00:00 please add the verb 'yoink' to xnethack 00:02 oooh my dungeon features/branch quests section on the pad is getting smaller 00:02 wooop 00:03 not going to attempt druid role until fater junethack this year 00:03 *after 00:04 Oh yeah, I should see what new stuff's been added to the pad. 00:05 Wish comparing changes was a bit more intuitive, but whatever. 00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:3672 00:34 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JYuYq 00:34 [EvilHack] k21971 2314cd9 - Fix: mon 457 doesn't like any materials for obj 269. 00:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6706 points, T:4389, killed by a gnome mummy, while frozen by a potion 00:45 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JYusq 00:45 [EvilHack] k21971 0bdeaea - Fix: incorrect MC calculation. 00:46 ugh its late. gnite 00:47 Night 02:11 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 02:16 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:09 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:43 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 04:52 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 04:54 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:59 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 05:30 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a magical bone-carved staff entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:44364 05:54 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 05:57 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:56 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 06:58 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:14 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 07:17 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 184 points, T:393, zombified by a kobold zombie 08:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 691 points, T:1735, killed by a dwarf 09:04 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 10176 points, T:3956, killed by a chameleon 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 24 points, T:74, killed by a jackal 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6202 09:51 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L78 09:51 ^ mobileuser 09:52 on the TO-DO 09:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1015 points, T:1644, suffocated by a water elemental 09:55 it shouldn't be too tricky to do I think 09:56 \o/ 09:57 K2 did you find an explanation yet for the first artifact gift being unaligned? 09:57 no 09:57 amateurhour i hope you're right 09:57 maths isnt my strong suit :) 09:58 http://cafehayek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/miracle_cartoon.jpg 10:01 to be clear, loss of see invisible from a magic trap can only be permanently restored by a magic trap is that right? 10:01 as far as i know 10:02 si 10:02 (it blows) 10:02 yeah 10:05 so many wraith corpses in the valley i'm xl29 now. i fear that eating them was probably not the best idea 10:05 eg an eldritch ki-rin just spawned 10:05 why is that? 10:05 oh i see 10:06 tame it ! 10:06 are those the ones you can't tame? 10:06 not sure. i have no taming anyway 10:06 i feel like i tamed one . i know the elder minotaurs you can't 10:07 I had an elder minotaur pet once but can't remember how I got it 10:07 poly 10:07 it was either polying a pet or standing on magic trap 10:07 probs the first then 10:12 "You see here a steel short sword named Fire Brand." Nice! 10:14 two-weaponing time? 10:15 oh wizard, forgot 10:19 You sit down. You feel an odd sensation. Your eyes tingle for a brief moment. 10:19 \o/ 10:23 only a brief moment 10:23 just a smidge of tie 10:23 time 10:26 fire brand is pretty good groundscore 10:27 with the precharged wand of wishing i still get a wrest right ? 10:30 i still don't know how many wishes i have. i want to wish for that free action artifact ring but my ac sucks 10:32 yes, wrest should work as usual 10:33 you gotta bless it for best chance of it giving a wish 10:33 iirc 10:33 yes, it takes less zaps when blessed 10:33 oh good to know. thanks ! 10:36 does that actually affect the number of wishes or just alleviate tedium 10:36 I thought the wand got destroyed if it failed after one attempt 10:37 is this old news 10:38 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9f53846407fc5d9169e791053489893842e879b7 10:52 that's news to me. is that 0.7? 10:52 I like the evilhack changelog. on the one hand it contains such trivialities as "copyright info changed for 2021", on the other hand important stuff like your wand dissolving after one wrest zap no matter what is hidden behind "wand wresting change" 10:54 also, poor mon 457! Suffering from obj 269. 10:54 :P 10:57 must be 0.7 10:58 * amateurhour says this without even checking 10:58 if it was in 0.6 you'd have already noticed :P 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:52122 11:07 from unnethack, which has nerfed wishing so much that not geting a successful wrest from a wow is inconsequential 11:08 also iirc every wow i've had in unnethack has given me a wresting wish since i always bless them 11:08 but unnethack wishing, not really worth it 11:09 this is of course not true for evilhack, so this is a much more significant nerf 11:10 inconsequential? wresting has been changed to be less grindy but not guaranteed to be successful. overall you're getting more wishes than before 11:11 that's not the issue. the problem is that there's not much to wish for 11:11 crystal pick and... nothing really 11:12 O_o that's a new first complaint I hear about wishing in unnethack 11:12 not really a complaint. from a wand i can still wish for magical items, but i have not found a need to do so 11:13 i also like eliminating the wresting grind 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:52134 11:17 hot take, wishes are far too powerful for it to be a coin toss/dice roll whether or not you get them 11:18 you mean like rubbing magic lamps? 11:18 if you get 1 extra wish, 2 extra wishes, 0 extra wishes on top of whichever are guaranteed 11:19 i think that if you find a random wow and use it, that's cheating 11:19 hoe can you compare wins when somebody got extra wishes? 11:19 that was the idea to reduce the number of wishes to begin with 11:20 xnethack removes random wow 11:20 playing variants that nerf wishes simply trains you to play without wishes 11:20 but wishes also reduce grind. if you just need one or two more things to ascend, a wow will save you a lot of time 11:20 yes it's totally not fair that one game should get double the wishes another game gets due to either randomness or grinding 11:21 that's serial ascender talk. some people couldn't ascend if you toss them 10 wows 11:21 aosdict: just pointing out the futility of trying to define a line for "cheating" 11:21 wishes aren't cheating 11:21 yes they are! 11:21 if you get too many 11:21 you're dragging yesterday's discussion into this 11:21 i am? 11:21 yes, i am! 11:22 wishes are *unbalanced* in vanilla, but no one except you is claiming they're a form of cheating 11:22 thing is, most variants have enough headroom that you don't need wishes, or magic markers either 11:23 actually my point is that you can't define conditions for comparison of ascensions 11:23 this discussion wasn't about comparing ascensions 11:24 it was about wishes and nerfs thereof 11:24 comparing ascensions and cheating was yesterday 11:24 how are we going to have a discourse if everyone can't stick to the agenda?! 11:24 :P 11:25 agendas are for wusses 11:26 anyway bhaak is right about serial ascenders 11:31 in a lot of variants going wishless is straightforward for sure 11:32 I argue that if going wishless is hard that indicates the game is far too dependent on wishes 11:32 for example slashem/slashthem/dnh throw a lot of loot your way, some with things like guaranteed markers 11:32 not that wishless needs to be trivial or anything, though 11:34 and like, is going vegan hard? zen? sure, that indicates the game is very dependent on eating corpses and seeing things. but that's fine, compared to the mechanic involving getting the perfect items you want 11:35 dnh removes wands of wishing, replaces the castle wand with a ring of wishes (max 3 charges, when worn counts as lifesaving) but adds more single wish sources 11:35 including a guaranteed magic lamp 11:35 YANI: replace wands of wishing with scrolls of wishing 11:36 YASI: if you try write scroll of wishing you instead get scroll of washing, which water damages your invent 11:43 my objection to scrolls of wishing is that people will want blessed wishing to be a "better" wish than uncursed 11:44 then you go through a whole song and dance of how do we buff wishes even more / how do we nerf uncursed wishes which just ensures everyone is going to have to bless their scrolls 11:56 i picked up a scroll of wishing in fourk, took one step and a magic trap tower of flame burned it up 11:57 wait so wresting has changed in .7? 11:57 * hothraxxa backscrolls rebatela 12:13 oh i don't like that change 12:14 thanks bhaak... 12:14 (j/k) 12:15 wishing is not cheating. helm of opposite alignment is cheating 12:15 hothraxxa: Ouch. 12:15 elbereth is cheating 12:16 AC is cheating. 12:16 Using tools is cheating. 12:16 Killing monsters is cheating. 12:16 well, wishing definitely isn't 12:16 Having pets is cheating. 12:16 I mean, wishing is an intended mechanic. 12:16 Same as polymorph. 12:17 wishing and polypiling are my two favorite things 12:17 It's not a bug exploit. 12:17 Although it's possible there may be bug exploits related to either or both. 12:18 Whether it's a *balanced* mechanic is another issue. Clearly there are balance issues _related_ to these mechanics. Whether the mechanics are _inherently_ unbalancing, or just need some balance tweaks, is open for discussion, as is the question of exactly how finely balanced NetHack really wants to be. 12:19 hopefully a blessed wand wrests succesfully every time? I'd be fine with that... 12:23 rebatela: "Gray dragon scale mail and red magic markers / Line up my unihorns and figurines of barkers / Wishing and polypiling, we'll live like kings / These are a few of my favorite things..." 12:30 heh 12:55 very nice! haha 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:53074 13:09 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 13:13 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:13 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28 rebatela: you don't need to thank me :) 13:32 Whether it's a *balanced* mechanic is another issue. 13:32 that opens up another whole topic: balance 13:32 what *is* balance? well it's whatever feels right to the developer 13:33 devs can be convinced by their player base on certain things 13:33 so amy's idea of balance is way out of whack with, well, anyone else 13:33 its not just the dev, but the community (if it exists) as a whole 13:33 amy is an outlier on several different levels 13:33 using Amy as an example is almost like invoking Godwin's law 13:33 however in her defense, every so often she comes up with something good 13:34 just as the rest of us come up with bad ideas every so often 13:34 she has a very opinionated style. but contrary to most nethack devs, she's actually playing the game 13:34 i am a staunch defender of the devleoper's right to do whatever s/he wants, so amy's ideas are fine with me. i just refuse to play her game 13:34 yup 13:35 that right there 13:35 do what you want, just dont expect everyone to play it 13:36 anyway, balance is an elusive concept and it's hard to reach consensus on it 13:37 agreed 13:37 the latest entries to the pad for evilhack have to do with balnce things 13:37 i want to knock a few of those out before release 13:38 meaning *your* sense of balance, possibly as informed by player input 13:38 yup 13:38 wouldn't want to make evilhack the easy variant amirite? 13:38 i'll do what i think is right, based on player feedback. i dont aim to or every try to please everyone 13:39 only a fool would try 13:39 *even 13:39 side note/fun fact - 370-hdf has now surpassed the number of 363-hdf games played in total 13:40 brb 13:40 yeah bhaak: 370 when 13:44 it will never come 13:45 the number of nethack versions is tied to the number of days in a year, and 366 is the maximum possible 13:45 anything higher would be invalid 13:47 haha posted in wrong channel like a dingus 13:47 they've gotta figure out how to rotate 2a 45 degrees before it can be release 14:00 lol 14:00 sokoban, now in 4 dimensions! 14:00 they skipped 3 14:00 went to 4 14:05 yes, let's rotate sokoban 180 degrees... in the fourth dimension 14:06 you pull boulders out of holes and put them in their original positions 14:07 sokoban on a moebius strip 14:07 YANI: Sokoban on a Moebius strip 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 12089 points, T:7074, killed by a giant mimic 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a dagger entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5663 14:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a mace entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:1296 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 13626 points, T:5752, petrified by touching a chickatrice corpse bare-handed 14:39 ouch 14:39 incubus victim? 14:53 that'd be "losing gloves while wielding a chickatrice corpse" 14:54 actually it's fumbling on the floor while blind without gloves right after you kill a chickatrice 14:54 which tbh is epic 14:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a bronze spellbook given to her by Hermes, on T:5359 15:20 -!- qt is now known as qt_ 15:22 -!- qt_ is now known as qt 15:26 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/JYakC 15:26 [EvilHack] k21971 2f2fac0 - Exclude fumble boots/gauntlets and dunce cap from regular item sacrifice gift selection. 15:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 6564 points, T:10127, killed by invisible Mr. Gweebarra; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 15:31 \o/ 15:33 someone noticed lol 15:36 I was cheering on gweebarra 15:36 :P 15:37 :( 15:42 wait did you ban qt 15:42 from here 15:42 oh no they're still here 15:43 omg 15:44 the qt thing is totally a joke 15:44 ha ha yes 15:44 just kidding 15:44 ...unless? 15:44 /kickban qt^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthe qt thing is totally a joke 15:45 :D 15:45 rofl 15:46 we need a distraction! quick let's talk about how if we fuse dnethack and evilhack together we'll have devilhack! 15:46 ;o 15:46 thats actually a genius idea 15:46 is there anyone among us who needs a nethack variant idea 15:46 to run with 15:46 cuz if so steal aosdict's 15:46 i doubt he has time to do it 15:47 omg imagine how rough gehennom would be 15:49 for a whole variant? 15:49 demonhack for playing as a demon 15:50 demonhack would be the fusion of a as yet nonexistent monhack (a pokemon focused variant) with dnethack and evilhack 16:19 ok so how's this for gnomish mines rivers: 16:19 first mines level, there's a 50/50 chance for a river 16:20 as you go deeper into the dungeon, the chance increases, but its never 100% 16:20 so 2nd mines level, its 66% chance, third mines level, 75%, and so on 16:20 what problem is trying to be solved here 16:21 its not a problem per se 16:21 its not having rivers on every single mines level, all of the time 16:21 let it be known, aosdict is not in favor of this and wants rivers all the time in the mines 16:22 :P 16:22 geez you clearly have never heard of the socratic method 16:22 socrates? (pronouncing it like they do in bill and teds excellent adventure) 16:23 i just figured an element of randomness would be refreshing 16:23 plus odds are even the first mines level wont be flooded 16:23 wanted to make sure it wasn't being painted as the solution to all the mines river problems. so fine, it's not 16:23 no not at all 16:23 what problems? :) 16:25 are you complaining about me trying to make the mines a bit more forgiving and random? 16:25 hmmmm? 16:25 HMMMM 16:25 lol 16:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:43737 16:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43738 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:53962 16:47 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Gia Fem Neu), 51 points, T:230, killed by a sewer rat 17:02 bit weird how Medusa is able to gaze at me on the other side of a wall... 17:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:44508 17:04 mobileuser: eyes of the overworld? 17:07 no, just ESP 17:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:3289 17:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2286 points, T:4076, killed by a straw golem 17:09 @|@ 17:09 .-^ 17:09 .-- 17:09 I don't know if the open door makes a difference 17:10 shouldn't 17:11 I thought that was a really weird complicated emoticon 17:11 YASI: Medusa also registers on telepathy as having a bunch of snakes around her because the snakes have brains too 17:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 369 points, T:1243, killed by a hobbit 17:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 43 points, T:161, killed by a bear trap 17:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 919 points, T:2289, killed by a dwarf 17:16 Yeah, it probably doesn't show as non-proportional here :-) 17:17 added to the pad 17:17 damn you mobileuser 17:17 lol 17:17 DAMN YOU 17:17 EVIL 17:17 DIRGE 17:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rADdKqPNdaM 17:18 \o/ 17:18 ... CARL 17:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Orc Fem Una) had a heavy war hammer entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:2909 17:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Orc Fem Una), 1972 points, T:3750, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOE7qTAK87o 17:23 mr flibble is very cross 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Camaxtli, on T:54538 17:30 well 17:30 was not expecting that 17:30 heh 17:30 \o/ 17:31 glad i've saved my wow 17:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Mal Una), 2351 points, T:2647, killed by an ape 17:31 no GoP then? ;-) 17:32 that's the rub 17:32 the carrying capacity is trivial but the damage output drop is significant 17:33 esp since i have to switch to demonbane a lot 17:36 so a fucking gargoyle stands on my stash and zaps a wand of digging :( 17:36 oof! 17:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2513 points, T:2041, poisoned by a dwarf zombie 17:37 i guess i'll push a boulder over it and dig it out 17:37 i hope 17:37 ? 17:38 should work 17:38 it didn't fall to the next floor? 17:38 well i don't want stuff falling down the hole 17:38 ah it didn't fall 17:38 i don't think so 17:38 you don't have flying? 17:38 d'oh 17:41 not sure what the best thing to do is 17:44 now my stash is in a pit :( 17:45 that's the pits :( 17:45 oh wait. dragonbane means i can wear flying permanently! thanks camaxtli! 17:45 if i'm wearing flying it's a non-issue 17:45 yeah, reflection sorted 17:46 is flying different in unnethack? 17:46 no 17:46 wiki seems to suggest you can't pick up stuff in pits 17:47 "Of its effects, the only one which is negative is being unable to reach items in pits." 17:47 but it doesn't say which variant that applies to 17:48 why can't you pick things up from pits if you can fly into them? 17:48 in evilhack you can 17:48 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Amulet_of_flying 17:48 so that puzzled me 17:49 maybe it's a slash'em thing 17:49 yep, its odd. 17:50 I think, that was a 3.4.3 and before limitation 17:51 Ah, so that wiki page isn't up-to-date then? 17:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1304 points, T:2474, killed by a killer bee 17:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had a pair of low boots entrusted to her by Set, on T:4614 17:52 i think the no flying into pits to pickup objects is a 3.7ism 17:54 no, you can pick up things from pits when flying 17:54 in 3.7 17:55 well then... no problem then 17:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had a javelin entrusted to her by Set, on T:6284 17:59 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:07 thx for clearing that up! 18:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8342 18:11 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a leather studded armor entrusted to her by Odin, on T:2448 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 706 points, T:2454, killed by a giant bat, while praying 18:17 surprised aosdict was the only one to comment on both the latest commit and the mines river proposal 18:17 huh :) 18:18 Well I just now heard of both so 18:19 K2 we don't all constantly watch this channel for new updates from Not 18:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:11343 18:19 yes we do 18:19 its what I live for! 18:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) stole 75 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Annootok's general store, on T:11715 18:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:13008 18:31 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 18:32 -!- Umby has joined #evilhack 18:33 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest24677 18:33 -!- Umby is now known as Umbire 18:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 37244 points, T:14027, killed by a death ray 18:33 -!- Guest24677 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had an elven spear entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:1209 18:36 -!- Umbire_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a small shield entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:6448 18:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 4789 points, T:8841, killed by a gnomish wizard 19:02 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 19:06 hmm 19:06 got a small issue could use a nudge in right direct 19:06 direction 19:07 In_mines() <--- not sure how to use this to determine the actual mines level i'm on 19:08 In_mines(&u.uz) always returns 1, i get that 19:08 but how to output the actual mines level i'm on, is it mines level 3, or 4 or whatever 19:11 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) had a knife entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:4898 19:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4905 19:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) had a copper knife entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:5534 19:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 8258 points, T:6677, killed by an elven king 19:25 that'll be something with dungeons[] 19:27 it might just be u.uz.dlevel 19:28 thanks 19:28 yeah I think that's it 19:28 I dunno how you pass that to the special level compiler though 19:28 or are rivers not done in that 19:29 i'll need to look again 19:45 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:02 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:03 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 20:06 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:56346 20:13 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:42 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44 got it sorted, just using depth(&u.uz), it actually does what I had in mind 20:48 depth is what shows on Dlvl: in the status line 20:48 u.uz.dlevel is level within the current branch 20:49 In_mines(u.uz.dlevel) doesnt work 20:49 well no it doesn't 20:49 nor putting & in front of it 20:49 In_mines needs a d_level struct 20:50 right 20:50 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:50 and i'm not going to waste hours trying to figure it out 20:50 there are two inputs here: the boolean "am I in mines" which you already had, and the integer level within the Mines 20:50 those should be separate 20:51 i dont know how to express u.uz.dlevel as a d_level struct 20:52 unless someone shows me exactly what to do there, i'll commit what I have 20:52 so you'd have if (In_mines(&u.uz) && rn2(something with u.uz.dlevel math) { /* river stuff goes here I guess */ } 20:52 huh 20:52 i thought it had to go inside In_mines() 20:52 I thought what you wanted was e.g. "first level of mines has a 1/2 chance for rivers, then a 2/3, etc" 20:53 i do 20:53 what i came up with using depth(&u.uz) was next best thing, but i'd prefer to dial it in exactly 20:54 yeah you're not cramming anything except &u.uz into In_mines. all you get out of In_mines is whether or not you are in the mines. 20:55 I'm not familiar with the code here; _is_ the river generation called from within C, or from within the des file? 20:55 in mkmap.c 20:55 ah I found it in mkmap.c 20:56 what I currently have is this: 20:56 m = depth(&u.uz) - 1; 20:56 if (In_mines(&u.uz) && !In_hell(&u.uz)) { 20:56 if (!(Is_minetn_level(&u.uz))) { 20:56 if (rn2(m)) 20:56