00:42 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 00:42 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest42964 00:42 -!- Guest42964 has quit [Killed (rothfuss.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 00:42 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 00:45 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 00:45 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 00:45 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 00:56 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±7] https://git.io/JYVqw 00:56 [EvilHack] k21971 9ac03c5 - Wizard quest leader/nemesis tweaks, MR2_TELEPATHY extrinsic for monsters from worn objects. 01:10 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JYVYl 01:10 [EvilHack] k21971 d7eee1a - The Dark One's familiar. 01:12 Oho, finally buffing Not!Sauron are we? 01:12 a bit 01:17 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 01:17 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest67056 01:17 -!- Guest67056 has quit [Killed (barjavel.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 01:17 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 01:24 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:26 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:33 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest16418 01:33 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 01:33 -!- Guest16418 has quit [Killed (rothfuss.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 01:33 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 02:13 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:16 The Dark One's familiar.... 02:16 just throw a tripe ration at it? 02:18 Can you even tame pseudos with that 02:23 yeah you can 02:24 huh 02:24 extremely useful when you are on a wizard bones level 02:24 ofc now K2's heard he'll probably make it a special untameable unique pseudo 02:24 heh 02:59 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:45513 03:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:45514 03:30 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 03:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:47 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 03:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 650 points, T:1887, killed by a couatl of Ptah, while frozen by a potion 04:02 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8113 points, T:6434, killed by a giant crocodile 04:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Ith Fem Una), 134 points, T:213, killed by a baby sea dragon 04:17 K2, just FYI, I just read blessed magic detection at the castle and I see I discovered the appearance of a WoW again. 04:18 Not really a problem, just a bit of a puzzle because normally the scroll doesn't work for things in chests on the ground. 04:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 613 points, T:1695, killed by a giant spider 04:19 Still have to see what type of chest it is this time. 04:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 174 points, T:878, killed by a magic missile, while sleeping 04:24 Hmm. Dog named Clifford. 04:24 Suspicious. 04:25 bouquet's bones. 04:25 Woohoo! With a Slice of Pizza. 04:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Mon Gia Fem Cha), 2604 points, T:2723, killed by a bolt of lightning 04:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 604 points, T:2032, killed by a large mimic 04:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Mal Cha) stole 1905 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kabalebo's general store, on T:2331 04:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 1146 points, T:2388, killed by a Kop Kaptain 04:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 2002 points, T:2225, killed by a dwarf lady 04:45 *sigh*. Got distracted. :( 04:46 by the nice dwarf lady? 04:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Gia Mal Neu), 1253 points, T:2350, zombified by an elf zombie 04:49 amateurhour: Funny you mention that, I was indeed distracted by a lady. Not neccessarily by *that* dwarf lady, though. 04:50 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Ith Fem Una), 346 points, T:369, killed by a giant mimic 04:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 4 points, T:47, killed by an orcish dagger 04:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 721 points, T:1044, killed by a dwarf lord 04:53 Oof. That was quite a hit. 04:55 probably angry about the incident with their wife 04:57 Ha. :) 04:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 674 points, T:1996, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 05:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Dwa Fem Law), 432 points, T:1701, killed by Mr. Kabalebo; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 05:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Orc Fem Una), 48 points, T:85, killed by a goblin 05:13 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 05:16 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 elven arrows on an altar, on T:3313 05:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 7073 points, T:4061, killed by a lynx 05:23 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 05:25 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3257 05:34 * arahael has *one* item now, and is _still_ "strained" - just an amulet. 05:37 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3876 points, T:3356, killed by a wolf 06:04 K2 castle update: it was a crystal chest again. an unknown wand in an iron safe did not get identified. 06:13 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:22 A T-shirt! :D 06:22 "Somebody stole my Mojo!" 06:27 K2: did you miss that we were talking the whole time about u.uz._dlevel_, not _dnum_? 06:27 dnum is the dungeon index, one for the mines, one for sokoban, one for gehennom etc 06:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:32 neferet and the dark one got a lil buff 06:36 Oh, thanks for the warning. 06:37 neferet was already a bitch 06:37 I'm a wizard in this game. There's a very slim chance I'll survive to the quest. 06:38 to *do* the quest. 06:38 oh i see 06:42 wasn't buffed in 0.6 so don't worry too much 06:42 and it's not really that bad (unless the materials on their new armour rolls as dragonhide) 06:46 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6061 points, T:3696, killed by an ice vortex 06:47 ^^ Doesn't matter, anyway. :( 07:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4206 07:42 aosdict yup I totally missed that 07:42 morning! 07:42 \o 07:42 too much coffee? 07:43 no such thing 07:43 i dont drink bean juice 07:43 yuk 07:43 I do but only the juice from green beans 07:43 you're gonna make me dry heave 07:43 why, is green your favourite colour? 07:43 odd criteria but whatever works for u 07:44 it is a healthful restorative tonic 07:44 I should work "healthful restorative tonic" into an oracle consult 08:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of drain resistance", on T:46853 08:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:46856 08:07 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #evilhack 08:07 hi eraserhead97! :-) 08:07 hihi 08:08 so... ...I can expect all named daemons in G? 08:08 yes! 08:08 I know I need to get my acid resistance up at some point 08:08 I got yellow DS, but need an enchantment scroll 08:08 if possible, I use dragonbane 08:09 yeah - that's a good one - but needs to be wished in, methinks... 08:09 because I prefer gold DSM for the sickness res 08:09 oooh - nice tip!  TY - I do have gold DS drop 08:09 if you have limitless patience, your god can give dragonbane as sac gift 08:10 oh - sac on evil >does< require infinite patience 08:10 wishing only if there aren't too many artifacts already 08:10 yeah - it's not gonna work, I got too many useless arti gifts from the altar already 08:10 what's the deal with Vlad in G?  what do I need to watch out for? 08:11 first thing is, don't fall into the very deep cave 08:11 doh 08:11 that is instadeath 08:11 lol (nervously) 08:11 so have flying or lev ready 08:12 should I just use ring? 08:12 the biggest danger is level drain 08:12 ic 08:12 ring or amulet 08:12 I prefer the amulet 08:12 ok - and try to hit him from afar, it sounds like 08:12 yes, I have amulet 08:12 well, if you have drain res and good AC Vlad is fine 08:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of drain resistance", on T:46853 08:13 ok - no drain res (will gold dsm work?)  AC -38 should be enuf 08:13 I tried taking on vlad with no drain res and I got slappe 08:13 -38 is OK in vanilla 08:13 so no fat-finger into an endless pit with vlad 08:13 check 08:14 hahaha - ok - implyhing not enuf in evil 08:14 well, some monsters hit EXTREMELY hard 08:14 Vlad hits hard too 08:14 damn 08:14 they've been given an artifact sword of pain and sorrow 08:15 but dragonhide saves the day 08:15 ic - I might have to use dragonhide gloves (no dragonbane) over GoP then 08:15 what role are you playing? 08:15 randomly rolled a hobbit wizzy 08:15 oh wow! 08:16 that's what I am playing :-) 08:16 drain resistance is huge for vlad's 08:16 yeah - I've never gotten this far - LoL 08:16 have you done the ice queen level yet? 08:16 @rebatela will gold DSM work for drain resistance? 08:16 mobileuser no, but I've died to her before (I know about her nasty acid) 08:17 gold DSM = light + sickness res 08:17 mainly useful against demogorgon 08:17 hmm... 08:17 eraserhead97: if you are using the ring when you are coming back from vlad's, DO NOT melee from the ladder until you have put the ring back on 08:17 ic - I've never even come across demo in vanilla 08:17 dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance 08:18 no more teleporting out of vlad's. you have to get back into the main branch 08:18 dang - didn't even know there was such a loot (that T-shirt) 08:18 also helps with AC 08:18 ok - making a file of notes now - for all these crazy tips 08:19 but there's MOAR! 08:19 ;-) 08:19 boulder fort works for vlad, demo, and orcus 08:19 it's really easy to fall at vlad's 08:20 orcus id deadly now and doesn't have a real wanf of death. don't touch the "wand of death" he drops 08:20 it sounds silly but a bunch of us died there the first time and it sucks lol 08:20 all right. which one of you switched up my key caps? 08:20 hothraxxa wut?  His WoD is fake/a trap? 08:21 that's really evil 08:21 it's now the "Wand of Orcus" and is a weapon 08:21 it's not a wand, it's a havey mace 08:21 arrrrgh 08:21 heavy 08:21 ic - that's nasty - I won't be picking that up 08:23 the worst is no guaranteed wand of death. in my current game, this could be a problem because so far i've found only one 08:23 yeah i was just going to say that 08:23 it's permanently in my bag because otherwise something or other will cancel it or blow it up 08:23 sometimes i haven't found any other than wish and yeah if i only have one it is in the bag 08:23 wow - so in evil, it sounds like there are so many nasties, I don't know what I should save the WoD for...  just Rodney and named demons? 08:24 or for astral 08:24 rodeny. wand of death doesn't work on demons 08:24 just rodney and riders. same as vanilla 08:24 not death 08:24 ok 08:24 also wands of death can be recharged only once 08:25 THAT'S the kicker 08:25 and things will cancel them and then you can't do anything 08:25 will ?oSM help in astral (never tried it)? 08:25 my trick is to use polymorph for the real nasties. unless they have high MR, which of course they do. 08:26 i do that too. lots of polymorph 08:26 need to get in the habit of telo'ing them, too... 08:26 yeah polymorph is great. i love being able to cast it 08:26 but there are usually so many poly wands in evil 08:26 i have only two teleport wands so far 08:26 i don't even have to learn it 08:27 I think reading scare monster might work on astral, but doesn't work to stand on it for most of the monsters 08:27 eraserhead97: ?osm is nearly useless on astral because you don't want to stay in one place 08:27 ic - ty on ?oSM tips 08:27 i think reading it can even scare the riders 08:27 but camera will work on riders? 08:28 reflection doesn't really help a lot agianst the magic missile attacks of the angels. have lots of full healing and keep moving 08:28 yeah camera works on riders 08:28 camera will scare the riders, yes 08:28 but beware their fucking horses 08:29 horses separate mob after rider dies?  anything special about them? 08:29 each horse has a special attack 08:29 dang 08:30 btw, I've been trying to polypile for =oConflict, but no luck so far - hope to find a drop in G 08:30 yeah they can hurt you. life saving is good for astral if you can juggle it 08:30 conflict depends on your charisma i think 08:30 oh - I didn't know that about conflict! 08:31 i use black rain on astral. mobileuser has been using wooly mammoths i think 08:31 like it won't work on every turn if you're not 18 08:31 wut?!?  revgeno wooly?  what's black rain? 08:31 i don't find the charisma nerf to be that much of an issue 08:32 revgeno black dragons 08:32 wow - so many rule changes/tricks 08:32 yeah. conflict stills works. didn't mean to make it sound like that 08:32 black rain = revgeno black dragons as pets? 08:32 exactly 08:32 yes 08:33 rofl - that's hilarious!  I guess I've only used "purple rain" so far (in vanilla) 08:33 so my standard approach is 4 cursed scrolls of genocide and a magic harp 08:33 ty. i invented it myself 08:33 hothraxxa - sounds good! 08:33 i switched to black dragons because they engulf as well as disintegrate 08:34 oh... ...like a pumped up PW - I forgot they engulf in evil 08:34 however k2 nerfed that a bit. i think about half the monsters on astral who can wear rings have a ring of slow digestion 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law), 6046 points, T:8914, zombified by an elf zombie 08:34 lol 08:34 its random 08:35 ok. i thought it was 50% 08:35 roughly 08:38 but its not a fixed 50% 08:41 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:49 well. i did ludios looking for wands of death and poly fodder 08:49 FAIL 08:50 i mean, some poly fodder but not really what i hoped for 08:51 this is the way 08:51 i meleed a grey dragon and nothing got cancelled \o/ 08:52 however i'm wearing gdsm so i collect a lot of blank scrolls, potions of water, and cancelled wands 09:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1077 points, T:1968, killed by a wolf, while praying 09:01 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 09:04 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:06 I like a highly enchanted aklys when fighting gray dragons, even if it takes a while... 09:09 any strats for !oGL?  better to boost levels or save for Vlad drain?  I'm a Xp:16 Wiz heading into G for the first time. 09:09 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 09:10 I'd like to get charm monster (currently 95% fail rate) - but it's tough as the spell's been boosted from lvl 3 to 5. 09:10 don't have CC (conflict) so using cause fear as a poor man's CC 09:11 for vlad drain just get a blessed potion of restore ability 09:11 ah - smart! 09:11 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11 better yet use boulders and kill him with ranged attacks 09:12 oh - I'll bring along earth so I can MM him 09:13 i save gain level to curse for using on the amulet run 09:13 I've never used that strat b4 - u use it on lvls you like to skip? 09:13 oh and whatever you do don't drop the amulet. carry some object detection in case you do or it gets stolen 09:13 dang 09:14 gotta stop diluting those nymph pots 09:14 mostly i use it to leave the sanctum 09:14 ic - smart 09:14 blessed scroll of magic detection 09:15 or spell of detect treasure 09:15 in my last three ascensions, the amulet teleported when the high priest dropped it 09:15 8^O 09:15 no mysterious force, but the stairs get blocked by monsters 09:15 every time it wound up near the up stairs so i had to fight through the mobs 09:16 yes. a tooled horn helps clear off the stairs 09:16 last time i had a terrible time clearing the portals on the planes 09:16 tooled horn also good alternative to cause fear spell 09:16 oh - that's really good to know - I have a couple of fire horns as drops that I haven't used 09:17 tooled horn doesn't work on mindless monsters either 09:17 yeah 09:17 so no more escaping air elementals with a tooled horn 09:17 that's makes plane of air more of a pain 09:17 *that 09:17 ic 09:18 also, big caution: water elementals engulf and you can't use spells 09:18 in previous runs, I've drowned in one b4 09:18 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 09:18 it's a bit confusing what we can use against which XXX elementals now 09:18 I really like to have amulet of magical breathing ready at all times... 09:18 keep wands of digging handy for escaping from engulfing monsters 09:18 digging works against some? 09:19 or all? 09:19 all engulfers afaik 09:19 not against elemental 09:19 ? 09:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:19 I thought it might have failed against air... 09:20 which might actually make sense... 09:21 yeah in vanilla you can't escape air elemental with wand of digging, I can't imagine that's different in evil 09:21 ah - I'll keep AoMB in open inventory - good tip 09:21 right doesn't work with air 09:21 spell of knock works 09:21 also teleport 09:21 dang!  that's esoteric knowledge (knock) - even for NH - LoL 09:22 knock won't work for water 09:22 rofl 8^O 09:22 you can't cast spells inside a sea dragon of water elemental, or gelcube either 09:22 well I always put the amulet on when engulfed by water elemental 09:22 s/of/or 09:23 and then bash them 09:23 what's up with sea dragon?  he seems to only be a glorified water hose - is he dangerous? 09:23 yes i keep magical breathing for the plane of water 09:23 it's his engulfing? 09:23 yeah 09:23 ic 09:23 like water elemental 09:23 glorified water hose hahahah 09:24 oh - I shouldn't have posted that here - subject to K2 buff now 8^P 09:24 (just j/k) 09:24 without reflection, the water hose really hurts ;-) 09:25 ic 09:25 more like a pressure washer lol 09:25 hahaha 09:33 eraserhead97 pay extreme attention to the salamanders in gehennom. if they grab you they will instakill you in lava on the next turn if you don't act. 09:34 another reason i keep a tooled horn 09:40 mobileuser in one of my early noob games, I somehow got an alhoon pet (a wimpy pet stepped on to a polytrap, I think) - thot I was uber and I was for a long while... ...until post medusa, I got instadeathed by a salamander 09:44 An open-inventory list would be useful (please add any other recommendations): lizard corpse, AoMB, tooled horn, unihorn, /oDigging, /oTele 09:45 mobileuser you should show eraserhead97 your evilhack super ultra knowledge page on the wiki 09:46 heh 09:46 ooooh - I'd love the link! 09:47 I've started to collect some ideas about evilhack items, but I have lots to write yet 09:47 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Mobileuser/Evilhack 09:47 danke! 09:47 > See invisible is only good for turning into water. 09:47 lol 09:47 next will be wands :-) 09:48 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 09:49 you all see the commit storm i did last night? 09:49 :P 09:50 yay! 09:50 the dark one buffed 09:50 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50 aka the weak one 09:51 chance of water troll in the mines 09:51 EPI: copy slashem's poly changes (for both monsters and items) 09:51 water trolls are evil 09:51 yeah, in 0.7 you could meet one in the mines 09:51 nasty 09:52 yeah - wt in early game would, indeed, be nasty 09:52 EPI: troll shaman 09:52 nasty 09:53 :-) 10:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:47376 10:40 reading the backscroll. YES watch out for the salamanders! Nasty (and easy) way to die 10:40 and they blend into the lava 10:42 you guys think the new version will be insanely hard? 10:43 it will have readable hawaiian shirts so I'm all in no matter what 10:44 that's my number 1 most anticipated feature 10:49 lol 10:49 I think I will start with spellcasters in 0.7 10:51 VaderFLAG is used to playing genoless/wishless, I think he will have less problems 11:08 qt, you have the 'pet your pet' patch handy? 11:08 i'll add it lol 11:10 well, it's linked in that "pet the dog" issue but I don't think it would apply directly to evilhack because it's based on 3.7 11:12 tbh it's pretty half-baked; as someone who used it said in the comments on the issue, a lot of monsters have the wrong body parts currently (footrice has "fur" etc) and the #pet command highlights that to some degree 11:12 oh... it's gone 11:12 deleted 11:13 I don't have it actually but that person who used it on their server must have it 11:13 https://github.com/mlehotay/NetHack/commit/88f3da0a8377a121381c08952fb07d90189b5eff 11:14 I think splice implemented it more extensively 11:14 hah 11:14 rebatela: I think the wizard having MR and being able to cast reflection will make it much harder by itself 11:14 and having to face up to two alhoons before being able to geno them 11:16 i dont see it in splicehack 11:16 the pet your pet 11:16 huh 11:34 k2 splicehack did it so that when you #chat to your pet you can choose from a list of options 11:34 one of them is "pet" 11:34 oh neat 11:35 i didnt see the commit right, maybe I searched using wrong term 11:37 it's part of the whole 'dialog' system antigulp wrote so I don't think there's a specific 'pet' commit 11:38 gotcha 11:39 ah, complicated and often underutilized systems, classic splice 12:03 -!- bouquet2 has joined #evilhack 12:23 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37 -!- bouquet3 has joined #evilhack 12:38 sorry about the spam 12:41 -!- bouquet2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:42 -!- bouquet3 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:43 -!- bouquet3 has joined #evilhack 12:51 -!- eraserhead97 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:54 bouquet: this is nothing. why, back in the ol' VaderFLAG days... 13:01 hah 13:11 -!- bouquet4 has joined #evilhack 13:11 -!- bouquet4 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12 -!- bouquet4 has joined #evilhack 13:12 Trying the old andchat Android app. Just tell me if it's too spammy. 13:15 -!- bouquet3 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:15 -!- bouquet3 has joined #evilhack 13:17 -!- bouquet4 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:18 OMFG bouquet 13:18 :P 13:19 -!- bouquet3 has quit [Client Quit] 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Inf Ith Mal Una), 655 points, T:1253, killed by a gas spore's explosion 13:27 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a steel small shield entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1156 13:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:48420 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 752 points, T:1349, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 14:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 547 points, T:1590, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:08 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #evilhack 15:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:49079 15:11 dishes! \o/ 15:12 @mobileuser NICE!  I was only able to defeat her once... 15:13 dishes are a cruel mistress 15:15 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/JYoqa 15:15 [EvilHack] k21971 b2ef857 - Fix: The Grey-elf resists the death magic, but appears drained! The death ray hits the Grey-elf! 15:18 i did dishes this morning 15:18 K2 \o/ 15:19 WISHES FOR DISHES 15:19 eraserhead97 advanced fire ball works extremely well on the ice queen 15:20 ah - very clever 15:23 ah oops... 15:24 I accidentally hit Ozzie with acid 15:24 time to teleport that chest away and flee 15:24 you can just defeat them again and they'll go tame I think? 15:24 yes 15:24 Ozzie was one of the pet dogs? 15:24 Ozzy, yeah 15:26 variant dev types - is it possible to place a grave and choose the epitaph that appears on it? 15:27 Yeah the problem is Kathryn of course 15:27 she is now angry 15:27 "You kill the pegasus! You murderer!" 15:27 hangry 15:28 OK that is a bit of a surprise! 15:28 she's always asking me for food 15:28 killing pegasus = murder? 15:28 throw her a snickers bar 15:28 yes its peaceful 15:28 lol 15:28 bad mobileuser, bad! 15:28 yeah, lots of monsters are peaceful :-) 15:28 most don't count as murder 15:29 the pegasus is special 15:29 obviously 15:29 TROPHY \o/ 15:29 lol 15:29 evil! 15:30 HECUBUS 15:30 "You finish eating the pegasus corpse." yum 15:30 omg 15:30 i bet pegasus tastes just like chicken 15:30 I think you can specify it in des files K2 15:31 but I might be reading the lex/yacc stuff wrong 15:31 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) wished for "historic very blessed rustproof greased thoroughly extinguished empty +5 dragonhide robe named an elegant mantle (the kind kings wear, not the mickey baseball player kind)", on T:59651 15:31 K2: it looks like the grave thing should be possible 15:31 oh amateurhour beat me to it 15:31 i will try 15:31 thanks 15:31 yuk - MMFs spawning all the time now - maybe time to stop kiting W's 15:32 reason i ask - we're picking up another german shepherd this weekend. since Koa passed away, I thought it would be nice to add her grave with a nice epitaph and then swap her out with the new dog 15:32 3 live dogs might be too much to handle w ice queen 15:33 w/ 15:34 my kingdom for a can of grease 15:35 K2: GRAVE:(x,y),"Grave text" 15:35 just tested, it works 15:35 cool, thanks 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) wished for "thoroughly greased very fixed historic locked very holy very +5 dragonhide t-shirt of decay named i visited vlad and all i got was this silly candleholder", on T:59655 15:37 heh 15:38 new dog's name is 'Bourbon' 15:40 ac -68 15:41 <-- just a sucker for the next wand of cancellation 15:42 nearly 60k turns in and not seen an npc yet 15:43 been to dl35 15:43 they're avoiding you 15:43 ever since that encounter you had with Olaf 15:43 well yeah 15:43 i'm ac -68 15:43 wait olaf, that rings a bell. did i meet an olaf? 15:43 i believe so 15:44 i must have accidentally read that scroll of amnesia 15:44 all these games run together 15:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2199 15:50 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:52 I hate Olaf the Dresser 15:52 olaf's a nice guy. you just have to get to know him 15:52 (2021-03-29) 15:55 ok, I gave up on the mobile IRC client. 15:59 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Client Quit] 16:05 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #evilhack 16:06 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:11 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a leather armor entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:49502 16:15 sigh... 16:19 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 16:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:19 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 16:21 -!- amateurh1ur is now known as amateurhour 16:21 its awesome leather armor :P 16:22 don't look a gift horse in the mouth as they say 16:22 YANI: being gifted a saddled horse from your deity 16:23 saddled ki-rin 16:23 don't look a gift ki-run in the mouth 16:25 in slashem lawfuls can be sent angels as pets when they pray 16:25 it's as busted as it sounds 16:43 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 16:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:46 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 16:49 heh 16:50 'Hi, my name is Frank, i'll be your angel companion today' 16:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 420 points, T:694, killed by a gnome lord 16:51 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:59958 17:03 frank /flexes 17:05 k2: saddle of slow digestion when 17:05 lol wut 17:05 slow d for the steed? 17:06 every time i tame the pegasus a dragon engulfs it 17:06 stay away from dragons 17:06 i try to 17:07 this time i was riding peggy opn the way out of the ice realm and a vampire mage summoned a mob that included a yellow dragon 17:08 it promptly engulfed me thus pulling me off peggy 17:08 i was wearing slow digestion so it spit me out and immediately engulfed the pegasus 17:08 that sounds terrible 17:09 i have never had the pegasus last more than about 1000 turns before it gets swallowed 17:09 * K2 makes all monster MZ_GIGANTIC 17:14 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JYoBj 17:14 [EvilHack] k21971 c067f71 - Improvement to random river generation in the gnomish mines. 17:15 yay 17:15 ^ initial commit was bugging me a bit 17:16 now all is well 17:17 K2: is the splicehack moonstone an evilhack worthy item? 17:18 i've never heard of that. what does it do? 17:18 light source 17:18 You have to fight a bunch of lycanthropes to get it 17:18 huh 17:18 in splice it's too easy to get, though. 17:18 its just a shiny rock? 17:19 ya. Radius is tied to phase of the moon 17:19 yeah in splice isn't it just like halfway across a forest level and pick it up 17:19 oooh tied to phase of the moon. that's clever 17:20 so no other special abilities or powers? 17:20 nope 17:20 not like it needs it 17:20 perm light source = much yay 17:20 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:60392 17:20 that's what I have magic lamps for :B 17:21 I was thinking the minetown captain could carry it. You'd have to commit grievous murder to get it in that case. Or come back with a bigger pet later in the game 17:21 interesting 17:22 I guess you'd be out of luck if you got orctown. 17:22 that's an evil touch. 17:22 sure. no guarantees 17:22 just like ft ludios doesnt always spawn 17:23 I think there is a way to get permanent radius 4 light with it in spl 17:23 it's not an over powerful item so it's not quite ice queen worthy, but should have a penalty for acquiring. 17:23 bouquet: idk people wish for magic lamps 17:23 murder seems appropriately evil. 17:23 yeah a perm light source is kind of a big deal 17:24 true, magic lamps are a wishable thing now 17:24 it's a mediocre deal. I've ascended without a magic lamp more times than with by a large margin. 17:24 and there's gold dragon scales also 17:24 and I usually play humans. 17:24 I mean usually you've used the wish up by then so 17:25 not having to waste effort on spell/scroll/wanding up light installments everywhere is a v. nice convenience that said 17:27 anyway minetown seems a bit early for guaranteed permanent light 17:27 sure you might find an early mag lamp but you're probably going to use it 17:27 should keep pushing interesting content later in the game, not earlier 17:27 slashem etc have magic candles which don't grant wishes but are perm light source 17:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:27 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 17:28 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 17:28 they're also permanent radius 2 so 17:29 radius 3 17:29 one extra over ordinary candles 17:35 aosdict did we discuss at some point last year about making object spawn probability more adjustable? 17:36 something like, instead of rnd(100) its rnd(1000) which would allow much more fine-tuning 17:36 nethack object probabilities are already based on 1/1000 increments 17:36 really 17:36 the problem in vanilla nethack is that they must add up to 1000 17:37 yeah xnethack and evilhack dont have that problem 17:37 so if you want to add a new item with probability then you have to steal it from other stuff and usually you don't steal it evenly 17:37 i think splicehack used your code for that also 17:38 ok so in objects.c if an object has a prob value of 1, that means its 1 in 1000 to spawn? 17:38 i always thought it meant 1 in 100 17:39 if evil has the "just add em all up and divide" implementation, then you could just go and multiply all probabilities for an object class by 10 or whatever then fine-tune as needed 17:39 yeah evilhack has what you did for xnethack 17:41 so start here? - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/mkobj.c#L31 17:42 and i didnt get an answer to my earlier question 17:43 that rnd(100) is for picking object classes 17:44 after that it uses rnd(sum of object probabilities in a class) 17:44 so within an item class feel free to use whatever values you like 17:44 (as long as positive integers that aren't large enough to overflow, lol) 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:61074 17:48 so for examples sake, if there are then 100 different pieces of armor, rnd(sum of object probabilities in a class) is rnd(100) 17:48 ? 17:48 ok. i think dragons should flee if you have dragonbane. make it so 17:48 hothraxxa, nope 17:49 why not? it's DRAGONBANE 17:49 no it's the sum of te oc_prob values 17:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:50 which means 17:50 ... 17:50 ELI5 17:51 you can just set those values to whatever you like, so e.g. value 5 item is 5 times more likely than value 1 17:51 ok i get that 17:51 and you don't need to adjust the value in the rnd call 17:51 so what is the prob for value 1 then? 17:51 1/(total of all oc_prob for that item class) 17:52 and what determines oc_prob for that class 17:52 what is that number? 17:53 it's a value that's per-item in an object class 17:53 it's set in src/objects.c 17:53 ok so lemme see if i have this right 17:53 lets say I have 10 objects in a class 17:54 each object has a prob value of 10 17:54 so that means each object would have a 10 in 100 chance of spawning? 17:54 yeah 17:54 ok 17:54 i get it now 17:54 thanks 17:56 so that means I could bump up the value of just one object in a give class, that would make all other items more rare if left untouched 17:56 *prob value 17:56 *given 17:57 yeah 17:57 ^ sound right? 17:57 ah 17:57 cool cool 17:58 that's how it works in vanilla as well? 17:59 idk, let's ee 17:59 BTW thx K2 for allowing branchport to always work despite bosses, it's great for getting wraiths out of the VotD. very nice. 17:59 \o/ 18:00 nope, vanilla still uses that prob values as prob/1000 18:00 so it has to add up to 1000 I guess in a given obj class 18:00 which sounds annoying 18:00 ok 18:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:11 so in vanilla nethack, I'm looking at helms 18:12 adding up all the probability values together for all the helms, it equals 50 18:12 no single item has a value greater than 10 18:12 oh but helm is part of armor class 18:12 thats not a good example 18:13 lets go to rings, less to do there :) 18:13 or amulets... i dont see prob for rings? 18:14 shall I get my oldest kid? she can count to 100 since she's 3 18:14 if she wants to count up all the prob values for every single piece of armor, go for it 18:15 dont distract me, i'm doing gods work :) 18:16 for rings they're all set to same probability 18:16 yeah amulet probs all equal 1000 18:16 (in evilhack) 18:16 with a comment in that section presumably from xnethack 18:17 yeah 18:17 that was one of my earlier commits 18:17 I don't think you need to check if it is 1000, doesn't the code panic if it doesn't add up? 18:17 yes 18:19 i'm just adding stuff up and looking at things so I have a better understanding of how this shit works 18:19 and i've said this before, math isnt my best subject :) 18:20 addition isn't really advanced math :-p 18:20 advanced is relative 18:20 dont make fun of my caveman brain 18:20 heh 18:21 you only need six hands to count up to 1000 18:21 two hands are already enough if you count in binary 18:22 if you have kids, you dont need any hands 18:22 'Billy, go count to 1000' 18:24 so in a game like xnethack or evilhack, I could take all the probs for a given class, multiply all of them by 10, save one, therby making that object 10x more rare than the others 18:24 neato 18:24 yeah 18:24 you got it 18:24 ok i have achieved enlightenment 18:25 i am ready to ascend 18:25 thanks 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:61625 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law), 5320 points, T:3818, killed by a hobbit, while reading a book 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:61630 18:36 my advice: don't count to 132 on your fingers in binary in front of your boss 18:42 any good candidates for geno beyond alhoon?  (as a wiz) 18:46 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: brb] 18:47 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 18:47 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:61816 18:54 hahah qt 18:54 eraserhead97 flayers 18:54 L 19:03 K2: it wouldn't necessarily be 10x rarer than the others, unless it and all the others had the same probability 19:03 if you have probs of 5 10 15 20, for instance, and you want the 5 to be uber rare, making them 5 100 150 200 doesn't make it 10x rarer than anything 19:05 right 19:06 it depends on the total sum 19:06 it may not exactly 10x but it would definitely then become more rare 19:06 *not be 19:11 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:62454 19:12 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:13 @K2 thx! 19:14 for what? 19:14 the recommendations on geno 19:14 ah 19:14 welcome \o/ 19:57 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 9984 points, T:6784, zombified by a hobbit zombie 20:08 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JYo13 20:08 [EvilHack] k21971 557662d - Adjust wand creation probabilities. 20:11 read as: you will never find a wand of wishing 20:11 :P 20:11 hah 20:12 the comment in that commit puzzles me slightly 20:12 "wands of wishing are 3x less likely to randomly spawn versus all other kinds" 20:13 i took the prob values of everything else and multiplied them by 3 20:13 but the probability changed from 2/1000 approx to 1/3000 20:14 ah yeah 20:14 i should switch that back huh 20:14 no wait 20:14 its fine 20:14 i thought wands of wishing were at 1 already 20:15 they weren't, they were 2 before 20:15 i know 20:15 but this whole time i thought i had made it 1 20:17 the comment should probably say '3 time less likely to randomly spawn than they were before' 20:17 so it's not confusing 20:18 (and really it's 6x) 20:20 i need to put that back to 2 20:22 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/JYoMX 20:22 [EvilHack] k21971 bb6c438 - Adjust wand creation probabilities. 20:22 [EvilHack] k21971 7e570ba - Slight adjust prob values for wands. 20:23 blah 20:23 sometimes --amend pisses me off 20:24 why's that? 20:24 the wording change to the first commit didnt take 20:25 with the commit after its fine I guess 20:25 went from 1/500 to 1/1500 20:25 anyways, it is truly 3x now 20:26 maths 20:26 yay 20:33 is it 1/1500 or 1/1498 20:43 2/3000 = 1/1500 20:48 if you tripled everything else, but didn't change the 2, doesn't it not add up to 3000? 21:11 K2: I do 'git commit -am the_message' instead. 21:11 Ooh, opos, no that's for 'add', not 'amend'. 21:12 For ammend, I often do 'git commit -am --amend the_message', which gets super annoying. 21:12 (It's wrong!) 21:13 that sounds suspiciously like your commit messages are all one-liners 21:20 That was just the example. :) In practice, I usually use multiline messages - in the fish shell, a single quote starts a multiline string. 21:21 But they often do just basically reference the ticket: 'JIRAPROJ-1234 (The thingy is broken and the thangy needs thonging)' 21:44 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:52 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:57 Hmm. Orctown. But looks different. 21:58 Ah; bouquet bones. 22:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1028 points, T:1853, killed by bouquet the giant zombie 22:02 Found the zombie! :D 22:02 Kept trying to throw silver darts at it for ever. But he caught me. 22:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 541 points, T:884, killed by a dwarf 22:06 damn you bouquet zombie 22:06 DAMN YOU 22:09 Thanks. 22:12 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 22:23 Oh dear... Somehow accidentally started writing on the Altar to Ptah with my cloak of magic resistance. 22:24 > A voice (could it be Ptah?) whispers: "Thou shalt pay, infidel!" 22:24 I guess just a luck point change. 22:26 only the finest, freshest, zombie bouquets in the mazes of menace 22:30 You were just getting a spot out 22:30 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3657 points, T:3798, killed by an invisible soldier ant 22:31 don't see what the big deal it 22:31 is* 22:31 Such an infuriating ant. I teleported the damn thing away 4 times. 22:32 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 853 points, T:897, killed by a bolt of lightning 23:08 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:8834 23:36 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 23:37 is there a penalty to bringing my own boulders to sokoban and filling the holes with those? 23:39 Think so 23:39 Not sure 23:40 damn this Pat the Sorcerer on VotD is uber - he's Xp:21 and AC:-30 - I can only damage him for 1 HP.  I think I need cancellation, but I don't have it. 8^P 23:43 yeah in vanilla nothing really has good AC until you see npcs on astral 23:44 in evil you will start seeing them all kitted out like that 23:44 I think it was a mistake to eat W corpses - getting to Xp:23 must've scaled the NPCs - they were easy kills when I was around Xp:15/16 23:45 are you trained on dagger for the magicbane? 23:45 yeah - expert 23:46 it's a staff in evil, but yeah - trained for staff 23:46 should be able to hit? i dunno 23:46 oh yeah it's changed i forgot 23:46 i always play monk. i cast magic missile a lot though. that's why i level up (more damage) 23:46 I tried physical damage using +7 darts and using magic missile - I could only chip him for 1HP every time I checked with stethescope 23:47 he must have some uber gear 23:47 yeah well if he has reflection and mr magic missile isn't going to help 23:47 it's like something doing it to you... 23:47 yeah - you're right - I gotta do more physical damage or cancel him or something... 23:47 they are great to get gear off of 23:47 usually you have all your armor and stuff by that point 23:48 but for scrolls/potions/spellbooks to polypile or whatever 23:48 I left him on VotD for the moment, but it looks like there's another NPC at castle (another wiz) - gonna check him out 23:49 they they can be a bitch on the run up with the amulet, but they are also a good source of death wands! even if they wear the thing out trying to kill you, you can get one blessed charge 23:50 teleport wands etc. too 23:50 Warwick the Sorcerer (peaceful) Level 24, HP130, AC -28 23:50 but yeah sometimes i kill them anyway... lol but they probably have reflection etc. too 23:50 I tried to polymorph Pat earlier, but obviously didn't work (MR). 23:51 if I go after peaceful Warwick, I'll lose my divine AC from priests? 23:51 nah 23:52 only a temporary alignment hit? 23:52 as far as i know that's only if you kill your own priest, or pray when you shouldn't etc. 23:52 kk - I should go after Warwick, then - thx 23:52 if warwick is the temple priest of your alignment, then no. But he sounds like a regular ol' chap 23:52 nope - just NPC at castle 23:53 ooh - I cancelled him with Magicbane HP 110(130) 23:53 yeah i think you GAIN the PW when that happens? 23:54 I think you might be right - I'll pay attention now 23:54 Forgot MBane could cancel huh? 23:54 Also yes you do 23:55 wtf - he's up to 130(130) again - gonna b a long fight 23:55 yeah he can be wearing lifesaving, will drink healing, teleport, DIG, etc. 23:55 can be a pain in the ass if you wish for an artifact the "owner" comes 23:56 Warwick ded 23:57 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:13901 23:58 l00ted Warwick for a WoD (0:0)