00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) destroyed Charon, on T:62984 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) murdered his faithful black dragon, on T:63049 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 2401400 points, T:63081, killed by the Wizard of Yendor (with the Amulet) 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:6328 00:44 RIP 01:31 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 02:02 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 02:06 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:06 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 02:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:58 @e?Wizard of Yendor 02:58 Wizard of Yendor (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d12 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast clerical | Alignment: -128 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, teleports, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 03:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:10 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:48 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:14 -!- Umbyre has joined #evilhack 04:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Umbyre))] 04:17 -!- Umbyre is now known as Umbire 04:23 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #evilhack 04:24 -!- amateurhour has quit [*.net *.split] 04:24 -!- amateurh1ur is now known as amateurhour 04:31 After polymorphing my stash earlier, I think i'm only doing crystal chests going forward ! 04:38 oh sweet. I was going to skip Ludios, but just decided to do it on a whim and the very first soldier had 2 death wands! 04:40 Hmm. 04:41 Looks like you can't use barding on psuedodragons. 04:41 > You can't put barding such a creature. 04:41 I wonder if I could put one on an *elder* psuedodragon, but if so, that message is misleading. 04:49 Did you saddle it? 04:50 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:42245 04:51 can you put barding on a succubus? 04:51 asking for a friend 04:56 * Umbire rolls up a newspaper 04:58 argh i broke weaponless 04:58 that sucked i wielded a cursed staff (knowing it was cursed, thinking i could cast remove curse) 04:58 :( 04:58 but you apparently need free hands to do that 04:58 couldn't get a holy water out of bag 04:58 were you near a fountain? 04:58 prayed and god was displeased lost all my protection 04:58 went to a fountain and dipped it out 04:58 still cursed 04:59 :( 04:59 finally tipped BoH 04:59 and got a holy water 04:59 but lost my protection for praying early and somehow i hit something during all that 04:59 that must feel bad 04:59 it's ok though. I can buy back some protection. I just cleared ludios 04:59 meh. i don't care about conducts so much 04:59 (it feels bad ) 04:59 lol 05:00 lol 05:00 this version is definitely harder (not that the cursed thing is new) so if I somehow ascend this run, i'm not gonna beat myself up over weaponless ya know? 05:01 adjusting to this new keyboard. I'm probably gonna fat finger something stupid anyway 05:02 man protection is expensive at lvl 30.. So much gold i just haven't been picking up at all that i have to go back for 05:02 In vanilla there's a lot of gold in gehennom. Not sure about evil with the no mazes 05:03 at least I can stop hitting w- (although i won't) 05:03 I wasn't good enough to beat 0.6 so don't think I'll be able to beat 0.7 05:04 dammit now i just got canceled 05:04 you're good enough dude 05:05 nah evilhack takes patience and not just roflstomping through all the monsters 05:05 see now whether you have the patience is a different story... 05:06 it's a shame that monk only gets basic in attack spells 05:06 i agree mobileuser 05:06 i don't even bother learning any of the spells besides magic missile 05:07 I think even at basic cone of cold circumvents reflection? 05:07 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:42708 05:07 because some of those bastards cast reflection... 05:07 oh i didn't know cone of cold did that!? 05:07 i will learn it then 05:08 is that the only spell that does that ? 05:08 fire too, but cold is more useful against demons + the wizard 05:09 64k zorkmids.. well, that will buy 5 points back i guess 05:10 i shouldn't have killed the minetown priest so soon. or I could donate to him and kill and then donate to valley 05:10 ice queen branch? 05:10 yeah i just went back and got the gold form there 05:10 ah ok 05:10 i forgot you need hands to cast... so dumb 05:11 and then I forgot I was crowned and had long prayer timeout 05:11 I've made that same mistake 05:11 i really don't know what i was supposed to do. all the fountains were pretty much dipped 05:11 i guess wait until i found a remove curse or holy water not in a container 05:12 I feel like if you have a staff of Do Magic More Good welded to your hands you should still be allowed to cast spells of that school or something 05:12 idk why but that makes sense in my head 05:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:16 yeah.. it was a different school but i don't understand why you need hands anyway lol 05:16 is that vanilla shit ? 05:16 yeah 05:17 think so 05:17 but I uncursed non-weapons that way all the time 05:17 that's why i forgot 05:18 i mean that's how you USE the remove curse spell 05:21 A bunch of variants let you still cast even with a cursed staff 05:22 i guess only weapons weld to your hands when you wield 05:22 although unicorn horns are tools and they do 05:23 weapon-tools 05:23 that's why 05:24 yeah 05:25 now i want that cone of cold spell! thanks for the tip about that mobileuser. I've had the book a few times but polymorphed it. need to find again 05:26 what about acid blast? does that get by reflection? 05:31 oh i forgot i can walk on water! that's cool . I've been putting boots on this whole time to dip 05:37 acid blast is great too, but is a higher spell level 05:44 Oh, crap. A -5 cursed elven chain mail. That's just unlucky. I thought it was safe as my pet was happy to be on it, but it turned out I swapped positions. 05:45 Oh, and yeah. It's not iron. 05:48 -!- joes has joined #evilhack 05:56 rebatela seems I was wrong about basic cone of cold, it can get reflected. sorry! 05:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3969 points, T:3848, killed by a water moccasin 05:57 At least in vanilla 05:57 Hmph, I always do stupid stuff/ 05:57 Skilled or higher cone of cold/fireball are what create the explosions 06:00 I wonder if I got confused because in evilhack you can still choose the basic version when skilled 06:04 hmmm should I be able to cast drain life at my +4 t-shirt of drain resistance ? (it worked) 06:06 you can cast drain life at items?? TIL 06:06 oh hell yeah 06:06 that's how you get +4 stuff to +5 06:06 artifacts will resist a lot. but anything else 06:07 just put it on the floor and cast at it 06:07 handy for helm of brilliance etc 06:07 definitely 06:07 Yeah, that's how people manage enchantments 06:08 for other stuff I don't care so much, because some bastard is going to cancel me at some point anyway ;-) 06:08 Also I think letting you choose the basic version while at Skilled is an evilhackism 06:08 it's from unh/xnh 06:09 hah yeah i got canceled a little while ago. right after i fooproofed my death wand too. I thought i was being smart (0: -1) 06:09 any tips for vecna branch mobileuser? 06:09 i have -50ac, 366 hp 06:10 at which branch level are you? 06:10 i want more max hp but i lost alll my potions in that polymorph accident and havent done any alchemy 06:10 just on that top level 06:10 or first level 06:10 i dunno if it goes up or down 06:10 the graveyard 06:11 second level is Kas, watch out for the beholders 06:11 also Kas is fast and hits hard 06:11 eyes of overworld so beholders are np 06:11 ok yeah i remember k2 saying that about kas 06:12 see if you can take out Kas from range 06:12 as he casts reflection against my basic attack spell clown self 06:13 I don't know if Kas can cast reflection... 06:13 @e?Kas 06:13 Kas (V) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 16 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: unique | AC: -5 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical, 1d12 bite level drain | Alignment: -10 | Flags: flies, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 06:13 not a spellcaster 06:13 next is Vecna, lots of alhoons, and all the liches 06:14 Vecna is extremely dangerous 06:15 Has a death stare, I don't know if the eyes protect against that 06:15 And you better have acid res 06:15 i do 06:16 wtf is a death stare? instadeath? Should I take eyes off and wear towel? 06:16 Probably 06:16 @e?vecna 06:16 Vecna (L) | Lvl: 99 | Diff: 50 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -10 | Attacks: 8d6 touch cold, 6d6 touch wither, 3d4 gaze Death, 4d6 cast spell, 4d6 cast clerical | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous 06:17 3d4 gaze death. what does that even mean 06:17 rebatela I don't know 06:17 I was Infidel demon twice, so it didn't effect me 06:18 death magic-powered gaze 06:18 oh and you can't use magic mapping 06:18 Probably so it still does damage even if you resist 06:19 so it's probably like a death wand when you have mr 06:19 drains maxhp 06:20 @e?beholder 06:20 beholder (e) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 3 | Res: cold shock poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 50 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: -8 | Attacks: 0d0 gaze slow, 2d25 gaze sleep, 0d0 gaze disintegrate, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 gaze cancellation, 8d8 bite physical | Alignment: -10 | Flags: flies, breathless, mindless, nopoly, infravisible 06:20 you need MR or to blind yourself or there's a chance to instakill you 06:20 mhm 06:21 This vecna sounds insane. 06:21 yeah but alhoons suck too 06:21 if it doesn't instakill you, then most of the time it will drain your max hp 06:21 blinding prevents that too 06:21 how about eyes of the overworld amateurhour ? 06:22 rebatela: Sounds like there's going to be a ton of alhoons there anwyay, one wonders if there's any point to killing vecna if you have to fight more alhoons than you probably would normally get in teh whole game. 06:22 It's MR when worn, right? 06:22 I'll probably take them off and wear towel rather than be the guinea pig 06:22 it is umby, but i'm thinking more about whether it blocks the gaze attack the way it blocks beholders and archons etc 06:22 not medusa but everything else 06:24 It doesn't block medusa? 06:24 i'm gonna play a different role when i die errr I mean after i ascend 06:24 no 06:25 -!- joes has left #evilhack 06:25 Pity. 06:25 medusa is not really a problem, having reflection is enough 06:25 yeah. the eyes are awesome. medusa you know about. but beholders and archons etc. you never have to worry about randomly 06:26 only thing that sucks about eyes is not being able to blind quickly for telepathy but i always make sure to learn detect monsters 06:26 it doesn't seem to do anything for vecna's gaze 06:26 yeah i figured 06:27 Im gonna go with the towel 06:27 i'll wear eota for mr i guess or maybe even cloak 06:27 can you fly or levitate? 06:28 yes 06:28 because of course there is lots of lava 06:28 good 06:28 !whereis rebatela 06:28 arahael: [hdf-us] rebatela [evil]: (Mon Hum Mal Neu) T:44166 Sokoban level: 6 06:28 obviously i'll have to wear ring if i use amulet slot for mr 06:28 so i might just wear cloak of mr instead of robe then i can fly 06:29 rebatela: That's not the vecna level! 06:29 it's not! 06:29 damn i must be lost. thanks dude 06:29 ... Happy to help! 06:30 maybe i'll just deal with alhoons. I really don't feel like splatting right now lol 06:31 actually... i'm gonna do some polypiling. I want to get like 500 shuriken and enchant them and train the skill 06:32 mobileuser: what were you saying you didn't have to worry about because you were a demon / 06:32 ? 06:32 demons are immune to death magic 06:33 And infidels become demons upon crowning iirc? 06:35 ah gotcha 06:35 neato 06:36 yeah infidel demon has a relatively easy time in gehennom 06:36 EASYBABYHACK 06:36 wizard should be fine too 06:40 for example priest looks extremely difficult to me 06:41 maybe rely on Mjolnir a lot... 06:42 haven't you ascended a priest? 06:42 i thought you've done every role 06:42 not in 0.7 06:42 oic 06:43 the wizard can have MR now, so you need to plan ahead for that 06:46 yep 06:47 vadefLag said that was what was the biggest challenge/surprised them the most (rodney) 06:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3442 06:49 i will play a role that can use stormbringer or whatever next. i'm sick of martial arts. the game is not designed with monks in mind. vanilla is even worse 06:50 vanilla monks are slightly improved in 3.7 as their martial arts is slightly less bad 06:50 actually i like martial arts. but whenever changes are made it always screws monks over somehow 06:50 because the monk came from a variant wildly different from nethack 06:50 umbire: exactly 06:50 and when they took it from slashem they did it half-assed 06:50 the quest is a joke 06:51 no techniques 06:51 etc. tec. 06:51 etc. 06:51 i still like the role, but it's frustrating you can tell no one gives a F 06:51 porting monks without techniques I understand 06:51 I mean could probably live without techniques, but stuff like evil changes to monks have their heart in the right place 06:51 but why did they have to make martial arts so bad 06:51 extra attacks are cool 06:51 yeah. k2 gave them some love 06:51 he likes to play monk 06:51 splicehack gives monks techniques 06:52 dnethack makes monks epic 06:52 I like monks in evilhack, but I like illithid wizards more. And I'm even worse at the game with them! :D 06:52 yeah i still have that game going amateurhour. i might play dnh a bit now actually 06:53 i like how in .7 you get more stuff as you level up as monk 06:53 i'm sick resist, stone resist and can walk on water! 06:53 never gonna get that high levelled playing vegan still :( 06:53 potions? 06:54 Harder to come by than wraiths 06:54 comparatively 06:54 well yeah, but if you're stuck on being vegan it can be done 06:55 I don't polypile really, so not sure where you'd get enough potions 06:55 I spent a while kiting wraiths out of the valley in this game because i didn't realize how many there were and how easy it is to take them out the portal on vecna graveyard 06:55 could dance with the demon ladies of the night but that's boring af 06:58 amateurhour: as far as martial arts being bad, I really like what appears to be dnh's solution with 2 weaponing. That makes a lot of senes to me 06:58 sense 06:58 yeah, for me too 06:58 (new keyboard) 06:59 there's a lot of other quirks from slashem that didn't get ported to vanilla 06:59 that make sense too 06:59 i'm sure 06:59 no body armour penalties if you're using weapons 06:59 lots of people have told me that if i want the real monk experience, to play slashem 06:59 monks get bonus ac for not wearing armour though 06:59 right 06:59 that seems more fair too 07:00 like, I know it's a challenging role (in vanilla) but I feel like a lot of it is unintentional and it just wasn't thought through 07:00 yeah like master kaen's difficulty 07:00 and the lack of loot in the quest relative to his difficulty 07:01 compared to the priest quest which it's basically a copy of other than priest quets has an easy boss and TONS of loot 07:01 and how when they ported it they left the quest as rips of the pr- 07:01 yeah haha 07:01 :) 07:01 screw xorns as well 07:01 and earth elementals 07:01 they will F you up in evilhack real quick 07:02 every floor is like a Big Room because they all just phase at you 07:02 why does master kaen's floor have like a million xorns as well? 07:02 right? 07:03 planning to eventually beat every variant as a monk then write up thoughts on them all 07:03 just going slow 07:04 not really played a lot recently 07:06 oh that's cool 07:07 maybe you should make a variant.. monkhack or something haha 07:07 gonna try nonironically beat slex 07:07 is slashem/slashthem really hard? 07:08 not really, maybe harder than vanilla in the later parts but there's so much loot to collect in optional branches that it's pretty consistent 07:08 i missed your comment about not polypiling. Is it because you think it's degenerate or you just don't like to take the tiime? 07:08 I did wishless genoless weaponless vegan in slashthem no problem 07:08 polyless too 07:09 polypileless* 07:09 I had this plan that I was going to polypile for like 30 gain level potions for the ascension run. I did it once and hid them all on the vibrating square level but I ended up dying randomly before i did the invocation 07:09 would have done wishless in slashem but got a smoky wish and did empty prompt instead of wishing for 'nothing' :( 07:09 oh no! 07:09 that sucks 07:10 polypiling is nerfed in slashem variants 07:10 oh ok 07:10 after a while the item reverts back to what it was before 07:10 well i meant more in evilhack, like if you wanted to get to lvl 30 07:10 unless you dip it in restore ability or something 07:10 yeah I'd probs have to polypile for gain level I guess :/ 07:10 oh that's rght. the items revert. i remember nw 07:11 it's not that hard. it's easy to amass a ton of holy water... 07:12 i actually enjoy polypiling (when i can cast it at 0% fail) 07:20 i splatted to rodney last night 07:21 F 07:21 i got jumped in the worst place possible and the RNG said 'oh lets roll double trouble four times' 07:21 :/ 07:21 it happens 07:21 i was cruisin along just fine making my way back up with the amulet 07:22 got to the VotD 07:22 I saw in the backscroll :-( 07:22 was doing a bit of org with the stash, rodney showed up, immediately stole the EotA 07:22 yeah 07:22 and then double trouble a lot 07:22 F 07:22 i was able to get two of them down with finger/wand of death 07:23 but with the eye gone spell power regen was shit and whilst in the VotD you dont regen hit points 07:23 i was like noooo why here 07:24 then you reflected on all the evil decisions you had made as your life flashed before your eyes and the void rushed in to consume you 07:24 no 07:24 i embraced them all 07:24 haha 07:24 and said if i could do it all again i'd do it even more 07:25 ok off to work 07:25 ahh that sucks k2 07:27 I've already been worrying about him stealing artifacts lol. Seems like he'll have a lot more time to do so if you can't always just death wand 07:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4091 points, T:5859, killed by a tiger 07:27 That's it for me tonight! 07:28 night bro 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful woolly mammoth, on T:45881 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:45885 07:47 Night arahael 07:49 EPI: ravens can peck your eyes fully out so you remain blind until you drink a healing potion or cast the spell 07:50 casting cure blindness when your eyes are already restored and growing another pair 08:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:27 my glass wand didn't shatter when I was zapped with striking 08:27 easybabyhack 08:28 -!- Umbyre has joined #evilhack 08:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Umbyre))] 08:28 -!- Umbyre is now known as Umbire 08:30 same as in vanilla I assume 08:31 Hm? 08:31 yup 08:31 playing variants makes me paranoid :b 08:34 lol 08:34 but what were you asking about 08:40 oh, "my glass wand didn't shatter when I was zapped with striking" 08:40 I suppose glass items in invent are safe from striking 08:41 ^ Umbire 08:41 Yeah, it has to be a loose item 08:42 Striking only affects a monster's inventory if it kills them 08:47 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:00 oh shit K2 rodney jumped you in the valley? 09:00 That's some atrocious luck 09:02 yup 09:02 i had already killed him a couple times prior in gehennom no problem 09:03 and in the sanctum 09:03 i just got bad rolls when he appeared in the valley 09:03 worst - place - ever 09:03 With rodney fights going longer I suspect a lot of people are going to be surprised by the pain of quest artifact stealing 09:04 I have nightmares of rodney showing up when I forget to levitate over that spear trap exiting the valley 09:04 i now need to rethink using the valley as a place to hang out for a bit on the ascrun 09:05 You convert the altar and use it as a stash? 09:05 you cant convert that altar 09:05 but yeah i'll use the temple as a stash spot 09:05 Oh I had forgotten that 09:06 he acid blasted me too 09:06 i didnt die from it but it didnt help 09:06 i should have switched out my sdsm for the ydsm i had 09:07 i was also dumb, when he stole the EotA i should have immediately put on one of my "oLS 09:07 hindsight being what it is, there were a couple things i should have done and didnt 09:07 i could have gotten through it 09:08 ah well 09:08 oh another thing - i saw 3 potions of full healing the entire game. thats it 09:08 and rodney burned up one of those three that i had in open inventory 09:09 i polypiled like a mofo, never saw !oFH from it 09:09 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:10 * arahael is so jealous of K2's skill at the game. 09:11 heh... nothing to be jealous of. 09:11 since becoming a variant dev, i play less. its affected my game 09:12 You think playing less helped? 09:12 since we're so close to june, i wont start a new game until junethack starts 09:12 arahael no, its not helped at all 09:12 other way around 09:12 And you're still crazy good! :D 09:12 i do alright 09:12 I'm an ant compared to you. Still part of Team-A, mind you, but the expression holds. 09:13 i cant speedrun, i've never pulled off zen or pacifist 09:13 but thank you 09:13 * arahael asks himself: Does that expression hold in nethack? 09:13 Yeah, I do play too fast. 09:14 @e?wizard of yendor 09:14 Wizard of Yendor (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confers: fire poison | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d12 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast clerical | Alignment: -128 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, teleports, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 09:14 another dumb that I didnt do and should have 09:14 i had cone of cold 09:15 i should have ice blasted his ass to astral and back 09:15 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers.] 09:15 also had lightning bolt spell 09:15 welp, lessons learned 09:15 In Junethack - still have to register actually - anyway, in Junethack, intend to go back to monks and probably try something other than evil. 09:15 See if I can get an ascension. :) 09:16 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:16 :) 09:16 !lastgame K2 09:16 VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1620698220.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1577469384.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1576941662.evil.html 09:16 i'm starting with xnethack this eyar 09:16 year 09:16 Me too 09:16 I've literally only played vanilla, and evil - lets not mention that slex moment. 09:16 My first junethack ever 09:16 I used cone of cold a lot on rodney 09:16 I will probably have some stupid questions about how junethack works 09:16 VaderFLAG you're playing with teamsplat? 09:17 want to? 09:17 In that I will be splatting a lot, I am sure yes 09:17 (I hear there's a vacancy) 09:17 There is a group effort aspect of it? 09:17 I haven't been to the site in like 2 years 09:17 yeah 09:17 should proably go looook 09:17 the best part is the team chat and funny stuff and shared experiences 09:18 oh I didn't miss registration! Score one for VaderFLAG 09:18 junethack registration opens in 2 days 09:18 Wait if there's team work how come I have not been aggressively recruited for a team?! 09:18 PERSONAL OFFENSE TAKEN 09:19 VaderFLAG: Be glad you're selected at all! It's a very selective team. ;) 09:19 The percentage of the world's population that has even passed the selection process is ----><---- vanishingly small. 09:20 haha 09:20 heh 09:23 Hm teamsplat seems to have cleaned up in 2020, surely you don't need my help 09:24 its not about winning 09:24 its about playing with friends 09:24 we just happen to do well 09:24