00:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker the giant zombie, and former Skirmisher, on T:7840 00:25 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:7926 00:35 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker the giant zombie, and former Skirmisher, on T:8514 01:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a steel long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:9050 01:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 19399 points, T:9920, poisoned by a kobold zombie 01:46 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 01:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:59 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:53899 02:01 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:53920 02:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:45 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) had an apron entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:9839 02:52 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ogre lady, on T:10336 03:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:32 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:35 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:47 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:56 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 05:06 -!- arahael1 has joined #evilhack 05:07 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una), 2773 points, T:4160, killed by a dwarf lady 05:44 killer dorf 06:19 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:03 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a mithril amulet of magic resistance, on T:15047 08:03 wewp 08:03 had another commit to post last night but i fell asleep too early 08:03 \o/ 08:03 i actually got sleep like a normal person for once 08:03 hah 08:03 wooo "oMR 08:04 @K2 sounds like you're getting into the "flow" 08:04 i am 08:04 v.nice 08:05 how's the new pup?  adjusting? 08:05 this next commit is small potatoes comparitively speaking but imo its sort of a significant thing? I made a new function for certain mon vs mon attacks that is missing from vanilla and as far as i can tell, every other variant 08:05 dnh has prob accounted for it but i havent checked 08:06 interesting - did you find it through observation or diff'ing? 08:06 through observed behavior, or more specifically lack of behavior 08:07 i'll lay it all out in the commit, coming soon 08:07 i just need to review it again 08:07 kk 08:20 pro tip 08:20 git checkout -b 08:20 push a feature branch 08:20 let others review the feature branch 08:20 before merging it to master 08:26 this isnt major 08:26 i was fixing one minor bug and noticed it so fixed it too 08:30 forges have a chance of removing curse? 08:32 has a chance to bless an object you dip in it yeah 08:32 luck has to be 5 or better i think 08:33 i think 5 is the threshold 08:33 k - thx - better than rusting it in a fountain - oh, ok - my luck might be too low 08:33 certainly forcing me to train in trident 08:34 forge dipping is not bad if your luck is high. it's blessed stuff for me before. i also repaired some throughly rusty gauntlets of power with repeated dipping in a forge 08:34 otoh lava demons :( 08:35 on that note, I'd better make some holy water instead... 08:35 originally forges would explode easily and pretty much destroy you and your stuff. k2 fixed that 08:40 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:43 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #evilhack 08:44 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/JYNu6 08:44 [EvilHack] k21971 6e97032 - Fix: The Archangel points all around, then curses. ≡┌╫ the saddled black dragon / new monster vs monster attack function (buzzmm). 08:46 I like the mm, mu, um notation/designation 08:47 buzz is a miscellaneous bucket (outside of casting & combat)? 08:48 The red dragon breathes fire! The blast of fire hits the Angel of Moloch. The Angel of Moloch resists the death magic, but appears drained! 08:48 ^ how'd that happen hah 08:48 must have introduced that from an earlier commit 08:52 ah i bet its this commit from a few days ago - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b2ef857fa5c93440e24813c17bf96c1d199516f2#diff-8990911abf4b77c1409346cfa8a128c97a4024268db7a2d44b83c2ec4d175b75 08:53 yup... doh 08:54 out of interest how come the commit message has ≡┌╫ in it 08:54 so silly 08:54 because that was the actual text I was getting 08:54 whack 08:54 some weird Sprintf shenanigans that got brought over from grunthack 08:55 maybe color-formatting inserted in the wrong spot? 08:56 It's the specific curse used in Angel language 08:56 hehehe 08:57 :) 08:57 so that commit i just pushed. angels will be able to use their magic missile attack against monsters now 08:57 just fyi :) 08:58 astral w/ conflict is gonna be a like a rave now hahah 08:58 hothraxxa seeing that red Stressed designation makes me nervous 8^P 09:00 ic in hothraxxa's run that he has (xxx aum) in his inventory - what's the OPTION for that? 09:01 I thought he was playing xnh when I saw that 09:01 OPTIONS = invweight 09:01 ty! 09:02 yup - works great 09:02 The Angel casts a spell at the red dragon! The red dragon is hit by a shower of missiles! 09:02 woo 09:05 does this increase the value of eg a pet Archon? 09:05 archons dont have that capability 09:05 only three monsters currently have it - angels, yeenoghu and elven wizards 09:05 ah ok, thx 09:05 (in vanilla subtract elven wizards) 09:06 I briefly had an angel pet in my last run... 09:06 I seem to remember it was casting magic missile 09:07 but in castmu() (and in evilhack, castmm()) there's an entire section for elemental type spell attacks to be used, and they arent, anywhere, except the magic missile bit for angels and yeenoghu 09:07 i wonder if the devteam had plans for it and then forgot or just decided against using them 09:08 mobileuser your pet angel wouldnt have cast its magic missile attack against monsters - the function didnt even exist until today 09:10 I have a memory malfunction then :-) 09:11 I am reading the wiki page on angels, it says their missile attack ignores both reflection and half spell damage. 09:12 I am surprised about the half spell damage part... 09:12 The Angel of Anu zaps you with a magic missile! The magic missile hits you! But it reflects from your shield! 09:12 ^ vanilla 3.7 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:19679 09:13 it ignores MR 09:13 not reflection 09:13 that's why astral is so dangerous in evilhack and sporkhack, because reflection is only partial 09:13 wiki is *gasps* wrong 09:14 "Angels possess a melee-range magic missile attack that they can use ignores both reflection and half spell damage, but deals no damage if you have magic resistance. " 09:14 I'm having trouble parsing that sentence 09:14 can you link it? i'll fix it 09:14 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Angel 09:18 hmm no 09:19 MR protects against it too 09:19 huh 09:19 The Angel zaps you with a magic missile! The magic missile hits you! The missiles bounce off! 09:19 ^ no reflection, wearing CoMR 09:19 no damage 09:20 so that part is correct 09:20 maybe i'm confused 09:20 astral is about to get more dangerous thanks mobileuser :) 09:20 \o/ 09:20 anytime! 09:21 testing official nethack 3.6.6 09:23 The Angel zaps you with a magic missile! The magic missile hits you! But it reflects from your shield! 09:23 no damage 09:23 yeah so that part looks incorrect on the wiki 09:23 just switched to comr 09:24 still no damage 09:24 yes, it's only without reflection or MR that you suffer damage 09:26 neither reflection nor MR, then damage 09:29 maybe that was from 3.4.3 09:29 also relevant: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Half_spell_damage 09:29 The following sources of damage, though they may be considered spells, are not affected by half spell damage: 09:29 The magic missile attack from angels, Yeenoghu, gray dragons and the Chromatic Dragon. 09:29 this is different in evilhack? 09:30 maybe? I need to look 09:30 any changes in that regard would have been early on 09:31 well, I always assumed that half spell damage was a benefit on the astral plane because of the magic missiles 09:31 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35 this is at the end of zhitu() in zap.c 09:35 ./* Half_spell_damage protection yields half-damage for wands & spells, 09:35 including hero's own ricochets; breath attacks do full damage */ 09:35 if (dam && Half_spell_damage && !(abstyp >= 20 && abstyp <= 29)) 09:35 dam = (dam + 1) / 2; 09:35 losehp(dam, fltxt, KILLED_BY_AN); 09:35 return; 09:37 technically half spell damage should apply 09:38 abstyp are as follows: 09:38 * type == 0 to 9 : you shooting a wand 09:38 * type == 10 to 19 : you casting a spell 09:38 * type == 20 to 29 : you breathing as a monster 09:38 * type == -10 to -19 : monster casting spell 09:38 * type == -20 to -29 : monster breathing at you 09:38 * type == -30 to -39 : monster shooting a wand 09:38 in the half spell damage bit there, breath weapons (20-29) are excluded 09:38 but that's it 09:39 is that vanilla or evilhack (or both)? 09:39 both 09:40 so this could be a 3.4.3 thing 09:40 thx for checking! 09:42 more tests 09:42 MOAR 09:42 \o/ 09:45 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 09:45 K2 it's not related to zap.c at all 09:46 it's AD_MAGM in mcastu.c 09:46 ah right 09:46 gdammit i was just there 09:46 stop confusing me! 09:47 :P 09:49 ok i get it now 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law), 1974 points, T:2386, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 09:50 heh, cursed bag of holding on level 1 09:51 at least I can try to use it for zombie disposal 09:52 oh wow 09:53 so the whole 'The Angel casts a spell at you! You are hit by a shower of missiles!' only happens when they are right next to you 09:54 if they are any farther away its 'The Angel zaps you with a magic missile! The magic missile hits you!' 09:54 the distance attack would be subject to half-spell damage 09:54 the 'shower of missiles' bit is not 09:55 yeah 09:55 case AT_MAGC: 09:55 if (range2) 09:55 sum[i] = buzzmu(mtmp, mattk); 09:55 else 09:55 sum[i] = castmu(mtmp, mattk, TRUE, foundyou); 09:55 break; 09:56 ^ vanilla as well as evilhack and pretty much everything else 09:56 yep 09:56 * stenno buzzmu's K2 09:56 mmm 09:56 :I 09:56 is that battery powered or plugged into the wall? 09:56 asking for a friend 09:56 ...battery 09:56 \o/ 09:58 ok so 'shower of missiles' is also not subject to reflection 09:58 NOW i get it 09:58 aaah... 09:58 astral is about to get more dangerous thanks mobileuser :) 09:58 :P 09:59 so this wiki entry 'Angels possess a melee-range magic missile attack that they can use ignores both reflection and half spell damage, but deals no damage if you have magic resistance. The magic missiles they fire at range are similar to those from a wand of magic missile, but can be done at will.' is correct 09:59 nice 09:59 melee-range should probably be reworded 09:59 you see the word 'range' there twice and think distance 09:59 as in not next to you distance 10:16 mobileuser if you want, you should edit that entry on the wiki for angels 10:16 edit it so its easier for smooth-brained ppl like me to understand :P 10:25 i see where i can make some improvements to my 2nd to last commit 10:25 err last commit 10:25 i havent committed this latest one yet hah 10:27 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JYN9x 10:27 [EvilHack] k21971 98d3a1d - Fix: death magic resistance feedback. 10:29 ugh i had half-spell damage in ad_magm in mcastu.c 10:29 why did i do that 10:31 damn chameleon showed up as elder minotaur on Dlvl:3 and almost one-shot'ed me 10:32 almost? hah you got lucky 10:32 they hit *hard* 10:33 I had 85HP - was down to 2 - prayed and he changed into something squishy 10:36 K2 can we bribe u with zorkmids to use feature branches and bugfix branches 10:37 hmm prob not 10:39 i have version branches 10:39 i use those 10:39 you'll thank yourself after trying them 10:39 bugs are discovered all the time, i'm not making a branch just for those 10:40 tell you what 10:40 when it comes time to work on druid, i'll make a feature branch for it 10:40 the thing we would like to solve is cluttering up the master branch with fixup commits pushed 5 minutes after people got to look at the initial commit 10:41 how is it clutter? 10:41 you can delete branches btw 10:41 so you make bugfix branch, commit stuff, maybe fix it up and commit again 10:41 it's clutter because if someone wants to look at your commit for the implementation of something, they're going to be missing a part of it that could be important 10:41 the way i do things currently is perfectly fine, its organized for me 10:42 admire it for a few days/proudly show it off at show and tell (aosdict/qt/etc can see it) 10:42 aosdict, there's this thing called 'search' 10:42 if the bug is discovered months afterward that's one thing, but minutes? 10:42 then merge it in (and squash all the commits into a single commit) 10:42 so 4 commits become 1 and you don't have to leapfrog commits over eachother 10:43 I've pulled in evilhack features a few times and copied over the bugs that were in them because I didn't know that there were later fix commits 10:43 wow, angels wont use shower of missiles at all in vanilla against monsters either 10:43 much sad 10:43 amateurhour i have never used 'squash' 10:44 the way you all are describing doing things... you look at the xnh repo. there are multiple commits for the exact same thing 10:44 THAT bit is confusing 10:44 huh? 10:44 oh yeah 10:45 I try to maintain a pretty clean commit history so I don't know what you mean 10:46 i'd have to look again to point out where 10:47 i just remember seeing that last week 10:47 i was like 'why is this in here twice' 10:47 but back to my supposed problem - if the system works the way I like it, why should I change it? 10:47 eraserhead97 I got fatally acid splashed by a chameleon vampire mage earlier :-) 10:47 when you discover it, please let me know 10:48 aosdict i will 10:48 so many more nasty monsters for a chameleon to choose grom 10:48 *from 10:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 11:29 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 11:29 just learned that for AT_MAGC attacks, AD_MAGM needs to come before AD_SPEL otherwise AD_MAGM never gets used 11:29 neat 11:29 elven wizard just got more interesting 11:30 (and will make a half-way decent pet if tame) 11:34 -!- joes has joined #evilhack 11:36 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 11:39 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 11:41 -!- stenno2 is now known as stenno 11:42 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Charon, on T:78673 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:78691 11:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:78718 11:45 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/JYAvk 11:45 [EvilHack] k21971 07a2e39 - Some tweaks/improvements to castmm() and buzzmm(), elven wizard. 11:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Sam Hum Mal Law), 661 points, T:1117, killed by a giant spider 11:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Ran Cen Fem Neu) stole 7500 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Zlaw's hardware store, on T:11048 11:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Ran Cen Fem Neu), 21336 points, T:11057, killed by a bolt of cold, while sleeping 12:53 i'm about to borrow some xnh features 12:53 i'll give them back, promise 13:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Inf Hum Mal Una), 2940 points, T:3685, killed by a soldier ant 13:14 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 748 points, T:2004, killed by a baby owlbear 13:17 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JYAON 13:17 [EvilHack] k21971 054b526 - Identify a wand when it prints an unambiguous message while engraving. 13:50 -!- joes has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:52 -!- aoei is now known as ay-oh-exiss 13:55 ty k2 13:55 \o/ 13:55 i'm doing this one next - https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack/commit/d9033e260bfe2db3c5a6145385b59b2aef1e8602 13:56 i'll do away with #give and implement xnh's #loot for pets 13:56 according to amateurhour on the etherpad, this will be 'more big good with less sad' 13:57 i like the way you think young k2 13:57 idk who that amateurhour is but that sounds like an epic description 13:57 happy national beer day 13:58 well he surely sounds handsom 13:58 e 13:58 ... 13:58 :D 13:58 would I sound moronic if I had forgotten that I had that available in my current xnh game 13:59 hah 13:59 these won't be in .6 amirite? 14:00 correct 14:01 wasn't #loot for monsters buggy? 14:03 aosdict doesnt code bugs 14:05 * hothraxxa wishes on evilhack's etherpad 14:27 do away with give?? 14:28 removing charity from the game... truly it is evilhack 14:28 replaced with something that also does what give does in a nicer interface mobi 14:28 that doesn't sound like "more big good"? 14:29 #loot lets you give items and take items 14:29 oooh 14:29 phew 14:29 like using a container 14:29 so its definitely more big good for less sad 14:29 more big good \o/ 14:47 in further aosdict-doesn't-know-his-own-variant news, I am kicking gray stones like loadstones still exist 14:51 lol 14:51 just caught up on the backscroll 14:51 another interview for help desk that was a waste of time blaaaah 14:52 'well, i dont really have help desk experience pre se' 14:52 *per 14:52 me: then why are you here? 14:52 blah! 14:52 if i ever have another kid, i'm naming it 'more big good' 14:53 middle name 'less sad' 14:53 "More Big Good Less Sad Simpson' 14:54 either that or 'Plato Caliente' 14:54 were you ever tempted to call your kids Lisa or Bart? 14:55 hah no 14:55 i'm not a dick 14:55 More Big Good > Bart 14:57 there was a conscious effort to pick a name that had a low chance of being used to make fun of said child 14:58 yeah, we chose the names to be proper as well, with defined short call names to hopefully fill the "call name" space beforehand 14:59 yup 14:59 it worked even better than expected with the younger one. she insisted to be called by her short name in kindergarten. 14:59 we had more fun with the second and third names :) 14:59 hahaha my aunt named her kid mark to avoid the shortened name thing 14:59 kids called him markie 15:00 everyone calls mini-me by her proper name (Kathryn) except my wifes family, they call her 'Katie' instead 15:00 and sometimes mini-me will refer to herself as Kat 15:00 kat ftw 15:00 that's her username for nethack 15:00 yeah, you can only lower the chances but so far, it worked okay 15:01 its set in dgl just hasnt used it yet 15:02 aosdict i'm gonna borrow your pit fiend change alos, i think that's super cool 15:02 *also 15:02 i love flavor changes to monsters like that 15:03 in my case, I go by my completely unrelated nick name I got from my dad when I was 2. via the friends from the playground, it creeped into kindergarten, into school and then into highschool and so on. it never occurred to me to change it as I don't even listen to "Patric" if somebody calls out the name 15:04 so just Pat? 15:04 completely unrelated 15:04 "bubi" 15:04 hah 15:05 you're a yiddish grandmother? 15:05 that's a new one 15:05 no way 15:05 that's the first thing that came to mind 15:05 i've had a lot of nicknames over the years, some of which i can mention in polite company 15:05 :) 15:06 i bet your favorite hothraxxa was 'son of god' 15:06 didn't she say "hi this is Kat" when she got ahold of your keyboard one time? 15:06 sorry about that whole cross thing btw 15:06 aosdict lol yes 15:06 i'm a peter, named after my dad, so i had a nickname 15:07 'K2' is a nickname i've had since the early 90's 15:07 slightly off the mark K2, not the son of god, just a disciple 15:07 :) 15:07 it's an affectionate term for boy in German, but it can also be used insulting. but in general it's going somewhat down the kawaii route 15:07 ah 15:08 first nickname lasted until high school, where i got a new one 15:08 if i ever meet you in person bhaak i wont be able to resist 15:08 'BUBI!!' 15:08 it's amusing being called this way but often being the most competent person in the room :) 15:08 hahah 15:08 I'm looking forward how you're going to butcher it. 15:08 oh here, hold my beer 15:09 it's national beer day! i'll take it 15:09 i can butcher it like you've never seen before 15:09 is it?? 15:09 !beer 15:09 K2: It's your shout! 15:09 !beer everyone 15:09 K2: I thought you'd never ask! 15:09 but "bhaak" would be fine as well. several people I know from online call me that IRL 15:09 damn 15:09 there is a biergarten near where I live, but have never been there 15:10 no one calls me k2 irl anymore just online 15:11 no one calls me any more either :( 15:11 * aosdict yells "Hey, hothraxxa!" at the top of his lungs 15:11 there you go 15:11 heh 15:12 hothraxxa is a completely original name i made up just for nethack 15:15 i would have been more impressed with 'very historitcally burnt greased hothraxxa feat. eddie van halen on guitar' 15:15 bubi? like a bosom? 15:18 are you asking bhaak whether he'd like a bosom? 15:21 amateurhour: yes. you might understand why I chose a different online nick. the name bears no such connotations in German though 15:25 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±7] https://git.io/JYARj 15:25 [EvilHack] k21971 6047d8b - Remove #give command. 15:26 the dev giveth and the dev taketh away 15:30 "You feel like you've been here before." uh oh 15:31 retreat! 15:31 need to find a blindfold and get telepathy first... 15:41 the dev taketh away the give 15:43 } 15:43 else { 15:43 ^ much sad 15:43 } else { 15:44 ^ more yay 15:44 :P 15:44 they both have different contexts where they look good 15:45 that's right, aosdict with the hot takes in here 15:45 heh 15:45 i get it, everyone has their own formatting style. i had to poke fun a lil bit 15:45 amateurhour made me do it 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) had a leather studded armor entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:25519 16:40 dude. what am i supposed to do with the +4 chain mail you gave me? 16:45 give it to a pet 16:45 humanoid pet 16:48 initial #loot test with pets - more big good 16:49 aosdict, when I #loot a pet to take something it's wearing, technically I have to #loot twice correct? 1st time, it takes off the worn obj, 2nd time I can get it 16:49 yep 16:49 if i dont initiate the 2nd loot, will the pet eventuallt re-wear that obj? 16:49 this could have become an occupation but that would be significantly more complicated 16:49 *eventually 16:50 and yeah it ought to 16:50 not right away, is what I found in testing 16:50 this is way cool 16:51 i pulled in extract_from_minvent() while doing the #loot upgrade 16:52 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:25709 16:53 in wizmode I can #loot from peacefuls, I dont think you can do that in an actual game 16:57 yup that's the case 16:57 this is really slick aosdict, good job 17:03 An uncursed dog named Idefix containing 20 items lands on the altar. 17:04 lol wut 17:04 well, pets will be containers now? :b 17:07 did you get that message in game just now? 17:07 oh 17:07 you're asking 17:13 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14 :P 17:19 mobileuser: I mean, yes, they are a walking struct obj chain 17:23 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:28 see you all in a bit 17:30 see ya! I was just kidding of course :-) 17:31 -!- telegarn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:34 I wonder what other small changes would lead to more big good 17:37 80% of xnethack 17:37 just make evilhack a downstream of it 17:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Mal Una) destroyed the invisible mobileuser's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:7126 17:39 aosdict is there a bug where you can engrave repeatedly with a wand to get xp? 17:39 just wondering about the comment in engraving_learn_wand 17:43 only if there is a bug in how it's called 17:43 it's not that stable, I grant you, but the only places it's called are where you get a wand-specific message 17:43 and those only appear when you don't know the wand yet 17:44 like "This is a wand of lightning!" 17:44 ah, could you make it not do that by checking that you _don't_ know it before calling learnwand? 17:44 vanilla does that with one step of indirection 17:45 it checks that you don't know it, before setting to true the boolean that enables it to be called 17:45 I mean specifically in the engraving_learn_wand (rather than the bits with preknown and postknown) 17:45 why bother, if there is no abuse possible here? 17:46 the order seems weird, you learn it then if it's known you give experience 17:46 or am I misunderstanding the guard 17:46 learnwand doesn't always identify the wand 17:46 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:46 oh right, fair enough 17:47 e.g. a zen player picks up and engraves with /oLightning 17:47 they know that specific wand is of lightning, but they don't necessarily know how to identify others 17:48 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a mithril spear entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4115 17:50 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:52 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) had a pair of boxing gloves entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:21477 17:54 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:57 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5191 18:09 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:14 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #evilhack 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 4190 points, T:5573, killed by a wolf 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:23541 18:40 anyone make a successful monk run in evil?  how did you deal with use or lack of chest armor (for AC and for MR/reflection)?  Luxi mentions that the penalties are even worse in evil. 18:41 I think I understand now why players were selecting giant? monks - anyhow, I random rolled a dwarf so that option's not available 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 259 points, T:734, killed by a giant spider 19:01 eraserhead97 you could take a look at the monk ascensions already completed, have a look at the asc kit each player had 19:02 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law) destroyed SeamusMcRed's ghost, the former Reconnoiteress, on T:6005 19:04 -!- bhaak has joined #evilhack 19:04 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ascended.evil.html 19:05 does it make sense for a centaur to "roundhouse kick" or "butterfly kick" a monster? are those motions a centaur is capable of achieving? 19:06 maybe centaurs should have a special kick message like "you kick %s with your powerful rear hooves" or similar 19:07 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a fire giant, on T:28288 19:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law), 10538 points, T:6410, killed by a djinni 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 858 points, T:1683, killed by an arrow 19:30 -!- telegarn has joined #evilhack 20:31 just checking... will wielding demonbane prevent demon lords (asmodeus) from porting in other demons and demon lords? 20:32 eraserhead97: reflection via Dragonbane gauntlets and MR via EotA or "oMR 20:33 and hope for a few hives so you can build strength to 25 with royal jelly 20:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:80504 20:42 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:80869 21:49 bouquet yes wielding demonbane prevents demon gating 21:49 qt: I remember thinking about that once (centaur monk kick messages) and forgot. thanks for bringing that up 21:49 yay. As if they'd have a chance before I chop them in half 21:50 ...which I saw Obituary play live. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMGsDd2N_o8 21:59 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 22:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:81757 22:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 109 points, T:319, killed by a boiling potion 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:82576 23:10 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:26731 23:18 short version of my reddit post: How bad is cannibalism luck penalty? Can I overcome it with gems and a friendly unicorn? 23:28 vampire mage on Dlvl:18 - time to take a break 23:28 You can, you'll be stuck with aggravate monster for the duration though 23:29 Cannibalism is -2 Luck, you can get up to +5 with unicorns per gem 23:29 *coaligned unicorns 23:38 bouquet: I don't know what changes Evil made to that specifically, but generally I feel it's not worth it 23:38 It's not a GAME ender always, but better to avoid in the first place 23:39 That said, nurse tins are somewhat compelling for human players