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01:28 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) had a small shield entrusted to her by Odin, on T:12831
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03:20 <bhaak> aoei: Medusa was not stoned in mythology. she was beheaded.
03:20 <aoei> bhaak: oh yeeea
03:21 <aoei> he used a mirror to look at her without turning to stone
03:21 <aoei> or osmething
03:21 <bhaak> a polished shield that would reflect her image. imperfectly I suppose
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06:23 <aosdict> presumably in mythology she didn't fixate on the mirror, but nethack medusa is evidently just that exceedingly vain
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06:29 <amateurhour> I think there's been a few films where she was petrified by her own reflection
06:29 <amateurhour> trying to remember one
06:32 <amateurhour> google is finding nothing, but I remember seeing an animated film as a kid where that happened
06:38 <bhaak> at least this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_the_Titans_(1981_film)
06:38 <bhaak> or do I remember incorrectly?
06:38 <amateurhour> the wikipedia page mentions perseus cutting her head off in that so it can't be that
06:39 <bhaak> no, wikipedia says she's ...
06:39 <bhaak> tvtropes to the rescue
06:41 <bhaak> In Land of the Lost (1974) episode "Medusa" [...] Jack defeats her by finding the mirror and showing it to her in her true form. Right before she turned to stone [...]
06:42 <amateurhour> that does look familiar
06:45 <amateurhour> it's gonna bug me all day, maybe I just ate too much sugar and hallucinated a film
06:45 <amateurhour> it was like prince of egypt style animated film
06:50 <bhaak> King's Quest III has a Medusa which you have to defeat with a mirror
06:51 <bhaak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPE1Tej1sc
06:52 <bhaak> "Super Friends: In "Battle of the Gods", Wonder Woman is challenged by Zeus to steal Medusa's necklace. She eventually defeats her by showing Medusa her reflection with her bracelets, which turns her to stone [...]"
06:54 <aosdict> food for thought: she's supposed to turn people to stone because she's just that ugly. she should remain that ugly after turning to stone herself, yet no one ever mentions the medusa statue still being effective.
06:56 <amateurhour> is it because she's ugly? I didn't think that
06:57 <bhaak> the code implementation looks rather like a magic attack
06:57 <amateurhour> I thought it was just men she could turn to stone so always assumed she was a babe with snake hair lol
06:58 <bhaak> in mythology, it's not so clear. besides just being so ugly to cause stoning, there's also a variant where she's beautiful to start with but then got cursed to turn people to stone who look at her, so nobody could ever again appreciate her beauty
06:58 <amateurhour> well all these people throughout history need to get their shit together and decide what's canon and what's not
06:58 <amateurhour> smh my head
06:59 <bhaak> you need to be strong now. people wrote fan fiction already in antiquity and some of that is now considered canon
07:00 <amateurhour> I wonder what early d&d versions said
07:03 <bhaak> it's complicated: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Medusa
07:03 <bhaak> the dungeons & dragons says they were always a species but with varying features. nothing about being affected by their own image though
07:08 <amateurhour> seems to mention it in 5e at least
07:14 <bhaak> hmm, they say there that her gaze has a range of 30 ft.
07:14 <bhaak> but also if you use a mirror within 30 ft, it will turn herself to stone. shouldn't that be within 15 ft.?
07:15 <bhaak> either because it's a ray or her image in the mirror looking like being 60 ft. away if the mirror is 30 ft from her?
07:17 <amateurhour> that's a good point
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09:31 <Not-818c> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±14] https://git.io/JOPEg
09:31 <Not-818c> [EvilHack] k21971 8997c26 - Overhaul damage type 'withering'.
09:33 <mobileuser> "applying a unicorn horn will no longer cure it"
09:33 <mobileuser> URGH
09:34 <hothraxxa> 47k+ turns in grunt and things the rng has not seen fit to generate: blindfold, towel, scroll of magic mapping
09:34 <hothraxxa> i never cure withering, it just goes away
09:34 <hothraxxa> well it used to
09:35 <mobileuser> starting characters better cure it quickly
09:35 <aosdict> K2: I notice you didn't update the "free bits" comment
09:35 <K2> i didnt, there was nothing to change
09:35 <aosdict> oh right you turned mwither into mwither_from_u
09:35 <aosdict> nvm
09:35 <K2> si
09:36 <K2> withering is still minor in the grand scheme of things, but it did get a boost of sorts
09:37 <K2> a kobold mummy hitting you and causing the withering effect will go away fairly quickly
09:37 <K2> a giant mummy, its gonna potentially last for a bit
09:38 <hothraxxa> giant mummies drop giant-sized mummy wrappings when
09:38 <K2> in 0.7 orcus has a withering attack, that should be fun
09:38 <hothraxxa> boulder fort nerf when
09:39 <K2> why would i nerf boulder forts
09:39 <hothraxxa> because evil?
09:39 <K2> hothraxxa its like you're daring me to swing the nerf bat
09:39 <K2> passive/aggressive trolling
09:39 <hothraxxa> not me no sir
09:39 <mobileuser> "all boss types generate with a wand of striking"
09:40 <K2> hahah
09:40 <K2> mobileuser even more fun would be adding force bolt as a monster spell
09:40 <mobileuser> :b 
09:41 <amateurhour> what do you actually think wants nerfing K2?
09:44 <K2> hothraxxa
09:44 <K2> oh what not who :P
09:44 <K2> hothraxxa your z-score ranking is too high. nerf
09:45 <K2> honestly, dragonbane prob needs a nerf tweak. but that djinni is already out of the bottle. prob wont change anything in regards to it
09:46 <K2> i would cause a riot if i did
09:47 <hothraxxa> hrm
09:48 <K2> omg lol
09:48 <K2> new artifact weapon - Nerf Bat
09:48 <K2> uses club skill
09:48 <K2> cancels everything it hits
09:49 <K2> putting it into a BoH cuases the universe to implode on itself, ending the game
09:49 <K2> *causes
09:49 <hothraxxa> like grey dragons
09:49 <K2> yeah but not passive
09:49 <K2> active cancellation attack
09:51 <hothraxxa> meh, i run into those all the time
09:52 <hothraxxa> i got cancelled 5-6 times in my last evilhack game
09:52 <K2> the Nerf Bat would actually be pretty useful early game. cancelled zombies drain/sickness attack doesnt work if they are cancelled
09:52 <hothraxxa> wut?
09:52 <K2> hah drop one 'cancelled'
09:52 <K2> hothraxxa you didnt know?
09:53 <hothraxxa> i did not know
09:53 <K2> even in vanilla, wand of cancellation is under-utilized. a ton of special attacks dont work if the monster that employs them is cancelled
09:53 <hothraxxa> yeah i use that but it's a late game thing and zombies are just an annoyance by then
09:54 <K2> well if you ever come across an early WoC
09:54 <K2> i love having one for nymphs
09:54 <K2> they cant steal your stuff if cancelled
09:54 <hothraxxa> the last nymph i ran into stole my wand of cancellation
09:54 <K2> hahahah
09:54 <hothraxxa> that's a bit scary
10:15 <aosdict> uno reverse card
10:16 <aosdict> YASI: nerf bat, club that cancels everything it hits ^ (for posterity)
10:16 <aosdict> (by: sir lord K2)
10:17 <mobileuser> correct qualification :-)
10:22 <K2> rofl
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10:47 <mobileuser> how do you cure withering in 0.7? potion of healing?
10:54 <mobileuser> "some tweaks were made to how potions of healing handle it" what does this mean?
10:57 <K2> non cursed full healing will cure it
10:57 <K2> blessed extra healing will cure it
10:58 <K2> regular potion of healing wont
10:58 <amateurhour> does unholy water as chaotic heal it?
10:59 <K2> no
11:00 <K2> holy/unholy never handled withering
11:01 <mobileuser> catacombs are going to be annoying for a low level character
11:02 <K2> you mean that one mines end level?
11:02 <mobileuser> yes
11:02 <K2> no one should even be trying to attempt that mines end (or any really) at low level
11:03 <mobileuser> well I do :b 
11:03 <K2> this is the way
11:04 <mobileuser> also, a giant or ettin mummy at the oracle level is not unusual
11:04 <K2> ok
11:05 <K2> i'm ok with that
11:06 <K2> did you know that monsters can sometimes spawn on dlvl 1? :)
11:06 <K2> amateurhour sent up a PR once, it removed all monsters from evilhack. said they were too hard
11:07 <K2> i almost merged it
11:07 <mobileuser> yeah mock me :-)
11:07 <K2> :P
11:08 <mobileuser> but the unicorn nerf will make prep against early mummies a thing for me
11:08 <amateurhour> I woulda gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids
11:08 <K2> lol amateurhour
11:08 <K2> ruh-ro!
11:08 <K2> mobileuser yes this makes mummies a bit more difficult
11:08 <amateurhour> how long does wither last from an ettin mummy?
11:08 <K2> its variable
11:08 <amateurhour> @e?ettin mummy
11:08 <EvilBot> ettin mummy (M) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d6 claw wither, 2d6 claw physical | Alignment: -6 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, undead
11:09 <amateurhour> does it stack? so two hits could be up to 24 turns?
11:09 <K2> 2d6 claw wither <--- means the duration can last 2d6
11:10 <K2> stack? good question
11:10 <K2> i dont think so
11:10 <amateurhour> what does withering specifically do again? lower max hp and drain health over time?
11:10 <K2> d2 hp loss per tick, cant regen whilst its in effect
11:11 <K2> or d1 if you regen already
11:12 <K2> if i am reading the code correctly, max hp isnt affected unless the effect lasts for more than 8 turns
11:13 <K2> its like that bleed attack from <insert d&d computer game here>
11:13 <amateurhour> its like that bleed attack from Evilhack
11:13 <K2> :P
11:13 <K2> what would be cool is if you left a trail of blood
11:14 <K2> but a red dot for a tile isnt very 'oooh wow look at that'
11:15 <K2> but you know what i am talking about? rogues could get this critical hit with a dagger that would cause the target to bleed out and lose hp over time until the effect stopped
11:15 <K2> dark age of camelot had that for assassins
11:16 <K2> you get gank a enemy player once, run and hide and wait for them to bleed out if their hp were low enough
11:16 <K2> s/get/ 
11:16 <K2> hah it wouldnt be hard to take the withering effect and make a bleed out effect
11:17 <K2> if role_if(rogue) && <you get a critical hit> make monster bleed out, fun for the whole family
11:18 <mobileuser> isn't there already a variant that has that?
11:18 <K2> i dont know
11:18 <mobileuser> maybe slex or dnh
11:18 <mobileuser> slex I think
11:18 <K2> slex would have gotten it from slash'em prob
11:19 <mobileuser> lol slex even has a Bleeder role
11:19 <K2> hah
11:20 <K2> we could recreate the 'five point palm exploding heart technique' from the movie 'Kill Bill'
11:22 <K2> anyways, there's some cool stuff that can happen here
11:30 <aosdict> not the same thing but that made me think of https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/king-of-swords-10-133/
11:33 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:16525
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11:58 <K2> hah daaaamn
11:59 <K2> 'total life obliteration'
11:59 <K2> and not a drop on him
12:01 <aosdict> it goes even more bonkers in the next chapter
12:01 <K2> i've been reading the 'old man logan' series of comics when i have time
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13:06 <K2> well that help desk interview didnt suck
13:06 <K2> yay
13:06 <aoei> woot
13:08 <K2> i may have scared them off a bit
13:08 <K2> guy was talking about how he wanted to start doing sysadmin stuff
13:08 <K2> i'm like 'that's great but the job is help desk'
14:30 <K2> qt lol https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3441
14:44 <K2> qt when you're around I have a question. i asked it yesterday and then realized you werent in the channel heh
14:46 <qt> hey k2 I'm here
14:46 <K2> heya
14:47 <K2> lemme dig up what I asked
14:47 <K2> [18:03] <@K2> qt were you going to take a stab at converting racial priests/shopkeepers over to the system you made for player monsters? or is that going to be for another day?
14:47 <K2> [18:03] <@K2> or is it more of 'K2 you do it'
14:48 <qt> oh I didn't do it because I wasn't sure how exactly you implemented the current system, so I thought it might be easier for you to reverse it
14:49 <K2> ah
14:49 <qt> but if you want I can give it a shot when I have some time
14:49 <K2> that may be for the best. i'll admit i dont fully grok the system you made for player monsters and soldiers
14:50 <K2> luckily what i set up for priests and shopkeeps isnt that complicated
14:50 <qt> yeah I can definitely try it. can you point me to the main commits where you added the current system?
14:50 <K2> its not critical, as things work fine as they are now, just want to get in any save-breaking stuff that we wanna add before 0.7 release
14:50 <K2> yeah one sec
14:52 <K2> initial commit for priests - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/60381df24e911906c323d147540c406a9d7762ce
14:52 <K2> and if you search 'racial priests' on the repo you'll see a small number of tweaks to the same
14:53 <K2> i used how racial shopkeepers are made to do racial priests, the way its done is almost the same (shk.c and shknam.c)
14:53 <qt> ok cool, thanks, I will take a look at it when I am free
14:53 <K2> thanks
14:53 <K2> this may be the last bit to do before release
14:54 <qt> oh really? awesome
14:54 <K2> we are close
14:54 <K2> clooooose
14:54 <amateurhour> qt all the power is in your hands now
14:54 <amateurhour> ima need you to keep delaying and finding bugs till at least part way into june
14:54 <amateurhour> I'll supply you with encouragement and praise
14:55 <amateurhour> just kidding, 0.7 WHEN \o/
14:55 * K2 slides 10 zorkmids to amateurhour and waves his hand saying 'qt isn't the programmer you are looking for'
14:55 <amateurhour> ha i get that stargate reference
14:55 <K2> stargate?
14:55 <K2> lol
14:56 <amateurhour> sorry sorry
14:56 <amateurhour> I meant star trek
14:56 <K2> O M G
14:56 <qt> I'll do my best amateurhour but sometimes I can't help but submit fixes, it's like my hands move on their own and type git diff | tb
14:56 * K2 loves tb
14:56 <K2> i have the same setup
14:56 <K2> git bobble_hats | tb
14:57 <amateurhour> have never heard of tb
14:57 <K2> termbin
14:57 <amateurhour> oh
14:57 <qt> yeah it's just an alias to send it to termbin
14:57 <K2> https://termbin.com/
14:58 <amateurhour> I like 0x0.st for stuff, just curling is neato
15:00 <qt> I use that for uploading files, I didn't know you could pipe it directly there without saving it locally first
15:03 <amateurhour> yep
15:03 <amateurhour> something like
15:03 <amateurhour> curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
15:04 <qt> oh yeah, that makes sense that basically curl can handle it
15:05 <amateurhour> tb probs does something similar to be fair
15:09 <qt> tb is just an alias for 'nc termbin.com 9999'
15:10 <qt> so it's really simple. the input has to come from stdin though, you can't upload a file directly
15:10 <qt> at least I don't think you can
15:11 <amateurhour> probs tb < filename
15:11 <amateurhour> rather than using cat or whatever
15:11 <amateurhour> not that it matters
15:12 <amateurhour> idk if you've ever seen the page about the useless use of cat or whatever
15:12 <qt> yeah I think I have seen it before
15:15 <K2> cool i've never used 0x0.st before
15:15 <K2> https://0x0.st/-mXM.gif
15:15 <K2> just uploaded that
15:15 <Umbire> I haven't either
15:15 <Umbire> Been meaning to learn how
15:16 <K2> found this - https://github.com/Calinou/0x0
15:17 <qt> amateurhour: the main way I do it is cat <<<$(echo "$(cat doc/Guidebook.txt)" | tr '[a-z]' '[a-z]' | sed 's/.*/&/g')
15:18 <amateurhour> seems legit, though it might be more efficient if you include python and/or perl in there something
15:18 <amateurhour> somewhere*
15:18 <amateurhour> those languages can do loads of stuff so it would improve it slightly
15:18 <qt> good point
15:21 <Umbire> this works for like, linux setups right?
15:22 <amateurhour> I mean it should work for anything that can make post requests
15:22 <amateurhour> there's probs some powershell builtin that can do it
15:22 <Umbire> Hm
15:22 <amateurhour> does windows come with curl yet?
15:22 <Umbire> I wouldn't know, 's why I'm asking
15:23 <Umbire> https://curl.se/windows/ oh neat
15:23 <aosdict> none of us use windows for main development
15:23 <amateurhour> deprecate windows support for nethack!
15:23 <Umbire> "Starting with Windows 10 v 1803, the OS now ships with a copy of CURL. It is already set up, and you can start using it right away. Open the command prompt, and type “curl -help“. If there are no errors, and displays all the options of curl, it’s installed on your Windows 10."
15:23 <Umbire> Yay.
15:23 <Umbire> Yeah I got it
15:29 <rebatela> curl -help
15:35 <Umbire> https://0x0.st/-mXf.png Got it!
15:36 <amateurhour> e z p z
15:38 <K2> hahah
15:40 <K2> just did this from win10 command line on my work machine - https://0x0.st/-mXO.jpg
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18:05 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 3723 points, T:4541, killed by a gnome queen
18:53 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3993 points, T:4581, quit
19:09 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Odin, on T:21153
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19:58 <qt> K2: https://0x0.st/-mPr.png going well so far
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20:24 <qt> https://0x0.st/-mPX.png
20:26 <qt> https://0x0.st/-mP8.png
20:29 <qt> https://0x0.st/-mPK.png
20:30 <qt> looking pretty good, I'm trying to make sure I didn't miss anything
20:34 <bouquet> what's that for? Looks like the most micro resolution possible. Evilhack on a smart watch?
20:35 <qt> that's just the terminal font I use
20:35 <qt> no smartwatches unfortunately
20:48 <qt> K2 I also made it so the little secondary priests can have a race as well: https://0x0.st/-mPA.png
20:49 <aosdict> the adorable little priests
21:02 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 416 points, T:938, killed by Mr. Ossipewsk; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
21:21 <qt> K2: what do you think about the high priests on astral having races but no racial glyphs? if the only reason to disable races for them is to ensure they can't be told apart at a distance... like this https://0x0.st/-mPe.png
21:21 * Umbire begins banging on table
21:21 <Umbire> racial quest guardians
21:21 <Umbire> racial quest guardians
21:21 <Umbire> racial quest guardians
21:22 <qt> the "giant" part doesn't show up until you get close enough to recognize them anyway
21:22 <qt> I was thinking about that too Umbire, it should definitely be possible...
21:22 <Umbire> Just make sure they don't grudge each other 4Head
21:23 <qt> good point actually. I wonder if giving random priests races on astral makes that happen...
21:24 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Mal Cha), 45 points, T:934, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food
21:41 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 501 points, T:1246, killed by a steel arrow
21:45 <qt> mplayers with racial enmities seem to bop each other every once in a while on astral, I'm guessing priests would too lol
21:48 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 182 points, T:919, killed by a small mimic
21:52 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 99 points, T:399, killed by a jackal
21:54 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 13 points, T:184, killed by a sewer rat
22:09 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 415 points, T:917, killed by a kitten
22:25 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 1556 points, T:1321, quit
22:39 <EvilBot> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Orc Fem Una), 824 points, T:1184, killed by a dwarf
22:41 <K2> nice
22:42 <K2> there's a bit in mon.c that handles grudges, makes sure racial soldiers dont grudge one another due to differing races
22:43 <K2> <qt> K2: what do you think about the high priests on astral having races but no racial glyphs? <--- love it
22:46 <qt> should I add something to make priests that follow the same god set aside their racial differences?
22:46 <Umbire> equal opportunity evil
22:46 <Umbire> there shall be no discrimination under the rule of rodney
22:46 <K2> yeah that sounds good
22:47 <K2> none of the priests on astral ever fight each other right? i dont think i've ever seen that
22:47 <K2> except under conflict
22:48 <qt> I think right now none of them have a race
22:49 <qt> only priests that are actually in a temple have it currently. not "renegade" or wandering priests. and high priests don't have a race right now either
22:49 <K2> yeah the only racial priests I had made were those tending to a temple/altar
22:49 <qt> yeah
22:51 <qt> it would be funny if priests of different gods fought each other but would probably make astral too chaotic
22:51 <qt> and/or easier because they would wear each other down
22:51 <aosdict> \\
22:51 <aosdict> sorry
22:52 <qt> \o\ /o/ \o/
22:52 <K2> true
22:52 <K2> cant have that :P
23:02 <K2> i gotta crash
23:03 <K2> fell alseep once already on the couch :)
23:03 <K2> asleep even
23:03 <K2> qt it looks awesome so far, cant wait to see the PR/diff
23:03 <K2> gnite all
23:04 <qt> good night
23:04 <qt> https://0x0.st/-mPD.png nice
23:04 <K2> ^ hah
23:04 <K2> dogs and cats living together... complete madness!
23:04 <K2> ok gnte for real lol
23:05 <qt> good night, I will submit a PR soon
23:27 <Not-818c> [EvilHack] entrez opened pull request #59: Use erac for racial priests and shopkeepers - https://git.io/JO1q4
23:28 <qt> !tell k2 I left it as a draft PR for now so I can look at it again with fresh eyes tomorrow
23:28 <EvilBot> Will do, qt!
23:28 <qt> goodnight
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