00:00 rebatela: I usually prefer it when the owner comes as they often come with a bunch of bags. 00:01 Unless... they come with a potion of speed that they drink immediately. That's just nasty. 00:08 Found Demonbane on the floor of VotD, but don't haven't unlocked mace as wiz 00:11 btw, will breaking a 0:0 /oTele still teleport mobs surrounding u? 00:12 i think it has to be 0:1 to break and have that effect? 00:12 kk - thx for that tip - wasn't sure as never tried 00:12 althought teleport wands can be recharged more than once 00:12 death wands only one recharge! 00:13 thx for reminder - MM's are scarce in evil 00:13 there is one in molochs when you get the amulet... 00:14 guaranteed (marker) 00:14 sorry for the spoiler. it 00:14 it's probably good to know that though 00:14 hahaha - I can use all the spoilers you can tell me! 00:14 ty 8^) 00:16 btw, is the Kathryn l00t worth the fight? I can't remember what she drops... ...and there's that Pegasus (I forget if it's trainable) 00:16 i was just going to bring that up 00:17 you get an artifact dragonhide bag of holding that holds like even more than a bag of holding 00:17 yeah the pegasus is trainable. also there are woolymammoths that are even better pets you can ride 00:18 also a 10% of a marker there (now we're REALLY getting into spoilers... that took source diving) 00:18 but it's definitely optionally.. if you don't have acid resistance she can cast crazy spells and do a ton of damage. i've splatted there 00:19 but it's nice being able to carry more shit... sometimes i tame everything and just let them fight it all out. sometimes i will go bakc and ride the wooly mammoths/train riding skill 00:19 it's a fun branch, but optional 00:21 rebatela TY - I've added these to my notes - yeah - I've been through K's acid-death b4 - nasty - I might have to use YDSM to get through that one 00:21 yeah... dragonbane is great for that level 00:22 i've gotten through it without acid resistance.. you just gotta be real careful play slow/have lots of pets to get in the way lol. a lot of times i just do that 00:23 have u ever gotten dragonbane without a wish (I've always had to burn a wish) - I suppose it's droppable? 00:23 mobileuser always sacrificises for it! 00:24 it's neutral 00:24 so yeah.. I never personally have but they always do. I think you can find it on the ground too like anything or a player monster could have 00:24 it's a good wish though 00:24 oh - that's good to know - I will try sacs later! 8^) 00:25 but it will come with an a owner a lot of the time 00:42 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 01:00 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12 -!- arahael has quit [Quit: "Rebooting tmux!"] 01:13 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 01:13 #hardfought 01:13 Uh... That was an accidential advert. Please feel free to join that, y'all! 01:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 337 points, T:1158, killed by a gnome lord 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7215 01:44 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±15] https://git.io/JYKWQ 01:44 [EvilHack] k21971 5d873cf - Some minor curses mode fixes. 01:44 [EvilHack] k21971 ace0f09 - Fix: wish prompt. 01:44 [EvilHack] k21971 4e04be4 - New command (^U) to remove remembered 'I' monster markers from the map. 01:45 gnite o/ 01:46 K2: You're getting later! G'night! 02:02 [hdf-us] [evil] SurferOfButthole (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 2056 points, T:6211, killed by a warg 02:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1059 points, T:2222, killed by a bugbear 02:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 727 points, T:1110, killed by a dwarf 02:44 [hdf-us] [evil] SurferOfButthole (Inf Ith Mal Una), 3662 points, T:2735, killed by a gnome lord 02:46 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:47 eraserhead97 if you have fireball, that's a good one to use against the ice queen 02:47 also good against NPC's 02:51 Fireball is *incredible* on that level :) 02:51 heh 02:53 ah - I'll have to wait until I find a drop or get lucky polymorphing for fireball 02:53 Fireball makes the abominable snowman much easier, too. 02:54 Plus anything else on the ice? Pfft. One-shot ded. 03:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:56 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 04:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5091 points, T:5858, killed by a dwarf 04:59 * arahael is sad about that one. Killed by a dwarf, whilst grabbed by an owlbear. 05:01 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 498 points, T:1037, killed by a giant mosquito 05:43 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 06:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:52431 06:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:52432 06:14 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 4101 points, T:3430, killed by a priestess of Poseidon 06:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:52525 06:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:52555 07:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 63 points, T:119, killed by a small mimic 07:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:53479 07:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:53781 07:57 morning 07:58 hi! 07:58 Hello mobileuser, Welcome to #evilhack 07:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 932 points, T:1975, killed by a pony 07:59 It's a *really* tough role! 07:59 or race? 07:59 mobileuser - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/4e04be4fe53697accc23a3d96558f77909e3acc7 08:00 God help me, this comes from Slash'EM Extended 08:00 \o/ 08:00 :) 08:00 infidel happy dance! 08:00 yay 08:01 mobileuser: What? The other races are easier? ;) 08:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 70 points, T:518, killed by Mr. Angmagssalik; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 08:02 well, the low str and con really make it difficult, don't you agree? 08:03 The low str isn't the biggest challenge. It's the starting high AC and no food. 08:03 Str is generally fixable. 08:03 yeah that's wizard 08:03 Eg, with GoP. 08:04 yeah IF you find them 08:04 Or wish for them, yeah. 08:04 and low Con means slow HP growth 08:05 But the other difficulty is that you don't want to wear iron helms either. 08:05 that is easily fixable ;-) 08:05 enough bone orcish helms around 08:05 Yep, but not at the start. 08:05 well pretty soon 08:06 Hmm, found a random Psuedodragon. 08:06 they are common 08:06 must be bones? 08:07 (also, forced GoP is not ideal for a wizard) 08:07 It's likely to be bones, yeah. 08:09 You feel like you've been here before... 08:09 Did it say that? 08:10 just kidding ;-) 08:10 Yeah, I don't think it said that. 08:10 But it does feel like bones. 08:10 maybe your own bones? 08:11 It's mine, just found the ghost. 08:12 Hmm, and the ghost is killing me. 08:13 *sigh*. 08:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 852 points, T:1312, killed by a rothe 08:13 !lastgame 08:13 arahael: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SurferOfButthole/evilhack/dumplog/1617343347.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1617302123.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1617364916.evil.html 08:14 Yep, that was my bones :) 08:15 I'm still used to monks. 08:18 So you had been there before ;-) 08:19 Indeed, but I don't think I got that 'feeling'. 08:21 you got the lovin' feeling? 08:22 you lost it maybe? 08:22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOnYY9Mw2Fg 08:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:54250 08:23 K2: perhaps I drank it away. :) 08:24 !booze arahael 08:24 * EvilBot delivers arahael a schooner of the hooch, decanted by NotTheOracle\dnt at 305 Kelvin. 08:24 K2: I've already had a double-portion of whiskey tonight! I'm actually playing drunk tonight! 08:24 \o/ 08:24 best - way - to - play 08:25 nethack starter kit includes a bottle of jim bean and a box of ho-ho's 08:26 Glenfiddich tonight. My usual whiskey, actually. 08:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a leather armor entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:54331 08:28 I've always liked the scotch, never really liked the american whiskeys. 08:29 Though, perhaps I just haven't had good american ones. 08:29 lol leather armor for old times sake Thoth? 08:32 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 08:36 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JY6Bc 08:36 [EvilHack] k21971 b0c81bb - Rename evilhack-changelog.txt to evilhack-changelog.md 08:43 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JY6R6 08:43 [EvilHack] k21971 a706ff1 - Update evilhack-changelog.md 08:47 huh 08:47 so from version 0.4.1 header onwards, everything in indented 08:47 W H Y 08:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4056 points, T:4028, killed by an invisible stalker 08:49 Oh, yeah. Invisible Stalkers really are invisible for wizards. 08:50 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JY6Ev 08:50 [EvilHack] k21971 6792928 - Rename EvilHack changelog extension to .md and update formatting. 08:52 Evilhack taking ideas from slex 08:52 :^) 08:53 ikr? 08:53 i start therapy next week 08:53 K2 can you please add AUTOCOMPLETE to removeimarkers? 08:54 not sure if it happens in evilhack but in slex ^u doesn't work in vikeys 08:54 so it was later on added to autocomplete 08:55 you mean via # ? 08:55 yeah 08:55 gotcha 08:55 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1027 points, T:824, killed by a jellyfish 08:55 Ok, bed time. Too tired now. :) 08:55 seeya arahael 08:55 G'night! 08:55 sleep well 08:55 gnite arahael 08:57 sleep well! 08:57 rofl... this is in the doremoveimarkers() function in slex 08:57 if (uarmc && uarmc->oartifact == ART_TURN_LOSS_EXTREME) return 0; 08:57 lol 08:57 if you're wearing that artifact, the command wont work 08:58 pretty standard for slex, no? 08:59 yeah just wasnt expecting a nerf in THAT function 09:00 i'm getting a weird sense of deja vu, have we talked about removeimarkers in here before? 09:00 yes 09:00 mobileuser has brought it up a few times 09:00 i finally decided it was time to make him happy 09:06 \o/ 09:06 I kept whining about it 09:06 another victory for Team Whinge \o/ 09:07 EPI: spellcasters can use knock to open crystal chests and iron safes 09:07 (monster spellcasters that is) 09:08 i've thought about that 09:08 EPI: each chest in the castle has a 50% chance of a spellcaster on top of it 09:10 amateurhour adding autocomplete to that command wouldnt do anything, i didnt add it as a command you could use via # 09:11 oh, then it's only possible to use with numpad probably 09:11 eh? 09:11 ^u is movement with vikeys 09:11 its cntl-c 09:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:55521 09:12 ^U == control-u 09:12 not c 09:12 sorry 09:12 no problem, I use numpad! :b 09:12 ^u is movement though 09:12 with vikeys 09:13 Unknown command '^U' for me \o/ 09:13 well its not in 0.6.0 09:13 silly :P 09:14 it'll be for next version 09:14 which will be released soon 09:15 I meant, it's not movement for me in 0.6 ;-) 09:15 so I will be fine in 0.7 09:15 numpad more like numbad >:| 09:15 numpad for LYFE 09:16 repent sinner 09:16 ALL HAIL EVIL NUMPAD 09:17 ugh, i never use it... which key is the actual meta key? 09:17 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:19 oh i see 09:20 welp, what's another key I can use with ^ that isnt a vi movement key 09:21 E perhaps 09:21 cant use I, that's taken (wizmode) 09:21 M 09:21 can it just get added to # ? :P 09:21 i guess 09:21 * K2 sighs 09:22 #rem 09:22 e z 09:23 people can just bind it to whatever I guess 09:23 no i'll add it 09:23 so i dont have to hear non numpad people cry :) 09:23 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:24 OR 09:24 instead of having the same command in there twice, i can just change the letter 09:24 i'm not seeing other nethack commands that you use via ^ and # at the same time 09:24 meta key, yes 09:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:56106 09:26 yay 09:26 ^E is taken (wizmode) 09:26 nice mobileuser 09:26 ^M is available 09:27 there's plenty you can do both for 09:27 for example wizgenesis 09:27 ^g 09:28 kick 09:28 ^d 09:28 #kick isn't autocompleted but exists and works just fine 09:29 gonna keep it simple and just remap the key 09:29 ^M faster than #rem 09:30 bleh "You murderer!" again 09:30 stop killing pegasai 09:30 don't you just HATE when people judge you for the ol murderoo 09:30 heh 09:31 peaceful prisoners are walking in to the temple, the fools 09:31 getting hit by magic missiles 09:35 executing prisoners :( 09:35 You murderer! 09:35 blah why isnt ^M working 09:37 K2: all commands can be entered as extended commands 09:37 since 3.6.1 09:38 i see 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:63295 09:38 hah its already there 09:38 going back to ^U 09:38 \o/ 09:38 don't forget AUTOCOMPLETE 09:39 OK 09:39 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:41 you dont even have to tab, just start typing 're' 09:43 sweet 09:43 sorry I meant 09:43 SWEET 09:44 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JY6ou 09:44 [EvilHack] k21971 bf61653 - Add AUTOCOMPLETE to new 'remove remembered 'I' monster markers' command. 09:44 please test o vikey movement player 09:44 and will ^u still function for movement? 09:45 ah yes it does 09:45 Steve bites the grid bug. The grid bug is put to sleep by Steve. The grid bug is killed! <--- never gets old 09:45 <3 Steve 09:46 is steve an unholy abomination, a created human? 09:46 humans don't have sleep bites 09:46 think it's a homunculus 09:46 infidel starting pet 09:46 that 09:47 homunculi are unholy creations 09:48 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:48 yes, homunculus = created human 09:57 how do you all feel about additional sokoban levels? not adding an extra tier, just more levels in each tier the game can choose from 09:57 Works for me ig. 09:58 no flipping/mirroring 09:58 I suspect it's not a popular idea but I like more soko levels 09:58 is the Ice Queen branch random or guaranteed to be somewhere? 09:58 amateurhour the rebel. if its not popular, he likes it 09:58 eraserhead97 its guaranteed 09:58 level before medusa 09:58 kk - ty 09:58 hey think about it 09:59 I'll look for it 09:59 more soko options = less chance of 2a 09:59 it'll be a portal, and you'll have sound queues on that level 09:59 i like 2a 09:59 the only one I don't like is 4a 09:59 or that's the only one I can't do 100% from memory at least 10:00 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:00 kk - might have to wish for dragonbane before I visit Kathryn - a gazillion artifacts have already appeared - will that affect chances for the wishes' success or no effect? 10:00 it will affect the chances, yes 10:00 yes it will make it less likely to work eraserhead97 10:00 dang 10:00 ok - I'll have to switch to YDSM instead then - ty 10:00 some artifacts dont count though 10:01 which ones have you seen 10:01 Magicbane, Werebane, Fire Brand, Sunsword, Keolewa, Ogresmasher, Cleaver, Demonbane 10:01 hah yeah 10:02 good luck wishing up another artifact :) 10:02 lucky I asked - would've burned a 0:1 WoW 10:02 you'll just have to altar camp for it 10:02 yup 10:02 it's nice altar camping in the quest 10:02 very relaxing 10:02 the chance of getting it is what, 2 / (n+1) ? 10:03 my deepest altar is Lvl 13 and I'm Xp:24 - I was having problems getting mobs high enuf level earlier 10:03 but maybe I should try again 10:03 there is an altar on the last quest level 10:03 easy branchporting 10:03 oh - that counts? go into the quest branch? 10:03 yeah 10:03 sokoban maps for consideration - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_(UnNetHack) 10:03 I remember, next to the Dark One 10:03 thx for that great tip! gonna head there now 10:04 mobileuser altar camps as a form of therapy 10:04 lol 10:04 it quells the rage within 10:04 hehehe - rage from all the YASDs 10:04 mobileuser doesn't have any YASDs 10:04 its either altar camp or throat-punch random uncles 10:05 mobileuser doesn't die 10:05 hahaha 10:05 so that's how he's cleared evil with all the different classes - it's simple: just don't die! 10:05 yes! 10:06 finally got a PW pet - but no magic whistle yet 10:12 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 10:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:12 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 10:13 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 10:14 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:65883 10:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:32 sokoban maps for consideration - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_(UnNetHack) <--- anyone have any thoughts or comments on these? 10:34 I find 3f and 3i quite hard 10:34 the upside is that spoilers exist for all of these on the wiki 10:37 if you want any nasty soko variants 10:37 then add the XII puzzle from Karadoc's nethack mod 10:37 what a limitation it is that new sokoban levels must come with spoilers! 10:37 https://github.com/karadoc/Nethack/blob/master/sokoban/4.txt 10:37 no spoilers exist for it afaik 10:38 what is this fork 10:38 a proto variant that never got off the ground? 10:38 think it was referred to as Kmod 10:39 I don't think it was ever particularly popular 10:39 * aosdict writes it down to parse through the commits of later 10:40 you're WELCOME 10:40 anyways that puzzle is hard because it's really easy to mess up unless you just straight away sacrifice the spare boulder 10:40 you essentially make a soko-puzzle yourself 10:40 pushing the boulders one by one out and around 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:64257 10:44 'Replaced 'sparkle' boolean option with 'sparkle_speed' integer option, so that you can still have the sparkle effect without it taking so long.' 10:44 k-mod 10:44 I rememebr this being discussed about a year ago, looks like k-mod already did it 10:45 'But I've implemented a 'version conversion' system which allows new items to be added to K-Mod without breaking save / bones file compatibility. For example, the helm of anti-magic was added most recently, but saves and bones from before it was added will still work.' <--- wow 10:45 yeah vivit did that iirc? can't remember if the pr ever got merged 10:45 aosdict i dodnt think it did 10:45 *dont 10:47 I haven't looked at the implementation of the k-mod save compat system but it could be as simple as padding objects.c with unwishable zero-prob dummy objects 10:48 which wouldn't cover other forms of savebreaks besides adding objects; I'd rather just savebreak every new version 10:48 savebreak every commit 10:48 it prob wouldnt be worth the trouble unless you know you're going to continually add new objects 10:48 keeps the players on their toes 10:49 finish ya games before updating ya weenies 10:50 k-mod never had a proper release IIRC? 10:50 that hurts your popularity quite a bit 10:51 i've heard mention of k-mod before but i've never seen a release 10:52 looks like a lot of inspiration came from sporkhack 10:52 I think it was also when public servers weren't that big. source only distribution is quite a hurdle 10:54 there's a lot of random variants kicking around from that era it seems 10:54 "Visual indicator showing which spells can be refreshed (from K-Mod)" 10:55 that's the only thing I took from it 10:55 was surprised to learn about the Silly JNetHack variant for example 10:55 slex took some joke roles/races from that 10:55 heh 10:55 a japanese nethack variant being japanese :) 10:55 yeah 10:58 there have always been variants that had a few commits and then were left. 10:58 k-mod is one of the more obscure ones that have a few interesting ideas in it 10:59 yeah, there might be others kicking around too 10:59 I still have a list of commits to look at from k-mod :) 10:59 "bug fix. empty bag of holding should not weigh more" 10:59 need some digital archaeologist to dig them all up 11:05 grunthack started out also quite obscure 11:06 grunthack is only as popular as it is now because of K2's patronage change my mind 11:07 there's far more grunthack ascensions than slashem ascensions listed on the scoreboard 11:07 it was first distributed as a patch, first 0.1.0 and then 0.1.1 and then there was nothing for 4 or 5 years and then development picked up again 11:07 and then he jumped ship 5 years later and went to DCSS 11:09 I don't think it was only due to K2. K2 wasn't around when it was already somewhat popular. opportunity to play helps the popularity of course so having it on a public server is very good for that 11:13 when I made the first version of the variant graph, I didn't include obscure variants with few changes. not that there are that many. k-mod is probably the best developed "one-shots" that also didn't have a lasting influence 11:13 yeah i was late to the game 11:13 i played offline for a looooong time 11:14 I started paying attention to the online nethack community around 1998 or 2000. 11:15 i dont think i started playing online til around 2014-2015 11:15 then there was nothing but nethack or slashem. 11:16 ah late 2013 11:16 jnethack was not visible but that the japanese community has poor visibility always been true. nethack brass was the most visible japanese variant that wasn't mostly a translation project 11:16 but that was started later 11:17 there's nethack TNG as well, not sure when that was 11:17 think it was based on 3.1.3 maybe? 11:17 yep 11:25 some patches floated around. like the heck levels or lethe (but I don't remember seeing discussion about lethe when it apparently was developed) 11:26 sporkhack was the first variant in a modern sense, that also applied some thoughts to balance 11:26 lorimer had lots of fights in RGRN about his balance changes. 11:26 i've read some of those threads 11:26 i can relate a lil bit :) 11:27 before that, there was no real discussion about that with other variant devs that were ancestors or influencers to nethack or slashem 11:27 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:66405 11:27 nethack tng is a variant but with little game changes. lots of SF references and a new "hacker" role 11:28 yep, though it had to be called geek for some reason 11:29 with unnethack, in the first month or so, I only applied existing patches, no new code, to see, how far you can go from 3.4.3 with all the patches that existed. I cheated a bit, as I added my own patches I released earlier :) but as those were freely availabe, anybody could have done that. 11:29 it already got you pretty far before even writing your own code. you were at a much better place back than to be a non-programmer with your own variant than when slashem was started :) 11:31 nao existed then already but it wasn't perceived as a variant in its own right. and I think that was somewhat justified, the big changes to the UI came later when there were more variants around to take code or inspiration from. 11:35 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:36 i remember baking my own copy of nethack for DOS with a bunch of patches that were on nao 11:38 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6379 11:38 nitrohack's code would probably have fallen into obscurity as well, if ais didn't pick it up for nh4. and he paid dearly in refactorings for that. 11:38