02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:32683 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32689 02:54 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:02 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:30 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:42 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:47 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:48 -!- Tangles has joined #evilhack 03:58 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34800 04:13 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 04:13 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (rothfuss.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 04:13 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 04:20 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a magical darkwood staff entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:35703 05:05 EPI: Every time you hit a non-tame monster, it'll require an _additional_ taming attempt to tame it. 05:05 Example: You wack a large cat twice, then decide that you might as well tame it, you'll now need to throw *three* items of food. (Eg, three fortune cookies) 05:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:22 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 12970 points, T:4943, killed by a giant cockroach 05:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 788 points, T:726, killed by a wand 05:51 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 1663 points, T:2758, killed by an Aleax of Shan Lai Ching 06:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had a cloth studded armor entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:917 06:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu) destroyed eraserhead97 the giant zombie, and former Kunoichi, on T:2122 06:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:4256 06:42 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 06:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 3602 points, T:4854, killed by withering away, while praying 06:46 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 5501 points, T:3073, killed by a watchman 06:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law), 634 points, T:1482, killed by a gas cloud 07:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Orc Mal Cha), 1061 points, T:3371, killed by a soldier ant 07:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible microlance's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:2961 07:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 bone orcish arrows on an altar, on T:3358 07:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 2117 points, T:3384, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 07:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3381 07:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 13 crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:4609 07:45 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:49 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 336 points, T:677, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:50 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:50 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 07:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 10624 points, T:7455, killed by a dwarf lord, while sleeping 07:54 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 40 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of earth 07:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 508 points, T:1240, killed by an invisible water demon 08:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 silver tsurugi of venom", on T:12 08:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an ice vortex, on T:3714 08:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law), 1443 points, T:3888, killed by a giant ant 08:12 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 08:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 173 points, T:984, killed by a balrog 08:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:30433 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 08:45 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 08:48 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:34 K2 did you ask paxed about the training thing btw? 09:34 yes 09:34 <@paxed> K2: you might want to email the team, or submit a pull request - i don't feel up to doing anything much atm. 09:34 fair enough 09:35 did you email the team? :P 09:35 in vanilla its still an issue of course, just much less of one 09:35 no i havent 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5319 09:49 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:51 dear RNGeezus, please let me get quest.txt edits done today. kthxbye 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 9593 points, T:6202, killed by a tapered wooden stake 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 7056 points, T:6539, killed by a death ray 11:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3124 points, T:4215, poisoned by a water moccasin 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 878 points, T:1215, killed by a gnome lady, while sleeping 13:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a spellbook of dig given to him by Thoth, on T:32086 13:16 magicbane?? magicbane?? nooooo.... 13:16 dig it 13:17 I would really like to have improved chances of guaranteed first artifact gift in evilhack ;-) 13:17 ok 13:17 i had not much trouble this time but i'm a higher level than usual 13:18 too many wraiths on the priest quest 13:18 yeah, priest... 13:18 i mean, dead wraith, too yummy to resist amirite? 13:18 absolutely 13:19 you choke! DYWYPI? 13:19 nah i'm a hobbit. nearly impossible to choke 13:19 ah, a fellow hobbit! 13:19 eat away 13:19 yes. i eyed that hobbit wiz but i've done 4 evilhack wizards, so 13:20 Some time ago I splatted a hobbit wiz in the sanctum, this is the second try 13:20 anyway i always level my wizards up as fast as i can, so i'd just wait until i reached xl21 or so 13:21 wizard wants magicbane NOW :-( 13:21 magicbane... the staff 13:21 it takes some time for a hobbit to get effective at magic 13:22 it's still better than slex's chances and you're getting some decent stuff out of it 13:22 you need the helm of brilliance 13:22 ssssh..... 13:22 :P 13:22 helm of brilliance, ring of slow digestion. my hobbit is getting there. 13:23 dragonhide gauntlets of power 13:23 I went with dragonbane 13:23 I want my golden DSM 13:23 huh I thought gop had to be metal for some reason 13:23 oh good point 13:23 well carrying capacity difference is only 100 but the damage difference is significant 13:23 Base material. 13:24 no such thing as dragonhide gauntlets of power 13:24 amateurhour: i thought so too but no problem in wizmode. i should try explore mode 13:24 I suppose they can be bone 13:25 yes that was my usual material 13:25 I could be wrong but I think even with a non-metal material they still reduce spellcasting chance 13:25 usually wizmode will warn you if the combination is illegal 13:26 amateurhour: i don't remember that being the case but it's been a while 13:29 you're probably right, can't see it in the code 13:31 bone or stone GoP is a popular choice 13:31 ^ wont hinder spellcasting 13:31 stone is heavy but adds 1 extra point of AC and its already fooproof 13:32 "bone or stone" sounds like a gameshow where you get to open a door that conceals either a foocubus or a cockatrice 13:32 lol 13:34 the Monty Hall problem is old news, I'm all about the Monst.c Hall problem now 13:35 oh my 13:35 qt is on fire today 13:36 :P 13:36 Any advice for (permanently?) ditching peaceful demon lords? I summoned Juiblex and Yeenoghu and now they're following me around like puppies. If I don't find a way to back them off, I'll no doubt accidentally anger them and that will be that. 13:37 I don't normally get involved with same-race sacrifice but circumstances on this run were too well aligned to let the opportunity pass. 13:37 branchport to sokoban and leave them there 13:37 or if branchporting isnt an option, walk there 13:37 why sokoban k2? 13:37 that's what elenmirie would always do 13:38 that's what I do too 13:38 Hmm ok I think that will work. I was on my way to Sokoban to reverse geno in some tengu, and I suppose I can leave these two clowns on another level. No branchporting, so a careful walk it will be.... 13:38 thx K2 13:38 np 13:38 is it just because you won't have to go back there, so you don't have to worry about them following you again on the ascension run? 13:38 yup 13:38 That is one of my main concerns... 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:2673 13:44 Also interesting and new to me... "Demonic forces prevent you from teleporting." This is at least temporarily useful for controlling teleportitis. Is it because one or the other of them is adjacent? 13:47 yes 13:48 no teleport when a demon lord/prince is on the level 13:51 Good to know. I always assumed the no-teleport property was tied to the level as opposed to the demon! 13:52 it being tied to the demon lord's presence is a new 3.7 thing 13:53 or maybe 3.6, idk when it was introduced exactly 13:54 removing a helm of opposite alignment switches alignment back? That's cool. 13:54 seems decidedly non-evil, though 13:55 isn't that how it works in vanilla bouquet? 13:55 qt: i think the no-teleport when present thing is just evilhack 13:55 the change in vanilla is that you can teleport after the demon lord is dead/gone 14:00 on a notele level yeah 14:00 its a different method in vanilla 14:01 I don't really understand what the difference is between the two 14:01 I thought it was permanent. Though, I've only ever used it 1 turn before offering the amulet in astral 14:02 no its not perm 14:02 so the demon boss levels are noteleport in that you cant tele across the map 14:02 the bit i added in evilhack, you cant level tele/branchport/cursed !oGL when a demon boss is present on that level 14:03 once you kill them, good to go 14:03 did I suppress branchporting? 14:03 i cant remember 14:04 Their presence on any level is suppressing my teleportitis. Haven't tried level/branch porting or c!oGL. 14:04 yup 14:04 but in vanilla demon lords still suppress within-level teleports when present on a level right? 14:05 well, it looks like it is limited to gehennom only, so summoning one from a sacrifice wouldn't do it 14:05 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/teleport.c#L20-L24 14:05 branchporting is NOT suppressed 14:05 quest artifact magic > demon boss 14:13 So I'm currently on a downstair along with a boulder, 6 boulders, and a cursed BoH. I want to step off the stair, cancel the bag and pickaxe the boulders, and retrieve the bag. But will Juiblex (or, less likely(?), Yeenoghu) take my place on the stair and grab/loot the bag? 14:15 I'd bet on it. Can you leave a boulder on the stair? 14:16 looks like there's boulders on the stair already. They'll head for upstairs if they need to heal, though. 14:17 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:50000 14:19 Yep, the boulders will stay if I step off, but I don't think they'll stop Juiblex... 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:36938 14:19 no they wont 14:20 peacefuls dont grab stuff right? 14:20 I don't think they're interested in your inventory while peaceful, yeah. 14:20 its just hostiles that like to go through your shit 14:21 ... hmm. Didn't realize that! Although I have seen them around some gear and I don't remember them grabbing any of it... 14:21 Maybe a test to be sure. 14:23 the boss will come with you if you're next to them though! (like if you eye out ) 14:23 master kaen just kills you in sokoban instead 14:24 test? 14:24 weird i don't understand how the nickserv identify thing works. you guys are just ignoring me. it's fine :( 14:25 we can see your messages 14:25 thanks :) 14:25 first one we saw was 'the boss will...' etc 14:26 i've brought demo back to soko too 14:26 i think you can drop scare monster scroll in vanilla if you do that (maybe not now?) 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:50019 14:27 oh wow 50k turns to do that 14:27 just found the scroll? 14:27 one of those fucks is too many 14:27 no i've had it forever 14:27 i agree 14:27 there'll only be up to 2 of them in vecna branch 14:28 i haven't entered gehennom yet. this will be a high turn count game 14:28 that's how i tend to play evil 14:29 i play realtime "fast" but take a ton of turns 14:29 actually evil slowed me down on the realtime thing too. gotta be careful with the gelatinous cubes. I hate those things 14:30 only Tariru has a faster time 14:30 Ha me too, and certainly in this case... 40k turns and yet to clear Medusa's Island... 14:30 i've been engulfed by them showing up suddenly 14:30 ugh me too 14:30 if i had known that was the situation with tariru i probably could have beaten that time, but I will go smoke a cig, go to the bathroom, etc. without saving 14:30 can't cast knock to escape either, which is a pissoff 14:30 not anymore but in that game i defintiely probably wasted an hour 14:31 tariru's time was on an earlier version, I wonder if it was easier 14:31 tariru is amazing though... that's likke next level shit 14:31 it was definitely easier 14:31 yeah it's only gotten harder lol 14:32 right, every new release has made it more difficult 14:32 i overprepare for the end game 14:33 even in vanilla i would. i could never do the dig for victory style 14:33 oh ffs. distracted talking about this and now The sea dragon engulfs you! Your magic lamp goes out! It's impossible to breathe in here! 14:34 here i am with an amulet of magical breathing in open inventory 14:34 oh no 14:34 but you have to take something off and put it on two turns 14:34 RIP 14:35 i hate those things too lol 14:35 eh? i do have a wand of digging you know 14:35 nice 14:35 :) 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2297 points, T:2546, poisoned by a giant mosquito, while praying 14:36 sea dragons aren't much of a problem. the scary ones are gelcubes when you don't have free action 14:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 273 points, T:1632, died of starvation, while fainted 14:38 yeah. by the time you see sea dragons you have digging wand. gel cubes it's like instadeath with no free action 14:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Arc Hob Mal Neu), 519 points, T:1313, killed by a wererat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1163 points, T:1373, killed by a gnome lord 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (humans), on T:1 15:10 ^^ does this person actually scum for something or they really just do it for the death? 15:11 i start scum too. game is hard enough 15:11 sometimes they do a decent length game but I think they just enjoy the thrill of the splat 15:15 castle wand chest is crystal yet again 15:15 AND the wand is cursed 15:17 knight and monk done 15:17 had to dig up an old english translator for knight heh 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] SurferOfButthole (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1493 points, T:1890, killed by a dwarf 15:18 cursed wand is BS 15:18 never seen that 15:18 do the wishes backfire? 15:18 it can happen 15:18 using cursed wand of wishing is bad 15:18 you wont get what you wished for sometimes 15:18 bad luck is bad too 15:18 or is it just the luck 15:18 i dunno i never use cursed wands of wishing 15:18 i've seen the castle wand cursed before 15:19 and yes it is indeed bullshit 15:19 i'm not sure it was evilhack though 15:20 p - an uncursed wand of wishing (0:3) (7 aum). 15:20 there. all better 15:21 castle wand can appear cursed in vanilla 15:21 you just never know 15:21 yeah i don't think it was evilhack 15:22 you can escape sea dragons with a digging wand? I thought they were more like gelcubes. 15:22 you can escape gelcubes with a digging wand 15:22 i didn't know that and died to a sea dragon with the amulet i think 15:23 you can escape gelcubes with a digging wand? :O 15:23 I never knew 15:23 well i can, don't know about you 15:23 i found a WoW in soko in my current game. i think that's only happened once before in evil 15:23 not sure how many wishes yet i just wished for speed boots 15:23 lol hothraxxa 15:24 i've had two or possibly three random wishing wands in evil 15:24 hah! just don't wish for charging 15:24 i did the first time 15:24 also bless it before wresting 15:24 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 15:25 how hard is the barbarian quest leader? have you guys wished for ring of phul or wahtedver it's called (i should probably figure that out before i wish) 15:27 arahael has had bad experiences, they can hit hard 15:28 yeah that's why i waited 15:28 such a cool artifact though 15:28 one of the very best 15:28 i've had it before but it was before the whole owner thing 15:28 if your luck is high you might not get the owner 15:28 oh is that how it works? 15:29 I thought it was always 50-50? 15:29 pelias is normally not tough at all but i would expect him to be a bit tougher when he shows up with the ring 15:29 learning a lot today 15:29 i thought it was luck based 15:29 ask k2, i could be wrong 15:29 right, looking it up ;-) 15:30 "The odds of getting the owner with your very first artifact wish if no other artifacts yet exist, is about 50/50. Any subsequent artifact wishes greatly increase the odds of getting the owner with the artifact. " 15:30 its based on how many artifacts already exist 15:30 yeah 15:31 shows what i know. i've only made a couple of artifact wishes ever 15:32 maybe 3 15:32 yeah i have no shame about quest artifact wishing 15:32 usually there are too many artifacts already in my game 15:32 i know when i wished for dragonbane i wound up chasing some asshole all over the dungeon 15:32 but i think using the helm of opposite alignment is cheating 15:33 and i think not ;-) 15:33 i need to say that in the other channel. it gets luxi all worked up 15:33 it's not cheating 15:33 it's dishonorable 15:33 ascend, sure... in dishonor 15:33 it's escaping 15:33 let me clarify. for luxi it is not cheating. for you it is cheating 15:33 exactly 15:33 it's applying the rules of the game 15:34 playing by the rules is not cheating imo 15:34 cheating in nethack is a matter of your conscience. otherwise if you can do it, it's not cheating 15:34 crashing games to farm wishes isn't cheating 15:35 lol 15:35 cheating is just the wrong word to apply here 15:35 devalue? 15:35 amateurhour: it isn't if you don't feel that it is 15:35 my sense of morals is time-based 15:35 but like you are playing all these thousands of turns for one god and then at the very end of the game you switch alignments to ascend on the wrong altar? pffffft that's escaping 15:35 if it's june then crashing the game to farm wishes is legit and epic 15:35 it's a fucking solitaire, people. deal with it 15:36 hahah 15:36 hehe i agree hothraxxa 15:36 it ruffles feathers though. and it is why i dont' care about artifact wishing 15:36 that's what the whole point of the beta test month is after all 15:36 hothraxxa: the problem is that people are credited equally with winning the solitaire 15:37 regardless of how scummy or cheaty they were 15:37 so it legitimizes the view that 'all cheating is allowed' 15:37 or "that's not cheating" 15:38 aosdict: you are attempting to define a line that cannot be defined 15:38 yeah I don't see a problem 15:38 hence this conversation 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 15:42 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1051 points, T:1331, killed by a dwarf 15:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:33472 15:51 huh? 15:52 K2, I guess Magicbane must already exist in my game? 15:52 it must 15:52 bones? 15:53 only arahael, but there was no magicbane 15:53 You check bags? 15:53 arahael might have left it on the ground on the same floor maybe? or a monster yoinked it? 15:53 or random spawn 15:53 he was a monk... 15:54 The Quest To Find Magicbane 15:54 could it be on the quest home level... 15:54 hey at least long sword is unlocked 15:54 short sword :-) 15:54 err short sword 15:54 yeah thats what I said, short sword :) 15:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:55 I wonder if the apprentices can get magicbane? 15:55 kill them all 15:55 hah 15:55 hahaahah 15:55 perhaps a discreet scroll of magic detection first ;-) 15:56 Umbire I checked his bone pile including bags 15:56 oh Umbire left.. 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (rust monsters), on T:1290 16:01 oh I see that long sword got unrestricted anyway when I was crowned 16:08 at Rogue 16:08 5 left to do 16:09 by the power of greyskull, i will finish them this day! 16:14 \o/ 16:15 blast them with the Havoc Staff! 16:15 paranoia: can magicbane appear in a dilapidated armory and then be eaten by puddings 16:16 I've had a lot of them in this game 16:19 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of hiking boots entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7064 16:32 see you all in a bit 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:7281 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 10272 points, T:7286, killed by a mumak 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2730 points, T:1949, poisoned by an orcish arrow 16:44 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had a splint mail entrusted to him by Set, on T:41966 16:45 -!- qt has quit [Quit: back later] 16:50 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:38883 17:10 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a mace entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:2190 17:33 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 17:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:2988 17:45 ok lol 17:45 reading magic detection on the quest home level was useless 17:46 all the creatures that can use magic show, but that doesn't show what they are carrying 17:47 so K2 I may need to kill all the apprentices :b 17:47 oh spoke to soon... 17:48 some objects "visible" now, no Magicbane... 17:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 2688 points, T:4021, killed by a watchman 17:59 hmm. an elf corpse with iron dart and iron long sword. 18:00 poor elf 18:03 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 18:05 rip 18:15 elf early game is tough 18:18 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:20 more peacefuls in the mines though, curiously. 18:23 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:27 i only hope that free-action isnt iron. 18:27 heh 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7559 points, T:5427, killed by the wrath of Odin 18:31 thise peacefuls have resulted in mistakes though - i often walk up to an S, lets say, only to realise i went for a swim in deep water because it was peaceful. as a human monk i usually just wack everything. 18:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 8467 points, T:6367, killed by an invisible Green-elf 18:35 !lastgame bouquet 18:35 bouquet: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1617141385.evil.html 18:36 I guess the elf was invisible while riding a rothe. I was wondering how a rothe was able to wield a sword. 18:41 -!- tsadok has joined #evilhack 18:42 rothe with hands 18:43 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 3155 points, T:2071, killed by a magic missile 18:57 and that was going so well! ah well. work time! 18:57 elf is kind of nice although i had crappy stats. int:8... 18:59 saying both elf and crappy stats is redundant 19:00 hothraxxa: ha, but dont they generally have improved int and wis? 19:01 -!- tsadok is now known as jonadab 19:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2611 points, T:2992, killed by a barrow wight 19:11 i'm at tourist! 19:12 samurai took a bit, had to look up some japanese words 19:12 a billion different spellings of one word... 19:16 Which word? 19:17 Historically, there have been several systems for transliterating Japanese into Latin characters. 19:18 Even better, Japanese language textbooks written in English, usually promote an obsolete one (Hepburn), which is not widely used any more in Japan. 19:22 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:44705 19:37 just please 19:37 kudasai fits what i am using it with 19:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2240 points, T:3265, poisoned by a rotted hobbit rogue corpse 20:10 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 20:14 finished with quest.txt 20:14 i think this may be ready to commit 20:14 https://termbin.com/wjld 20:15 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 477 points, T:991, killed by an acidic corpse 20:46 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:58 K2: Oh, you're trying to *translate* word-for-word for English. That is not generally possible. 20:58 K2: "kudasai" is used in contexts like "I'd like one of those, please". 20:59 But in general Japanese has a LOT more protocol/boilerplate than English does, especially in common formulaic situations. 21:02 The poster child for this is greeting someone. An English sentence like "Hello" cannot be reliably translated into Japanese without knowing a bunch of auxilliary facts, such as who has higher social status (the greeter or the greetee), whether they have met previously and if so how well they know one another, what time of day it is, and what their respective occupations are. 21:02 And whether they are meeting in person, or speaking on the phone. 21:02 It's all very complicated. 21:03 On the other hand, most Japanese sentences cannot be reliably translated into English without knowing auxilliary facts such as who is performing the action of the verb. 21:03 The grammars of the two languages are not closely similar. 21:07 * jonadab looks at the pastebin. 21:08 Yes, that usage of kudasai is reasonable. 21:09 The actual Japanese sentence might possibly also work in douzou, depending on politeness level; but working it into the English would feel very forced. 21:10 desu/masu forms are almost a given with kudasai, but you're definitely not going to try to carry that over into English. 21:12 hah no 21:13 Arigato has a bunch of different connotations also 21:13 decided not to go there 21:14 Arigatou is mostly "thank you", although exact usage differs slightly from the equivalent English. 21:17 It would probably be possible to work in first-time greeting boilerplate (hajimemashite, douzou yoroshiku onegaishimasu or possibly onegieitashimasu and so on), but it's going to look like a lot of nonsense to most English speakers. 21:17 And you have to be careful that it only gets used the *first* time, though I think the quest already has code for that on the leader. 21:18 Or, wait, that might be the first time you visit a level. Which is different. 21:19 yup. didnt go there 21:20 i found a site that showed all the different uses of japanese words like please and thank you, in the correct context 21:20 worked out the right way to use 'please' and figured yeah that's enough :) 21:27 Ok. 21:27 Yeah, these sorts of words are mostly used very formulaically. 21:28 Although kudasai is not as bad that way as some of the others. 21:28 And pretty much no matter what you are saying in Japanese, there are layers upon layers of choices about how polite to be when saying it. 21:30