth or two somewhere, and get them to kill her. Then revive the corpse, one way or another.
17:43 <VaderFLAG> Hopefully Puddleglum excels at reviving itself
17:43 <Umbire> I mean the corpse'll revive on its own but maybe also don't get your pet killed
17:44 <tinklebear> Other methods I considered: find poly control ring, and poly into nymph myself to steal the cursed gear.
17:44 <tinklebear> less practical.
17:45 <Umbire> ...or just have an actual nymph do the stealing
17:45 <Umbire> On that note, can remove curse be cast directionally in evil?
17:45 <VaderFLAG> Nymphs are only around when you don't need them
17:45 <tinklebear> they'll get clobbered. There's a lot of gear
17:45 <tinklebear> AFAIK, *I*'d get clobbered and have to repoly.
17:46 <tinklebear> Umbire: no it cannot
17:46 <Umbire> You'd also risk angering your pet and untaming it in the process
17:46 <tinklebear> hence the woolly mammoth method.
17:46 <Umbire> Or, less drastic, revgeno rogues
17:47 <tinklebear> would require finding a resource I have none of at present
17:47 <Umbire> Beats having your pet killed imo
17:48 <tinklebear> it's a troll. As VaderFLAG says, revival could well be automatic.
17:48 <Umbire> It is
17:48 <Umbire> I just prefer not to take that chance
17:48 <tinklebear> and if it isn't, I have a wand.
17:49 <Umbire> It's not automatic, just same as any other troll
17:49 <Umbire> 1/3 chance each turn IIRC
17:49 <Umbire> ?
17:49 <tinklebear> "automatic" in the sense that it expends no resources, should it occur that way
17:49 <Umbire> I'd use undead turning if you're aiming to prevent a carnivorous pet immediately nomming them
17:49 <tinklebear> otherwise, it's just a wand charge
17:50 <tinklebear> I have two pets. one is exclusively herbivorous. the other is the troll.
17:51 <tinklebear> I just think it is funny, that this is the easiest method, yet still sort of difficult to pull off.
17:52 <tinklebear> (cancelation is I guess easier, but has very undesirable side effects)
17:54 <Umbire> Directional remove curse should be a thing, honestly
17:54 <Umbire> An option at the least
17:55 <Umbire> I'll dwell on it later, though
17:55 <Umbire> For this fixing the pet-read remove curse bug would go quiteaways
17:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Mal Neu) had an elven spear entrusted to him by Venus, on T:25515
17:59 <mobileuser> give it blessed remove curse?
18:00 <mobileuser> (I think you tried uncursed already?)
18:00 <tinklebear> you think a blessed one might work, mobileuser?
18:00 <mobileuser> try it for SCIENCE :-)
18:00 <tinklebear> yes, uncursed (and twice, because I am insane that way)
18:00 <mobileuser> I seem to remember blessed working...
18:00 <tinklebear> here goes nothing, then!
18:01 <mobileuser> but I could be wrong...
18:02 <tinklebear> LOL. it *blessed* the cursed bow. it's a blessed bow now
18:02 <tinklebear> wtf??
18:03 <tinklebear> thanks, mobileuser!
18:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:26268
18:05 <Umbire> lmfao
18:05 <Umbire> I mean I suppose it works
18:05 <Umbire> but that's still categorically bugged
18:05 <Umbire> I wonder how FIQ handles monster uncursing, actually
18:07 <mobileuser> omg! :-)
18:07 <amateurhour> SCIENCE \o/
18:07 <mobileuser> something for the notepad
18:07 <mobileuser> BLINDED BY SCIENCE \o/
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18:12 <tinklebear> Success: "Puddleglum wields the blessed rustproof +3 Excalibur!"
18:13 * Umbire shrugs
18:13 <Umbire> I mean it's genuinely cool you did it
18:14 <Umbire> But at most I'm curious since I remember trolls being chaotic
18:14 <tinklebear> "Puddleglum puts a blessed iron orcish bow into her oilskin sack"
18:15 <tinklebear> I was a little surprised at that too, Umbire. But it's not an intelligent artifact, so I guess it's not so weird.
18:16 <tinklebear> Also though: it was King Arthur's. King Arthur is my quest leader, and I am chaotic. So maybe that is the reason instead?
18:16 <Umbire> Vanilla pets won't wield cross-aligned artifacts
18:16 <tinklebear> MORE SCIENCE is needed
18:16 <Umbire> EvilHack changed a bunch of a things involving pets so it's likely that might've been one of them, or that it might be some consequence of getting it from King Arthur
18:17 <Umbire> (who I presume is very dead as a result)
18:17 <tinklebear> him and all his pages, yep
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18:30 <tinklebear> hrm. the wiki says Excalibur *is* intelligent.
18:30 * tinklebear has no idea what this really means anyways
18:30 <Umbire> I've wielded Excal from bones as a Barbarian
18:30 <Umbire> I think?
18:31 <Umbire> moment...
18:34 <Umbire> tinklebear: Yeah, it IS intelligent, it just doesn't do the quest grasping thing
18:34 <Umbire> asgmosfkjngosnbo[
18:34 <Umbire> grasp-evading thing.
18:34 <Umbire> that most other intelligent artifacts do (but those are quest artifacts what do that)
18:37 <Umbire> tinklebear: Based on wikistuff, they'll make use of any artifact weapon that lets them
18:37 <tinklebear> this is interesting
18:38 <Umbire> But in terms of "giving them a different one" they prefer co-aligned to cross aligned, seemingly?
18:38 <Umbire> Iunno, questions for later.
18:45 <tinklebear> yeah. this would be interesting to figure out.
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19:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Embalmer, on T:8000
19:17 <lacca[m]> I wonder which bones are there
19:17 <lacca[m]> I hope not ones with alhoon chameleon 
19:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed wheals' ghost, the former Fighter, on T:8144
19:27 <tinklebear> any alhoons?
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19:27 <tinklebear> in minetown?
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19:28 <tinklebear> calling all minetown alhoons!
19:28 <tinklebear> Is there an alhoon in the house?
20:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] jmcunx (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 1574 points, T:4094, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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