00:03 <tinklebear> anyways, good luck aosdict.
00:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a magical twisted staff entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:24035
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04:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] bhaak (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 77 points, T:362, killed by an electric shock
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04:56 <bhaak> this variant sucks
04:56 <bhaak> it has secret corridors and secret doors
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05:04 <amateurhour> TRUE
05:07 <bhaak> literally unplayable!
05:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] bhaak (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 679 points, T:869, killed by a dart
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06:57 <bhaak> something I thought about in general ... there's no game related info about dungeon features in the encyclopedia
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07:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] bhaak (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:703
07:05 <bhaak> lol, fuck off
07:05 <amateurhour> did you get mobbed?
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07:08 <bhaak> apparently in evilhack, the elves are very possessive about their shitty artifacts
07:08 <amateurhour> yep, I don't really get it
07:09 <mobileuser> I asked abou that
07:09 <mobileuser> the answer: NO FREEBIES :b 
07:11 <amateurhour> there's already a punishment for naming sting - sting now exists in your game :P
07:12 <aosdict> that's not a punishment under the xnh system, which I thought evil had?
07:12 <aosdict> for the most part at least
07:12 <amateurhour> what do you mean? artiwishing rules are like vanilla iirc
07:13 <amateurhour> except for the owners turning up to gank you of course
07:18 <rebatela> yeah. no. that would be awesome if it was like xnh, aosdict. but any artifact you see counts towards you not getting wish (not just wished for ones)
07:19 <rebatela> so screw people who name sting (sorry bhaak)
07:21 <rebatela> i know i could always turn bones off, but what fun is that ? 
07:24 <bhaak> hmm, wishing for Thiefbane gets you 1ES? is that a YANI or a loop hole? :-)
07:26 <amateurhour> there's no black market in evilhack unless I blinked and missed a major update
07:27 <bhaak> bug, a cancelled floating eye gets a corpse that still can give you telepathy
07:28 <bhaak> no, no blackmarket in evil but more of a general idea for those that have
07:34 <aosdict> that's not a bug, canceling a monster doesn't remove its corpse intrinsics
07:34 <aosdict> in no variant does that happen
07:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] bhaak (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 653 points, T:1662, zombified by a gnome zombie, while helpless
07:36 <bhaak> that it doesn't happen in any variant doesn't mean it's not a bug
07:36 <amateurhour> zambos claim another life
07:37 <bhaak> why was I helples? because I was fast travelling?
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07:39 <amateurhour> !lastgame bhaak 
07:39 <Hecubus> amateurhour: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bhaak/evilhack/dumplog/1622971061.evil.html
07:40 <amateurhour> while you were climbing stairs I guess
07:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Neu), 34294 points, T:16307, killed by a bolt of fire
07:43 <aosdict> holy crap
07:43 <aosdict> ogre with wand of fire just came out of nowhere, hit me multiple times, no chance to get away
07:43 * aosdict sighs and rolls up a new barb
07:48 <aosdict> "You hear burning fleecy bundles!" wtf?
07:49 <bhaak> amateurhour: no, I was fast travelling to the next pair of stairs
07:49 <bhaak> or at least running
07:49 <bhaak> I was in a corridor. no stairs there
07:52 <aosdict> I just got "You feel like a new dwarf" while wandering through a corridor on dl2. what could have produced that? there is no obvious poly effect but it looks like my stats got shuffled (making me incredibly ugly)
07:52 <aosdict> oh one of these uncursed rings must be polymorph
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07:53 <bhaak> wielding unidentified rings is a brave act
07:54 <aosdict> well usually polymorph is cursed
07:55 <aosdict> where the heck is this shop
07:56 <bhaak> only with a chance of 90% 
07:56 <aosdict> geez it was well hidden
07:57 <aosdict> bhaak: unnethack has eliminated secret doors and passages but has it eliminated "The door resists!"?
07:58 <bhaak> aosdict: when opening, yes.
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08:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:86956
08:24 <aosdict> yikes, I really am u g l y
08:35 <VaderFLAG> Well I wasn't gonna say it
08:35 <aosdict> thanks VaderFLAG, I guess I always know who's got my back and who doesn't
08:35 <VaderFLAG> I said I WASNT going to say it
08:35 <aosdict> and who doesn't
08:35 <VaderFLAG> haha
08:36 <VaderFLAG> bhaak one of the adjustments I had to make to evilhack was to stop fast travel in the early game for zombie safety
08:36 <VaderFLAG> the phases where you don't have a unicorn horn, and then later when you don't have free action and gel cubes can spawn are no no fast travel for me
08:40 <aosdict> hmmmm
08:40 <aosdict> 50% chance I have a poly/poly control combo
08:40 <VaderFLAG> nice
08:40 <VaderFLAG> !lastgame aosdictj
08:40 <Hecubus> VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aosdictj/evilhack/dumplog/1622804908.evil.html
08:40 <aosdict> any great evilhack polyforms or is it just the same old vampire king and mmf?
08:41 <amateurhour> mobi used vampire mage for a while iirc
08:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Con Hum Fem Cha), 14 points, T:44, killed by a sewer rat
08:47 <aosdict> I also have a blessed 150-tier ring that does not have any obvious effect when worn, so hoping it's increase damage
08:49 <mobileuser> instead of mmf, alhoon works even better
08:50 <mobileuser> drawback of vampire mage is that you roast i hell
08:50 <mobileuser> *in hell
08:54 <aosdict> far too early for that
08:54 <aosdict> note that these barbs keep splatting in or after soko
08:55 <VaderFLAG> I didn't see a thonged club in your enfuego'd barb inventory
08:56 <mobileuser> AC:-10 is also squishy
08:57 <aosdict> VaderFLAG: I'll keep a lookout for an aklys this time around in the mines
09:01 <aosdict> I assume just because it's a decent-ish way of hitting things at range?
09:08 <VaderFLAG> Yes
09:08 <VaderFLAG> folks like barbs that don't have other good options
09:08 <VaderFLAG> and it's worth training club up with it too
09:08 <VaderFLAG> good for zombies, nymphs, spheres
09:08 <VaderFLAG> especially if you're invis
09:08 <aosdict> yeah not like all these skill slots are going anywhere...
09:08 <VaderFLAG> yeah
09:09 <VaderFLAG> I end up putting one point in club in almost every melee game in evilhack
09:11 <VaderFLAG> a silver aklys is one of the best things you can find in the mines
09:12 <aosdict> I can do a copper aklys :P
09:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Cha), 1523998 points, T:96612, petrified by a beholder
09:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 484 points, T:2406, killed by a giant mosquito
09:45 <VaderFLAG> !lastgame elron
09:45 <Hecubus> VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1622752815.evil.html
09:46 <aosdict> VaderFLAG: ooh how about a mithril aklys. orcbane
09:46 <VaderFLAG> Yes good for not getting rusty
09:47 <VaderFLAG> Not many orcs you'll want to use it on tho
09:47 <aosdict> I mean, last game I had orc temple mines end
09:48 <VaderFLAG> oh I guess that would be a good place for it
09:48 <aosdict> better than copper anyway
09:48 <aosdict> unless fighting molds lol
10:00 <aosdict> huh, are these stone orcish boots... of telepathy?
10:00 <aosdict> guess so!
10:02 <aosdict> rip Rocky, killed by lack of a protective bobble hat
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10:02 <K2> morning :)
10:04 <amateurhour> Rocky :(
10:04 <K2> i see bhaak discovered what happens when you name Sting
10:05 <aosdict> VaderFLAG: yep orc temple again
10:05 <tinklebear> dobro jutro, K2
10:05 <K2> 'lol, fuck off' is now my new email sig
10:05 <K2> tinklebear?
10:05 <tinklebear> "good morning"
10:05 <K2> neat, what language?
10:06 <tinklebear> serbo-croatian
10:06 <K2> ah
10:08 <tinklebear> I see VaderFLAG's going to have everyone killing Kaen with an aklys now
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10:08 * tinklebear reads some more backscroll
10:09 <tinklebear> and aosdict -- you were burdened
10:09 <aosdict> medium creatures are 'small' for the purpose of weapon damage right?
10:09 <aosdict> tinklebear: the idea was to leave the quest and get unburdened
10:09 <tinklebear> ah, I see
10:10 <aosdict> trying to estimate whether I get better damage by mithril aklysing the orcs in the orc temple or whether I should just use my battle-axe
10:11 <K2> <aosdict> "You hear burning fleecy bundles!" wtf? <--- forge sounds whilst halucinating
10:11 <aosdict> mithril is d3+3 so that's d6+d3+3 for mithril aklys, versus 1d8+1d4 axe
10:11 <bhaak> K2: it didn't kill me. I didn't give you that much satisfaction :-p
10:12 <aosdict> so same cap, but unskilled in club and skilled in axe so axe it is
10:12 <K2> :P
10:13 <aosdict> ok this seems like a bug
10:13 <aosdict> o        an orc (warg, being ridden)
10:13 <aosdict> it is in fact an orc rider but I want to see what kind of orc it is
10:15 <aosdict> because the o is what's shown on the map
10:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Con Hum Fem Cha), 2266 points, T:3339, killed by a mountain dwarf
10:29 <aosdict> ok neato I do have poly control. time to show these orcs what an alhoon is
10:30 <mobileuser> heh
10:31 <aosdict> almost died the first time around
10:31 * tinklebear notices that alhoons are mercifully slower than other (living) mind flayers
10:31 <aosdict> luckily my scroll that I thought was cursed teleport, was
10:32 <K2> aosdict thanks for the things you're putting on the etherpad
10:32 <K2> but, you're putting bugs under the 'other bits and things and stuff' section, not 'bugs' section
10:35 <aosdict> well maybe you shouldn't have a miscellaneous section :)
10:39 <K2> you make my OCD sad
11:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a heavy mace entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:2536
11:05 <K2> thx aosdict
11:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an alhoon, on T:7450
11:05 <aosdict> muahahahahaHAHAHAHAHA
11:05 <rebatela> hehe i thought you were joking 
11:05 <K2> :)
11:06 <aosdict> this is seriously my best shot at taking mines end
11:06 <K2> which minesend did you get?
11:06 <aosdict> orc temple
11:06 <aosdict> again
11:06 <aosdict> kinda boring the second time
11:06 <K2> love that one
11:06 <rebatela> i's not that hard
11:06 <rebatela> altars to convert too 
11:06 <aosdict> yeah well I had to escape the first time
11:06 <aosdict> I want to maximize my altars
11:06 <K2> its easy to get caught out in the open on that map
11:07 <rebatela> yeah just take it slow make a choke point or whatever. 
11:07 <K2> so, not so easy
11:07 <rebatela> the wargs do a lot of damage and yeah don't get caught in the open.  
11:07 <rebatela> I didn't say it was "easy" 
11:07 <aosdict> I was getting hit on both sides of a choke point
11:09 <aosdict> "Blessed are the destroyers of false hope, for they are the true Messiahs."
11:09 <aosdict> I am the true Messiah! your temple is false! your hope is false!
11:09 <K2> f a k e   n e w s
11:10 <K2> lol
11:10 <tinklebear> I like how the cursed figurine at the goal-end of that mines-end variant creates the suspense of a count-down
11:10 <aosdict> moloch keeps sending succubi to defend his altars
11:10 <rebatela> oh no there was another beholder death! :( 
11:12 <VaderFLAG> on dlvl3 no less -- lucky no bones
11:12 <VaderFLAG> woulda been pretty evil
11:12 <VaderFLAG> ooo evilhack should allow bones on any level
11:12 <VaderFLAG> or 1-3 at least, not the special ones
11:13 <tinklebear> that's a whole lotta bones
11:13 <tinklebear> speaking for my own deaths, at least
11:14 <aosdict> tinklebear: if I stash the figurine it doesn't trigger right?
11:14 <tinklebear> that is my understanding, aosdict
11:14 <tinklebear> (and limited experience)
11:14 <K2> yeah
11:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7817
11:16 <aosdict> I just got bitten by a dust vortex
11:16 <aosdict> ???
11:16 <tinklebear> they do some damage!
11:16 <aosdict> yeah if you're already blind, but... bite??
11:17 <tinklebear> was not aware that blindness figured into this
11:17 <tinklebear> *I
11:19 <K2> minor bug
11:19 <K2> qt pointed it out awhile ago and i forgot
11:24 <aosdict> hey why can gnolls fly into a berserker rage but I can't
11:24 <aosdict> barbarian rage for evilhack when
11:24 <aosdict> can that go on the etherpad under miscellaneous things and bits and stuff
11:26 <aosdict> gauntlets of protection \o/
11:26 <amateurhour> \o/
11:28 <K2> ... CARL
11:32 * tinklebear has decided this Carl must be the next-door neighbor from Aqua-Teen Hunger Force
11:33 <K2> lol
11:34 <tinklebear> didn't know he had a crossbow, but now I do!
11:34 <aosdict> does flying over lava make your possessions burn up
11:34 <aosdict> or is it just walking on top
11:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6107
11:40 <K2> just walking
11:44 <aosdict> yeah I risked it
11:44 <aosdict> not worth it, only thing in the iron safes was a ring
11:45 <aosdict> where is my cleaver darn it >:(
11:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:25987
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11:57 <tinklebear> mounted, on a square with four chests, I zap probing downward.
11:57 <tinklebear> I find out all about my steed's possessions, and nothing about the chests
11:57 <tinklebear> lol
11:57 <tinklebear> this is a little weird, though.
11:58 <tinklebear> if I zap probing at a whole column of orcs, it doesn't stop at the first one
11:58 <tinklebear> so what is so special about the '>' direction?
11:59 <tinklebear> and if I zap cancel downward, while mounted, and on top of a pile of loot, do I *only* cancel my steed?
12:05 <amateurhour> YAJI: a trophy for ascending after being permanently changed into a zombie/shade/etc
12:06 <K2> ^ hell yeah
12:07 <K2> tinklebear zapping downwards whilst on a steed, that would be vanilla behavior
12:07 <K2> i'm not 100% sure as i dont use steeds often
12:07 <tinklebear> that it affects the steed is, yes.
12:07 <Pinkbeast> Don't you feel the need? The need for steed?
12:07 <tinklebear> lol, Pinkbeast
12:08 * tinklebear uses "steed" so as not to be inaccurate and call a cauchemar a "horse"
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12:13 <aosdict> amateurhour: I feel like what would happen with that is, people would just go to astral and revgeno whatever is most likely to turn them after death on the high altar
12:13 <amateurhour> lol
12:13 <amateurhour> how likely do you think it is?
12:13 <amateurhour> the one with the best chance by far is 1/3
12:13 <aosdict> well for green slime it's a 50% chance
12:13 <aosdict> in xnh at least
12:14 <amateurhour> so that's 50% chance of blowing your game for a trophy
12:14 <aosdict> yes
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12:14 <aosdict> people would definitely do that
12:14 <amateurhour> noone is gonna do it
12:14 <amateurhour> who's willing to put the time and effort in evilhack to get to astral to flip a coin?
12:17 * tinklebear is a little perplexed by the whole point of trophies generally
12:18 <amateurhour> gotta collect em all
12:18 * tinklebear laughs
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12:27 <tinklebear> for the record, I would have expected a beam zapped downward while mounted to affect not only the steed, but everything on the square (including buried under the floor).
12:28 <tinklebear> I'll check vanilla behavior next time I have a wand of probing and a mount, but that'll probably not be too soon.
12:29 * tinklebear never wizmodes. never once!
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12:40 <qt> i just tested it in vanilla
12:41 <qt> when you are mounted it only reports information about your mount
12:41 <qt> nothing about something buried
12:44 <tinklebear> that is really interesting, qt. thank you!
12:44 <qt> i agree that it is not what I would have expected...
12:47 <qt> looks like it's because it goes through 'zap_steed' instead of 'zap_updown'
12:56 * tinklebear tries to comprehend src/zap.c, but it crumbles to dust
12:58 <qt> i think you would just need to do this to make it also show buried items
12:58 <qt> https://termbin.com/ieu1
13:00 <qt> that is vanilla btw but evilhack would be a similar change
13:02 <K2> neat
13:08 <tinklebear> display_binventory() is for the buried stuff, right? will stuff lying on the ground get missed?
13:09 <qt> oh, yes it will
13:09 <qt> i forgot about that
13:11 <tinklebear> you did one of those pedagogical typos!
13:14 <tinklebear> (it looks like a typo, but it is really an exercise)
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19:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 55597 points, T:23908, killed by a barrow wight, while sleeping
19:21 <K2> oh damn
19:21 <K2> !lastgame lacca
19:21 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1622990783.evil.html
19:23 <K2> :/
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20:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful housecat, on T:2955
20:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a stout spear entrusted to her by Mog, on T:3417
20:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 586 points, T:936, killed by a narrow pointy spike
20:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "bob", on T:4118
20:59 <aosdict> woo another barbarian who knows healing
21:00 <Umbire> Let's go, unorthodox playstyles!
21:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Mog, on T:5391
21:08 <aosdict> he also knows light and detect food
21:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Con Hum Fem Cha), 252 points, T:360, killed by a giant bat
21:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a large shield entrusted to her by Mog, on T:11028
21:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16437
21:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Con Hum Fem Cha), 1106 points, T:2005, killed by a giant mosquito
22:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca the wraith, and former Empiric, on T:17950
22:12 <Umbire> Hey, K2. What changes if any did you make to Dispater?
22:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 976 points, T:1460, killed by a Woodland-elf
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22:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) permanently converted to chaotic, on T:9298
22:23 <aosdict> oh crap
22:23 <aosdict> that wasn't intentional
22:23 <aosdict> rip me
22:24 <Umbire> :c
22:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Cha), 19618 points, T:9930, died of starvation, while frozen by a monster's gaze
22:25 <aosdict> hit a floating eye and dead
22:26 <K2> :/
22:27 <K2> Umbire, he carries a magical rod as a weapon
22:28 <Umbire> Staff of striking?
22:28 <Umbire> Artifact rod?
22:28 <Umbire> I'm just spitballing for the sake of it, it's probably neither of those but.
22:30 <K2> its just a rod with an obj property
22:30 <K2> rod is a new weapon type in evilhack, like a mace
22:30 <K2> if you search the commit history on the evilhack repo you'll see it
22:33 <Umbire> I saw it on the wiki, yes.
22:33 <Umbire> So what's the object property, then?
22:34 <K2> i think i made it a bit random
22:34 <K2> i need to check
22:35 <K2> yup random
22:35 <K2> its always made of gold however
22:43 <arahael> aosdict: You could still have done the quest, I think.
22:43 <aosdict> found a crystal dwarvish mattock but this will not deal any bonus damage, right?
22:44 <Umbire> Gold is on-brand for him at least.
22:44 <Umbire> I went digging through D&D stuff while troping NetHack, so.
22:45 <K2> aosdict yes it will
22:45 <K2> +3
22:45 <K2> hmm wait, is mattock considered bashing weapon still
22:46 <aosdict> yes
22:46 <K2> ah yeah... then no
22:47 <K2> crystal weapons give a nice damage boost if they are piercing/slashing
22:54 <aosdict> so I found a steel one too
22:55 <aosdict> that's +1 damage but heavier and can deteriorate
22:55 <Umbire> Steel's fooproofed, I though.
22:55 <Umbire> thought*
22:56 <aosdict> magical deterioration
22:56 <Umbire> Minus the destroy armor spell--
22:56 <Umbire> Yeah.
22:56 <aosdict> although, destroy armor won't target a mattock
22:56 <aosdict> unless I wear it as a hat
22:56 <Umbire> Or a hattock, even.
22:57 <Umbire> K2: Does Dispater have a rusting passive?
22:58 <K2> no
22:58 <Umbire> Ah.
22:59 <Umbire> Rusting touch?
22:59 <K2> no
23:02 <Umbire> Baw.
23:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3898 points, T:4186, killed by a gray unicorn
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23:16 <aosdict> new game, kobold zombie kills my dog (not even with illness, just phys) before T:100
23:17 <Umbire> F.
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