00:04 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 00:05 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:18297 01:07 -!- Umbire is now known as umbire 01:07 -!- umbire is now known as Umbire 01:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 646 points, T:1624, killed by a kitten 01:59 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 02:29 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 02:36 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #evilhack 03:02 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:03 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a pair of mud boots entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:6252 03:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a club entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:8396 03:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 03:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:8910 03:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9360 03:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a pair of water walking boots entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:9721 04:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible sluggoman's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:10847 04:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:14987 05:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) destroyed SeamusMcRed's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:16950 05:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:16955 05:05 oh man, the axe in the ice queen level was cursed. that's a dirty trick! luckily i was able to pray 05:06 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:56198 05:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 29184 points, T:17024, killed by Baphomet 05:14 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:56554 05:15 rip 05:15 !lastgame lacca 05:15 rebatela: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1623452361.evil.html 05:30 Nothing interesting, baphomet came to upper dungeons) 05:32 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:57477 05:41 how does that happen though ? 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08:26 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:27623 08:27 the third sleep zap did the trick 08:27 yeah there's something really important you need to kn- 08:27 nvm 08:27 his initial salvo stripped off my comr erodeproofing and then burnt it >:( 08:27 I spent a good scroll on that, ya jerk! 08:28 well I guess I don't really need it anymore now that I have p'hul 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27625 08:29 so let's see... indestructible free action + MR + sick res? only vulnerability is the Wizard can steal it? 08:29 oh and this frees up my cloak slot for apron for kathryn 08:31 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) had a mithril dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Crom, on T:27786 08:31 nah 08:35 yeah acid resis for kathryn is a must (but it seems you know that!) 08:35 just did that level myself 08:36 i usually like to do it with a hoard of pets! if you have a way to tame the woollys and mastodons that are there, i've found they can be a huge help fighting on your side... 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master Assassin, on T:26544 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26545 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baphomet, on T:58282 08:47 can't only cavemen tame those easily? 08:47 I haven't identified taming 08:47 and magic bad, me hate magic 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 578 points, T:2129, killed by a baby owlbear 08:51 yeah i know they can't cast, but i thought anyone can read scrolls, use harp etc. 08:54 you might be thinking of giants which can ride them. although i think anything can ride them, just that giants can only ride woollys 08:57 Woo! one-shotted master kaen in melee :) slash'em is wacked. 08:58 chained blitz? 08:58 Mind you, I also had quaffed a blessed potion of invulnerability, which is also wacked. 08:58 aosdict: Yep, plus for good measure, chi strike before the chained blitz. Massively OP. 08:59 And I just sac'ed him, too! 08:59 > You'll regret this infamous offense! The blood covers the altar, and a dark cloud forms!--More-- 08:59 I think that was a bad idea. 08:59 Yes. Very bad idea. 09:00 I'm still neutral, at least. 09:03 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1578 points, T:2015, killed by a mountain dwarf 09:03 Lost all my devine protection too, I think. 09:18 -!- mobileuser has quit [*.net *.split] 09:18 -!- rebatela has quit [*.net *.split] 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 986 points, T:1715, killed by a bolt of cold 09:24 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:59919 09:31 -!- cccrow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:33 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1131 points, T:1826, killed by a dwarvish spear 09:43 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1122 points, T:2670, killed by a giant cockroach 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 752 points, T:884, killed by a mountain dwarf 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2039 points, T:2411, killed by a watchman, while sleeping 10:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 8649 points, T:7279, burned by a fireball 11:56 [backscroll] aosdict yeah i'm aware of that, thanks for putting it on the pad 11:56 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:12 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 13:03 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #evilhack 13:09 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a long sword entrusted to her by Kos, on T:2823 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a small shield entrusted to her by Kos, on T:4919 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a plate mail entrusted to her by Kos, on T:6210 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had a crested helmet entrusted to her by Kos, on T:6733 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 9939 points, T:8724, killed by a dwarf king 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 323 points, T:1816, killed by a crossbow bolt 13:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:1461 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:62501 14:29 -!- aosdict has quit [Changing host] 14:29 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 14:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a darkwood staff entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:4125 15:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 6689 points, T:6054, killed by a sergeant, while sleeping 15:15 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Con Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4042 17:01 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Con Hum Fem Cha), 4014 points, T:6273, killed by an ancient pseudodragon, while praying 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 544 points, T:812, killed by a giant spider 17:50 debating whether to face vecna or not... 17:50 cleared out the rest of the branch and i have the kas sword.. I watched krm26 do it. I dunno. don't really feel like dying lol 17:51 can i enchant the sword to +7 ? 17:51 yeah you can 17:51 but no skill I guess? 17:52 not even sure what kind of sword it is 17:52 two-handed 17:52 defiintely not trained in kas swords 17:52 heh 17:52 oh yeah. then no 17:53 but krm was playing monk 17:53 if you manage to hit I suppose it still does lots of damage 17:54 yeah it did. he missed sometimes 17:59 I don't understand speaking so casually about enchanting a sword you don't expect to use again to +7. are there really that many enchant weapon scrolls lying around spare? 17:59 yes. yes there are lol 17:59 in vanilla you can find or wish magic markers, but that's no go in evil 17:59 there's so many more scrolls than vanilla (or xnh) 18:00 because you start running into player monsters 18:00 plus i learn IDENTIFY spell so i blank all those and the magic mapping scrolls 18:00 end up with dozens of blank scrolls to polypile for whatever 18:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:01 which saves the marker charges you don't have anyway because i will end up getting genocide/charging/taming etc. that way 18:02 i have 5 enchant weapons on me and i haven't been saving them, but they are actually super useful in evil even playing weaponless because you use them to foo proof things like wands and rings 18:03 like i try to always fooproof death and teleport wands, but dammit my death wands keep getting canceled. and I don't know a solution to that other than keep bagged obviously 18:04 really sucks though because death wands are very rare (orcus no longer has one) and i basically always have to wish for at least one in the endgame. the canceling realy sucks 18:04 rare? well one of these ogres in a previous game had one and took me down with it 18:05 hehe 18:06 -!- cccrow has joined #evilhack 18:06 yeah come to think of it i had magic resistance when i did the castle but something kept hitting me with one and drained me to like 60max ho 18:06 hp 18:06 it varies 18:08 !time 18:08 cccrow: Sat Jun 12 18:08:59 2021 EDT 18:09 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Con Hum Fem Cha), 772 points, T:1454, killed by a crossbow bolt 18:09 actually I can probably get wands of death just by sitting around in the quest long enough 18:09 these ogres have a lot of attack wands 18:09 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Con Hum Fem Cha), 2 points, T:36, killed by a jackal 18:14 wait, so now I'm back at the quest start level with the artifact, what's my motivation for talking to the quest leader again? nonzero chance he'll just demand the arti right? 18:15 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:16 the bell won't work or something 18:20 yeah the bell won't work when you need to use it. I need to go back and kill the grand master 18:20 and that's communicated to the player how? they kick off the asc run and then just fizzle out? 18:20 but the bell *will* work if I kill him? the flavor on this is weird 18:20 when you talk the quest leader he'll ask for the artifact and you can say yes or no and if you say no you fight 18:21 yeah but how does killing him "lift the curse on the bell" 18:21 magic 18:21 unless he was the guy who put it there in the first place? 18:21 so yo understand how it works? you're asking like philosophical shit? lol 18:22 well at first I didn't understand why I should bother talking to him 18:22 why would your quest leader be mad at you? I know why mine is mad 18:22 now that I know why I should bother him, I am poking holes in the narrative 18:22 i don't understand how it effects anyone but monks and knights much 18:22 you're probably a model barbarian 18:23 well I killed some friendly dwarves and gnomes in the mines 18:23 yeah.. so like you said, it's likely nonzero 18:24 at first i thought you couldn't use the artifact. that would be a lot worse because i usually depend on the eyes for mr, but the bell? don't need until the end anyway so may as well just wait 18:24 anyway he was fine with me keeping it 18:25 good boy :) 18:25 I think disabling an artifact while still allowing it to exist would be a giant smop 18:25 well that's what i thought he was talking about originally! 18:25 it also underlines how alignment is poorly balanced in general once you start to assign a meaningful penalty to each violation 18:26 if I were to have him ask me for it back it would be because I killed a bunch of innocents. you get the grand master asking for it back for... eating a lot of meat 18:27 what would you recommend I do next, ice queen or castle? having just finished quest and armed with reflection, MR, p'hul and cleaver 18:27 I don't think I'm really ready for ice queen even though 100% cold res 18:28 the only fire stuff I have is 2 wands 18:29 -!- cccrow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:32 do you have acid res from anything? 18:33 -!- cccrow has joined #evilhack 18:35 ice queen can be surprisingly tough.. the actual kathryn part . definitely wand acid resistance. didn't you say you had the smock? 18:35 want* 18:36 yes I have an apron 18:36 that's part of why everyone goes for dragonbane (or at least myself) becaues she and demogorgon will both mess you up w/out acid resist 18:36 nice 18:36 don't need comr now with p'hul 18:36 she doesn't have artifact-stealing right? 18:37 i don't think so 18:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 3404 points, T:5859, zombified by a gnoll witherling, while sleeping 18:37 @e?Kathryn the Ice Queen 18:37 Kathryn the Ice Queen (@) | Lvl: 32 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 15 | Res: cold sleep petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 3d4 weapon physical, 8d8 touch cold, 3d8 cast clerical, 3d8 cast spell | Alignment: -128 | Flags: omnivore, flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly 18:37 i usually do castle first 18:37 hm does it do non evilhack 18:38 @le?dissolved undead potato 18:38 dissolved undead potato (M) | Lvl: 36 | Diff: 43 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold sleep poison magic drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: special | AC: -8 | Attacks: 13d4 claw physical, 13d4 breath drain str, 13d4 cast magic missile | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, unsolid, poisonous, nopoly, undead 18:38 but if you have mr and reflection and acid, you should be able to handle her 18:38 i would still get ac as low and hp as high as possible 18:38 ac -11 probably not good enough 18:39 but there aren't enough of these enchant weapon scrolls you say there are lots of 18:39 hehe you'll start seeing player monsters when you go deeper 18:40 if you do castle and get the wand start wishing up dragonscale crap 18:40 it's all about ac in evil imo 18:40 dragonhide 18:41 yeah aosdict it just messages pinoclone 18:41 i lost all my potions in my game to a wand of striking so i'm lkind of screwed for healing potions 18:41 scrolls are never a problem though. i don't know why there's a shortage in your game 18:45 i'm guilty of chilling at altars i guess though 18:46 i don't have the eota (and i'm used to having it) so i've been resting soooo much to regain PW and just end up seeing monsters i guess... only real problem with that is i'm reading through spellbooks now! but you find those too 18:49 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:50 love that ring of p'hul. that's the best part of playing chaotic 18:51 I have killed and tinned a few enemy player monsters 18:56 i know you said you are anti-magic, but keep in mind that those magic staffs exist (so spellcasting isn't out of the question) 19:03 ok so who made these shocking spheres start actually destroying stuff? 19:03 that's a vanilla thing or it came from xnh? 19:07 I think someone tried to credit it to sporkhack but I haven't heard of it being in spork otherwise 19:08 xnh's implementation is original 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:63034 19:08 xnh -> evil, xnh+evil -> vanilla 19:08 i hate it 19:09 you can fooproof rings in evil, which i usually do with free action etc. but i think even then it just gives them a chance to resist? 19:09 speaking of which, i'm going to do that now with my many enchant wepaon scrolls... 19:10 free action is coral. i guess there's not much i can do 19:10 means its inherently fooproof 19:11 so yay 19:13 yep :) 19:21 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: Zzz] 19:24 see, like i was complaining about no healing potions for later, but i just killed a player monster and got 4 extra healings and 4 healings.. that adds up 19:24 plus an invisible potion and 3 spellbooks 19:25 and like the scrolls, it doesn't really matter what they are because i will polypile.. it makes up for the lack of markers 19:27 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Lolth, on T:63326 19:29 dammit lost my slow digestion ring again 19:29 it's a constant freaking thing 19:46 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1] 20:28 There isn't enough water left to ues. The puddle dries up 20:28 sheesh. cheepskate puddles 20:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:64451 20:46 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:66003 20:48 I feel like the puddle should wet your item, THEN dry up 20:48 exactly 20:48 otherwise you have these weird puddles that stand around for thousands of turns but vanish the minute someone reaches down to dip an item in them 20:48 like it didn't have enough water to dilute the stack 20:49 well that's what just happened 20:49 a few times 20:51 it's fine.. i mean, there's always infinite water at the castle/medusa etc. but i usualy keep stash in soko and would always leave one fountain at the oracle to dig down on so i'd have a permanent water hole 20:52 rebatela: the weird puddles I described are what currently exists 20:52 the drying up thing has changed my strategy a bit though.. I will save the water for things that i can't do with cancellation (dilution and things like fruit juice) 20:52 they are weird, and should be changed :) 20:52 yeah i know 20:53 but they are new. so i think they ARE the change (we are agreeing tho) 20:53 finally tamed the medusa titan. now time to pimp him out. Maybe i can take him along for vecna... 20:54 i love this new #loot way of doing things with pets 20:54 I think shallow water's existence in general nicely alleviates one of the more tedious bits of nethack 20:54 namely, stripping off all your rustables and dropping your bag in order to repeatedly jump into deep water 20:54 true 20:55 usually i have flying or water walking by the time the fountains run out, but yeah the puddles are super conveninent. probably too convenient, hence the change 20:55 i just think it's silly to run out mid dip lol 20:57 speaking of fruit juice, it was smoky in my last vanilla game. i think it was 3.43 too. i got a few wishes and then forgot about it, but that can be exploited i think. easy to make a huge stack of sickness in 3.43 or something 20:57 although i guess the odds go down 20:59 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2415 20:59 LMAO 20:59 what about if you have pyec and horn of plenty 21:00 in 3.43 alchemy is way more friendly too. thats the thing. you can mix water and a whole stack and get sickness and then turn that into fj 21:05 3.4.3 alchemy is frankly broken 21:06 That could be said about a lot of 3.4.3 21:11 oh for sure... the funny thing is i never found a gain energy in my entire 3.43 game so i didn't even really take advantage of it i just ascended because i didn't want to waste my gain levels 21:11 i did alchemize a few stacks tho 21:12 that's why it's silly when people try to act like 3.43 is perfect or something.. there's tons of "broken" things and i think some people just could never adjust their strategies 21:14 dammit my titan died 21:15 this vecna level is no joke 21:16 if people really thought 3.4.3 was the One True Version then we would be seeing more pushback on the wiki to gradually phasing its stuff out 21:17 i didn't like 3.6 at first, but then i realized that's whta everyone was going to play and i adjusted 21:17 now it's harder for me to play 3.43 honestly 21:18 The 3.4.3 variants actually bothered to improve on a lot of what was present and "broken" in a few manners 21:18 i guess that's an exaggeration but there's interface things and what not that have gotten better 21:18 For the most part 21:18 Yeah, like imagine not having whether or not you're flying/levitating show on screen 21:19 QoL shit like that 21:19 and not shown in ^X either 21:20 The 3.6 fix for cloned monsters and death drops is p. rational too all things considered 21:23 On the whole, yes; there are legitimate criticisms of the whole glob system though. 21:23 Such as? 21:23 o: 21:23 Namely, the code is a lot more complicated that way. 21:24 I mean I appreciate globs of slime not being ridiculously heavy to carry 21:24 For Some Reason 21:24 A lot of bugs arose and other bits became less stable when you have to account for these weird items that are not corpses but semi-act like them 21:24 (I use slime in the general sense mind) 21:24 and I still don't get merging 21:24 brb 21:24 Yeah, the merging thing could at least make a bigger glob slightly 21:25 But at the same time I sorta get it 21:35 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:68525 21:36 E - an eyeball named The Eye of Vecna 21:37 that was a fight tho 21:45 is it really a piece of food? that's all i got? 21:45 No, its base item is just a comestible, it's capable of a lot 21:45 But very dangerous to use 21:47 so don't eat it? 21:47 hoping theres some good loot back there in chests and what not.. still a couple L's i guess I can geno now 21:48 Eating any part of Vecna is a Very Bad Idea 21:48 * Pinkbeast puts The Dick of Vecna back in the "bad ideas" folder 21:48 lmao 21:50 i think you're the first to get the eye to drop rebatela 21:50 sweet 21:53 Umbire: I don't think I've ever seen anything larger than a small glob and am not sure if larger sizes are even a thing 21:53 Yeah that's what lowkey puzzled me for the longest 22:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17 Yendorians killed the amulet star 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] blergh (Val Hum Fem Law), 1696 points, T:2638, killed by a bolt of lightning