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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:42 eucalyptus get 08:46 \o/ 08:47 idea: since there are so many zombies in evilhack, the first or second level of sokoban should contain some eucalyptus as part of the random food 08:51 nah 08:51 i upped the % chance of those spawning, plus its easier to find trees 08:56 ah that explains why I've gotten eucalyptus from every oracle that had trees 09:07 i like to force bolt boulders> stone to flesh> polypile for eucalyptus, lembas, spinach tins etc. 09:07 obviously by the time you can do that, zombies aren't that big of a problem though 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:128 09:18 evilhack is great and all but it still seems really weird that I can swap out my starting +0 ring mail, put on a +0 leather armor, and be 2 AC BETTER than I started 09:19 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 579 points, T:1057, killed by a gnome lord, while unconscious from rotten food 09:20 also does evilhack remove the 3.6.1 feature where gnomes in the mines carry candles? I haven't seen a single candle-bearing gnome 09:21 yup 09:24 hmm is the established evilhack headcanon that the water in the mines has a eerie phosphorescence that illuminates only itself, dimly? 09:24 and the earlier statement, its all about your dexterity 09:24 yes 09:24 initially i was going to go with grunthacks unlit water 09:24 be glad i didnt 09:25 I'm glad :-) 09:26 * aosdict finds a loadstone, quickly checks his autopickup exception to make sure it's working properly 09:31 ugh, mines downstairs completely surrounded by deep water and rock, and no sign of a pick 09:32 ... the rng is taunting me 09:32 I say "no sign of a pick", next thing, what do you know? I find a lock pick 09:32 lol 09:32 RNG - oh you want a pick? here you go 09:34 hmm is something up with ttyrecs on the website 09:34 nope never mind 09:39 ugh jettyplay is not working 09:43 I am an idiot 09:43 wasted 2 identify scrolls trying to find my scroll of earth without success... amnesiaed myself by random reading scrolls before finding the earth scroll... only to find when I finally reach the level below that I have a pick-axe 09:48 you having a rough morning? 09:48 well the game is going a lot better than the illithid one 09:49 !whereis aosdictj 09:49 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] aosdictj [evil]: (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) T:3964 The Gnomish Mines level: 5 09:49 unless evilhack adds new bag types there is a boh in this shop 09:49 me gusta 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11909 09:50 no new bag types other than The Bag™ 09:50 which isn't a type 09:50 it's a boh 09:50 right 09:50 carry on 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:18499 10:27 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:31 le me finding an expensive bag: me gusta 10:32 it's a bag of tricks: fffuuuu 10:32 le bag of tricks: trollface 10:34 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:35 lol 10:35 lol 10:36 i half-heartedly tried to make it with the faces but the first result for "rage comic maker" required flash lol 11:14 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...] 11:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:55 make it, post on reddit, drown in upvotes 12:36 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Quit: node-irc says goodbye] 12:38 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 1856 points, T:3613, killed by a gnoll 13:17 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] wvc (Inf Ith Fem Una), 396 points, T:960, zombified by a kobold zombie 14:32 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 1935 points, T:2380, killed by a gnoll 14:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 496 points, T:900, killed by a rock gnome 15:58 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 15:59 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 16:00 -!- qt has quit [Client Quit] 16:01 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 16:05 -!- qt has quit [Client Quit] 16:08 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 16:12 -!- qt has quit [Client Quit] 16:23 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] aosdictj (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bag called holding containing 2 items on an altar, on T:4290 17:40 evilhack price id for selling items to a same-race shopkeeper is tying my brain in knots 17:50 testing it in wizmode, increase damage is selling for either 60 or 100 17:50 this doesn't make any sense to me 17:56 Did you factor in charisma along with the shopkeeper species multipliers 17:57 yes, charisma apparently makes a difference but only if they would be selling it for more than it's worth which triggers a call to get_cost() which is charisma based, ye GODS this code 18:00 isnt this your code aosdict? 18:01 no, I don't have racial shopkeepers 18:01 You might be thinkin' of Grunt again 18:01 iono 18:01 ISTR the "sell for more than it's worth" logic is from spork 18:02 but you submitted a PR to evilhack that revamp racial shopkeeper prices 18:02 what does istr mean? 18:03 that's what is in place 18:03 i seem to recall 18:03 it stands to reason? 18:03 oh 18:03 I love blessed magic detection, saves a lot of price id hassle 18:05 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:06 K2: yeah looked over my PR, all it did was unify the shk racial adjustments in one place 18:06 it did not affect the spork "call get_cost and set it to 4/5 of that" 18:06 I gave up on trying to understand price id in evilhack tbh 18:06 get_cost is also weird because it's oddly nondeterministic with respect to the normal factors 18:07 because it can randomly be increased depending on o_id 18:08 ah 18:08 isn't that in vanilla? 18:08 price increase based on o_id? 18:09 yes but in vanilla the _sell price_ doesn't call get_cost so it's not based on o_id 18:09 oh, I didn't realize it was the sell price 18:09 sorry I sort of skimmed 18:11 what's extra weird here is that the shopkeeper (who is my own race and ought to be giving me a good deal) is offering less for this ring than you'd get in vanilla 18:11 offering 30$ for what I assume is a 100 base price ring 18:13 in vanilla or with a human shk in evilhack you get 38 minimum 18:15 what race? 18:16 aren't there some shopkeepers who are just stingy in general, and being same-race means less stinginess 18:16 dwa 18:16 but not enough to offset it completely? 18:16 no, same-race for nonhumans means you get a *4/3 to sell cost 18:16 hmm I think I might be starting to see why 18:17 I think the "final quick check" is in the wrong place 18:18 setting aside the oddity of tossing in get_cost, let's assume that's valid 18:18 oh it happens before the racial adjustment is applied? 18:19 no. so 3.6 changed how shk pricing works 18:19 which is fine for evilhack itself but not for spork things it imported 18:20 the spork check is predicated on comparing "tmp", the computed cost so far, to what the shk would charge for that item. however unlike in spork, tmp isn't actually set as the function proceeds now, because it now uses the multiplier/divisor system. 18:20 so tmp is actually the base cost by the time it hits that condition. 18:20 oh yes sorry that's what I meant 18:20 that it happens a couple lines before the tmp *= multiplier etc 18:22 so in the case of my ring, it's saying for instance "aosdict's multiplier is 2/3, which is better than the 1/2 usual sell price", but then it says "compare the base cost to the slashed cost aosdict would be _paying_ for the item (cause he's the same race)", of course the slashed cost is lower 18:23 so yes, the fix for this particular weirdness is to move that after tmp is computed for the final time, or better yet base it on the get_cost multiplier and divisor 18:24 impressive sleuthing aosdict 18:24 it will still break down in some cases, I think for 18 cha heroes 18:24 * Umbire golf claps 18:24 or >15 cha heroes 18:24 because they get charged less than the base cost due to being oh so beautiful 18:25 code-breaking charms 18:26 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 18:29 yeah if I have for instance a 19 cha hero who tries to sell a 100zm ring, the buy price is 50 and the sell price would be >50 so even after this fix you end up getting a weirdly low amount of money for it 18:30 oh lol you can also get all the shopkeeper's gold by manipulating charisma 18:30 ^ this is the danger of calling get_cost in set_cost 18:30 put on adornment, buy item, take off adornment, sell item, ez $$$ 18:31 hah 18:40 ok I've spent enough time on this, gonna just call one ring cheap and another medium and call it a day 18:44 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a crystal dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:37225 18:50 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:37740 18:51 thanks for finding the issue(s) with shopkeeper prices aosdict 18:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a glass javelin entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:39485 19:01 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 19:01 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Wink, Wink, nudge, nudge. Know what I mean?] 19:12 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: Zzz] 19:12 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 19:12 crystal dwarvish spear, rad 19:22 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 19:30 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:42529 19:52 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:16290 20:23 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:26 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:45581 20:27 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 20:45 uh oh a water moccasin on a lower mines level 20:45 is it definitely bones or can those happen randomly now? 20:46 I mean if it's a mines level... 20:47 It's possible 20:47 But it could also be that water moccasins were mixed in with other aquatics on level creation 20:48 wait I just came across a gnome with a candle. I thought those no longer generated? 20:49 as in, he was carrying a lit candle, not that he death dropped it 20:50 gnomes no longer generate with candles? 20:50 maybe he picked one up off another gnome who died and lit it? 20:50 i didn't realize gnomes didn't generate with candles any more though 20:50 that's what K2 said earlier 21:31 EPI: you shouldnt be able to carry a lit lamp and still have your hands free. (ref. slash'em's torches get weilded) 21:33 Oh, right, knew Splice got torches from somewhere. 21:34 I assume to this point they've been hanging out on a special pack slot. 21:36 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:49941 21:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:58 hmm 21:58 i purposely didnt change what gnomes spawn with in the mines 21:58 so however it was with 3.6.6, that's how it is in evilhack 22:03 -!- Hecubus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:03 -!- mode/Hecubus [+RZi] by Hecubus 22:03 -!- mode/Hecubus [-R] by Hecubus 22:03 -!- tungsten.libera.chat changed the topic on #evilhack to: EvilHack: a NetHack variant ¤ https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack ¤ version 0.7.0 availble for public play on #hardfought ¤ see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack for gameplay information ¤ Bug tracker and future development ideas - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack 22:03 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v Hecubus] by ChanServ 22:37 -!- qt has quit [Quit: goodnight] 23:02 !who 23:02 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 23:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 23:48 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving]