01:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:18 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 02:31 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:46 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:10 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:19 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:29583 03:23 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 03:40 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] wheals (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 22039 points, T:10113, killed by an air elemental 03:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a bone-carved staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:33783 03:53 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:56 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:34005 04:17 i think this is the worst evil hack game i've ever had lol. I kinda just want to die 04:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:37650 04:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37652 04:26 ok, it's slowly getting better. it's just gonna take me 200,000 turns 06:34 -!- cccrow has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:57 -!- cccrow has joined #evilhack 07:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:32 go team slow players! 07:35 I think I'm at 20k ish? 07:35 and just getting past mines and soko 07:36 my unnethack game is getting close to 50k turns 07:36 not even to the castle yet 07:37 oh that's right, where I left off I was standing over the corpses of everything in the bigroom, beating my chest and sounding a war cry 07:37 \o/ 07:42 K2: does ring of p'hul have extra chance to resist being destroyed by shock as it's an artifact? 07:42 it should be immune 07:43 lemme verify 07:44 ooh got a genocide from a throne 07:44 are alhoons eligible? 07:44 um 07:44 yes 07:44 The voice of Vecna fills your mind: "Thou shalt do no harm to alhoons whilst I exist!" 07:44 A dark magic catches the scroll on fire and you burn your hands. 07:44 ^ there's no scroll 07:45 this was from a throne 07:45 BUG ALERT 07:45 is it intended that you can geno alhoon without killing vecna? 07:45 but yeah you cant geno L or alhoons until you destroy vecna 07:45 no its not intended 07:46 alhoons shouldnt have been genocided 07:46 you tried, failed 07:46 they weren't 07:46 once you destroy vecna, have at it 07:46 the throne poofed but what's a good non lichy option for next time 07:46 mf/mmf 07:46 I'm not going to go after vecna. too powerful, I'd rather just put up with liches 07:47 you're going to run into alhoons also 07:47 yeah but I'm going to do that if I go after vecna 07:47 barbarian right? 07:47 !whereis aosdictj 07:47 K2: [hdf-us] aosdictj [evil]: (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) T:18161 The Quest level: 13 07:47 I'd rather take the chance of meeting fewer of them than certainly meeting them and probably dying 07:48 if you defeat Kas, you can use his sword against vecna 07:48 i did that as a dorf wizard and killed him with it 07:48 aosdict do you have any spare wishes 07:48 as a barbarian you'd prob make quick work of him 07:48 amateurhour: no I haven't had any 07:49 did you get scammed at the castle? 07:49 I don't know where you think I am but I am barely past the bigroom 07:49 oh right 07:49 well you can wish for oilskin helm of some kind and that'll protect you 07:50 and then sword of kas should be epic 07:50 assuming you don't get scammed at the castle of course 07:51 what constitutes getting scammed at the castle? soldier gets a key and opens the box and uses up the wand? 07:51 yeah 07:52 an immediate goal is Cleaver but the only usable altar is on DL1 and the stuff that generates there isn't strong enough for saccing 07:53 what do you mean "not strong enough for saccing"? 07:53 I don't get clover when I sac it 07:53 ah 07:53 so I think that means it's not difficult enough for any goodies 07:54 for getting Cleaver it shouldn't matter 07:54 I also don't have any create monster methods so waiting on random spawns and I don't really have enough food for that 07:57 this level had a nice throne room but no altars sadly 08:01 can an illithid player monster eat my brain? 08:02 yes 08:02 they only have one tentacle attack tho 08:02 aosdict, artifacts are immune to shock damage 08:02 (verified) 08:02 well that's just peachy because this priest just destroyed my free action with lightning 08:03 damn priests 08:03 always destroying shit with lightning 08:03 I think he had sdsm though 08:03 oh no, I still have free action, he hit my wand of polymorph 08:07 hmm, any good resistances I can get by eating an illithid player monster? :) 08:08 no :) 08:08 i dont think they count as brain food but they should actually 08:08 just like mf/mmf 08:08 jeez I almost died by taking off my suit and a random locust showed up 08:09 I thought all those "You feel much worse" were going to kill me 08:09 locusts are another good thing to genocide 08:09 depending how frisky the priests get on astral, they can pose a problem if you arent sick res 08:09 well by then I should have phul 08:10 ah right 08:11 wizmode shows that illithid meat does give telepathy but if int gain is a possibility, hasn't happened to me 08:20 ok 08:26 EPI: (YASI, really): If you're levitating or flying, you can see trappers and such like in the ceiling. 08:28 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 08:34 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +7 oilskin cloth elven helm of telepathy", on T:39348 08:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance", on T:39396 08:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:36071 08:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide robe", on T:36076 09:00 Does oilskin helm of telepathy really work? I thought both oilskin and telepathy were properties 09:03 Good to know 09:06 of telepathy doesn't work 09:06 I've tried that myself 09:07 weirdly, it does work in wizard mode 09:08 figured it was worth the shot 09:09 dammit i'm invisible 09:09 going to need a mummy wrap to get wraiths to chase 09:10 are there dragonhide mummy wrappings? I feel like i've seen one 09:10 there are! 09:10 yes 09:10 hehe sweet. it wasnt my imagination 09:10 great to find early game 09:10 right 09:18 -!- cccrow has quit [Quit: cccrow] 09:18 can you wish for a dragonhide oilskin hat? 09:18 no 09:19 I can wish for a dragonhide elven helm but didn't seem to get the oilskin 09:19 has to be cloth 09:22 so what is the exact wish 09:22 "cloth oilskin elven helm"? 09:23 I guess that works 09:23 i did oilskin cloth but i don't think it matters 09:23 you can also be stylish and do oilskin fedora, but then you can't go to +7 09:24 let's be real, if you're wishing for this it's probably not your asc kit gear what with enchant armor being harder to get 09:26 i don't usually have a shortage of enchant armor as the game progresses.. Ideally i would like to have the alhoon hat along with a mitril helm of brilliance or dragonhide elven for when alhoons are gone. I only have 1 wish left tho 09:26 but i'll probably find helm of brilliance or even the dragonhide on a player monster at some point or poly for the hob 09:27 you end up finding way more stuff than you need if you live... 09:27 (because of player monsters) 09:29 polymorph lots of scrolls, then you'll have plenty of enchant armor 09:30 my barbarian is not doing vecna and keeps wearing the stylish fedora 09:36 I'm gonna take a stab at Vecna with the sword instead of the chicken this time 09:38 schweet 09:39 get it? stab? 09:50 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:53 huh a bone battle-axe 09:53 I guess that's a lighter counterpart to my iron one for the same damage 09:57 bonus: it will hit ghosts 10:14 bah. monster just zapped striking at the boulder my stash was under... 10:15 goodbye few potions i did have 10:15 Should have fooproofed your boulder :-) 10:15 24 potions. could have been worse 10:15 hehe 10:15 should have used crystal chest, but haven't seen one 10:16 luckily i didn't have that much stuff anyway (i've lost hundreds before ) 10:16 24 is recoverable 10:17 i want to altar camp for like 100,000 turns and collect potions to alchemize and scrolls to poly. i only have 100 hit points. kinda sucks 10:17 idk how you have the patience for that, impressive 10:20 Argh 4 master liches BLOWS 10:20 5 items unblessed, Dragonbane cancelled 10:21 I wish you could "stack" blessings on your bag of holding with additional dips ahead of time :-) 10:21 Go ahead curse away at my 20-blessed bag 10:22 I wish there was an artifact wand of nothing that absorbed all the curses :) 10:23 dnh has an artifact grappling hook that does that, and it's great 10:25 i just noticed you're not wearing boots, krm26... watch out for footrices 10:25 Centaur 10:25 ahh 10:25 nvm 10:25 Thx for looking out for me tho! 10:25 sure :) 10:25 Stupid drum doesn't scare anything in evilhack 10:26 It scares my pets usually))) 10:26 Cancelling my dragonbane means I can't hit spectres any more 10:26 I hadn't considered how that can really crush me, glad this isn't a critical place 10:27 yeah you can get traped 10:27 happens to me with ghosts sometimes in the early game before i can bless gloves 10:27 As a centaur monk I should be able to smash holy water on myself to bless my hooves so I can kick ghosts 10:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Mal Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:36510 10:33 Ok, I'm a moron. I used the Sword of Kas to uncurse it with my unskilled spell: Your arms are not free to cast! 10:34 fjdkfjdskf 10:35 Can't open my stash for a scroll either, or get in my bag -- I'm really forked 10:36 Going to starve to death 10:36 :/ 10:36 could pray 10:36 I've done that before 10:36 vecna's domain is not considered gehennom 10:36 Has it always worked that way? Can't cast wielding a cursed 2h weapon? 10:36 fountain dip might work out if you can get back out 10:37 I can't pray. 10:37 So sez the Eyes 10:37 yeah it's been that way since 3.4.3 I think 10:37 le bleh 10:37 Damn this character was great but I don't think I can recover from using the sword 10:37 can you leave and fountain dip somewhere? 10:37 or tip your boh and get holy water out? 10:37 I'm trying to ascend before starving 10:37 I already used the holy water so I could hit ghosts with my cancelled dragonbane :-P 10:38 Wasn't carrying a scroll of remove curse because I can cast it 10:38 you're completely out of holy water? :( 10:38 can you just #tip the bag? 10:38 I only carried 2 with me 10:38 oh 10:38 4 arch liches consumed them 10:39 I can eat monsters I guess 10:39 I already blew my conduct on wraiths 10:39 do you have fountains to dip into? it will uncursed eventually i think? 10:40 i had this happen not long ago. fucking sucks. same thing. i forgot you need hands to cast 10:40 I'm ascending...phew, found some food I left lying around in the valley 10:40 i think i tipped my bag 10:40 nice 10:40 Can the castle fountain do stuff, or just normal dungeon fountains? 10:41 it's a special level so it will NOT be a magic fountain 10:41 is uncursing a magic thing? 10:41 I thought any fountain worked for it 10:41 i thought that worked at any fountain 10:41 right 10:41 but you can't quaff it to gain ability 10:42 All I care about is uncursing my 2h weapon 10:43 Hmm, maybe just magic fountains uncurse 10:43 when you get that message you feel a loss or something is when it would have done it 10:44 Wow, 3rd dip, first fountain -- *phew* 10:44 YOU ARE FOILED AGAIN K2 10:44 nice! 10:44 hehe 10:44 Time to go repair my costume 10:44 man, i know the feeling. did the exact same thing 10:45 In total dishabile 10:50 after that happened to me i swore i was going to start carrying an emergency bag with a holy water and blessed rem curse scroll or whatever to tip like i've seen other people do even in vanilla for if the wizard curses BoH, but i keep forgetting 10:51 Yeah, oilskin with blessed remove curse, holy water, cursed teleport, cursed gain level and a k-ration :-) 10:51 i think some people put a scroll of scare monster in there too so you can tip with one turn 10:51 I'm selling those on level 9 10:51 krm26: do all your successes in evilhack feel like personal defeats of K2? 10:51 haha 10:51 Only since he started stealing my wishes 10:52 lulz 10:52 lies 10:52 i want you to win 10:52 i just want you to have to work for it 10:52 hey do you remember that time K2 deleted krm's dragonbane 10:53 just remoted in and *bam* gloves gone 10:53 more lies 10:53 That game was not amazing for my blood pressure 11:11 I have to get used to just leaving the bell of opening lying around until it is time for the ritual -- I always drag it with me and it gets cancelled and then I need to charge it 11:11 Just hate leaving stuff lying around 11:11 Not sure why you aren't allowed to put it in a container 11:12 I wonder how many iron golems I need to create to find a single shuriken 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2354 points, T:4516, killed by a watch captain 11:31 I thought Eyes of the Overworld protected me from magical eyes but one stole my luck 11:34 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/355900699790d8555665a6e8c9965d609e5c3cb4 11:35 you gotta do the multiturn dance to remove eyes and put on blindfold :( 11:37 Wow, partial protection from stoning, cancellation, and disintegration -- so you are right, mandatory blindfold and alternate MR. Ugh, worse than the ranger quest artifact 11:37 Good to know 11:38 lol 11:39 makes OotO awesome / players still find reason to complain 11:39 They would be awesome if it didn't take swapping multiple pieces of gear to blind yourself and blinding yourself was still required 11:40 Having to giving up 1-turn total cancel/destruction/petrification proofing is (IMO) too extreme for any possible benefit to make it worthwhile 11:40 so what it doesnt protect against is magical eyes fire/cold/luck attack. by the time you encounter magical eyes you already have fire/cold res, and getting luck back is *simple* 11:40 I wouldn't wear Dragonbane in that circumstance (alas my love) 11:40 Oh, the stuff it doesn't protect against AT ALL is fine, I think, and totally reasonable 11:41 so whats wrong with the partial bit? 11:41 it turns those into just physical damage 11:41 Maybe I'm misunderstanding? "Maybe protect from stoning and canceling" 11:41 originally you got stoned and died 11:41 because for the dangerous things it doesn't work for you lose a turn 11:41 OH, you mean, instead of getting cancelled you lose some hits? Then I will do an about-face, they are great 11:41 'Partial protection - the wearer is protected from the main effect of the gaze attack, but they will take physical damage to varying degrees.' 11:41 Totally my bad then, I apologize! 11:41 Burning my towel 11:42 hah 11:42 I read that as "Maybe you won't get stoned" 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1755 11:42 the eyes are great 11:42 Maybe == deeply unhappy 11:42 the word 'maybe' isnt present in that commit lol 11:42 the only downside for me is blind telepathy requires removing them and putting towel on, but i just try to learn det monsters asap 11:43 it's worth it for me to get MR from that slot 11:44 is there a vegan way to get telepathy or do you use amulet of ESP? 11:44 I'd even by happy if you got stunned for a round each time the Eyes prevented the stone/cancel/destroy beholder glance 11:44 monks get it by leveling 11:44 oh I forgot that rebatela levels up really high usually 11:44 I don't normally level up except incidentally but there is a powerful reason to do so with monks 11:44 and never plays vegan 11:44 For magic missile & intrinsics 11:45 oh do you try for weaponless but never for vegan? 11:45 yeah magic missile is much better at lvl 30 11:45 for some reason I thought you did both 11:45 nah. just weaponless usually 11:45 I tried for both weaponless and vegan, then accidentally ate a wraith and so decided to say f it and use the sword of Kas on Vecna 11:45 this game i'm using magicbane, but i usually do martial arts. not so much for the conduct just because i like it 11:45 I can resist the first few wraith corpses but eventually my fingers forget they aren't supposed to eat them 11:45 i think charm monster works better at high xp too? 11:45 haha vegan is probs harder in evilhack because of all the wraiths that'll get you to the intrinsics 11:46 Honestly, my nutritionist says that wraiths are vegan 11:46 lol 11:46 I think ethically collected wraiths should be vegan 11:46 aren't they negative nutrtition? 11:46 but you can still choke... 11:46 If you think about it, shouldn't undead be considered vegan but not vegetarian? A category unavailable in the real world 11:47 really makes you think 11:47 I like it 11:47 evilhack has those new intrisincs for high level monk now too 11:48 disease and stoning i believe? 11:48 water walking 11:48 right 11:48 disintegration, sickness 11:48 Speaking of which -- how does centaur monk water walking work on lava? 11:48 the additional intrinsitcs are on the wiki 11:49 K2: fix eoto by allowing you to wear a sack on your head (helm slot) for blindness and cha:6 11:49 finally the crossover YANI we needed! 11:49 actually wait, that wouldn't work because you could still see whatever astrally 11:49 hah 11:49 the eyes are the device of "can't unsee" 11:50 telepathy at 20, water walking at 23, stoning resistance at 25, disintegration resistance at 27, and sickness resistance at 30 11:50 That is a really nice change, although I think maybe a little overly spread out -- 30 is getting up there 11:50 I'm never getting past like 17 or so with vegan probs, but if you break vegan you can get there no problem with vecna's lair 11:51 Vecna's first 2 levels got me up to 25 11:51 did you lure the wraiths through the portal? 11:51 Nah, too lazy 11:52 it reminds me of what you can do with the priest quest 11:52 casting cm just inside the portal 11:52 yeah 11:52 i used to get crazy hp and pw when i'd play priest in vanilla 11:52 krm26 to answer your question about centaur monks walking on lava at level 23+ 11:52 because you get fire res prior 11:52 it works 11:52 any race 11:53 Sweet 11:53 you still have to make sure stuff in open inv is fireproofed 11:54 alright back in a bit 11:54 amateurhour: there's this idea about dissolving wraith corpses in acid to produce gain level potions... 11:54 that's a really cool idea 11:54 is that on the archive? I don't remember seeing it 11:54 you could do alchemy too (lev and enlightenment ) 11:54 You could presumably dissolve any corpse in acid for its intrinsic -- but you're still left with something acidic to drink, bleagh 11:54 although they are kind of rare potions i end up with more of them in evil than vanilla 11:55 or of course polypile for gl 11:56 oh I see it now on the archive 11:56 problem with lev and enlightenment is they blow up a lot, but sometimes i'll get a nice stack of gain levels 11:57 i usually at least try it before the ascension run 11:57 there's also sleeping around for xlvls, I did that a lot in tnnt 11:57 I never bother alchemy for gain level, I'm happy with full healing 11:58 one time when evil first came out i hid like no lie 20 cursed gain levels under a boulder on the vibrating square level, but then i died before i could do the invocation 11:58 i think that's when the sea dragon got me 11:58 or something stupid. i was so pissed! 11:59 Grrr sea dragons 11:59 I genocide those fuckers all the time 11:59 yeah that's another great thing about giants... 11:59 Which reminds me, I'm screwing around trying to do vecna and still haven't found genocide 12:00 polypile 12:00 (done it, need more raw materials to do more) 12:09 Geez on my way back to vecna my Dragonbane was unblessed 2 more times -- how much holy water an I supposed to carry 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 826 points, T:2788, killed by a hobbit 12:16 Hah, it seems like every single curse/disenchant/cancel directly targets my Dragonbane 12:16 Cursed, cancelled, deteriorated 12:19 damn liches cast reflection now huh? 12:20 Oh yeah 12:20 Nethack really needs a dispel magic spell in addition to cancellation 12:20 I'd also love anti-magic shell 12:29 My planning is so poor -- gonna be 4 trips to my stash before actually tackling Vecna 12:31 -!- lacca[m] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:31 heh. i'm at about the same turncount as you and haven't done ice queen branch or valley of dead yet 12:33 Are we gonna have a slow-off? I'm usually pretty chelonian 12:42 oh man.. i'm gonna be at like 60k turns before i even decide whether to do vecna 12:42 hey can you tell me what level the repair armor spell is ? 12:42 i have things casting shit at MY armor now 12:43 3 12:43 thanks 12:43 i've id'd it, but might have to write it 12:43 Just used it on my poor dragonbane 12:43 why are dragonhide artifacts deteriorating again? 12:44 Spells 12:44 Powerful enough to deteriorate anything -- evilhack baby 12:44 I think it is very reasonable given how relatively commonplace fixed materials are 12:46 one of the reason i'm taking so many damn turns is because i have to keep resting to restore PW to cast poly, which keeps failing. I'm so used to having Eota... i almost always wish for it 12:47 but couldn't because of artifact count. I forgot how much spellcasting sucks w/out it 12:48 What are you polypiling for? 12:49 spellbooks 12:49 i guess i will just write that repair armor one since i've seen it 12:50 You look plenty kitted out to go smash through gehennom top to bottom -- will get you a few poly wands and spellbooks that way without waiting around 12:50 Health a little low I guess 12:50 yeah. but things are going to keep destryoing my armor. I'm gonna need to learn the spell 12:51 Sure, but you don't need it immediately -- if it ever becomes pressing you can stall out then but I wouldn't do it preemptively (unless you just enjoy it, I like to sit around spinning my wheels sometimes to recover) 12:51 true 12:52 Looks like we're in a race! 12:52 yeah we have pretty similar situations. you have a lot more hipoints 12:52 I alchemied up a stack of healing 12:52 i got drained a bunch clearing out castle. something kept zapping me with death wand and draining my maxhp 12:52 then i lost all my potions in my stash so couldn't do alchemy 12:52 I don't want to look at vecna with under 200 hits 12:53 yeah. i'm probably going to nurse dance 12:53 Ugh I just can't deal with that...I'll get 2 or 3 hp and give up 12:53 Ok, enough stalling, off to vecna for real 12:54 hehe good luck 12:54 i need to take a break. getting burned out and that's when i do something dumb 12:55 Yup. My other failure mode is coming back from a break and not remembering everything I should remember for the first 100 or so moves 12:55 youve beaten vecna before right? oh yeah rubber chicken! 12:55 yeah that's the other extreme haha. i do the same thing 12:55 I try to save when i'm not in the middle of something that i need to rmemeber 12:57 Good news is that shambling horrors aren't awful in this game -- disenchant, decay, breath fire, spit blind 12:57 I've had a huge string of paralyze, engulf, stone, sicken 12:57 better than beheading... 12:57 is there a way to tell? probing or something ? 12:57 Once you see one then the normal / command tells you 12:57 i'm not sure what they are in my game. i've been able to keep distance 12:58 oh ok i didn't know that ! 12:58 (I only learned that like a week or two ago in this channel :-) 12:58 thanks! 12:58 that's huge! 12:58 i always forget about the / command (as in, i've never used it) 12:58 krm26: you can also do it from game start 12:58 Seriously? That's...not very evil 12:58 sh 12:59 K2: aosdict suggested not showing shambling horror attacks in the / interface 12:59 what do you mean from the game start? 12:59 You can find out right now, he means 13:00 "/ ? shambling horror Enter" 13:00 see if I ever trust you with evilhack secrets again 13:00 oh wow 13:00 oim a stinker 13:00 scumming for horrors :^) 13:00 heh 13:00 nurse should be one of their potential abilities 13:01