00:03 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) murdered his faithful gnomish soldier, on T:44732 00:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:08 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:44990 00:21 I think acid blast will be useful for finishing off npc's - gonna try to write it 00:39 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 00:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:46 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbir 00:46 -!- Umbir is now known as Umbire 01:27 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:45810 01:27 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:45827 01:32 [hdf-us] [evil] SurferOfButthole (Inf Ith Mal Una), 2504 points, T:1663, killed by a steel crossbow bolt 01:41 8^P cursed saddle 01:58 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:00 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 02:00 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #evilhack 02:13 YANI: Barbarians can ride without saddle (bareback). 02:36 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:56 eraserhead97 there are different possible maps for Ludios (the vanilla one and 2 new ones I think) 02:56 @mobileuser interesting - I got the one with two layered walls - v.nice map 03:00 lol - 2nd time a blessed saddle has turned cursed - I wonder if the RNG has been ramped up in evil 03:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:14 I never ride myself. How do they get cursed? Monsters that curse stuff? 03:23 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) murdered Kuro, his faithful black dragon, on T:48130 03:23 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) murdered his faithful ogre king, on T:48130 03:24 @mobileuser ya - I suspect higher Liches and other casters 03:28 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:30 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:48235 03:34 @mobileuser if u ever ride and get a cursed saddle, apparently spellbook of knocking or /oOpening are the best way to get out of it, fired '>' 03:47 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:56 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:02 K2: Btw, I got my evilhack compiled. You've made MANY changes in the develop code, that's awesome. :) The issue I had was that since I wasn't properly installing evilhack, the lockfile wasn't present, and it just... crashes... if that 'perm' file doesn't exist. 04:37 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:48604 04:38 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:48634 04:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3205 04:41 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3406 points, T:3398, killed by a barrow wight, while praying 04:43 For evilhack, what's the better weapon? Daggers, or the starting staff? (For the early game, anyway). 04:43 Dagger is good because it's light and common. 04:43 But the staff is good if you hope to get magicbane... 04:47 staff for melee, daggers for ranged I'd say 04:50 So train 'em both, I guess. 04:50 Why daggers for melee, and not darts? 04:56 darts for ranged are fine too and weigh less 04:57 it's just that if you happen to find some super dagger it's nice to have the skill to switch to it for melee 04:57 personal choices 04:57 I suppose it's easier to train, anyway. I currently have a cursed crude dagger so I might as well train up on it. 04:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 439 points, T:1490, killed by withering away, while praying 04:59 *sigh*. That would've been a successful prayer, too. 05:01 yeah - important thing for Wiz at the start is to avoid melee - try to not be adjacent to any mobs - so throw anything (daggers, darts) - just don't be next to anyone 05:02 at low lvls, the staff will hit better, should you have to melee - somewhere around lvl 3/4 it might change if you train in dagger 05:03 even cast force bolt - use melee as a last resort 05:05 I dunno if the Ith gets a pseudodragon - but that pet helps tremendously up to lvl 5-6 or so 05:07 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16 The pet is useful, I'm mainly an Illithid at the moment, which is hard, but it does have an *amazing* psionic attack. 05:16 That helps for ranged. 05:17 bleh, I desperately need reflection but my cunning plan to poly for genocide so I could rev geno silver dragon has failed 05:17 @Arahael you'd better ascend this run - 2 shops, 2 altars, and your old bonez ^^ 05:18 eraserhead97: I know. :( Trouble is I keep getting distracted. :( 05:18 @mobileuser no wands of rezzing? 05:18 rezzing? 05:18 oops - no corpses - misread 05:18 yeah - I usually farm D's with /oTurnUndead 05:19 not far enough in the game yet to encounter dragons and if I go deeper the lack of reflection is likely to kill me 05:19 but u have MR? 05:20 yes, that's sorted at least 05:20 my current run was like that - MR, but no reflection for a long time 05:21 soko done? if done, shoot for medusa 05:21 last game lack of reflection killed a promising game, so I'm disappointed my cunning plan failed :-) 05:21 hehe 05:21 medusa is very deep in the dungeon 05:21 which mob wiped u last game? 05:22 no mob, NPC with wand of sleep and endless amount of arrows 05:22 oh - that combo's evil 05:22 infidel doesn't get sleep res after crowning 05:23 looks like u got GoP tho 05:23 and decent armor 05:24 infidel's a caster? 05:24 ic Pw:101 05:24 yeah the game looks promising 05:24 not payed attention to casting yet as I need the ragtag armour for AC 05:25 that's the way I play wiz - combat wiz first, casting wiz later 05:25 gonna do some altar camping and then pluck up the courage to continue 05:25 who knows what RNG will drop... 05:26 sounds like a (cunning) plan - maybe the Gods will drop you something w/reflection as the extra attribute 05:26 thx ;-) 05:27 hehe - once in a LONG while, he drops something good - I got a +5 cornuthaum w/drain resistance this run 05:28 Arahael the size of that general store is making me salivate - right next to your altar, too! 05:32 eraserhead97: It's pretty good, yeah! 05:32 I just hope I don't get distracted. :( I always have a stupid YASD. 05:33 Low St doesn't help at all with melee. 05:34 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:49133 05:41 Is there any way to uncurse a scroll that's on the ground without picking it up? 05:42 And also without blanking it. 05:42 that ?oSM on the ground? 05:43 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 05:43 afaik, it's irretrievable if it's not already blessed 05:43 Darn. 05:43 it's ok - it's your safety spot in that room 05:44 Yeah, but it'd be nice to have it on a different level. :) 05:44 well, you can actually write one now (be careful if it's a guess-id - not an identify-id) 05:44 ...once you have a MM 05:45 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 05:45 @Arahael - I would look for a chest ASAP if I were u ^^ 05:46 carrying all that loot around's asking for it to be blown up/burnt and leaving it on the ground will have mobs picking it up 05:48 eraserhead97: You're assuming I can even carry a chest. ;) A chest is like, 450zm. 05:48 *aum 05:48 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:49 u can do it if you drop everything at the chest site, methinks 05:50 have u seen any chests yet? 05:51 I don't think so, no. 05:51 Sorry, my wife was talking. :) 05:51 no worries ^^ 05:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a magical leather ornamental cope entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:4174 05:53 Arahael nice! 05:53 It's awful! 05:53 ahh... cloak - ic 05:53 Yep, indeed. So it uses the same slot as my MR. 05:54 saw leather and was thinking chest 05:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:4213 05:55 you could temporary switch to that cloak for more AC - no MR stuff on Dlvl:4 (MR's useful around Oracle and lower) 05:55 Theres... A named wizard here? 05:55 are u sure? 05:55 > Kilmihil the elven wizard is burned by the iron crude dagger! 05:56 did u c a yellow @ sign? 05:56 I might've missed it. 05:56 wierd 05:56 Ok, there's definitely a wizard around. 05:56 oh - put all that cursed stuff in your bag - it's bad luck to have so many in open inventory 05:57 Really? 05:57 yes 05:57 there's a calculation of #ofblessed - #ofcursed 05:58 Ah, interesg. 05:58 if it's negative, it's not good for your luck 05:58 only stuff in open inventory 05:58 nice chest! 05:59 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 05:59 doh - you broke the lock 8^P oh, well - move very slowly - it's dangerous to be so encumbered 06:00 Yeah. Any stash at this point is temporary. 06:00 yuppers - any stash better than carrying around 06:01 Usually I carry everything with me, but I usually play a monk. 06:02 eraserhead97 I never heard of that luck rule? 06:02 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 06:03 cursed luckstone is bad, but I don't think other cursed stuff matters 06:03 @mobileuser I thought I read it somewhere in a wiki - lemme search 06:03 mobileuser: Yeah, I'm not sure about it myself. Certainly never affected my monk games - and luck is important if you're an armour-wearing, weapon-using monk. 06:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "asdfasdf", on T:4775 06:04 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Luck#Ways_to_change_your_Luck 06:05 it impacts your luck timeout and bonus luck 06:05 eraserhead97: luck items are a specific small subset of items 06:05 not all items 06:06 Yeah - so that's things like the luckstone, specifically, or the devteam's tshirt, or the like. 06:06 that's a really interesting idea though, that toting around a lot of cursed stuff has some impact on you. will write it up as a YANI 06:07 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:07 aosdict: Shouldn't have quite that profound an impact, imho, though. Otherwise there's no point in having a luckstone at all, luck's already less important than it used to be. 06:08 * aosdict wants to get rid of luck 06:08 @aosdict yup - you're right - I misread the wiki 06:08 aosdict: Why? You mean, so that there's no penalty for cheating in soko? ;) 06:09 luck impacting To-Hit is an important aspect of the game, I think - I had one run where I lost my luckstone and couldn't hit anything 06:09 had to burn a wish for that run 06:10 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 06:13 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 06:15 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:17 I think that must've been a bit extreme. 06:17 But there was one time I couldnt' hit an NPC with my OP monk. 06:17 Had to bring out vorpal for that. 06:17 NPC's AC must've been -40 or thereabouts. 06:17 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:17 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #evilhack 06:18 most of the things that luck affects should really be dependent on other stats 06:19 I think luck should influence generation. 06:20 Eg, you won't get that magic marker in the ice queen's realm and the like. 06:20 Not 10% possibilty, but Zero chance. 06:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6931 points, T:6138, killed by a werewolf 06:21 Well, that was unlucky. 06:22 DAMN 06:22 were you stunned? 06:22 I didn't see what happened... 06:23 Got totally surrounded by the wolves when they did their #monster 06:23 !lastgame 06:23 Arahael: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SurferOfButthole/evilhack/dumplog/1618290834.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/joes/evilhack/dumplog/1618146847.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1618304379.evil.html 06:23 And I was in a doorway, too, which impeded me. 06:25 So I got bit 6 times in a single round, I think. 06:25 that toon's like a glass cannon - real squishy 06:25 that's the part I didn't understand - how many were adjacent to you? 06:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 143 points, T:453, killed by a hobbit 06:25 eraserhead97: All of them. 06:26 damn - a /odigging would've save ya 06:27 but maybe not - not sure if you can dig in a doorway 06:27 eraserhead97: Yeah, I should've used the /otelo, if I stopped to think. :( Instead, I tried attacking that werewolf one last time, but I forgot I was in the doorway. 06:27 And next thing I knew was that all the wolves got summoned. 06:27 applying the /otelo would do it 06:27 Yeah, I should've done that. 06:28 Now, this game, on the other hand... I've started with GoP! 06:28 lol - v.nice! 06:28 melee caster ftw 06:28 Yep! 06:29 I'm going to make a beeline for soko in this game. 06:30 Woah, so much easier to melee with 25 st. 06:30 yeah - to-hit and dmg bonuses are no joke 06:32 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:33 Missed oracle. :D 06:37 I think what did me in that game was - apart from getting distracted (quite often after someone in the real world has been talking to me, ,actually), was I also spent a lot of time in that particular level with the stash. I should've moved on to soko. 06:57 Woah, a leocrotta just around the bend. 06:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3665 points, T:3403, killed by a leocrotta 06:57 So sad. 06:57 Pushed a boulder through... And right there was the leocrotta. 06:58 So sad. 06:58 no telepathy/warning? 06:58 damn 06:59 Nope, and it was freshly generated, too. 06:59 I was just going to solve the soko, then go back up and try the mines. 06:59 Wasn't going to do the zoo yet. 07:02 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 07:03 Woah. Oracle already. 07:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 577 points, T:915, killed by a rothe 07:03 I'm playing too fast. 07:04 go team q! 07:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 431 points, T:863, killed by a bolt of lightning 07:09 What rotten luck! :D 07:13 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:33 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 07:36 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a cloth armor entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:1688 08:01 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 08:04 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:04 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 08:06 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 08:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:20 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 08:22 How many times does one have to dip one's boots in a forge to repair it? :( 08:23 My luck must be poor. 08:25 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 08:25 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:37 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 08:39 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 08:45 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:47 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 08:48 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 09:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3168 points, T:5285, killed by an owlbear 09:01 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 09:01 -!- stenno1 has quit [Client Quit] 09:03 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 359 points, T:1031, killed by a giant cockroach 09:34 phew 09:35 Pat the Robber robbed me blind and now Pat is ded 09:35 VICTORY 09:42 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: updates] 09:54 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:57 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:08 eraserhead97: Late but yeah, knock is how you deal with cursed saddles 10:18 mobileuser: pat the robber of letting you carry another role's quest artifact safely without the wizard stealing it 10:19 heh, we could have been great friends! 10:20 pat the robber had a wand of sleep and nearly killed me 10:20 but he also had silver DSM, so my infidel feels epic now :-) 10:22 -!- telegarn has joined #evilhack 10:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:40 -!- telegarn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:41 -!- telegarn has joined #evilhack 10:44 uhm 10:44 ? 10:44 hum 10:44 This Grey-elf corpse tastes okay. You wake up. You feel a bit perkier. 10:45 You wake up?? 10:45 sleep eating 10:45 ^ K2 :-) 10:46 I did get zapped with a wand of sleep earlier while having reflection 10:47 -!- joes has joined #evilhack 10:47 restless sleep amulet maybe? 10:47 Y - an uncursed amulet of magic resistance (being worn) 10:47 wouldn't that say you fall asleep at some point 10:48 rest*less* sleep? EPI? 10:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:21827 10:51 \o/ 10:54 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:12 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 11:13 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 11:18 I know what happened with the "you wake up" thing 11:20 fall_asleep got called with a time of 0, because it got a low roll for the timer in zhitu (with reflection it's 1d6) that was further reduced to 0 with partial sleep res 11:21 that set nomovemsg to "You wake up" but didn't set multi (or set it to 0), so nomovemsg was never displayed and reset 11:21 when done_eating is called, it checks whether there is something in nomovemsg and prints that instead of "You finish eating foo" if so 11:21 so it printed "you wake up" when you finished eating the corpse 11:22 -!- joes has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:24 K2: I think you can fix this by just adding an 'if (how_long == 0) return;' or something like that to the start of fall_asleep(timeout.c) 13:09 -!- eraserhead9784 has joined #evilhack 13:09 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed Dispater, on T:68394 13:09 -!- eraserhead9784 has quit [Client Quit] 13:10 Umbire ty! 13:10 np 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:49855 13:23 acid blast appears to work really well against npc's ^^ 13:30 -!- aoei has joined #evilhack 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:50309 13:54 hey, paul the splanchomancer is carrying the amulet of yendor! this game just got a lot easier! 13:55 qt thanks 13:56 np 13:57 are there any other multiturn events like sleeping that can get passed a 0? maybe it could happen for them too if so 13:57 paralysis maybe but there's no partial paralysis resistance that could bring it to 0 right 13:59 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 13:59 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 14:06 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:07 correct 14:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) became the Emissary of Moloch, on T:22993 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible qt's ghost, the former Magician, on T:22945 14:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Fem Law), 236437 points, T:38259, killed by a death ray 14:37 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:69094 14:55 i am up to 12 tengu corpses and still no control :( 14:56 do you have teleportitis? 14:59 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:50632 15:02 qt: yes. second tengu corpse. the 12 have been since that 15:02 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #evilhack 15:03 two revgenos for four corpses, the rest in gehennom 15:03 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:08 so this electric eel spawned in a sewage puddle, and despite being surrounded by water would not move from it 15:08 sometimes i swear i see them on land? or maybe it's the kraken 15:09 You see here a pair of dragonhide yugake named Dragonbane (for sale, 644268 zorkmids). 15:09 oof 15:09 nice! 15:09 time for the ol' stealeroo 15:10 and my pet died a while ago :/ 15:10 will probably try to steal 'em 15:10 i just killed a shark on land 15:10 you can find a fortune cookie and train a dog/cat... it's worth it lol 15:10 or just kill the shopkeeper 15:10 as long as they aren't cursed. then you need a container 15:11 i almost always use a pet, but i am a pet person 15:13 do you have teleport control ring ? or have you just been randomly teleporting? 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased wand of death", on T:939 15:13 magic lamp lying round 15:13 *around 15:13 sweet 15:14 so what happens if an eel pulls you into shallow water? do you still drown? 15:14 i do not want to find out 15:14 Zonguldak the elven sergeant gets angry! You kill Zonguldak the elven sergeant! You murderer! 15:14 murder never felt so good 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:50852 15:15 nice nabru ;) 15:15 you got the gloves? 15:15 yep 15:15 i just found them in bones. pretty sweet 15:15 saved a wish 15:19 13 tengu et, nothing 15:21 et tengu, brute? 15:21 brutal indeed 15:22 chances are less than 10% this would happen, and i might have missed one or two in my count :( 15:25 You wrap your bullwhip around the balrog's bullwhip. You yank the bullwhip from the balrog's foreclaw! 15:25 fuck you balrog 15:28 haha 15:29 this blessed unicorn horn is faulty. it fails on the first attempt almost every time 15:29 i want to speak to the manager 15:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a pair of old gloves entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:25357 15:35 Yay fumbling gloves! 15:35 \o/ 15:35 nice one hothraxxa! 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law), 8894 points, T:4194, petrified by a chickatrice 15:36 rip 15:36 vs locate acheivement unlocked 15:37 too bad this was in sokoban, so no bones 15:37 acievement 15:37 ahcievment 15:37 i did it 15:37 spelling is hard 15:38 spelling is easy. typing is hard 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] SurferOfButthole (Inf Ith Mal Una), 895 points, T:1499, killed by a pony 16:07 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:07 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #evilhack 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Dispater, on T:51681 16:21 looks like eraserhead97 picked up evilhack pretty fast 16:21 academic question, how hard do you think it is to pick up evilhack, if one is already capable of ascending hard variants like grunt 16:21 seems like the primary differences with vanilla are: acid blast + disease 16:22 alhoon and vampire mage 16:22 aosdict: i'd say still difficult 16:22 I haven't played grunt, so I can't say, but from vanilla, it seems like a month is enough from vanilla, if you catch the main diffs 16:23 but it depends on playing styles, too - if you're too aggressive, it take a lot longer 16:23 it's not just the differences, it's adjusting your strategies 16:23 s/take/takes 16:23 if you enjoy evilhack then you really ought to try grunt 16:23 true, but recognizing the differences come first 16:23 thx for the tip! I'll do that next! 16:24 yeah - seems like dragonbane and golden dsm helps a ton in evil 16:24 wait until you get your first dragonhide cloak of reflection and magic resistance 16:24 > a month is enough 16:24 feelsbadman 16:24 eraserhead97: so to boil that down a bit, overpreparing remains a pretty good strategy? 16:25 DAMN - LoL didn't know about those 16:25 actually i think it's a cloak of magic resistance and reflection 16:25 yeah 16:25 no cloak of reflection in grunt 16:25 aosdict I think so, if your goal is to get a first ascension 16:25 gotta suss out what's dangerous and what's not 16:25 that's a HUGE part of any nh or variant 16:25 you know what's dangerous? fucking gelcubes 16:26 oh, yeah - I died to when branchporting into soko - right into one - no chance to counter 16:27 I've died to many of evil's traps - salamanders in lava, acid blast from ice queen, gelcubes... 16:27 try to learn once and not repeat 16:27 i like that way you think, young eraserhead97 16:27 you'll go far 16:27 hothraxxa ty, jedi master 16:45 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±7] https://git.io/JOOXH 16:45 [EvilHack] k21971 20307b6 - Give orcish knights an orcish long sword. 16:48 DIRGE 16:49 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 16:50 \o/ 16:50 brb 16:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:58 hmm... ...2 balrogs in the room with demo - a recipe for disaster 17:00 on the other side of the level? I usually attract him with cursed invis 17:01 oh - that's really smart - I must've disturbed him somehow - he popped out 17:01 i think he always has two balrogs 17:01 ic 17:01 yeah i boulder fort on the stairs and quaff cursed invisibility 17:02 then hit him with lightning and cold usually 17:02 I was going to ask how you handle him - so far, I've just been using blindfold/free action for defense (not sure what's best) 17:02 the balrog whose whip i took was one of demo's 17:02 heh 17:02 don't mess with an arc 17:02 if you melee him then have eucalyptus ready 17:03 or just wear gold dsm ;-) 17:04 that works too 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:52413 17:04 thx for lightning tip ^^ 17:05 scary part is getting stunned and confused even though I'm blindfolded/FA 17:05 hence boulder fort 17:05 v.smart 17:06 I don't think a blindfold helps against demo? 17:07 yeah - it didn't help 17:07 I think he only stuns/confuses when he's adjacent, tho 17:07 that's right 17:07 hence the boulder fort 8^P 17:08 lol 17:08 Yeah, his melee attack is what stuns 17:08 :B 17:09 ah, silly me, demo's fort has a backdoor - I was going through his mini-maze of rooms 17:10 balrog has WoD 17:12 is balrog's magic whip any good for archeologists or does it show up too late in the game (better options already available)? 17:16 it's just a whip of fire. more interesting is the Angelslayer that a balrog sometimes has. If you have trident skill. 17:17 wow - never heard of Angeslayer - guess it's a good monk tool for astral 17:18 s/tool/weapon 17:18 monks don't have that skill 17:19 had a toon last week with that skill - thought it was monk, but guess I was mistaken 17:19 maybe knight? I forget 17:20 well I suppose a chaotic monk could receive Angelslayer 17:20 that would unlock the skill 17:21 my unaligned demon infidel cannot receive the chaotic Angelslayer :-( 17:21 F 17:22 ^ K2 I still think Angelslayer should be unaligned in Infidel games, it is such a fitting weapon 17:24 @mobileuser btw, do you do mammoth revgeno over black rain because they're more tanky? 17:30 easier to tame 17:30 in preparation for 0.7 17:31 i often take two or even three attempts to tame all the black dragons from a revgeno. mammoths would need just one attempt 17:31 as a bonus you can tame them as a knight 17:31 if you wear dragonbane in 0.7, then you can't tame dragons 17:31 well the .7 nerf is not that hard to deal with 17:31 don't wear dragonbane? 17:31 yeah 17:32 no way :-) 17:32 amateurhour: knights can't tame dragons at all in evil 17:32 and you are right, easy to tame 17:32 yeah, I meant you can tame mammoths as a knight where you can't use black rain 17:32 true 17:32 oh, right 17:33 be ware that as long as they are not tame, they can damage you a lot 17:33 *aware 17:33 i prefer the dragons because they disintegrate a lot of shit 17:34 they do, but it's really amazing how quickly the mammoths can clear the field 17:34 well you also use the cloud strategy 17:34 yes exactly 17:35 move ahead first to kill a rider, then summon the cloud 17:35 grasshopper (who invented all this afaik) told me not to whistle the pets back once you scatter them with broken tele wand 17:35 what does that do, concentrate all the mammoths where you are first going? 17:35 i've done the crowd strat too though 17:37 I think in the case of mammoths they are more effective massed together 17:37 melee creatures 17:38