00:24 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://git.io/JY9Rl 00:24 [EvilHack] k21971 5c87f2f - More wizard quest nemesis tweaks. 00:34 Mindflayer larva feeding? 00:34 das Evil™ 00:34 what is MFL? 00:35 ^ 00:36 Just said yo! 00:36 they have a chance to turn u into MF? 00:37 More their prisoners rather than you 00:37 so they turn their hosts (mobs) to MFs... 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:88642 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:88649 00:53 So I imagine to be the case 00:53 damn - vlad is hard-assed - drained me for 6lvls 00:54 Yeah, a right prick 00:57 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed platinum magic whistle", on T:88692 01:12 "The potion of full healing falls away and disappears" - the peril of casting "charm monster" on vlad's first Dlvl 01:35 You'd think they would hold on to the inventory upon taming 01:35 blasted doofuses 02:44 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 02:47 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 02:47 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest45163 02:47 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 02:49 -!- Guest45163 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:47 !who 05:47 mobileuser: [hdf-us] eraserhead97 [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 06:00 eraserhead97 just checking: did you know that if you drop a bag on an altar, its contents are automatically BUC identified? 06:00 no need to take stuff out of the bag first 06:01 huge timesaver compared to vanilla 06:15 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 06:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1197 points, T:1417, killed by a rabid rat 06:16 aaaargh 06:16 typical nethack 06:17 I find a scimitar of cold (yay!) and next a rabid rat poisons me 06:17 lol typical RNG giveth, RNG taketh away 06:18 yup, takes away ALL :-) 06:18 aye 06:18 kill Jester 06:19 mobileuser: did u die 06:19 killed by a rabid rat 06:19 :( 06:19 rip 06:19 what role u gonna do next 06:19 maybe I should stick to orc... 06:20 I want to play Infidel for a while, I've ascended all roles twice now 06:21 infidel is fun! 06:21 neat 06:21 i kinda wanna try Infidel 06:21 the problem is I don't want to play EvilHack 06:21 heh 06:22 starting with the amulet makes the game very different 06:22 yea 06:22 i like the concept 06:22 i guess i could play the vanilla Infidel patch or something 06:22 locally 06:42 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:90444 06:54 with the nerf in alchemy for healing potions, it doesn't seem to be worth it to go from extra healing to diluted full healing (for the purposes of increasing max hp) 06:55 for blessed versions, I get 5 from blessed extra healing and I think only 4 from a blessed diluted full healing 06:58 I guess the strategy now is the use blessed extra healing/full healing for max hps and keep a couple of the diluted full healing for emergencies. 07:01 1. bless extra healing, full healing - quaff them all 07:01 2. healing -> diluted extra healing -> diluted full healing (bless them, keep 2 for emergencies) 07:15 did you read my (scarce) notes page eraserhead97? ;-) 07:16 doh - did you already describe this? I'll take a peek now 07:17 also, did you see my message about dropping bags om altars earlier in the backscroll? 07:18 no - what was that one about? 07:18 "eraserhead97 just checking: did you know that if you drop a bag on an altar, its contents are automatically BUC identified?" 07:19 ya - that one, I knew. doh - your notes page is "hidden" - doesn't come up in search and doesn't come up here: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Mobileuser 07:20 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Mobileuser/Evilhack 07:20 ah - ty! 07:20 same strat for healing potions that you arrived at 07:21 haha - good - nice sanity check 07:21 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:23 I only kept 3 diluted full healing potions but got 5 nurse tins. Hope that's enuf - gonna go for black rain. 07:23 also gonna use AoLS - wear one - 2 spares 07:25 you got this 07:26 it helps that the quest arti gives half spell damage 07:26 the biggest threat on astral is getting showered with magic missiles 07:26 ty ^^ - I discovered, the hard way, your notes on pot of paralysis - didn't work well at all 07:26 heh 07:27 same goes for rubber chicken, not great in evilhack 07:28 I think as long as I don't get pickpocketed, I should be ok - it's always an adventure when I find that I'm missing the Amulet or MB or something important 8^P 07:28 gl! :-) 07:28 ty ^^ 07:28 mobileuser: does your note about para include wielding and force-fighting? 07:29 no...? 07:29 why would force-fighting make a difference? 07:29 if I'm using para for kaen I usually wield it and smash it over his head whilst wearing free action 07:29 instead of throwing it 07:30 ah, ok, but it's not a guaranteed hit in evilhack 07:30 @amateurhour fwiw, when I tried that against vlad, I kept missing - gave up after 3 tries 07:30 ah gotcha, high ac and stuff 07:30 I ended up getting drained for 6-7 lvls by vlad 07:30 it's more that anything unskilled has a big chance to miss 07:30 I thought the note meant that throwing them was bad, just had to check 07:31 cheers 07:31 is it under "bare handed combat"? 07:31 hitting with potions? I don't think so... 07:31 ie wielding a potion of paralysis... 07:32 no, bare handed combat skill deosn't help there 07:32 are there any variants with an improvised weapons skill? 07:32 things like pots or rubber chickens - I have no idea if you could train for them 07:32 you can't 07:32 so they just fall under "unskilled"? 07:32 yup 07:33 makes sense 07:33 @amateurhour btw, if you have a /oCancellation, it should help debuff Kaen if you can't hit him 07:33 did ad&d have the concept of improvised weapons, or is that later editions I wonder 07:37 btw eraserhead97 don't forget to attach candles to the candelabrum 07:38 ya - lemme do that now 07:40 I started leaving the candles off and keeping them in bag 07:40 until the last second 07:41 I guess if it gets stolen and lit, that'd be bad news 8^P 07:41 my stolen Bell of Opening (earlier) got spent 07:41 because of that time when I accidentally lit them, then attached with a particular time left on the candles, which made the game unwinnable 07:41 (fixed now) 07:41 ya - no phat fingers 8^P 07:41 but these days I think in vanilla the fire traps and stuff can light your lightsources 07:42 so that scares me 07:42 oh - >that< I didn't know! 07:44 maybe im just paranoid though 07:44 w/nh, u can never be too paranoid 08:04 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 08:07 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:91647 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:91654 08:14 \o/ 08:17 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:91716 08:20 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) murdered his faithful green slime, on T:91745 08:26 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 4597 points, T:6137, killed by an owlbear 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) murdered his faithful basilisk, on T:91979 08:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Pri Cen Mal Neu), 1766 points, T:1508, killed by a magic missile, while sleeping 08:41 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) murdered his faithful spectre, on T:92018 08:44 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:48 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) had a chain mail entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:5590 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:92208 09:23 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:25 hell ya eraserhead97! 09:25 @rebatela - not so fast! still gotta grab the Amulet, hehe 09:26 \o/ 09:26 just cheering ya on. i've been away lol 09:26 hehe - ty - ^^ 09:27 reading the little scrollback i do have. yeah, I've never even tried rubber chicken in evil i don't think 09:27 if you're not proficient in a weapon you can't hit things with real high ac like player monsters 09:28 it can work 09:28 yeah 09:28 its just no longer an easy option 09:28 that was interesting - I was in VotD and tried a levelport to 100 - I got ported to Moloch 09:28 but it's not like vanilla in astral 09:28 ya - I'm having a hard time hitting AC:-30 or stronger 09:28 I think I'll just go around/teleport them 09:29 teleport is the way to go imo. i love having lots of charges and you can recharge those more than once, just DON'T teleport riders or their corpses obviously lol 09:30 0.7 gets rid of teleport wands. it's gonna be a challenge! 09:31 doh - I can't find my way outside the building in Molochs - no teleport wands? that's drastic 09:31 hehe i totally made that up about the wands (hopefully he doesn't actually do it now ;) ) 09:31 wait what's happening to teleport wands? 09:31 oh 09:31 haha 09:32 rofl - u scared me there 09:32 0.7 paranoimia 09:32 well you have your own game to be scared about don't listen to my dumb ass lol 09:33 I wonder how hard it'd be if there were no wands at all 09:33 you guys seem to have a bigger grasp on what the changes are. I haven't been following along i know some stuff. should be really fun 09:33 you know there are 2 drawbridges in the sanctum? 09:33 @mobileuser no - I had no idea! that's why I can't get out 09:33 I already got myself killed once when they exploded 09:33 ic one now! 09:33 watch out for salamanders 09:33 ty 09:34 and exploding dawbridges 09:34 I blow them up first now 09:34 from a safe distance 09:35 yeah. i used to always do that with the castle and then you never have to worry about it 09:37 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/doc/evilhack-changelog.md 09:37 i like magicbane. i never use it seems hard to get now unless i were to wish 09:38 scroll down to 0.7.0 09:38 but if you blow up the drawbridge right away then you can't use it to smush the guys 09:38 qt: Message from K2 at 2021-04-04 17:30 EDT: that dmonsfree panic is still there, even after including your count++ suggestion 09:38 ahh thanks k2 i always lose that link. i will bookmark 09:38 qt: very true. that's the tradeoff :) 09:39 smooosh 09:39 hmm k2 that's no good, I'll give it another look 09:39 thanks 09:40 i tried a few different things, nada 09:40 its only on passive indirect kills 09:40 she zapped poly at you. that would suck 09:40 directly killing the ice queen, no issue 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:92334 09:41 haha your game is so evil k2 09:42 it better be, otherwise i'll have to go back to marketing and drum up another name 09:42 * K2 waits for someone to type 'BABYEASYHACK' 09:42 awww it didn't randomly teleport? is there only a chance of that? 09:42 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:92360 09:43 don't forget the marker. i've done that and had to go back ! 09:43 there is 09:43 (tele) 09:43 damn - I forgot it - TYVM! 09:43 not on the ground - where is it? 09:43 crystal chest 09:44 oh - ty! 09:44 sometimes the amulet telports and like a player monster will pick it up. makes it.... fun 09:44 @rebatela not in the altar room? 09:45 someone must've picked it up? 09:45 it's not in that chest? 09:45 I missed it - ur right - whew 09:45 it's easy to do because you're just htinking about the amulet 09:46 exactly what happened to me 8^P 0:32 09:46 you can cursed gain level here (or anywhere i think) if you have any 09:46 that's what i try to do, but man i don't have them most of the time 09:46 yuppers 09:47 going to leave you alone ! 09:47 @rebatela - ty - saved me with that MM! 09:48 no problem haha! you would have gone back. I put the amulet under a rock at the top of the dungeon and teleported back 09:48 i think i've forget the marker a couple times 09:48 forgotten* 09:48 going through all those mobs again wouldn't been fun - especially that NPC I couldn't hit 09:49 hehe you haven't even seen the mobs yet ;) 09:49 just try to go around everything, don't get bogged down fighting 09:49 I was going to do black rain on astral - but I might go conflict/teleport now 09:49 there's no mysterious force, so you truly just have to get to the stairs and you'll never see them again 09:49 good tip 09:50 sometimes the plyaer monsters are tempting to fight.. mobileuser says don't do it ! 09:50 but if they have death wands i do 09:50 yeah - most of the time, meaningless, though - lots of pain, little gain 09:50 but yeah you can't teleport at all. no scrolls etc. 09:51 right, but on my last run? I got like 2 or 3 death wands and it could have saved me a couple wishes 09:51 so those were worth fighting 09:51 otherwise, i usually have everything i need potions/scrolls etc. by the time i have the amulet so i just try to run around them 09:52 ok - I'd better not chat - I just walked into lava 8^P 09:52 applied a wand of cold 09:55 K2 clarification: does the problem happen when the ice queen is disintegrated by the hero's BDSM? or just when disintegrated by another monster's passive disint? 09:58 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:58 eraserhead i'm not gonna talk to you and distract you but you need free action for those gel cubes ! just gave me a stroke 09:59 oh u got it now i'll shutup for real 10:01 k2: did you design that demogorgon level or it's from another variant? 10:07 qt: both 10:08 i also saw it happen when she nuked me with acid blast spell and wound up killing herself with it 10:08 rebatela: I pulled demo's level from grunthack and then modified it 10:08 ah ok 10:08 is that before or after you applied the change I suggested? because that change actually caused it to happen in additional circumstances lol 10:09 oh geez 10:09 I didn't have a very clear understanding of how the ice queen revival thing is supposed to work 10:09 i dont remember exactly when I reverted it 10:09 pro move with the grease there, eraserhead97... 10:10 the reason the icequeenrevive() routine was moved to dmonsfree was because before if you killed her with say fireball spell and the first blast killed her, she changed/became peaceful and then the subsequent blasts would damager her and make the enchantress angry 10:10 riker actually made this change 10:11 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/417410063d5eae84fd3892be42cd39a666fa68ff 10:12 and before that, https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c73923a342bba4334117c00b55860b237d3562f4 10:12 i think the problem is that mongone doesn't have the early return when the target is the ice queen that xkilled and mondead do. so normally 'killing' the ice queen just marks her as dead with no side effects, but for deaths that call mongone it isn't handled in the same way 10:12 an easier way to reproduce the impossible is to blessed geno * on the level, because that uses mongone too 10:12 I think this fixes it https://termbin.com/e5ko 10:12 ah 10:14 nice 10:14 if it does happen from a BDSM-wearing player's passive disintegration attack, then there is another issue. but I couldn't reproduce that (player passive uses xkilled, mon passive uses mongone) 10:14 i'll include this and run more tests 10:14 MOAR 10:14 thanks qt 10:15 qt can you stop using that acronym 10:15 lol I hesitated every time I wrote it aosdict 10:15 seriously... The Gift™ 10:15 makes me think I'm in a slex channel 10:15 i love BDSM 10:15 best armor 10:15 :P 10:16 lulz 10:16 xnethack has eradicated such things O:) 10:17 though I guess evilhack's eventual plan is to follow with that 10:18 imagine if there were no dragons and therefore no dragonhide related things at all 10:18 btw I think ozzy and koa might get killed for realsies if they are passive disintegrated by a pet black dragon 10:20 yeah they do 10:20 hrm 10:21 they didnt die for real when engulfed by a black dragon 10:22 but thats not passive 10:22 I think it's the difference again between mongone and others (mon_xkilled, mondied, etc) 10:22 so that same bit you just pastebin would need to do same for the dogs 10:22 and for kathryn the enchantress hah 10:23 you might need to add the same sort of "don't actually kill these guys" handling to mongone 10:23 yeah 10:24 one complication is that mongone is also used for escaping the dungeon (running up the dlvl1 stairs) I think 10:24 so always preventing it for those characters would mean they can never do that 10:24 does kathryn follow you if you levelport? 10:24 no 10:24 there may be other places it's used too for non-violent "disappearances" 10:24 so it should be fine 10:25 if you grep mongone there are a lot of places it's used, probably should check whether any of them could be problematic 10:28 ok 10:28 stepping away for a bit, back soon 10:29 one issue is that when preparing bones, if kathryn is there it calls mongone to get rid of her 10:29 I imagine that is unreachable code if there's no way for her to leave her own level 10:34 k2 I think the better solution is actually to use something other than mongone for passive mm disintegration 10:34 it's not used for normal disintegration (by breath attack etc) 10:34 maybe xkilled w/ nocorpse 10:35 yeah probably best to use whatever is used normally for one monster disintegrating another 10:36 i thought it was mongone() heh 10:40 there's a function disintegrate_mon that you might be able to use directly 10:41 i sort of thought mongone was used too tbh but it seems like it is monkilled with a magic number value for not leaving a corpse 11:02 i heard there is no teleport away spell in 0.7... 11:02 wizards will just have to charm everything 11:02 Dude wizards get at-will tele XL 8 11:03 yeah i'm watching eraserhead97s game he is crushing this ascension run as wiz 11:04 how's that related Umbire? 11:04 i heard there is no teleport away spell in 0.7... 11:04 oh i was just joking 11:04 they're joking, but teleport away is a beam that can be directed at monsters 11:04 o 11:04 as well as yourself 11:04 Yeah I know 11:05 because i said it about teleport wands earlier. i don't think you were here 11:05 I'm aware of the spell's functions, it just 11:05 never comes up because I usually have a wand/portitis/control by them 11:05 yeah talking about teleporting monsters 11:06 blocking the way 11:06 it's a bitch once you have the amulet they crowd around the stairs 11:06 evil... 11:07 elder minotuars can't be tamed FYI 11:07 i rev geno'd them once and almost died 11:07 I know 11:07 I troped it ;B 11:07 ya - friendlies are sometimes more trouble than they're worth - when they don't get out of the way 11:07 Almost football teamed yourself there 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:65649 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided locusts, on T:65650 11:10 my primary issue atm is I lost my bag with WoD inside - need to get back to my stash at Dlvl:10 to reread FoD (down to 1-10%) 11:11 u lost your boots? 11:11 DAMN - you're right! 11:11 that happened to me 11:12 boots robe etc. i wore like elven boots and cloak. do you know haste? that's the main concern 11:12 so nasty - was wondering why I lost so much AC 11:12 you could write it 11:12 i would want the speed one way or another. potions 11:12 how many times do I need to cast it? 11:12 it stacks 11:12 and you have the eye 11:13 ok - if I have extra mana, will cast 11:13 but you also have the amulet hehe 11:14 if you put the amulet down to cast like people do in vanilla it teleports (possibly) 11:14 i think if you bless it it doesn't, but i could be wrong 11:14 Yeah I think it teles 11:14 it auto-teleports? that's real nasty 11:15 the odds of the amulet teleporting away when you drop it is based off of its BUC status 11:15 so if you know you're going to want to drop it at some point, you'll want to bless it 11:16 @K2 thx for tip 11:16 some people seem to think speed is overrated (i'm not one of them) 11:16 right now, I >really< need speed FoD down to 7-8% 11:16 do u you have the regular speed ? like zap yourself with speed monster? I always play monk and it's intrinsic so i never think about it 11:17 16 levels to go 11:17 smart! 11:17 I keep a wand of speed monster for if I lose intrinsic speed in orcustown 11:17 on monks I mean 11:17 yes - I have the wand - but prolly haste self has stacked over it 11:17 but like if you have the potions at your stash, i think a few of them will keep you extra fast for the endgame? not sure. never done that but i know people do 11:18 well, no haste is like extra fast like speed boots/potion 11:18 ya wand left no msg 11:18 you probably already had the instrinsic 11:19 if you have the marker charges, i would write haste 11:19 and just cast it as you go, or put the amulet down somewhere like soko or whatever and cast it a bunch for the end game 11:20 I've been casting haste (got it) 11:20 you might even see speed boots somehwehre! 11:20 oh ok cool 11:20 I have a STOP message or whatever set in my .rc file for when it slows down. you get a warning 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:94244 11:22 and in evil, there's a similar reflection spell that also stacks... that can save a slot. Sometimes i stand there with a bunch of food and stack both if i have the eye 11:23 that's good to now - for this run, dragonbane suffices 11:23 for sure 11:23 s/now/know 11:24 yeah dragonbane rocks 11:25 Archon destroyed some of my rings 11:27 ahh that sucks 11:27 you gotta get free action back for astral 11:27 it's ok - maybe I have spares in my stash 11:28 yeah start picking any up if you see them. they are easy to poly 11:28 doesn't someone play without FA? hothraxxa? maybe not in evil 11:29 crapola - looks like no spare for FA 11:29 there's like 200 rings there and no free action lol 11:29 you can cast poly right? or have the wand? 11:30 may need to charge a blank 11:30 the problem here is, if I take too long, I'll be swamped by mobs 11:30 something will throw paraylsis at you on astral... hell, that can happen in vanilla 11:30 oh for sure 11:30 i just wouldn't do the endgame without free action myself. maybe someone else can chime in 11:30 lemme grab the spare speedboots first 11:31 I'll swap out the helm of brilliance since it's down to +0 11:32 bring a spare helm of speed 11:32 oh yeah you could get speed that way too i forgot 11:32 but you know the spell 11:32 just make sure you're fast some way 11:33 good luck man! I gotta run errands. you got this! I would try to find free action tho! 11:33 poly for it 11:33 u have a zillion rings. you'll get it quick 11:33 ok - I'll try to poly for FA - ty 11:33 what's your astral plan? 11:33 pets? black rain? 11:34 that's wand most people tend to do as opposed to conflict 11:34 was going for black rain, but I think seeing that friendlies often block, I think I'll go for conflict/tele/charm monster 11:34 I have a camera for riders 11:35 i like black rain because if you have to do grand tour, by the time you do it it's just wide open space if you make enough dragons lol 11:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 365 points, T:1242, killed by a giant bat 11:36 -!- joes has joined #evilhack 11:36 ok - I'll consider that - thx 11:36 but yeah sometimes i do a combination of things. i've never really done conflict though. Magic harp is really convenient for making it rain/taming but scrolls/spell work fine 11:38 got 3 cursed geno, 3 cursed taming 11:39 Why cursed taming? 11:39 Or did that just sorta happen 11:39 you get more range (learned it from mobileuser) 11:40 i think maybe confused taming? or is it the same? (I'm "confused" now) 11:40 i love having that harp and pyec 11:40 rofl - I may be mistaken 11:40 I'll have to look it again 11:41 you could be right. figure it out though lol 11:41 yeah - doing it wrong would >not be good< 11:42 Yeah you want *confused* taming for that 11:42 Not cursed 11:42 kk - ty! 11:42 ok - here's a question - there are two mobs over two adjacent squres 11:43