00:20 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/J3nvQ 00:21 [EvilHack] k21971 c61e150 - Adjust how often Grimtooth can disease its target. 00:56 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:06 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12 -!- jonadab has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- infinigon has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- Umbire has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- aoei has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- aosdict has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- FIQ has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- nabru has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- Arahael has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- Tangles has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- K2 has quit [*.net *.split] 01:12 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [*.net *.split] 01:26 -!- bouquet_ has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- jonadab has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- infinigon has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- Arahael has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- aoei has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- bhaak has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- nabru has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- FIQ has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- K2 has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- mode/#evilhack [+o K2] by card.freenode.net 03:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 709 points, T:2583, killed by a giant mosquito, while sleeping 04:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 728 points, T:1813, killed by a giant mosquito 04:29 Can monks wear a shield _at all_ whilst fighting? 04:30 Just wondering if I should toss this mithril roundshield or not. I'm leaning towards tossing it. 04:52 Wands of poly indeed don't auto-id when engraving. 05:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (rust monsters), on T:5086 05:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:1917 05:17 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 05:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:8753 06:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] commodore96 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1710 points, T:3662, zombified by an elf zombie 06:36 Nice, I could lift that hill giant shaman corpse. Moloch altar achieved! 06:36 \o/ 07:00 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to her by Mars, on T:85131 07:16 When I blow an iron magic whistle as an elf it doesn't hurt my lips 07:17 I can only hope that this massive oversight has been fixed in .7 07:18 lol 07:22 [hdf-us] [evil] NCommander (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 1738 points, T:3455, killed by a fire ant 07:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13337 07:47 Hmm. Killing the oracle, what's involved? 07:48 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:49 I'm Xp 9, and have only 69 HP, so I think it's too risky, yeah? I do have a trice corpse, though... 07:49 why do you want to? is the 8-ball now a much sweeter prize? 07:50 I've never had the 8-ball. 07:52 it gives warning which is really useful 07:53 Yeah, just noticed that, really it's the possible wish I want, as I'm a monk and alreayd have warning. 07:54 Oracle killing is supposed to be a lot harder in 0.7 07:54 I'm just wary that I might anger the oracle (which is definitely going to happen), and then she'll kill me. 07:54 yup 07:55 Used to be easy with a ranged attack 07:55 mobileuser: Hmm, so I'd best not. I mean, I have a 'trice corpse, but that still gives the oracle 3 turns to seriously kill me 3 times. 07:55 Arahael: it's not worth trying for the wish 07:57 Hmm, was afraid of that. 07:57 Maybe I'll kill her on the way back up when I'm an OP monk. 07:57 If I'm still in the game. 08:24 I just got poisoned!?!? As an Xp 9 monk? I must've lost the intrinsic to a gremlin? How do I get it back? 08:25 you could drain your xlvl down to 2 then quaff restore ability to level up again 08:25 That sounds crazy. :( 08:25 or just acquire poison resistance in the usual ways 08:25 it's not that crazy, are you chaotic? could try get stormbringe 08:25 I'm neutral. 08:26 Hmm. 08:26 probs best to just try get poison res normally then 08:27 Yeah, I think so too. This is new territory for me as a monk. 08:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 18470 points, T:7432, killed by a giant zombie 08:34 That was a really promising game, just not good without poison resistance. 08:38 how did you lose poison resistance 08:39 Not sure, but I remember a gremlin, and it made me feel a bit sick, so I guess that was when I lost it. 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:89899 10:27 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 10:31 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:36 Wearing Dragonbane + BDSM I no longer get Dragonbane burning messages when dragons melee me, I only get the disintegrate messages 10:37 Oh this might be different in .7 I should hold off on mentioning odd stuff until I finish this game 10:41 hmm 10:41 i dont think i ever took into account 2 or more items being worn at the same time that have a passive effect 10:41 doh hahahah 10:42 that will require further investigation 10:46 yeah before you port dtsund-dsm you should decide what to do when someone is wearing dragonbane, scaled armor, and a set of scales 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:91193 10:51 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:12 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:91641 11:32 -!- amateurhour has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 11:59 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5799 points, T:3517, killed by a chameleon imitating an iron golem 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Inf Hum Mal Una), 336 points, T:768, killed by a magic missile 12:41 Hmmm dtsund-dsm doesn't sound like a change I would enjoy 12:41 SCARY NEW THINGS 12:42 yeah :-) 12:42 it's the xnh change to dsm where dragon scales are cloak slot items, but you can fuse it into ordinary armour like e.g. mithril plate mail 12:42 yeah I saw that when I was wondering what to play 12:43 and you thought 'scary new thing = no'? :P 12:43 pass! 12:46 I think it's pretty cool 12:46 it adds a lot more depth to late game armor selection 12:47 how would you use it, qt? 12:48 might consider using cloak of reflection (silver dragon scales) 12:48 I made a gray scaled mithril dwarven ring mail in my last xnh game 12:48 and yeah you can use silver dragon scales as a reflective cloak which is cool 12:50 i'll have to think on this. one big advantage of dragon scale mail is no interference with casting 12:51 you can apply it to crystal plate mail 12:51 so making gray scaled mithril doesn't strike me as appealing 12:51 yeah I was playing a samurai so that wasn't really a consideration for me 12:51 crystal, possibly but still not convinced 12:52 i assume you can still make dsm the old way 12:52 no, you can't, not in xnh 12:52 that's part of the problem with the current dragon scale mail system, they are just universally good. good AC, low weight, good for casters, etc. 12:52 ok. that is an issue 12:53 by applying it to normal armor you have to commit to some trade offs 12:53 I like this 12:53 yeah, well this is why we can't have nice things 12:53 sorry, I don't see a problem with DSM being universally good 12:53 Too easy to get stupid high AC in evilhack, wouldn't be horrible to bring it down a little 12:53 dev nerf syndrome triggered 12:54 all this does is make players seek out crystal mail 12:54 I didn't feel cheated at all by the new system when I played xnh. maybe it would be different if I were playing a magic user idk 12:55 you weren't cheated 12:55 to be clear i am neither for nor against the change. i just want to understand it 12:56 it's only body armour that can be 'dragon-scaled' like this btw, in case you were wondering 12:56 also unless k2 sucks it into evilhack, this discussion is happening in the wrong channel 12:56 so no like t-shirts of reflection 12:57 if scales are in the cloak slot it adds a source of acid resistance. what mc do they grant? 12:58 without double checking, I think my +3 cloak of invisibility and a +0 dragon scales provided about the same AC in my xnh game 12:58 I can't remember, think it might be 0 mc 12:58 oh mc 12:58 o mc is bad 12:58 0 12:59 unless you like getting drained a lot 12:59 yeah, you'd have to rely on mc from other sources 12:59 like body armour and superbag 13:00 or have tshirt of decay or whatever 13:00 in evil sure. there's nothing like those things in xnh 13:00 the artifact BoH provides mc? 13:00 I didn't know that 13:00 +1 13:00 cool 13:00 yeah it's +1 not just 1 13:00 like a ring of protection? 13:00 yes 13:01 tbh (k2 look away) the superbag is op 13:01 hothraxxa I was reacting to "yeah before you port dtsund-dsm you should decide what to do when someone is wearing dragonbane, scaled armor, and a set of scales" 13:02 add chromatic dragon scales 13:02 I mean I think K2 said at some point in the past that they'd be tempted to take it but wanted to see how it goes 13:03 yeah 13:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 17606 points, T:9944, burned by a fireball 13:13 far travel with the _ key will walk you into shallow water and rust boots. I've complained about it before, but at this point i guess it's my fault! should be wearing mithril 13:15 that would be an easy fix if k2 wants to change it 13:16 paranoid travel with _ ? 13:16 rebatela: that's clearly an operator problem 13:16 well it stops at the real water 13:16 why not just jump in the ocean if it's not supposed to stop 13:17 good point, EPI 13:17 i'm not really complaining. I've known about it forever. it is indeed my fault 13:18 i think i'm the only one who moves around like that anyway 13:19 no i use _ some of the time 13:19 mostly to traverse explored levels 13:21 oh this bitch nymph 13:21 stole my robe and gloves etc 13:21 i was able to get them back 13:21 but she put them into my empty (at the time ) but cursed bag of holding 13:21 i killed the nymph 13:21 nbut now my stuff will vanish if i don't cancel the bag or uncurse or whatever 13:22 what's the stuff? 13:22 robe, gloves, whatever elese she stole 13:22 very early game 13:22 but good start (or it was ) 13:22 fountain dipping will uncurse it if you think you can handle moccasins and water demons 13:22 not first dip though right? 13:22 it's just a chance? 13:22 or maybe a water nymph heh heh 13:23 like eventually 13:23 yeah 13:23 if i tip the bag does the stuff vanish? 13:23 not first dip. you know that the feeling of loss you get is when you dipped something not cursed that the fountain would have uncursed, right? 13:23 yes stuff has a chance of vanishing when tipped 13:23 oh i see that's when it would have uncursed it ? 13:23 yes 13:24 i never understood that message. cool 13:24 so you have an idea how often it happens (fairly often) 13:24 are you sure shallow water doesn't stop travel? 13:24 i uncurse in fountains a fair amount in early game 13:24 im looking at the code and it seems like it should 13:24 I know. and he's tested it and has said i'm wrong the last time i brought it up 13:24 but it just happened to me twice 13:24 definitely not a typo 13:25 hmmmm 13:25 back to back. different puddles 13:25 oh wait 13:25 did you start your travel from directly adjacent to a puddle? 13:26 not sure i don't think so 13:26 if the very first step you travel is into a puddle it won't stop it 13:26 no it's not like that 13:26 similar happens with ^movement if you're right next to any water 13:26 it's like I try to travel to the upstair from the downstair in the mines and it walks through puddles and rusts boots 13:28 I was so happy i was able to kill this nymph by throwing crossbow bolts at it ! turns out she got the last laugh with this cursed bag. I figured she'd just have my armor 13:29 oh I think I might know what is going on... 13:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Gia Fem Una) killed the Oracle, on T:20260 13:29 \o/ 13:29 STILL super easy 13:30 \o/ 13:30 lol nice 13:33 if your character has to "turn a corner" to avoid terrain, and there's a puddle around the corner, the "corner" is prioritized and the puddle won't stop the character 13:33 yeah it doesn't happen every time 13:34 because it only checks for the square immediately in front of the character, but if the character "turns a corner" which square is "in front" changes 13:34 which is why I assume it's not intended behavior or operator error ;) 13:37 oh sweet I had remove curse unid'd > wielded the bag > got my armor back 13:38 probably the only time i've been grateful the $80 scroll wasn't enchant armor 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3507 13:40 qt: if you look at my game right now, this is when it happened and it looks like it is indeed a corner 13:40 like if i try to travel to the upstair it steps in that puddle 13:41 never happens with deep water though 13:42 should the '_' command never even try to pathfind you through a puddle then? 13:43 maybe it could check whether your boots are known erodeproof or mithril and allow it in that case... 13:43 i dunno but it has nothing to do with corners because i just splashed right through.. It's probably supposed to do that 13:43 evil or whatever 13:43 hothraxxa seems to think it's me sucking 13:43 like now i'm wearing steel so it doesn't matter and it just says you splash through the water 13:44 i think it's not supposed to do that, there's a commit 3e89077 with message "autotravel using _ will stop at shallow water" 13:44 but with regular boots they will rust off completely 13:48 no regular boots are leather 13:50 dwarvish boots 13:50 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4143 13:57 [backscroll] I promised aosdict i wouldnt touch dtsund-armor until late this year or early next, if at all 13:57 but i think its cool. xnh will be the first variant i play for junethack this year so i'll give it a spin 13:58 if you're a spellcaster, just apply the scales to either crystal plate or armor/studded armor 13:59 hmm since dragonhide is a thing in evilhack but not xnethack - should dragon scales be allowed onto dragonhide armor/studded armor? (prob not) 13:59 yes they should ;) 13:59 heh 14:00 hothraxxa you want me to nerf the superbag? OK 14:00 * K2 whips out the nerf bat 14:00 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 14:00 ^ kidding 14:00 heya krm26 14:01 Hola 14:01 Hello krm26, Welcome to #evilhack 14:02 Trying to decide if I guts out the centaur horde at the beginning of the ranger quest without reflection 14:04 if you have to think about it, prob shouldnt 14:04 :P 14:04 I'm trying to avoid getting stuck in a 10,000 turn grind waiting for something to change 14:04 it'll put hairs on your chest 14:05 and make you grow at least 2 inches taller 14:05 How's your AC/ resists? 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7435 points, T:4710, killed by a warg 14:05 hothraxxa: fwiw, the motivation for the dtsund dsm system wasn't "dsm op nerf it" so much as "let's try to vary the asc kit a bit from a binary gdsm/sdsm choice" 14:05 Bad weapon, very little bow ammo, MR, free action 14:05 ^ that' 14:05 but the reason they are so overrepresented in ascension kits is because they're so op 14:06 so they aren't exactly totally unrelated motivations ;) 14:06 MR and reflection are so critical, kinda think they would allow for better balance if they had 3 tiers like MC, and single levels of them were scattered across different equipment instead of there being pieces of uber-gear 14:08 Like you could maybe get full reflection from the shield, or 2/3 from SDSM and 1/3 from a ring, or whatever 14:10 or need X number of items together to get full reflection 14:10 slex 14:10 need triple reflection to be safe 14:10 hah 14:10 noooooooooooo 14:11 I jest but in fact that's what you'd end up with 14:11 slex is the definition of too much of a good thing 14:11 Complexity and variety is good if it follows a strict internal logic 14:11 Are there any variants that add pants? 14:11 aosdict yeah 14:11 If it exists to exist, then, not so much (IMO) 14:11 if there are 3 levels of reflection, what do you do as the designer when the hero faces an incoming death ray and has reflection 2? they don't have reflection 3, so they can't be totally safe... right? 14:12 VaderFLAG slex maybe 14:12 You're 66% dead 14:12 I refuse to play a game that makes me wear pants 14:12 i think body armor implies pants 14:12 Not my armor 14:12 hah 14:12 i want tight leather bejeweled battle shorts that are 3 sizes too small 14:12 There should definitely be an artifact gender-neutral codpiece somewhere 14:12 "The Welcomer" 14:13 like this - https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/b5/f0/b2b5f0786a5cb72dddf00d81fd3b9de8.jpg 14:13 Vanishes adjacent *cubi for full healing 14:14 There's no codpiece in .7? 14:14 What's K2 been working on this whole time? 14:14 lulz 14:14 barding 14:14 and readable hawaiian shirts 14:14 (from qt) 14:15 the shirts were priority 14:16 and for good reason 14:16 i needed the beatings to stop 14:16 lol 14:16 hah 14:16 I'm not sure how I escaped his wrath 14:16 oh man. I love starting with an altar on DL1 (bye bye pet) 14:17 slex has hawaiian shorts if that counts 14:17 I think the ring of warning should also give you an exact turn-count to instadeath during stoning, drowning, suffocation, sliming 14:17 that's a really punny idea, YANI^ 14:18 side topic - this is so weird, it was snowing this morning, now its sunny, 44 degrees out and my back yard is full of yellow dandelion flowers 14:18 "Your ring of warning vibrates twice", "Your ring of warning vibrates once" 14:18 that's such a clever idea 14:18 shame the ideas archive hasn't been updated since last year :( 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law), 465 points, T:1003, killed by a gnome lord 14:19 this version feels harder 14:19 i can't put my finger on it 14:19 i dont want to mow until the clovers bloom 14:19 but i keep splatting 14:19 help the bees 14:20 Weird, I don't think my pet has ever attacked anything this game 14:22 hmm i was sometimes noticing this in wizmode too 14:22 glad you brought it up 14:23 anyone else seeing that? 14:23 this is where qt speculates 14:24 I've played a handful of games in the past day or so trying to get a ranger that sticks and I *suspect* that in several of them my pets have never fought, but I can't confidently say that has been true of every game 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:96684 14:24 I'll pay more attention now 14:24 did you ever get a pet that wasn't the starting pet? 14:24 Damn, VaderFLAG is racing me to first elf ranger ascension 14:25 Yes, this is not the starting pet 14:25 they've been farming for something for a while so you might be able to catch up... 14:25 oh was that it? stormbringer? 14:25 If it's a race >100k turns definitely doesn't rate as fast 14:25 I've been trying to get crowned for AGES 14:25 can you remember what types of pets you had? just in case it's relevant 14:25 ahhh I've been watching you play. Was wondering 14:25 I have never had to work so hard for crowning 14:25 haha 14:25 i hear ya 14:25 Well, I'm not confident I can even shepherd this toon through the ranger quest 14:26 And of course I get stormbringer as a sac gift instead 14:26 Which is GREAT actually so now I can get crowned and unrestrict long sword for Sunsword 14:26 I was only running it for the evilhack-first so I suppose I'll swap combos when I inevitably die 14:26 Or maybe I'll die 14:27 nah you got this 14:27 If you do please mail me your bones 14:27 lol 14:27 Well we'll see soon. Next fresh dlvl is Orcus + 2x alhoon 14:27 I'm swinging a bearded axe in my studded leather armor so I'm pretty much a complete vegetable 14:27 did you do the new branch? 14:27 I'm still on .6 14:28 This is an old game i'm finishing 14:28 are you doing genoless again? 14:28 oh 14:28 i had no idea haha 14:28 Yeah always genoless 14:28 i thought you were far along in the new game 14:28 I think I can get away with no pile this game too 14:28 I don't know how you can bear to play without readable hawaiian shirts 14:28 I started this one back on February 14:28 god qt are you in the pocket of Big Shirt or something 14:28 haha 14:28 Heh, I just ascended a toon I had lying around since February when I saw the .7 announcement 14:29 yeah in the breast pocket 14:29 I have intentionally not read the .7 patch notes yet 14:29 The best part of 0.70 is how everything is now pink 14:29 the fleecy colours really add to the sense of danger 14:29 Pink is the most dangerous color, it is known 14:29 it is known 14:29 Or, I should say, "color" 14:30 F*cking pink 14:30 Extra-spectral colors can eat me 14:30 are you referring to how it doesn't real and we all hallucinate it 14:31 Stimulating all three types of cones at once is against Glob's law 14:37 Bag of H is +1MC right, so Robe + Bag of H is max? I feel so evilhack rusty 14:39 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:41 yes 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:5519 14:42 thanks 14:42 aosdict: i get your philosophy but i think all you're doing is moving the optimum players will seek 14:42 ? 14:43 instead og going for sdsm/gdsm, players will now go for gray/silver infused crystal plate 14:43 with assorted edge cases as usual 14:45 K2: I think I just got a message, "The magic missile hits it.", for a gnoll who triggered a beam trap on another part of the level I can't see 14:46 Also VaderFLAG if you bought intrinsic protection then armour MC1 + superbag also makes MC3 14:46 Oh that's nice, I thought you could only get one +1 14:46 yeah it's a weird vanilla thing 14:47 somehow things start adding up if you have all three 14:47 crystal plate is heavy though, if you're not a spellcaster would you want it over say mith dwarf armour hothraxxa? 14:47 maybe not 14:47 or dragonhide leather 14:47 in evil crystal plate is lighter. i don't recall what xnh does 14:48 it's same weight as vanilla in xnh iirc 14:48 Everything is better when made out of dragonhide -- armor, pizza, condoms, etc. 14:48 tin openers 14:48 dragons 14:49 huh maybe that's why 2 out of 3 dragons don't drop scales 14:49 they weren't made out of dragonhide 14:52 K2 a human shopkeeper is offering me (giant) vanilla prices for my stuff, has something changed there? 14:52 (not complaining, just noticing) 14:53 hothraxxa: right so now the choices vary a lot more based on your character build. if you're a wizard packrat you might go for even dragon scaled leather armor, because maybe the AC doesn't matter all that much to you 14:53 I'm still waiting to see a black-scaled leather jacket for maxim style points 14:56 The point isn't to defy certain optimum so much as ensure players won't always go for the same maximum 14:56 optimum* 14:57 i dont think there's any special price adjustment between human <-> giant 14:57 e.g. mithril elven armor for the enchantment to +7 14:57 K2: I think I just got a message, "The magic missile hits it.", for a gnoll who triggered a beam trap on another part of the level I can't see <--- duly notied 14:57 noted 14:57 plus whatever scales you attack 14:57 attach* 14:57 i thought i took care of that already, huh 14:57 that's my current plan anyway 15:01 Oops sorry K2, looked in the wrong row 15:02 that table on the wiki may be suspect 15:04 The wiki table is definitely not entirely accurate (as someone who relies heavily on price ID) 15:05 Luckily it is easy to calibrate each shopkeeper's multiplier with a known item 15:12 Ugh, only altar in Minetown, no way to generate monsters...I'm going to be camping this altar for a weapon for 10000 turns 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Mars, on T:100682 15:22 \o/ 15:22 yay! 15:22 after 100 kiloturns! 15:22 I have never ever gotten so much divine protection before 15:22 Unwanted! 15:22 Unneeded! 15:23 Time to Stormbringer your pet 15:24 Time to go fight some alhoons :| 15:25 That's a job for a levitating ranger 15:25 aosdict: yes i understand the goal and i hope it works 15:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Mars, on T:23027 15:26 Oh fuck you Mars 15:27 I'm swinging a wet noodle here and you give me gloves...not even dragonhide 15:29 those are isotoners tho 15:30 Mars is going to make me do the quest swinging a bearded axe with no arrows for my bow 15:30 how you like the bearded axe? 15:31 The bearded axe is excellent 15:31 Except presumably it doesn't do its disarm trick at the basic skill level I can achieve 15:31 try it 15:31 it can disarm shields too 15:31 How are you out of arrows 15:32 Oh, is it an application thing? Thought it was a proc 15:32 I'll give it a shot 15:32 use it like you'd use a bullwhip 15:38 are you going to make an artifact bearded axe K2? 15:38 excalibeard? 15:39 i dunno yet 15:39 i kinda feel like there are enough artifacts, maybe even too many 15:39 however, an alternative to cleaver would be cool 15:39 there's not too many enough imo 15:40 orcs and elves have their special artifacts, why not dorfs 15:40 oh k2 there's a problem here 15:40 with the bearded axe 15:40 ... 15:41 normally an axe can be used to chop down a tree or a door, but the bearded axe acts as though you swung it through thin air if you try to do either of those things 15:41 hrm 15:41 oh... 15:41 in fact it does the "swoosh" if you hit a wall or anything else 15:41 i presume because that used to be the whip crack sound effect 15:42 yeah 15:42 idk if it necessarily /needs/ to be able to chop down a door, maybe that's a minor tradeoff between it and a normal axe.. but at the very least the swoosh seems odd since you're swinging it into something solid 15:42 ah yeah because (a)pply 15:43 any axe should be able to chop down the things 15:43 There ARE too many artifacts 15:43 They should be formed into groups of 3 or 4 and only one from each set (random) should be available each game 15:44 That lets you keep cool artifacts, differentiate games, etc 15:45 Everyone knows you #invoke a bearded axe to chop down a tree! 15:56 -!- EvilBot has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57 -!- mode/EvilBot [+Zi] by EvilBot 15:57 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #evilhack to: EvilHack: a NetHack variant ¤ https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack ¤ version 0.7.0 availble for public play on #hardfought ¤ see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack for gameplay information ¤ Bug tracker and future development ideas - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack 15:57 -!- qt has quit [Quit: be back later] 15:57 You start cutting the tree. You hit the tree with all your might. You cut down the tree. 15:57 ^ bearded axe 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:9834 16:14 K2: I show a 38% failure casting light at level 11 with no armor on and basic divination -- but seem to be able to cast it without failure (as I should) 16:15 what else are you wearing? 16:15 lemme look 16:15 I didn't take off my rings 16:16 you're wearing metal boots and an elven shield 16:16 I am now. I had them off 16:16 int is 14 16:17 -- so I just cast it 10 times in a row successfully with a genuine 38% failure chance? 16:17 level 11, basic in div? 16:17 yeah its possible 16:17 lemme see 16:17 maybe you just got lucky 16:17 That is a .8% chance 16:18 not impossible 16:18 If I'm that lucky why the fuck don't I have a weapon or reflection :-) 16:19 You fail to cast the spell correctly. 16:19 ^ same conditions 16:19 2nd try 16:19 level 11, basic in div, 14 int 16:19 38% fail 16:19 Damn, way to blow my low percentage roll 16:20 i live to serve 16:20 sigh 16:22 ? 16:22 Sad about the wall of bad luck I've been slamming this character's head into for 11,000 turns 16:23 In the same boat turn 24k as at 13k -- no reflection, swinging a borderline weapon and with no ranged ammo, trying to do the ranger quest 16:23 I guess I'll just go die to a centaur with a wand of death 16:31 yeah it happens 16:31 i've had vanilla games, never see a magic lamp or a amrker, or not find reflection until the VotD 16:31 or 16:31 *marker 16:32 Hah, so of course I find dragonhide gloves, since I have the gloves my god gave me in lieu of a weapon 16:32 Dragonhide ANYTHING ELSE come ON 16:32 This game is laughing at me 16:32 dragonhide is very rare 16:33 Right -- so of course it would drop in the only item it doesn't matter for 16:33 of course. the RNG hates us all 16:35 !tell qt this is what I have for allowing a bearded axe to chop down trees/doors - https://termbin.com/78hc - first swing is always a 'swoosh' though. still looking at it 16:35 No worries, K2, I've got this! 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 230 points, T:1039, killed by a large mimic 16:37 Amazing, no centaurs with wands of death 16:45 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law), 60314 points, T:12522, killed by a xorn 16:49 Has the minotaur killed all the hunters yet krm26 17:00 ok wow "The giant spider entangles you in a web, but you rip through it!" 17:01 Seems like standard for giants 17:04 The minotaur did none of the work for me and would have clowned all over me except for a handy beartrap 17:07 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:102469 17:10 K2: My bearded axe does nothing but swoosh at trees as well 17:10 Umbire I meant the "entangling in a web attack" 17:10 that's new to me 17:10 Nevermind, I see I can force-fight them 17:11 krm26 in the quest home level? 17:11 Ah 17:11 Yeah spiders do that now 17:11 Home 2 17:12 I right, I think those trees should be choppable 17:14 any fixes for that arent on the server yet 17:14 still testing 17:14 i have it working but there's a quirk i wanna iron out 17:15 I want to chop my trees into arrows, not bananas! 17:16 Just polymorph the tree 4Head 17:16 I want an artifact quiver container that takes bolts and arrows of any type or enchantment and converts them all into standard arrows 17:17 Garbage in, arrows out 17:18 An artifact purse container, only accepts gems and gold, orders everything by score/weight, adjusts its name to show you the score it is worth :-) 17:25 :) 17:25 alright i'm away for the next few hours, back later 17:28 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:33 -!- cccrow has joined #evilhack 17:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 5907 points, T:5018, killed by a dwarf lady 18:13 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1142 points, T:1359, killed by a hobbit 18:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 698 points, T:986, killed by a mountain dwarf 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 107 points, T:664, killed by a fox 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a leather golem, on T:5049 18:30 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Candidate, on T:1737 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 4062 points, T:5196, killed by an owlbear, while praying 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Demogorgon, on T:103024 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:103070 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 3200 points, T:4502, killed by a bolt of cold 18:55 -!- cccrow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00 -!- cccrow has joined #evilhack 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:103556 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:103557 20:04 did anyone ascend the new game yet? ('ll hang up and go back to the other channel) 20:04 not yet 20:05 perhaps you can be the first 20:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] zor (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 838 points, T:1170, killed by a piranha 20:28 amateurhour: perhaps you can be the first 20:32 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:33 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 20:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had an ironshod staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1357 20:51 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4106 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:104687 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:104687 21:00 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:104702 21:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 1618 points, T:3278, killed by a giant ant 21:04 oh, you guys are also here. 21:05 Correct 21:06 nice 21:20 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:104894 21:20 cccrow: only evil peeps here. 21:21 😈 21:23 sup 21:23 mostly doing general wiki work atm 21:23 may circle back to some actual evil after a bit of xnh 21:24 Umbire: uodating the wiki to 0.7? 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:104968 21:25 Nah everyone else took care of that 21:25 Or most of it anyway 21:26 nice. 21:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of elven boots entrusted to her by Mars, on T:27592 21:31 Oh suck my left tit Mars 21:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Geryon, on T:105366 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1208 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1025 points, T:1288, killed by a hobbit 21:40 rip 21:41 "Blasted squidthing had me dagger somehow..." 21:41 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 21:43 woo 21:46 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Hea Hob Mal Neu), 1858 points, T:3933, quit 21:50 ^ what are these text? 21:50 those noise 21:50 not this ^(traps) 21:51 example? 21:51 what EvilBot says 21:51 He's talking about EvilBot livelogging 21:51 Or they rather 21:52 ah. that. :) 21:52 Dunno them well so 21:52 so yeah, what's the deal with that? 21:52 It's livelogging. 21:52 Just evilhack-specific. 21:53 Notable events in each player's game on the server 21:53 ohh, like an achievement/announcement system 21:53 nice 21:53 Sortakinda? 21:53 There's also the dumplogs for that 21:53 Yeah, though they're mostly dubious achievements 21:54 Since the majority of them are announcing a death 21:55 all your embarassing deaths, haha 21:55 cccrow, whenever you see EvilBot (or Beholder in #hardfought) announce a death or ascension , that's an end of game event, comes from the xlogfile 21:55 !lastgame 21:55 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/terrapin/evilhack/dumplog/1619916933.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/z/zor/evilhack/dumplog/1619913422.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1619850545.evil.html 21:55 there are also other events that are livelogged. not every variant has support for that 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) was shat on again by her so-called "god" Mars, on T:28132 21:55 You can also !lastgame to return for a specific nick 21:56 things like, killing a unique monster, or getting an artifact, etc 21:56 !commands 21:56 K2: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 21:56 !help 21:56 cccrow: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 21:58 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 243 points, T:1068, killed by a giant rat 21:58 i think !booze is the most popular command. 21:58 !beer 21:58 cccrow: It's your shout! 21:58 !booze 21:58 * EvilBot pours nabru a shot of liquid courage, acquired by NotTheOracle\dnt at -3 degrees Celsius. 21:58 !source 21:58 cccrow: https://github.com/k21971/EvilBot 21:59 !variant 21:59 nabru: evilhack 22:03 bah. what's truely evil is playing this on an ipad, and realising that when you *almost* touch a key, sometimes it registers it as a keystroke! 22:04 I really can't imagine playing on an iPad 22:05 i frequently do. 22:05 using the blink terminal. 22:06 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:106406 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] cccrow (Val Hum Fem Law), 815 points, T:1216, killed by a dagger 22:12 oh, so it was on by default (livelogging). 22:12 nice, nice 22:12 woah. a barrow write, jaguar, *and* an energy vortex, at dlvl 10 and i am still xp 8. 22:13 cccrow: rip 22:13 it so tempting to go deeper in the gnome mines 22:14 normally this isn't quite that bad, but this is looking like a bones level. 22:15 !whereis Arahael 22:15 nabru: [hdf-au] Arahael [evil]: (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) T:4841 The Gnomish Mines level: 10 22:15 i might have to leave it. i can't cope with an energy vortex yet. 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:106605 22:16 yep, briefly watched your game and it looked nasty 22:16 nabru: yep, and that barrow wright was just around the corner. 22:16 the samurai does not have ration at the start 22:16 unfair 22:18 a minor detail. 22:20 He was late, so he forgot to pack lunch 22:21 the pet is a portable lunch anyway. (do not do that!) 22:24 hmm, still not strong enough to kill unicorns yet. 22:25 hmm. cursed magical copper winged helmet. 22:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:106866 22:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:106867 22:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 22:39 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:106917 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:106924 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the saddled White Horse, on T:106925 22:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:106939 22:44 ...so why's Yeenoghu and the others there again 22:45 oh, VaderFLAG is on the endgame 22:45 cool 22:48 Significant in-game events, yeah. 22:49 Doesn't explain how the & Crew got in 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:107002 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:107010 22:51 I assume they got gated in somehow. 22:52 [hdf-us] [evil] cccrow (Sam Hum Fem Law), 494 points, T:1310, zombified by a dwarf zombie 22:52 But... Wouldn't he have killed them already!? Curious. 22:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 4610800 points, T:107024, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/VaderFLAG/evilhack/dumplog/1612856875.evil.html 22:52 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52 \o/ 22:52 Congrats, VaderFLAG! 22:52 congrats VaderFLAG 22:53 naisu 22:53 Whenever I play chaotic characters I same-race sac to get Jubilex and Yee, stash them away somewhere, then bring them along to the planes 22:53 Woah - and an unused magic marker! 22:53 Ah right, I forgot you do that 22:53 They ALMOST made it 22:53 VaderFLAG: Why!? 22:53 Use them to fight A or 22:53 All 3 altars was too much for them 22:53 Seems something a chaotic character would do 22:53 Just for funsies 22:53 Legit why not honestly 22:53 They don't do much 22:54 Mostly they add extra terror for Stormbringer users 22:54 NOW I can read the .7 notes 22:55 lol 22:55 Oh heck yeah new demons 22:56 I dunno if I'm getting better at evil, or if I'm finding 0.7 easier somehow. 22:58 Ok what's definitely going to kill me in .7 22:59 Gotta be some new instakill thing 22:59 Like can't dig out of suffocating engulfers or something 23:00 Arahael you're prob getting better 23:00 Woohoo. 23:00 0.7 overall should be a bit more challenging 23:01 shit it's late, .7 shall have to wait 23:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 7138 points, T:5711, killed by an owlbear 23:06 good call VaderFLAG 23:07 read up and take a break 23:07 you've earned it 23:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:5857 23:10 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) stole 167 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:314 23:12 cccrow: Found your bones. 23:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed cccrow's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1180 23:15 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1259 points, T:1134, killed by a rothe 23:18 [hdf-au] [evil] cccrow (Sam Hum Fem Law), 436 points, T:1186, killed by a werejackal 23:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6162 23:27 haha 23:29 -!- cccrow has left #evilhack 23:33 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7125 23:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 4481 points, T:4747, killed by a fire ant 23:45 -!- cccrow has joined #evilhack 23:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 36064 points, T:8977, killed by a sea dragon