00:14 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of charm monster", on T:34527 00:50 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 486 points, T:993, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while praying 01:09 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5978 01:34 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 02:30 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:45 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:7619 02:48 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:11 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:12 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed Cerberus, on T:55372 04:21 heh K2 gratz on an evilhack thing going into vanilla 04:21 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/2288452278ecc1ba7a12fe66f775cd4d7b759f34 04:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:55425 04:22 oh well, at least that's out of the way 04:24 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11971 04:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "magic marker", on T:55499 04:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "cursed fireproof +2 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:55501 04:40 "Hello scalawag". So weird, I keep thinking that's a form of *endearment*. 04:43 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:12957 04:44 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a cornuthaum entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:13683 04:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) entered Gehennom, on T:55589 04:51 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a magical twisted staff entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:15905 04:58 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:17586 05:04 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a T-shirt, on T:5763 05:07 giant centipede on dl 10 bones? gotta be a chameleon or somethign? almost just killed me 05:08 giant centipedes can easily kill you, nasty things 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 13380 points, T:6403, killed by a giant centipede 05:09 bah 05:09 :-( 05:09 yeah i knew that ;) 05:09 went back for more 05:09 MOAR 05:09 i know i've died to them in gehennom before 05:09 they do crazy damage 05:10 If woollies weren't so good I would revgeno giant centipedes on astral 05:10 hehe 05:10 you can always mix it up... 05:10 maybe I will ;-) 05:10 that's what i'm thinking of doing if i ever make it 05:11 little combo platter 05:11 mobileuser: I had to read that twice... "woolies" is the local slang for "woolworths", which is the name of our chain supermaket shops. 05:12 I wonder if "woolies" actually still trade in the UK... 05:12 they may have gone bankrupt 05:14 yeah no more woolies in the UK 05:17 rebatela you were at least the third victim of that centipede 05:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3103 05:23 mobileuser: I had no idea they were ever in the uK - some business, or just the same name? 05:25 i could have avoided it.. i don't know why i went back. 05:26 we used to have woolworth here 05:27 wooly mammoths are the shit though, arahael... And giants can ride them ! (i think anyone can, but giants can't ride anything else) 05:28 rebatela: I really should try taming them next time I'm there. 05:28 They're a ***** to kill! 05:32 Arahael: i think they're unrelated except in name 05:33 it was big news when they went under, they closed something like 800 shops within a year and thousands of jobs went 05:33 gonna google the numbers as memory fuzzy 05:33 oh wow wikipedia says it was within like a couple of weeks 05:34 > closed all 807 Woolworths stores between 27 December 2008 and 6 January 2009, resulting in 27,000 job losses. 05:36 OOoh, damn, managed to kill teh wolf, with *one HP to spare*. 05:37 amateurhour: Ooh. That's crazy. 05:37 27, jobs is a lot to suddenly close. 05:38 yeah don't kill them 05:38 in the ice queen level? put them to sleep if can't tame them and try to go back when you can... 05:38 lock them in a room or whatever lol 05:40 they make better steeds than the pegasus ime (although harder to tame) 05:44 Interesting. 05:44 But pegasus is *fun*! 05:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:4385 05:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:56878 05:57 K2 ^ 05:58 Silver weapon gift for a demon 05:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 7053 points, T:5516, killed by a giant spider 06:01 Oh right, Infidels get fucked out of anti-vamp/werefoo/demon measures a bit since silver. 06:02 yeah. and RNG has determined that protection from shape changers is silver too ;-) 06:03 F 06:08 at least it's not free action this time 06:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:57176 06:25 Yay! 06:25 Only Dragonbane left 06:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:57670 06:55 lol I forgot about the F-banes 07:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 443 points, T:829, killed by an exploding stone large box 08:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1138 points, T:2412, killed by a water moccasin 08:32 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 145119 points, T:37427, killed by a boulder 08:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 8017 points, T:5792, zombified by a human zombie 08:54 i dont remember ever trying to setup a rule for artifact gifts based on material hatred 08:55 mobileuser ^ 08:56 Didn't you do it for elves or something? 08:57 for regular item gifts yeah 08:58 not for artifacts 08:58 ah ok! 08:59 Ah. 09:00 Before I forget to ask again K2, what's a "5d7 tentacle decay" attack? 09:00 i think that's like a brown pudding corrode attack 09:01 but dont quote me 09:01 i'll look 09:01 @e?brown pudding 09:01 brown pudding (P) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 3 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Attacks: 0d0 bite rot | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, vegetarian 09:02 @e?black pudding 09:02 black pudding (P) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 6 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 3d8 bite corrosion, 0d0 passive corrosion | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless 09:02 Oh, before I forget. 09:02 K2: Are bearded axes any use if curseD? 09:02 it's a tentacle attack that does decay damage 09:04 Umbire BUC shouldnt matter 09:04 Right 09:04 I'll keep the one I just scored then but its enchantment might be dook 09:05 amateurhour what kind of decay? 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:1458 09:06 found it 09:06 #define AD_DCAY 35 /* decays organics (brown Pudding) */ 09:06 knew it 09:06 ^ decay 09:06 Ah. 09:06 right, so no problem for fixed stuff? 09:06 Or metallic stuff 09:06 I can just melee those bastards then 09:07 yeah 09:07 -!- joes has joined #evilhack 09:07 thx K2 09:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 1556 points, T:1628, killed by a mumak 09:10 if(mtmp && !is_mplayer(mtmp->data)) K2 09:20 yay 09:20 i have the dumb 09:20 that fix, its one of the 'duh' moments that I should have realized at the time 09:20 it crashes because mtmp will be null, so mtmp->data will try reading from memory it absolutely shouldn't be allowed to access 09:21 so the OS is like 'lol no goodbye' 09:21 heh 09:22 Fix: crash if artifact owner shows up while level is full <--- sound right? 09:22 yeah 09:23 you should check every case of creating monsters or items at some point :P 09:24 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JsgmO 09:24 [EvilHack] k21971 02ae755 - Fix: crash if artifact owner shows up while level is full. 09:24 hah probably 09:25 old me prob made a lot of mistakes 09:25 qt has a knack for finding those 09:25 no wait, i am old me now 09:25 past younger me 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased dragonhide bag of holding", on T:12145 09:36 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible ShivanHunter's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:14504 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) destroyed guest99987's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:14512 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible SeamusMcRed's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:14518 10:34 dungeon full of dead wizards 10:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:57942 10:37 only Dragonbane left 10:37 unless it was already generated elsewhere... 10:45 are you completing the list 10:47 at the mercy of RNG 10:47 I want Dragonbane 10:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:23 -!- joes has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 bone elven shield of telepathy", on T:59611 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:59705 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided hill giant shamans, on T:60027 12:35 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1318 points, T:1440, killed by a mountain dwarf 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 124 points, T:514, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 13:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:58389 13:29 YESSSSS 13:30 demon happy dance 13:37 \o/ 13:40 wewp 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 952 points, T:1275, killed by an enormous rat 13:51 clap your (dragonbane) hands 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:62314 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 2242 points, T:2856, killed by a champion of Ishtar 14:38 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/Js24s 14:38 [EvilHack] k21971 b5a9187 - Fix: object materials: sort items correctly according to their material. 14:44 @e?Kas 14:44 Kas (V) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 16 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: unique | AC: -5 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical, 1d12 bite level drain | Alignment: -10 | Flags: flies, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 14:50 and wields the sword of kas 14:50 mobileuser: knights don't get metal armour penalties for clerical spells 14:59 interesting fact! 15:00 makes me wonder what other knight related shenanigans were smuggled into evilhack via spork that we don't know about 15:00 hah 15:00 what 200iq strats have we missed all this time 15:03 jumping uses less hunger as a knight 15:04 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 5522 points, T:3097, poisoned by a giant mosquito 15:05 idk if this was changed later but in the patch K2 pulled non-knights have to wield the mirror for reflection 15:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Orc Fem Una), 180 points, T:422, killed by a small mimic 15:06 ^ part of the 'knight patch' 15:07 amateurhour are you actual-nh on the wiki? 15:07 the wiki doesn't mention lawful/chaotic meaning ki-rin or eldritch ki-rin can't be tamed 15:07 speaking of jumping... 15:07 I don't have a wiki account so no 15:07 LIES 15:08 :P 15:08 Arahael sometimes the game will say a square is illegal to jump to, but you can still jump to it fine 15:08 actual-nh is an anatomy professor or something 15:08 the wiki doesn't mention lawful/chaotic meaning ki-rin or eldritch ki-rin can't be tamed <---- that's new to 0.7 15:09 wow the alignment penalty for overeating went from 1 to 7 15:09 lol 15:09 lol knights are all gonna have to kill king arthur 15:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 7769 points, T:4972, killed by a disenchanter 15:10 especially lawful knights 15:10 all that caitiff stuff 15:10 wow alignment penalty for using poisoned weapons is 10 15:10 lol 15:13 tossing a little poisoned dart at an enemy gnome twice > killing your pet 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 259 points, T:1564, killed by a sewer rat 15:29 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1215 points, T:1696, killed by a rothe 15:30 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:36 now that alignment abuse is really important early on, i may redo those values for knights 15:37 that was all taken straight from sporkhack way way back 15:39 they'll still be higher than normal, but it doesnt need to be so excessive 15:40 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Mal Una), 662 points, T:953, killed by a kitten 15:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:41 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:51 "The shambling horror's tentacles suck you!" while I'm wearing an oilskin cloth elven helm? 15:55 do tentacle attacks necessarily target your head if they're not the mind flayer's AT_TENT AD_DRIN combo? 15:56 no 15:56 case in point, demogorgon 15:56 ok, but what is it sucking then? :-) 15:56 your body 15:56 lewd 15:57 you've never experienced an octopus wrap its arms around your arm before have ya 15:57 I'll cover my body in grease and see what happens next time 15:57 SCIENCE 15:57 lol 15:57 would an oilskin cloak help? 15:57 YANI? ^ 15:58 this conversation could go very wrong very easily 15:58 lol 15:58 I shall consult the literature 15:58 oh god 15:59 brb 16:13 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:14 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 3537 points, T:3236, killed by a giant anaconda 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 18 points, T:300, killed by a goblin 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 4921 points, T:4830, poisoned by an orcish arrow 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 589 points, T:992, killed by a giant mimic 16:31 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 228 points, T:1291, killed by a riding accident 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 237 points, T:762, killed by a water moccasin 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:43 16:42 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 992 points, T:1662, killed by a wolf 16:48 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 348 points, T:822, killed by a giant bat 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Fem Una), 345 points, T:642, killed by a large kobold, while sleeping 17:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 3124 points, T:2710, killed by a mastodon 17:13 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1181 points, T:1436, killed by a giant bat 17:22 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1723 points, T:2678, fell into a pit 17:40 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±8] https://git.io/Js2d2 17:40 [EvilHack] k21971 1c001b2 - Readjust alignment penalties for Knights (again). 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "hello", on T:3499 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 3983 points, T:3698, killed by a werewolf 17:44 "You sting the storm giant. The storm giant eats a eucalyptus leaf." 17:44 Status of the storm giant (male, chaotic): Level 21 HP 133(192) AC -2. 17:45 status BEFORE eating the eucalyptus leaf, no indication of illness 17:45 I remain intrigued 17:48 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 114 points, T:715, killed by Ms. Konosja; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 17:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:06 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:3236 18:06 -!- aoei is now known as Stella 18:06 -!- Stella is now known as aoei 18:09 in vanilla eucalyptus leaves no longer hurt you when you throw them upwards and they fall on your head 18:09 and there was much rejoicing 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3367 18:19 hmm 18:22 i think i found it 18:31 evilhack has implemented 'magic beam traps' right? 18:31 yes 18:33 Most definitely. 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4677 19:05 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/Jsae9 19:05 [EvilHack] k21971 941f53a - Fix: monsters eating eucalyptus leaves when not ill. 19:30 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 19:31 I'm pretty nervous taking the stairs down to the bottom of Vecna's branch... 19:33 Uhhhh 2 alhoons and a buttload of arch-liches, jeez 19:37 Unmappable lava-filled levels full of beholders are no fun 19:40 I'm watching your game and it's making me nervous 19:40 I don't want to wake everything at once, I'm petrified 19:40 I think I'm going to throw a gold coin at the near alhoon group 19:41 All the arch liches will warp over to you won't they? 19:41 Yeah, my fear is being cut off from the steps 19:41 put a boulder on it? 19:41 I assume it's unteleportable too 19:41 That is my bet 19:41 I should probably dismount so I can #jump 19:42 Ok, there is clearly a wall between that group and me 19:42 fortunately L are pretty soft. You have a good lich destroying weapon. 19:43 My magic missile is my best weapon :-) 19:44 Damn I was hoping I could dig through that wall 19:45 Oo it worked 19:45 my biggest lich fear is that they'll summon an engulfing monster or green slime. Keep a digging and fire wand handy. 19:46 Fuck 19:46 indeed. 19:46 do you have charm monster or tame scroll? That's a quick way to take control of those situations 19:47 Dammit I never keep that pegasus alive 19:49 it's too weak for an endgame pet. I rely on black dragons. 19:49 They engulf and their passive attack is great 19:50 and sometimes they straight up fire a disintegration beam at monsters 19:50 but you have to choose between dragon pets and wearing dragonbane, now 19:51 I'm a fool for Dragonbane 19:52 oh right 19:53 Due to the game dropping all sorts of stupid artifact swords I can't use I had to blow 4 wand wishes to get this pair 19:54 I get the feeling I'm going to be using a gain level potion to get away 19:55 Shambling horror concerns me, don't know what it is this game yet 19:58 My heart can' 19:58 t take it 19:59 Gonna look up the level map in the source code 20:01 when I play evilhack in june I expect I won't be doing the vecna branch 20:02 are you really going to encounter more arch-L and alhoons out in the regular dungeon as you are guaranteed to do in vecna 20:03 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 63 points, T:103, killed by a falling rock 20:04 I've only seen 3 alhoons in the Vecna branch, I bet you get more than that without doing it for sure 20:05 Liches galore, but only arch-liches really matter very much 20:05 Probably guarantees 4-8 wraith levels, too (without doing Vecna) 20:05 Not that levels are necessarily that great, but I'm pretty reliant on magic missile for the heavy lifting this run 20:06 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 86 points, T:347, killed by Mr. Aksaray; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 20:08 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +5 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of decay", on T:49074 20:08 ^ for qt 20:09 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 bone gauntlets of power", on T:49075 20:09 nice, what is the design? 20:09 The design features giant eels on an abstract background. 20:10 Do you ever get an actual +5 from a wish? I always just wish for +2 and don't always get it 20:10 sometimes 20:10 my HoB came out +5 20:10 This Vecna branch is really racking up the turn count 20:11 I wonder if I can tooled horn him out of his little fortress 20:11 the GoP are +0, the hawaiian shirt is +5 20:12 I tried wishing for a bone elven shield earlier and was cruelly just given a normal elven shield of blocking spellcasting 20:12 Pissed me off 20:12 elven shields are wood 20:12 its not the material, its the weight 20:13 elven shields are wood *by default* 20:13 elves love bones come on 20:13 bone isnt a material evlen items spawn as, so that wouldnt be a possible wish 20:13 who doesn't love wearing bones 20:13 *elven 20:13 orcish shield tho 20:14 Is the orcish shield the only one you can bonify for spellcasting? 20:14 small shield i think 20:15 Darn, the horn doesn't bother Vecna 20:15 I really don't want to double my distance to the stairs 20:15 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:1010 20:16 what should i name my greater pegasus 20:17 Crap I should have brought an axe 20:19 I feel like retreating and coming back with a cursed potion of invisibility. Am I being too panicky about entering that Vecna room? 20:21 what's your shambling horror mashup? 20:22 I don't know yet 20:22 I'm fingering him right now with an aklys 20:23 use / to get his stats 20:23 food time, back later 20:23 Man I always forget that 20:23 Unfortunately I already aklysed him to the great beyond 20:25 at -60AC I wouldn't worry about an elder minotaur! 20:26 this is much better than the meeting I'm in! 20:26 I don't want to have to go through another priest midgame :-) 20:29 Nothing left to do but pull the trigger I guess 20:30 ugh. I hate when they do that 20:30 Every time 20:31 gotta drop a boulder on the stairs 20:31 Shoulda brought cursed invis 20:31 that's what was great about playing the giant race. Boulders galore! 20:32 don't kill over lava! That's a hard mistake to recover from. 20:33 I just want him dead 20:33 But I can't do damage to him until I've got him pinned, he just teleports on first swing 20:34 Uh oh 20:34 Not sure I can clear his withering 20:34 I'm going to cheat 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4957 points, T:3384, killed by a soldier ant 20:34 that's a good move. 20:35 you can own the stairs now. 20:35 We will see if it helps, from this I have no get out of jail move 20:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:35 lots of full healing on hand? 20:36 sunsword or one of the anti-undead weapons would be great right now 20:36 A few 20:36 Can't swing a sword 20:36 Priest 20:36 I think Mjollnir will outdamage Demonbane on him 20:37 ya, I once played a priest and my god gave me sunsword. Was awesome in the quest. 20:37 I love Sunsword 20:37 Well I can waste a zillion turns going to my stash and returning with a fistfull of additional cursed gain levels, full healing, etc. or I can just grit my teeth 20:38 you need to get this over with! I need to go pick up my kid. 20:38 * bouquet snaps fingers 20:40 Oh sorry :-) 20:42 Yeah I'm gonna die 20:42 My damage output is nowhere good enough 20:42 if you go up, he'll flee to the other upstairs 20:42 might be able to cursed teleport on the level upstairs? 20:43 I'm trying to think of how it would be feasible to ever kill him 20:44 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Kni Dwa Fem Law) murdered Rocinante, her faithful pony, on T:93 20:44 smart move. you survived! 20:44 Very disappointed though 20:44 Time to put my daughter to bed and think, think, think 20:44 you shouldn't be disappointed if you survived. 20:45 Well, it is a recurring problem I have with this iteration of evilhack -- can't generate sufficient damage output for anything to matter against the super-monsters 20:45 maybe blessed scroll of earth and MM vecna or use your ranged options 20:45 He kept reflection up, I tried MM 20:45 Maybe cancellation would stop that? 20:45 I don't know if that works. Check in wizmode. 20:55 K2: Did you say someone has killed Vecna? He looked impossible to me, given special attacks that can't be fully mitigated and how resistant to damage he is (I don't think I could push more than 10hp/rnd average into him best-case) 20:56 I'd just swing Vorpal Blade at him if I could use an edged weapon :-P 20:58 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:58 I thought VaderFLAG might have done it? 20:58 I'm not certain though 21:00 That bun tyen-shung duh eedwayro, is there nothing he can't do 21:00 man, vecna is HARD 21:00 I can't ding him in wizmode 21:01 18str expert +7 Mjollnir was averaging about 1/35th of his health per round 21:01 Vader was one of the people to beat Vecna thus far. 21:01 Also isn't he shock resistant? 21:02 For sure I might have better luck if I could dual-wield Sunsword and Fire Brand 21:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) had a stone morning star entrusted to her by Poseidon, on T:63710 21:16 I can't bring up a pokedex on him to show his resistances 21:17 I have the stuff for the articles I was making, if you want that information. 21:18 That's OK, it's all on github 21:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:64855 21:26 K2: When monsters remove fooproofing from an item it does not update in displayed inventory 21:26 (ascii curses 21:26 @e?Vecna 21:26 Vecna (L) | Lvl: 99 | Diff: 50 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -10 | Attacks: 8d6 touch cold, 6d6 touch wither, 3d4 gaze Death, 4d6 cast spell, 4d6 cast clerical | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous 21:26 krm26 you play curses mode right? 21:26 Yup 21:26 yeah thats why 21:27 Ok, as long as it is known 21:27 So did VaderFLAG kill Vecna? 21:27 yeah 21:27 or was it mobileuser 21:27 *someone* did 21:27 Because I got my ass kicked so emphatically there is absolutely no point in going back 21:28 the sword of kas, that does triple damage to vecna, dbl damage to all other L 21:28 but yeah you're a priest 21:28 Yeah, Priest here 21:28 I'm tempted to say he is not killable by this role 21:29 Oh yeah, on that note. 21:29 What's with the whole "#turn not working on zombies" thing. 21:29 I forgot if I've asked. 21:31 eh? 21:31 first i'm hearing of it 21:31 I almost never use #turn because it is like paralyzing yourself but last time I checked it worked fine on zombies 21:32 It happened during a few of my Knight playthroughs 21:32 huh 21:32 ok, wizmode time 21:32 what level were you? 21:33 I also tagged you in general complaints about it previously. 21:33 Unfortunately don't recall, due to my current mental state. 21:33 I wager that's related, of course. 21:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Bar Gia Fem Neu) murdered her faithful ancient pseudodragon, on T:14605 21:35 i honestly have zero recollection of you or anyone telling me #turn wasnt working vs zombies 21:35 thats kind of a big deal 21:36 i would think that's something i would remember :( 21:37 mobileuser killed Vecna as an infidel - https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1619680507.evil.html 21:37 i think vaderflag *died* to vecna 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Lolth, on T:65294 21:40 Using Sunsword I can see Vecna being a little more achievable maybe 21:41 I distinctly remember a ping in #hardfought. 21:41 Excuse me a moment... 21:42 He was immune to the effects of death magic? I don't think I've ever seen that status before 21:42 Is that an infidel thing? 21:42 Demons are immune to death rays and such 21:43 May 16 01:07:23 <@ShivanHunter> there should be some kind of anti-zombie artifact in evilhack 21:43 May 16 01:10:37 <@ShivanHunter> like a chainsaw that can kill a zombie so it doesn't leave a corpse to revive 21:43 May 16 01:11:20 * stenno (~stenno@unaffiliated/chao) has joined 21:43 May 16 01:14:35 love how #turn does literal fuck all to them also 21:43 May 16 01:14:41 thanks K2 >:c 21:43 ^ 21:43 I'll probably look through tty to be absolutely sure of this, god knows I've missed shit before. 21:44 ...jesus christ, how many bones are on this floor again? 21:44 I think all 3 were illithid. 21:53 sunsword destroys zombie so they can't reanimate 21:56 K2: I think the ttyrecs of the game in question were from the 13th. 21:56 Currently going through my stuff now to save you digging. 21:57 Umbire: I just tested and #turn as a knight destroyed the zombie near me 21:58 So it might've been a level thing. 21:58 Or something else. 21:58 Regardless, I want to be sure. 21:58 idk my character was level 1 21:58 but yeah I don't know how it works exactly, maybe it did some damage but not in a 'visible' way 22:01 for what its worth, i have not changed anything in regards to how #turn works vs vanilla 22:02 sorry stepped away for a bit, had a phone call 22:03 yeah turn worked just fine, i destroyed a human zombie (dorf knight) 22:03 lemme try as chaotic knight 22:03 My head is going to melt trying to think of a way of putting a dent in Vecna with this priest 22:03 oh my 22:04 dark knight, turn does fuck all 22:04 time to look at the code 22:04 i mean in a way that makes sense... 22:04 hah instead of destroying them it should tame them 22:05 and for reference - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Turn_undead 22:06 oh shit, they ARE peaceful 22:06 hahaha 22:06 'Certain classes of undead monsters (indicated in the table below), if successfully turned, make a second resistance check. A monster which fails this check becomes peaceful if you are chaotic, or is killed instantly otherwise.' 22:07 Umbire can you recall if you were a lawful or chaotic knight? 22:07 Lawful distinctly. 22:08 Dwarven knight, was eager to give the bearded axe a spin. 22:08 krm26: I've been trying all sorts of things with a wizard in wizmode. The only thing that even scratched vecna was sunsword (so far) 22:09 fire/cold didn't do anything. Acid has a little bit of effect. 22:10 I assume he is cockatrice-immune 22:10 Salutations wizard, welcome to EvilHack! You are a lawful female dwarven Knight. 22:10 Calling upon Lugh, you chant an arcane formula. You destroy the giant zombie! 22:10 Umbire where were you? 22:10 He isn't, apparently. 22:10 #turn wont work in gehennom 22:10 At least, not according to the generated nhtohtml files. 22:10 Really? 22:10 >me 22:10 >in Gehennom 22:10 >in EvilHack 22:11 @e?Vecna 22:11 Vecna (L) | Lvl: 99 | Diff: 50 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -10 | Attacks: 8d6 touch cold, 6d6 touch wither, 3d4 gaze Death, 4d6 cast spell, 4d6 cast clerical | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous 22:11 Like, if you could think about that for a second. 22:11 Me being that good at this game. 22:11 You know I've just always assumed all liches are petrification resistant, I've never even checked 22:11 they arent 22:12 Well doh 22:12 So instead of being impossible Vecna is trivial 22:12 however, the higher level casters can cast stone to flesh on themselves 22:12 Oh 22:12 Oh blast 22:12 Cancel/petrify? 22:12 its not perfect, if you catch them at the right time they'll turn to stone before they can cast it 22:12 I was wondering if cancel would prevent him from putting up reflection so I could mm him 22:14 i dont think cancel works against being able to cast 22:14 Wish there was a silence spell 22:14 Or antimagic shell 22:15 It would be worth monsters having it 22:15 Umbire i'm not seeing anything wrong with knights using #turn. i've conducted about 2 dozen tests now, i'm not seeing anything wrong 22:16 yeah cancel doesnt affect monster casting 22:17 hmm no i take that back... 22:18 it DOES work 22:18 but, vecna has monster MR of 90 22:18 A minute, please. 22:18 good luck getting past that. its doable... just need to be persistient and have a bit of luck 22:18 That's pretty high 22:18 Sounds like it is dual-wielded cockatrix 22:19 (cockatrix should use the flail skill, you swing them by their tails) 22:19 heh 22:19 I made the comment on the 16th, so it's from before that date... trying the 5/13 recs now. 22:20 [21:43] May 16 01:14:35 love how #turn does literal fuck all to them also 22:20 [21:43] May 16 01:14:41 thanks K2 >:c 22:20 Yes, that is the comment I was referring to. 22:20 ^ that isnt going to get my attention nearly as well as say, sending me a !tell about the exact issue 22:20 irc would have only highlighted me on 'thanks k2' 22:20 I was griping because I'd presumed it was a thing you did intentially. 22:21 its possible i just skimmed it over while looking at other messages 22:21 ah, assumptions 22:21 i see 22:22 Then I just sucked it up and resolved to do without for a bit. 22:23 I've been lazy this game about assembling cursed potions of invisibility and I regret it 22:23 welp. i didnt touch #turn behavior 22:24 krm26, maybe step back for a bit. ask mobileuser what he did 22:24 acid blast would work 22:24 Well you did find a thing with chaotic knights destroying where they should be taming. 22:24 footrice corpse (if lucky and persistient) 22:24 So I guess I did that much right. 22:24 Umbire no 22:24 I guess. 22:24 dark knight just made them peaceful 22:24 at first i thought they didnt do anything 22:24 Is acid blast really a worthwhile spell at unskilled? 22:25 and then i noticed i wasnt being attacked 22:25 krm26 the damage output is based on your exp level, not your skill 22:25 just like all the other spells lil mm, fireball, etc 22:25 *like 22:26 Am I insane? I thought magic missile was level based but not the area effect spells. Am I thinking back like 10 years ago, or just crazypants? 22:26 Umbire - so dark knight, #turn was working as intended (per vanilla rules) 22:26 Mm. 22:27 krm26 - the effect of spells like fireball and cone of cold is skill dependent 22:27 area of effect or just a ray 22:28 acid blast works the same way 22:29 I've long accepted that this is likely the natural result of me being an incompetent shit who can't even manage to fuck up consistently, but I still want to be sure. 22:29 Anyway, I found where I started messing with knights for a bit, so. 22:29 why are you dumping on yourself like that? stop that 22:30 you've played a grand total of 13 evilhack games 22:31 there's a bit of a learning curve, you wont know how everything works exactly until you really play all the way through a few times 22:31 it does seem to not work sometimes if your character is low level, so maybe that's what happened Umbire 22:31 idk what the rules are for when it works or not but when I am testing it, often nothing seems to happen when my character is level 1 22:31 Maybe. 22:32 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Turn_undead#Destruction.2FPacification 22:32 TL;DR dont even attempt using #turn unless you're exp level 6 or higher 22:32 ugh the formulae on the wiki are so hard to read 22:33 https://0x0.st/-jFw.png 22:33 why does it gotta be like that :( 22:33 Ping aos about it. 22:33 Similar problem with the 3.6.6 template. 22:33 Antialiasing that presumes default light mode. 22:35 I've definitely at least scared off undead when using it under level 6 in vanilla, though. 22:35 Not necessarily destroyed. 22:35 I don't think it really matters anymore anyway. 22:35 I'm sure aosdict knows about it already since someone brought it up on this page, which he told people to use to post issues with the theme https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Darkvector.css 22:36 the formulae being black & having white artifacts around the edges I mean 22:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:66750 22:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:66750 22:38 -!- qt has quit [Quit: goodnight] 22:38 I've told him about it as well. 22:38 Oh. 22:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:67346 22:51 Hey, Orcus killed himself with his own acid spells, I'm innocent 22:52 awesome 22:53 I somehow ended up with 117/106 HP 22:55 Assuming this is death-ray related somehow. 22:56 Wand of Orcus 22:58 yeah its been reported before, if you drink a potion of helaing or whatever it goes back to normal 22:58 i'm not sure what causes that 22:58 i need to look at artifact.c again see if anything pops out at me 22:58 *healing 23:15 Somehow I'm brainless enough to think of an actual wand and not the mace. 23:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Poseidon, on T:68221 23:22 Dammit 23:23 I gotta learn to stop doing that to check my timeout 23:23 I am of the opinion that Trollsbane is still *overall* cheeks, but it definitely has potential to be good. 23:24 It is like my 8,000th stupid artifact weapon I don't want 23:24 Hungerless regen on melee-heavy roles is actually nice to have. 23:24 (In reference to xNetHack specifically.) 23:25 Well my little Vecna experiment almost halved my permanent HP...sigh 23:25 poly time 23:25 I'm gonna go shower and... think. 23:26 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32 krm26: any solution to the vecna problem? 23:32 I haven't implemented it yet but I'm going to give a cockatrice a try 23:32 Unfortunately I've lost about 100 permanent HP so I need to address that first 23:37 Will have to be another day though, I'm defeated for the night -- later 23:39 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45 thanks for giving it a shot! 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 7 points, T:443, killed by a water moccasin 23:55 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Val Cen Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9867 23:59 Dang. Vecna unstoned. "Vecna casts a spell! Vecna seems limber! You smell the odor of meat."