00:00 Amy once posted a link to some giant 120x80 sokoban puzzles with, like, 100 boulders. I can't find it any more. 00:01 thats nuts heh 00:01 * bouquet casts summon amybsod 00:23 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crystal long sword named Sunsword on an altar, on T:3533 00:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:4451 00:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 7945 points, T:4567, killed by a carnivorous bag 01:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1071 points, T:2561, killed by a thrown potion 02:16 Finally had a look at the hints file - macos one is a bit out of date. :D The build I have at the moment is for curses, anyway, which works quite nicely. 02:16 (There's no curses support in that hints file) 02:59 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:06 . 03:06 mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2021-04-15 20:51 EDT: I think I may have already fixed the 'Except you are already flying' bug with a recent commit to 0.7 03:06 \o/ 03:25 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:35 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 03:39 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:54 K2 I don't know if this is a bug or not, but when reading blessed magic detection the rings in my oilskin sack (carried) were not identified :-(. I've never had that problem with BoH. problem 04:56 the word problem seems to have multiplied itself in my last sentence 05:00 "You can't handle your ring of free action!" nooooooooo....... 05:01 what is the emoji if your ring of free action is silver 05:01 OMG... 05:07 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 05:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:45 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:05 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:29 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 06:35 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 06:37 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:43 K2: why does adding soko levels mean you need to edit a Files file? that file doesn't even exist in 3.7 06:56 aosdict, is the RNG decision to make free action iron (elf) or silver (demon) comparable to colour alchemy? 07:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 07:02 K2: why does adding soko levels mean you need to edit a Files file? that file doesn't even exist in 3.7 <--- well, evilhack isnt based off of 3.7 sooooo... 07:03 -!- stenno2 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 07:04 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 07:04 K2: isn't it just a list of the files like the top-level Files? 07:05 and aren't you just adding stuff to sokoban.des anyway, not creating new files? 07:07 adding the maps to the .des file will create new .lev files on compile 07:07 you've been in 3.7 land for too long 07:08 mobileuser: yes, it is comparable but there's an acceptable threshold which it's under. (other things under this threshold are e.g. the dungeon deciding to be 50 or 53 levels long.) but that does in part drive decisions like "penalties for wearing iron rings can't be that harsh" 07:09 K2: now I'm looking at that file and ewww 07:09 yup 07:09 that is the correct response 07:09 just declare mac port unsupported until you merge 3.7 07:09 heh 07:09 thx for a considerate answer aosdict. my infidel is hangry.... 07:09 'lack of macOS support isnt a bug, its a feature' 07:10 'go buy a windows PC' 07:11 mobileuser: and for a closer vanilla example, a valuable ring like free action deciding to be silver also counts, because then in that game it deals a blow to your vampire polyself ambitions 07:12 yeah that's a much lesser problem than an elf hating iron 07:12 so it's not a principle that can be taken to the logical extreme or you'd have to derandomize a lot of things in the game 07:12 but it's useful for saying "we don't LIKE this, so we won't add color alchemy" 07:12 yes, there are shades 07:13 [not the monster, the expression] 07:16 K2 did you see my message about the weird blessed magic detection / oilskin sack behaviour? 07:16 yeah 07:45 K2 my pet gray dragon just got cancelled by attacking another gray dragon... feels a bit counterintuitive 07:48 no reason a gray dragon can't get cancelled of course 07:48 try having your gray dragon register as independent 07:50 uh as in american elections? 07:50 oh cancel culture :-) 07:51 MUH PET WAS CANSHULLED 07:52 OK Shades have a paralysis attack 07:53 Am I a more-dead-than-usual demon walking 07:53 or does MR help 07:53 lots to learn 07:55 "The paralyze monster spell can be limited to one turn by having magic resistance" OK that helps 07:55 that's a spell though 07:56 don't think it affects paralysis touch 07:56 good point 07:56 I should walk back 20 levels and get my old cloak of protection 07:57 MC3 helps somewhat 08:00 "The gray dragon's attempt to engulf the shade is futile." bleh why :-) 08:19 need free action for those shades 08:19 because its incorporeal 08:21 rebatela free action is silver in my game 08:21 SILVER 08:22 no free action for me 08:22 shiny/pretty 08:22 lol 08:22 :P 08:23 I reached the castle without finding rebatela bones :-( 08:30 is that rare? lol 08:30 i guess i leave a lot of bones? 08:31 no, I was hoping for your bones with Dragonbane ;-) 08:31 haha yeah i had found that in bones myself 08:31 you already found your bones?? 08:32 oh you meant you found Dragonbane in other bones that game 08:33 I will have to have a potentially very long altar session to get dragonbane now 08:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4201 points, T:4150, killed by a death ray 08:33 more bones 08:34 heh 08:34 i had cloak of mr i was switching back and forth 08:34 worried about poly traps not that so much 08:34 * K2 changes dragonbane into a mithril tin opener 08:35 finally the end of dragonbanehack 08:36 well if you put such an item in the game... 08:36 don't be surprised if everyone wants it 08:36 part of me feels like i made DB too powerful. i think making the banes always aggro the monster sthey bane against leveled it out some though 08:36 but gdamn its so much fun 08:37 wish acid resistance being much more important maybe it'd be a good idea to have other ways of getting it? idk 08:37 there should be an evilhack conduct 'never ascended with dragonbane' 08:37 well there are other ways for acid res already 08:37 ^ that 08:37 maybe dragonbane isn't overpowered, maybe acid resistance is just hard to get 08:37 YDSM, apron 08:37 yes 08:37 but none are so convenient as dragonbane 08:38 solves reflection + acid problem in one go 08:38 YANI: scroll or potion of acid resistance that gives you acid resistance temporarily 08:38 and it goes well with hand bags 08:38 YANI: spellbook of free action 08:38 a bit like the dnh scroll of resistance, but not lasting as long 08:38 for those poor demons with silver free action 08:39 YASI: potion of ascension 08:39 lol 08:39 lol 08:39 :P 08:39 we already have that, cursed levitation whilst on stairs, or cursed gain level :P 08:42 heh 08:43 what does cursed levitation do ? 08:44 its increases local gravity 10x 08:44 omg YANI 08:44 if you're on the upstairs it makes you go up a floor like you'd walked up the stairs 08:44 I have ascensions w/out dragonbane 08:44 i like the dragonhide gauntlets of protection 08:45 those are the best if you can get reflection/acid some other way 08:45 new soko maps went in last night fyi 08:45 so even if you don't have dragonbane, you like knockoff dragonbane? 08:45 * amateurhour goes to look which soko floors went in 08:45 last night i was wearing mithril gauntlets of power as monk (obviously) 08:45 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/f1179c64c5be22a562e636a520682659bbbc11a9 08:45 16 new maps total 08:45 errmahgerd 08:46 sweeet 08:46 unnethack still has more, i didnt pull all of them over, just the ones i liked the most 08:46 thank you for not flipping etc. 08:46 omg never 08:46 NEVAR 08:46 people can do the puzzle if they want 08:46 it hurts my brain 08:46 yeah me too 08:47 Files.r hell 08:47 and other build systems 08:47 soko3-6 is annoying 08:47 not particularly hard though 08:47 just feels really long 08:47 spoilers - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_(UnNetHack) 08:47 see during most of xnh's history I didn't support any of those builds so I didn't need to care about it 08:48 soko2-4 is a tricky one for me, but that soko2-6 is probs my least favourite 08:48 this is 3-6 in evilhack i think - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_1n 08:48 its actually fun 08:49 yeah that one, feels like it takes agers n agers 08:49 it goes quicker than you think, you dont really need the spoiler 08:49 yeah I've done them all in slex a few times 08:49 this is the one that I mess up most often: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_3i 08:50 this one for me - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_4e 08:50 esp if it were rotated/flipped 08:50 oh yeah, I had to just memorise the start of that from a spoiler 08:51 so four new maps to choose from per level, should add a nice bit of variety to soko 08:52 \o/ 08:52 and you didn't add the evil XII puzzle 08:52 \o/ 09:01 amateurhour that means you are now obliged to play 0.7 evilhack :-) 09:01 it is the way 09:05 noooooooooooooooooooooooo 09:05 /o\ 09:06 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:07 DO EET 09:07 amateurhour you know you wanna play 0.7. barding 09:07 BARDING 09:07 ^ closest thing to doggo bobble hats 09:07 * amateurhour doesn't use pets 09:07 :D 09:07 omg 09:07 WAT 09:08 all this time 09:08 and you dont use pets 09:08 I was just looking out for the doggos and kittehs 09:08 i hate you 09:08 I compassionately abandon them on dlvl 1 so they don't have a sad and short life in the dungeons of doom 09:08 lol 09:08 hahah 09:09 ... they still have a sad and short life in the dungeon, unless you untame them and scare them and make them flee up the stairs 09:10 the only moral thing to do is to take them with you to the Planes on the ascension run 09:10 they can frolic and scavenge in the less dangerous dlvl 1 09:15 there are zombies on level 1 too ;-) 09:15 :( 09:15 evilhack zombies are by rights too dangerous to be around on level 1 09:15 but they were that way in grunthack, so will L3 adjust their difficulty? nooooo 09:16 the campaign for bobble hats for doggos was ultimately a success 09:16 you can't bard a dogg 09:16 small creatures like little goodboyes have a chance of evading the deadly bite 09:16 o 09:17 but it does make cats strictly superior to dogs 09:17 because large cats still count as small whereas large dogs don't 09:17 or whatever 09:26 at least nice K2 made zombies show up on warning 09:29 have you played grunthack and sporkhack mobileuser? 09:33 no, evilhack is superior :-) 09:52 but they were that way in grunthack, so will L3 adjust their difficulty? nooooo <--- actually i did just that long time ago 09:52 pwned 09:52 P W N T 09:53 :0 09:53 well then why are there still zombies on level 1 09:53 because you level up 09:54 and so what if zombies form on dlvl 1 09:54 its evilhack 09:54 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 10:05 i want to add a couple more new monsters before i release 0.7 10:05 i think i will hold off on adding drow monsters until i'm ready to add drow player race 10:05 gnolls would be nice though, could really flesh out yeenoghu's lair 10:11 as long as you don't add gnolls as a race 10:11 gnollhack will sue you 10:18 gnollhack can suck it 10:19 they dont own any rights to any of the monsters in gnollhack at all afaik 10:19 besides, its based off of nethack 10:21 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:21 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 10:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:22 lol 10:24 just checked on gnollhack 10:25 commit from 5 hours ago - 'Changed succubus to be female incubus.' 10:25 gary gygax is rolling in his grave 10:26 so all of the advice given to the gnollhack devs about how to do proper commits - not followed 10:26 heh 10:27 lol half of the commits i've looked at so far are titles 'small fix(es)' 10:27 no commit notes 10:27 *titled 10:28 oooh my 10:34 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:36 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41 with all of the changes and stuff added to gnollhack, there's bound to be some neat things. but good luck finding it 10:44 have you played it? 10:48 briefly last year 10:48 it was on hardfought for about 2 days 10:48 or was that 2019 10:48 regardless 10:48 2 days 10:50 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:55 what would bring it back? 10:58 not sure 11:08 backscroll: yeah when evilhack first came out, the zombies were WAY out of control 11:09 more of them. and i think they were faster? 11:09 bah giant spiders on DL3 11:10 that can really suck 11:10 no chance to find armor yet 11:10 we've got a small handful of buggy 'play at your own risk' variants already, i'm not keen on adding another 11:26 slashem and slex? :P 11:27 kek gnollhack doesn't even compile atm 11:28 slex, slashem, dynahack 11:28 dnh used to be on that list but as of 3.20.0 i think its no longer play at own risk 11:29 sporkhack/grunthack kind of 11:29 \o/ dnh success story 11:30 yeah wooot 11:30 ndnh2 should be about that stable too whenever that's done 11:30 does demo have plans for rollout before june? 11:31 their dev environment got trashed so probably not 11:53 having ascended gnollhack, i can tell you that it's fun and interesting and has a lot of new things 11:53 yeah, I think in the past year they've likely added even more cool things 11:53 they made a trailer a while back 11:55 from scrollback: i reported that blessed scroll of magic dtection did not id things in my boh quite some time ago 11:55 does it if your boh is outside of your inventory? 11:55 i did not experiment. i meant to wiztest but forgot 11:56 i think (but i'm not sure) it isn't consistent 11:56 you know, the kind of bug you love 11:57 it might be that it doesn't recurse into containers that are in your invent? 11:58 i don't think that's it. istr that it sometimes does work 11:58 K2: not really surprised at those gnollhack commits 11:58 my expectations have been lowered to such a point 12:06 :/ 12:06 the magic detection thing - that's basically straight over from grunthack. i'm sure it has issues, but overall its worked well 12:06 qt fixed a couple minor things with it/made it more betterly 12:07 i'm in the middle of configuring a new EPL connecting our VT and FL office, so i'm back n forth 12:08 yeah qt is hot on the evilhack bug fixes. not like in xnethack where he's like "here you go aosdict another shovelful of bug reports for you" :P 12:09 hey I gave you some termbin diffs 12:10 where does it even recurse into containers to begin with? 12:10 which is pretty much what I do for k2 as well 12:10 and its greatly appreciated 12:11 seriously if there's ever something I mention where you would like me to tackle it as a PR because you're swamped, just say so 12:11 that goes for anyone really 12:11 mostly kidding 12:12 oh in do_dknown_of 12:12 I mean, if you want to ronin it up in xnethack, the etherpad's got all the current bugs to fix there at the top (and also 7.0 features if that takes anyone's fancy) 12:15 tbh i need to remember to look at the various etherpads more often, I never check them unless someone explicitly mentions it 12:16 bookmarks? 12:17 I could bookmark them but I would still need to remember to click on the bookmarks 12:20 shock collar. every 24 hour period you go without visiting an etherpad, it delivers a shock 12:28 qt there's a few bug like things you put on the evilhack etherpad that are still there 12:28 we had knocked out a couple, but a few remain 12:28 and i'm *this close* to releasing 0.7 12:28 soko levels was the last big thing 12:29 i may add a couple new monsters, but otherwise its tweaking/bug fixing 12:37 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:16 will there be a parallel run, k2? 13:17 ? 13:17 i dont understand the question 13:18 oh. when i were a wee lad, when we released a new version we ran it alongside the old one for a while. we called that a parallel run 13:18 nah 13:19 you might not know i'm old 13:19 no you're not old. not even ancient. you're something beyond those 13:19 push to prod on friday evening and log out 13:19 i dont have the words 13:26 I mean, dgl has that, but only in the sense of letting you finish out an old game 13:26 but it's totally fine with having one person on 0.6 and one on 0.7 13:29 backscroll: I never had problems with "blessed magic detection" identification in my BoH, but noticed for the first time with a sack. Maybe it somehow doesn't work consistently and I've just been lucky so far. 13:30 in other news, my ring of free action is BLOODY SILVER 13:31 YASI: 'bloody silver' material that doesn't burn things 13:34 YASI: santo gold 13:34 YASI: chocolate gold 13:34 anyone remember those commercials from the 70's? 13:34 100% real SANTO GOLD 13:34 call now to reserve your order, only 47 payments of $19.95 13:35 there's a place here in the city you can buy a cheeseburger that's been dipped in real gold leaf to eat 13:35 costs about $70-80 13:35 oh that cant be healthy 13:35 gold is actually perfectly healthy to eat, it doesn't interact with the digestive system at all 13:35 I mean, it's a waste of gold, but 13:36 eeh 13:36 I think it has to be pretty pure gold though, not alloyed 13:41 I am somehow wondering if maybe stuff gets identified in magic containers. I always seem to know the WoW if it's been in a crystal chest (I read magic detection at the castle) 13:41 Are you sure it was a BoH hothraxxa? 13:42 i want a burger dipped in depleted uranium leaf 13:42 I want a burger period :b 13:42 HANGRY 13:42 rawr 13:42 nearly food time here... 13:43 almost 2pm here 13:49 it does mobileuser 13:49 I think it only recurses into magic containers 13:52 ah! thx for checking amateurhour 14:01 HANGRY 14:01 EPL works, but we're only getting 1/5th the bandwidth that we requested 14:07 this makes me sad 14:10 i'm assuming everyone here knows what an EPL is and what it does :P 14:11 epic patch lmao 14:11 hahahah 14:11 i wish it were 14:12 electro phaser lance 14:13 'ethernet private line' 14:13 I like mine better 14:13 its essentially one big giant network cable between two distant points 14:13 in this case, between VT and FL 14:14 that can't be cheao 14:14 cheap 14:14 its not 14:14 at 500mbps synchronous, not cheap at all 14:15 I assume if you're not getting the SLA you're paying for, you don't have to pay 14:15 but this is small potatoes compared to what the big banks have to wall street 14:15 aosdict yeah that's all covered in the contract 14:16 that's for my boss to worry about, my piece is to make sure to works and works well 14:16 works (check) works as advertised (in progress) 14:18 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 14:19 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 14:22 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) made her first wish - "cursed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:47412 15:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "cursed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of telepathy", on T:47423 15:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "blessed fixed ring of polymorph control", on T:47436 15:02 ^ polypiling rings didn't give me that 15:29 You feel like a new demon! \o/ 15:30 heh 15:30 angry demon or HANGRY 15:31 HANGRY NEW DEMON 15:32 aha! thanks amateurhour for resolving the magic detection thing. that explains why it only failed sometimes 15:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6160 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6195 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 4679 points, T:3047, killed by an owlbear 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:7210 16:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "blessed mithril amulet of magical breathing", on T:48096 16:13 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:14 you must really hate polypiling mobileuser 16:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "cursed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:48098 16:15 does the cursed do something for infidels? (obviously it does, but can you explain it plz!) 16:16 I think infidels have b/c flipped? 16:16 I should shut up about evilhack features I don't know about 16:17 yeah that must be it 16:17 they don't it's just special cased in a lot of places 16:17 it'd be cleaner to just flip buc, but it's not like that 16:17 -!- Umbire is now known as Impire 16:17 -!- Impire is now known as Impyre 16:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8421 16:26 rebatela I have no free action 16:27 I don't want to die to a gelcube now 16:27 poly wands empty and polypiling is a lottery anyway 16:27 and yes, cursed armor is better for infidels 16:28 blessed armor impedes spell casting 16:28 ahh neat 16:29 my thing with polypiling, is there are SO many rings and amulets. I don't think i've ever wished for either 16:29 yeah you are very good at it 16:29 hah 16:29 many rings yes, amulets are rarer 16:30 yeah that's true. but there's a lot of junk ones.. later in the game i polypile them for life saving(s) 16:31 you're not alone. lots of people dont like polypiling, think it's degenerate or whatever 16:31 oh I don't agree with "degenerate", I just don't like doing it 16:31 I did polypile rings earlier but didn't get what I wanted 16:32 yeah.. it's tedious 16:32 but scrolls I always polypile 16:32 i don't think i'm "good" at it. not sure if that was a jab lol. I find it fun sometimes though oddly that's true ! 16:32 no! no jab 16:32 it's fun when you can cast it at 0% fail. then you don't even have to make piles 16:33 it's a strat you are good at 16:33 fun to do to monsters/shopkeepers etc. too 16:33 heh 16:33 i did it to a leocrotta in soko just now and probably saved my life, BUT it turned the boulder i needed into a statue... 16:34 does it count as "cheating" if you turn a statue into a boulder... 16:35 probably not. i mean, you can teleport them? 16:35 but i had to read earth 16:35 well if creating boulders with polymorph doesn't count as cheating, could there be a strat... 16:36 wiki: Polymorphing a boulder. 16:36 lol 16:36 yeah it would probably take a while to make a boulder 16:37 I think that poly earned you a luck penalty ;-) 16:37 yeah it probably did 16:38 wiki says: Polymorphing a statue into a boulder does NOT incur a luck penalty 16:38 bit illogical 16:38 Well good luck getting a statue there first of all 16:38 Unless you bring a C corpse 16:39 c* 16:39 ah! strat? :b 16:39 not very likely 16:39 You're more likely to get one IN Soko itself 16:40 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 16:40 oooo i have free action myself according to enlightenment 16:40 ? 16:40 un id'd ring i've been wearing 16:41 ah ok 16:41 I am jealous :b 16:45 that's why I mentioned it :) 16:45 But this is what I don't get. If you were wishing for that other ring and breathing amulet, why not FA? 16:45 ooooooh because it's silver? 16:45 i'm so confused 16:46 BLOODY SILVER ;-) 16:46 demon can't use it 16:46