02:29 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:36 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:15 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 03:32 congratulations on your ascent last night, mobileuser. (I didn't get to see the end) 03:33 thanks tinklebear! :-) 03:33 !lastgame mobileuser 03:33 tinklebear: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1620723615.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1621797088.evil.html 03:33 it was on us this time 03:34 finished a game from last month 03:35 after all those spellcasting infidels it was nice to play 100% melee with barbarian 03:37 lol. your herd of wooly mammoths! 03:39 gratz mobileuser 03:39 thx! 03:39 yeah the woolly stampede works really well 03:40 "You and the woolly mammoth and the woolly mammoth and the woolly mammoth and the woolly mammoth and the woolly ma mmoth and the woolly mammoth [...]" 03:41 gods are like what are all these mammoths doing here :b 03:42 talk about augean stables! 03:43 lots of HP, and a whole lot of poop 03:44 100% melee sounds hard, too 03:45 I collected lots of awesome artifact weapons! 03:46 On the asc run I was lucky I only had to kill the wizard twice 03:46 both times wand of death worked 03:47 hacks and/or cheats 03:47 heh 03:47 mobilemaster makes it look easy 03:48 mobi is one of the two people that I think could beat slex if they wanted to 03:49 doooo ittttt 03:54 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Dins (Val Dwa Fem Law), 471 points, T:1498, killed by a flint stone 04:58 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 05:27 lol 05:28 mobileuser, next time every woolly mammoth 05:28 You and Ted and Steve and Sally and Bob and CARL... 05:28 lol 05:28 need lots of names 05:28 *name every 05:29 heh 05:47 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire royal, on T:12579 05:49 royale with cheese 06:09 [hdf-us] [evil] darkmiz (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1610 points, T:3240, killed by an ancient pseudodragon, while being terrified of a ghost 06:34 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 34526 points, T:13267, killed by an air elemental 06:35 !lastgame 06:35 tinklebear: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Dins/evilhack/dumplog/1623918479.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1623798479.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kaguya/evilhack/dumplog/1623865002.evil.html 06:39 elementals can't be scared that way :-( 06:39 always a pain on the plane of air 06:40 interesting to know, mobileuser 06:41 I guess my better choice, once I got unengulfed, would have been jousting. kind of desperate circumstance, either way 06:41 could have advanced jousting to expert for the emergency occasion, too 06:42 (had intentionally delayed advancing it to lessen chance of breakage in melee) 06:43 the pain of air 06:43 it bites! 06:43 I still think a centaur knight that can joust without riding would be sick 06:44 lol, amateurhour 06:45 knights ride horses, though. and centaurs do not. 06:45 but *if* a centaur could be a knight, that'd be cool. 06:47 centaur has build-in horse :b 06:47 the dependency on a loyal horse, though, I think is a large part of a knight's appeal 06:47 loyal 4 legs :P 06:47 heh 06:47 that's a good point though 06:48 in the 14th and 15th century almost all European knights and men-at-arms fought dismounted 06:48 quoting from some rando on quora 06:49 HistoricallyAccurateHack 06:49 apparently archers were too OP against horses 06:49 guess there was some kind of buff 06:49 * tinklebear seems to remember something like that happening to Jon Snow's horse 06:49 the devs probably improved the barding to compensate 06:53 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:58 finally got my AC below -10 06:58 only took 50k turns 06:59 \o/ 06:59 \o/ 07:00 unnethack? 07:00 yeah 07:00 just recently acquired a ring of lev and a ring of prot vs shape changers 07:01 can finally safely do the quest 07:01 no BoH yet 07:01 hah i meant to say all this in the team channel 07:01 ah well 07:02 gives me a chance to say: bhaak's easybabyhack :b 07:02 lol 07:03 I never said I would care about players grinding to get stuff they ain't gonna need anyway :-) 07:06 he has to endure the increased monster generation rate 07:07 what's the multiplier? 07:07 at 50k, not much. it's about 1.6 07:07 no big deal yet 07:08 also, if he reached the votd, it's already 2 anyway 07:10 i thought unnethack changed mon gen from turns to milestones 07:15 there's basically only 2 milestones. reaching the votd (2x) and having killed Rodney (max rate -> 7x) 07:15 the turn based generation rate is still there, just overruled if smaller than the 2 milestones 07:17 [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:37751 07:21 gotcha 07:23 otherwise somebody could out in the dungeons of doom for ages without any increased monster rate 07:47 I suppose I might keep around this unwanted mithril dwarvish spear gift if it has some nice property 07:47 mithril bearded axe of venom is nice but a lot of stuff is poison resistant and I'm generally not scared of the stuff that isn't 08:28 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:2127 09:14 faithful *battle* kitten. 09:17 mobileuser: congrats! :) 09:23 woah, evilhack rangers can two-weapon 09:26 thx rebatela! 09:28 tinklebear yes :P 09:30 very interestink! 11:20 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 11:45 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 11:51 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Dins' ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:8445 12:12 RIP now, Dins 12:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:13772 12:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hob Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:14014 12:20 haha "The gold golem digs in" 12:20 "Talk to whom?" (in what direction) l 12:21 "The black naga hatchling is eating noisily." 12:24 ^ (a tame dwarf with a pick-axe) 12:26 as in you're having a really bizarre bug right now? 12:27 or hallucinating 12:27 hallucinating 12:27 "digs in" 12:27 :D 12:29 hehe 12:30 pretty cool that someone(s) took the time to add all those messages 12:30 are you halucinating on purpose tinklebear? 12:30 it is fun! 12:30 oh you don't have to tell me... 12:30 oh in nethack? indeed! 12:30 lol 12:32 yeah you've ascended permahallu haven't you 12:33 once during tnnt, yeah. 12:38 this pet dwarf is a pretty chill companion! 12:39 The elven poohbah of the Martians intones: "Pilgrim, you enter a sacred place!" You experience a sense of peace. 12:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:16049 12:46 hah 12:46 I guess Mars has sent some missionaries 12:53 And they come in peace! 13:42 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:15 i should really play my game, but tinklebear's game is fun to watch... 14:16 i've been doing quite a bit of voyeurism this tournament. i usually get motivated to play 14:30 my big fear right now is the wizard, playing with martial arts and all.. I dunno if he has MR or reflection or whatever how i'm going to handle 14:31 maybe i'll get lucky 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 16522 points, T:11248, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted watchman 14:37 sigh 14:39 the wizard sometimes get an MR item now? 14:40 * tinklebear has never gotten that far, ever, come to think of it 14:45 yeah, it's new to 0.7 14:45 sometimes he will either have an item that gives him MR or maybe he can cast reflection ? (i've never made it that far either, but am about to go kill him ) 14:46 you're really good. i like watching you play. you can totally make it that far if i can... 14:46 lol, rebatela 14:47 evilhack is hard, but it's not impossible 14:47 definitely not impossible! 14:47 that said, i'm probably about to splat... I want to play something besides monk next. I was thinking maybe knight 14:47 knight is very fun, once you get off the ground 14:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:19192 14:48 IMO, i mean 14:48 and don't splat! 14:48 chaotic knight is extra fun with Dirge 14:49 (I've never done riding/jousting though) 14:50 the metaphor "press/push your luck" comes to mind 14:50 because that's jousting, pretty much 14:50 heh 14:51 Welp, I found the mines. My go-to strategy is to go down there straight off and get killed. 14:52 Why change? 14:52 yeah some people have mastered the whole jousting thing 14:52 i was thinking chaotic knight 14:52 but then i was thinking of doing the convert to neutral thing. I don't think anyone has done that in evilhack. 14:53 i know aoei has done it in vanilla 14:53 what for, to wish for eota? 14:53 then you can wish for the eye and then convert. there's even a neutral altar IN the damn knight quest (in vanilla at least) 14:53 yes 14:53 what does the eye do in evilhack? 14:53 it restores your power (vanilla) 14:54 i rely on spellcasting. It has sucked not having it this game 14:54 i should just play wizard i suppose 14:54 but the early game monk is SO much easier ! 14:54 bopping the gnomes on the head 14:54 -!- jonadab has joined #evilhack 14:55 also the branch porting is awesome 14:55 plus i use eota for magic resistance sometimes in the early game before i get the other eyes 14:55 in 3.43 in gives you mr just carrying it 14:56 but you get the PW regen just from carrying it even in evil 14:57 it's a great escape item though. also good for bringing wraiths out of the valley 14:59 has Dark One finally figured out to wear the eye? 15:00 they get cloak of MR now 15:02 lol, Dim One 15:03 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:03 must be some kind of running joke, like Vlad used to be. Watch out when they revamp Dark One. 15:04 Force Lightning powers or something 15:05 He's already been revamped in Evil lmfao 15:05 it took me ~100 sacrifices (probably more!) to get good with my god after killing the quest master and all the abbots... 15:05 i was giving up 15:06 when i enlightened with eyes of overworld it said i had transgressed and i thought i was never going to be able to pray again 15:06 but right before i finally gave up i got the hopeful message 15:06 and i was sacrificing dragons and shit 15:07 I've been wondering what's up with the new hostile quest leader thing. 15:07 he said something about not being able to use HooA on astral after doing that ? so i thought maybe he was hinting at prayer not even working? God was pissed 15:07 but i'm anti helm of opp alignment anyway and would never do it 15:08 it's nice being able to pray though for the other stuff 15:08 i pray a lot at altars just because 15:08 yes i had to go back and kill him tinklebear to uncurse the bell of opening 15:08 but he wanted as a trade, the eyes of the overworld back! (or you fight them) 15:08 weird and interesting! 15:08 it's actually pretty fun 15:08 yeah 15:09 it's based on your alignment 15:09 That's an interesting code/ethic, anti-HoOA-ism 15:09 i was a bad monk eating corpses and killing shopkeepers and all that so it was a given that he was going to demand it back 15:10 i imagine i'd have to kill king arthur as a knight as well lol 15:10 but i don't really see how it affects other roles as much as those two? 15:10 maybe samurai? 15:10 there ya go 15:11 so definitely more challenging for those roles 15:11 although, the monk quest leader isn't as though as master kaen... i don't think king arthur is very tough either 15:11 i thought it was fun the 2 times i've had to do it 15:12 this time i waited until i did everything else. I've killed eveyrone in gehennom except rodney, but then i remembered i had to go back and kill the guy to uncurse the bell 15:12 and he asked for the eyes lol. I could have given to him at this point actually ! i get astral from the eye of vecna 15:13 definitely sounds fun. way more fun than boilerplate NPC dialogue. 15:25 I may have started a train of thought when I remarked that most quest leaders seem to be rather indifferent once you complete the quest :-) 15:25 "oh, you got it. nice. keep it. good luck!" 15:26 feel free to leave. Oh, you're still here? 15:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hob Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:20769 15:58 "Oh, this soko level looks almost too easy" [troop of gnolls spawns all around] 15:58 owned 16:09 -!- SpiritGun has joined #evilhack 16:10 -!- SpiritGun has left #evilhack 16:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23697 16:47 bones screwed up the artifact wishing in this game... 16:47 i had seen 3 and went for dragonbane and got it luckily, but that's why i never went for the eye 16:48 is there any reason to bring a weapon with me? 16:48 for rodney or whatever? 16:48 magicbane ? vorpal blade? 16:48 sword of kas? 16:49 i guess i will just slap and kick 17:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a battle-axe entrusted to her by Mog, on T:24852 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided mind flayers, on T:85990 17:12 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 17:13 Arrggghgh...screwed up a perfectly promising game -- stupid cleaver mistake with a coaligned priest sitting on my main stash in the early game 17:13 oops 17:13 do people find it worthwhile to polypile in evilhack? Thinking of doing some pre-gehennom-proper. well, pre-cerberus. 17:13 Is there anything at all to do but abandon my stash and run away? I don't know any way to pacify coaligned priests 17:13 I often find I need to polypile for enchant weapon/armor scrolls 17:13 Polypile is very worthwhile if you need healing pots or charging/enchant/genocide/whatev scrolls 17:13 aosdict: i polypile a lot in evilhack... 17:14 So, not for like, armor then. I've collected a lot of magical armor but don't think I'm going to get better gear except by wishing 17:14 I assumed taming will pacify a priest, but maybe not? 17:14 Taming/magic harp 17:14 What do the experts say? Is there any way I can pacify this guy other than a scroll of taming I don't have which wouldn't work through his resistance anyway? 17:14 It'll pacify them but you're fucked if you want services 17:14 There's so much good magic armor off of npc monsters it's not necessary 17:14 yeah you can pretty much find armor on npc's or dragon scale is gotten in obvious ways 17:14 Taming works on monster MR 17:14 So I have to abandon my stash, arggghgh 17:14 but for scrolls and spellbooks and rings i polypile 17:15 I wonder if I can survive one round of looting it. I guess he may kill me irregardless 17:15 you're a rogue, poison that priest! 17:15 i do in vanilla too though, so who knows. i might not be the best to be talking 17:15 Don't think he wants the alignment hit 17:15 like, I already have a fireproof cloak of protection, the only improvement I could get over that is dragonhide 17:15 it's like a meta game for me 17:15 Esp. not with the quest leader thing recently added 17:15 i like polypiling food 17:15 I have so much food. not going to worry about polying it 17:15 I never never polypiled food, what are you looking for? 17:16 sigh, my setup was SO nice 17:16 you make blessed meatballs. hundreds of them and then polypile them into blessed spinach tins , lembas wafers, cockatrice eggs, etc. i usually do stacks of 20 17:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant spider, on T:6726 17:17 how long does it take to get cockatrice eggs? that seems like it could be useful but tedious 17:17 you cast force bolt at boulders and then stone to flesh and then bless the whole stack 17:17 yeah. oh6? taught me that haha . grenades! 17:17 yeah this barbarian isn't going to be stone to fleshing anything 17:17 you can keep them in an icebox 17:17 they don't do the same in evilhack i don't think 17:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 5326 points, T:6767, choked on a mountain dwarf corpse 17:17 not with that attitude 17:18 with those staffs he can cast 17:18 I don't think I've found a single staff 17:18 and obviously a robe would help which i'm sure you'll see 17:18 yeah they are semi rare 17:18 Wow a hobbit eating itself to death, wouldn't have thought it possible 17:18 some times they are just sitting around though or in a shop 17:18 anyway I don't need stoning grenades, that's a level of overpreparation that's too much 17:18 i don't thin kthey work in evil anyway 17:19 but i like to get enough lembas wafeers for the game/endgame usually 17:19 You'd need a ton of them since all the good targets can limber themselves 17:19 and max my strength out with spinach. especially if a giant it's hard to get strength 17:19 oh this reminds me I have 3 tengu tins 17:19 is giant wizard a playable role? 17:19 revgenoing them is a possibility 17:20 Hmm maybe I should loot my wand of cancellation and cancel him, if he's cancelled maybe he won't kill me before I escape 17:20 That banks on you not getting highrolled by theri 4d10 17:20 their* 17:21 i guess i will try to take this peaceful titan with me! 17:21 i think i tamed him earlier and left behind 17:21 (long game) 17:21 i have an amulet of reflection for him too! 17:23 now i want to go back and arm this thing lol 17:24 so will the tian only use a lawful artifact weapon? 17:24 i have so many neutral and chaotic ones 17:24 vorpal, magicbane, sword of kas 17:24 i don't think it will use them though 17:25 i enchanted a unicorn horn a couple times and gave it to him and he wielded that 17:25 they can cast touch of death or whatever though! 17:25 Escaped by the skin of my teeth 17:25 That seems like a good choice. Even if it could vorpal, that seems like an invitation for confusion/stun to give you a bad day 17:25 Lost my stash and coaligned altar :-( 17:25 i'm going to give it gloves and helm and try to keep alive 17:25 ugh 17:25 that sucks man 17:26 Your stash is still there though, right? just gotta teleport it away for rescue later 17:26 Or do you have some wild multichest system 17:26 Yeah, I even managed to lock it 17:26 One day I'll be able to come back, but my current position isn't that awesome now 17:26 I got out with a few holy water at least 17:28 f*ing cleaver 17:28 Yeah, pets won't take cross aligned artis 17:28 If Mog didn't want me hitting his priest with it he shouldn't have given it to me! 17:29 X is your frined 17:29 friend* even 17:31 Is there any possible real-world use for the thievery skill? 17:31 Stealing good items from monsters before they get used on you 17:31 you can take all kathryn's weapons and armour then zap her with death I think 17:31 or steal the 8-ball from the oracle 17:31 actually might not be able to use death still 17:31 ye lot of applications 17:31 can't remember 17:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:34 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:36 Does thieving not make them hostile? 17:37 It does 17:37 Then it still seems pretty useless 17:37 If I can stand around being beaten on while taking someone's armor I can stand around being beaten on while I kill them 17:37 I think there is a chance they won't notice if highly skilled? 17:38 Also more about what you steal anyway 17:38 I mean, if I could steal all my loot back from Graz'zt in one swing that would be worth it 17:39 oh, I think that only works on peacefuls... 17:40 "If the target is peaceful, there is a chance the target will not notice" 17:43 any tips for keeping a pet alive in the end game, mobileuser? 17:43 i'm about to kill rodney with a titan in tow... 17:43 I mean hostiles probably won't notice either 17:43 But they're like, already committed to killing you so 17:44 i think i've done it before and left the titan on the vibrating square level while i got the amulet 17:45 i feel like having it on astral would be helpful but i'm never able to do it 17:46 rebatela titan is hard to keep alive, you can't give it armor 17:46 they already have godly AC fwiw 17:46 but at least give it reflection 17:46 but resistances are gonna be tougher 17:46 can give amulet of MR and SoR 17:46 yeah I mean for DSM 17:47 MR is less important 17:47 vampire mages are easier to kit out 17:48 a big danger is when they attack beholders 17:48 can easily be turned into a statue 17:49 just give the titan Dragonbane 4Head 17:49 lol 17:49 (or be boring and reasonable by lettin' 'em eat the stuff you kill 17:49 acid resistance still a big RIP though) 17:49 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:88329 17:49 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:88333 17:50 yeah, if you can give a pet yellow DSM it's much easier 17:50 go go rebatela! 17:50 dammit the titan didn't come iwth me when i teleported 17:50 oopsie 17:50 i'll try to tame him on the way up 17:51 if he goes peaceful 17:51 or should i go back? 17:51 ugh 17:51 i had skipped the zo 17:51 zoo 17:51 i kinda want to go get him even though i've woken rodney up 17:51 probably wanna go back if you want best odds of keepin' em tame 17:52 once you've woken up rodney better not dawdle 17:52 i'm going to go BACK to rodney's room with the amulet (if i get it) to rescue this titan 17:53 can't you magic whistle from outside? 17:53 you ring the silver bell. nothing happens 17:53 i killed the quest leader 17:53 he said he unlocked the bell 17:53 could be 0:0 17:54 it's not identified 17:54 so i charged it 17:54 oops 17:54 talking to the quest leader should have identified the bell? 17:54 i'm not on the square 17:54 lol 17:54 hmmm 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:88376 17:55 phew! 17:56 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: zzz] 18:00 i should have genocided L 18:00 i think i got rid of alhoons finally 18:02 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:88551 18:03 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:88554 18:03 \o/ 18:03 0:99 18:03 * Umbire plays The Price is Right theme 18:03 w00t 18:04 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:04 bedtime for me. good luck!! 18:05 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:05 hey thanks 18:05 nite 18:07 i'm thinking of stashing the amulet and going back for my pet. i should be able to teleport with him with a scroll (if i don't have the amulet) he must have been eating before 18:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a weredemon, on T:88796 18:10 oh no 18:11 doh 18:11 lol at least i didn't lose my robe 18:11 quaffed a holy water and now i have a pet were demon... no damage done 18:12 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:8004 18:13 yay! i was able to whistle the titan from outside the wizards tower 18:13 -22 ac with reflection. he's good to go ! 18:15 Woo hoo! Invisible Jerry's getting out of this hellhole! 18:17 wizard was resisting my death magic... 18:17 that was fun though 18:17 he kept going to the upstair to heal so i went to the downstair and got him to follow so then i was on the upstair and then he fell in to the lava! 18:18 invisible jerry doesn't have a scratch on him 18:21 The Wizard? He fell into lava? 18:21 * tinklebear thought the Wizard could fly 18:22 Nope lmfao 18:22 Never could 18:22 i guess his gear fell into lava 18:22 i killed him over the lava 18:22 i was on the stairs 18:22 my b 18:22 fun watching his gear burn tho 18:23 @e?Wizard of Yendor 18:23 Wizard of Yendor (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d12 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast clerical | Alignment: -128 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, teleports, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 18:23 that's my first time having a death wand not work on the wizard (minus the times he STOLEN pyec etc. from me!) 18:23 it kind of makes sense that the WIZARD OF YENDOR should have magic resistance though? I always thought that was kind of silly 18:24