00:13 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/JmRih 00:13 [EvilHack] k21971 d876e1f - Invoking the Eye of Vecna uses actual death magic. 00:15 It was originally an absurdly high damage roll, yeah? 00:30 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JmRdH 00:31 [EvilHack] k21971 1777fde - Fix: invoking the Eye of Vecna and it killing a monster. 00:31 Umbire yeah 2/3rd total hit points plus it drops max hp by a small amount 00:31 Oh, I see 00:31 thankfully, invoking has a lengthy timeout 00:32 and invoking the EoV comes at a cost. do it too many times and you can kill yourself 00:32 Naturally. 00:33 tomorrow i'll kit out Vecna and Kas, and work on the method of how one would obtain the EoV (it won't be a guaranteed drop) 00:33 i can really melee this black dragon with dragonbane? 00:33 rebatela yes 00:33 or without it 00:33 you can always melee a black dragon 00:33 truew 00:34 this is like right where i want to be in evilhack... i'm probably about to splat 00:34 no dont jinx it lol 00:35 hehe 00:35 well, i've gotten to the point where i don't need wishes to get to the wand so anytime i do get an early wish it's gravy 00:35 nice 00:35 ok bedtime, gnite all 00:35 kind of like what happens wtih vanilla i guess... but it used to be i needed an early wish to do well in evil 00:35 night 00:38 oh i forgot about the ice queen 00:40 finally gain ability 44k turns 00:40 stats maxed 00:41 i know you he went to bed, but i'm calling shenanigans 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:44256 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:44256 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:44565 00:55 Aw boo 01:02 oh no! 01:02 wtfw 01:02 i dropped the pickaxe 01:02 left it in soko for that exact reason lol 01:02 i guess i had already hit something? 01:02 well now i'm wishing for grayswandir. FUCK ITG 01:02 what did i hit 01:03 i was so proud of myself dropping that pickaxe... 01:03 10 minutes ago? 01:03 wtf 01:05 i guess i can go back for the pickaxe now :( 01:11 K2: the EoV not being a guaranteed drop could be irritating - do we get something else instead? perhaps a death wand (1:1) or something? 01:11 are you complaining about the game that isn't out yet? 01:12 He's reading the commits 01:19 rebatela: i am australian... of coursei am! 01:20 ;) 01:20 oh man... 01:20 i'lm telling ya, IRL and i guess online all the australian people i've met have been the kindest 01:23 i'm kind of sheltered tho 01:26 oh man i love that blessed thing being able to hit the ghsot 01:26 game changer ovewr here! 01:26 thanks! 01:27 ugh i lost weaponless but cannot stop hitting w- 01:27 rebatela: awesome :) 01:27 silver lamp 01:27 ooooh yeah 01:28 god i hope i have id'd oil by this point... 01:28 that's the worst... when you think it's magic but then you realize you're at 45k turns and havent seen an oil lamp! 01:28 haha! 01:29 i dilute all my oil to water. 01:30 I use any oil I'm not saving for lamp recharges as improvised explosives. 01:30 no but i mean when you find a "lamp" 01:30 and you get all excited 01:30 in this case it was a blessed silver magic lamp, but someimtes you don't know 01:30 maybe i should just wish for charging 01:31 you have like , at least 4 wishes anyway? 01:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:46111 01:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:46123 01:35 lot of turns to just be entering gehennom... 01:35 i play kinda fast realtime but NOT turncount lol 01:35 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 01:36 oh i dilute all the oil to water too 01:37 i was watching tone play a video and he tried to untrap a chest and there was a squeaky board there and he had to pick up the chest and move it because you can untrap an a squeaky board with oil? 01:37 yeah... i never do that either 01:37 Oil can be used to repair weapon/armor corrosion 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46147 01:38 And the squeaky board example is relevant if something especially nasty's sleeping nearby 01:38 oh yeah 01:38 those traps definitely work 01:38 but i mean, after the fact? you're going to unsqueak it? 01:38 i just never have 01:38 it's cool that you can though with the oil 01:39 and fix weapons and what not 01:39 but yeah i do the same thing.. oil becomes water 01:40 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:43 so if i hit a red dragon with dragonbane does it burn? 01:43 iunnolol 01:44 I imagine it wouldn't since dragonhide is inherently fooproofed 01:44 mobileuser got some "bug" "fixed" 01:44 and it changed other thigns 01:44 i'm just teasing god i hope he knows when he reads the back log :) 01:45 i have incredible respect for the other evilhack players 01:45 * rebatela grumbles 01:47 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:46303 01:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 51 points, T:202, killed by a scroll of earth 01:51 Umbire: oil can repair?! 01:52 Yahuh. 01:52 Wiki page covers it. 01:52 I rarely use it for such but it's an option 01:53 i didnt even think to check! 01:53 i will once i am home! 01:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:46501 01:54 oh yeah oil does all sorts of shit 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 328 points, T:753, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water demon, while sleeping off a magical draught 01:56 i wonder if people have ascended without doing the ice queen branch since he added it 01:56 i should probably go do it 01:57 it feels like skipping the mines or soko or something 01:57 I mean it's reasonable to skip either if RNG fulfills your needs (or your QA is a luck item anyway) 02:01 yeah 02:05 pegasus is such an awesome steed though. worth it just for that. 02:06 just dont let it die while you're mounted over the bottomless chasms in vlad's tower. 02:07 the best steeds on that level are the woolys... 02:07 (giants can ride) 02:07 oh so you've dropped to your death there too? 02:07 it seems to be a right of passage... 02:09 bouquet fell the other night 02:09 rebatela: Yep. 02:09 (after being warned) but i knew about it too and still died 02:09 Yep, I was warned, but I was still confused about it, as it's so different. 02:10 yeah... one of those things i hope to only do once though? 02:10 I just assumed it was super, super dark. 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a small shield entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3577 02:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:58 Fuck off 02:58 Throne room I cleared when playing ages ago only gave one sit and poofed 02:59 So lagged. :( 02:59 Umbire: That's almost always the case with me, I cant' remember the last time it gave me a wish. 03:03 It's _recommended_ to kill the oracle, right? 03:05 That's a K2 question 03:06 Heh. 03:07 Huh, iron bars 03:07 There's an ogre in jail 03:14 Ah, oil only repairs weapons, not armour. 03:15 That's why I never knew about it - playing as a monk most of the time. 03:16 * arahael is unimpressed that he's just found Mjollnir on the ground. 03:16 Can't use it. 03:17 Found dbanethacker's ghost. 03:18 Woo! With a magic lamp! 03:18 Maybe I should wish up a +2 blessed fixed dragonhide robe. 03:18 GJ 03:21 Hmm. Definitely. 03:22 Ooh my first rodents of unusual size 03:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "+3 blessed fixed dragonhide robe", on T:18281 03:24 Awesome. 03:24 Now AC -20 03:24 And I found my first magic beam trap 03:24 Fire thankfully 03:32 Woo! And the magicmarker, whilst empty, is uncharged. 03:37 That'll do for the night 03:38 Saw my first instance of random lava, that was neat 03:40 Hmm? Good to know that my wand of magic missile is rustproof... 03:41 What's its appearance? 03:44 curved. 03:44 I've got a ring of both polymorph, and polycontrol. I suppose I should now polymorph into a Xorn? :) 03:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:51 Guessing it rolled a random rustproof material? 03:51 In any case, I'm out. Good night. 03:52 good night! 03:52 *sigh*. Three wraiths, none left a corpse, even when lured to the upstairs. 03:53 F 03:53 Umbire: G'night! And yep, random, unless it was wished for in the bones level, but... 03:53 Who would wish for a rustproof wand of *magic missile*? 03:53 Might've been polypiled for all I know. 03:53 * Umbire shrugs. 03:53 Also, remind me to finish the Mines after I find a source of levitation/water walking if you guys are around, eh? 03:53 Be well. 03:54 Take care! 03:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55 arahael wands can have proofing sometimes, it's just RNG 03:55 Fair enoguh. 03:56 Ok, AGAIN. :( I've got my martial arts stats at "Master", and it's refusing to even go to 1% of Grand Master. :( 03:56 This is frustrating. 03:57 did your brain get eaten before? 03:57 Yes. 03:57 Despite wearing a helm, etc, I guess it's just chance, but even so. 03:57 I think that although you stats are at master, your training points may have gone back below that 03:57 *your stats 03:58 so in a way you start at negative training 03:58 keep at it and it will go above 0% ar some point 03:58 Weird... 03:58 Good to know. 03:58 In which case, it went substantially below master. 03:58 we saw that happening to hothxraxxa 04:00 It explains what happened to me earlier, but I just died in that game eventually. It wasn't fun once it seemd I couldn't get back to grand master. 04:00 And curiously, the spell of restore ability does'nt do anything. 04:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:00 no, restore ability doesn't work for skills unfortunately 04:04 Pity 04:05 Hmm. Eating the magical eye was probably a bad idea. 04:09 why? 04:09 My luck was already maxed. So since it oscillated, it probably went down. 04:10 Aah ok 04:10 My fortune oscillated, rather. 04:12 Need to find another 17k points. 04:12 Then it's quest time! 04:18 > You can move again. Aphrodite steals the blessed +5 Dragonbane! 04:18 Noooooo! 04:19 another person scammed out of their hard-earned dragonbane 04:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Aphrodite, on T:25781 04:19 It got it's just reward. 04:28 \o/ 04:31 I've seen so many artifacts in this game I fear I can't wish for a quest artifact. 04:31 No no wizards eye for me this game. 04:34 Hmm. Found medusa's level. 04:35 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 04:40 * arahael accidentally kills Warwick the Raider. 04:42 Who had a BoH, containing a potion of gain level! Quest! Here I come! 04:42 -!- joppe has joined #evilhack 04:45 Alas, poor Warwick! I knew him 04:45 He died quickly. 04:50 Hmm. Master lich. :( 04:50 Not sure what to do. 04:51 Oh, it's a chameleon. 05:03 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 05:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30467 05:10 huh? 05:10 mobileuser: Yeah? 05:10 did you polymorph master kaen or something 05:11 Yes. :) 05:12 ah that explains the lack of livelogging :-) 05:12 Makes him trivial. 05:12 Ripped his robe, though, but I didn't need that. 05:12 ripped robe 05:13 My dragonhide robe is better. 05:13 He did get angry, though. 05:15 you got the bell without killing hikm? 05:15 that's pretty badass 05:15 It's the easiest way. 05:16 why can't i connect to hterm australia? 05:16 weird 05:16 ssh works 05:16 Hmm? 05:17 i dunno like the web version of whatever we all play on isn't working 05:17 (for me) 05:18 i was able to ssh and watch your game tho 05:18 but i can't really see it because display options 05:18 normally i can watch europe/us games in a browser tab 05:21 Interesting - what if you have hit 's'? 05:21 Whats the URL? 05:24 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 05:24 > Being confused you have difficulties in controlling your actions. 05:24 > You accidentally tear the spellbook to pieces. 05:24 ^^ That was the book of identify! :$ 05:27 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:30 ripped the spellbook 05:30 rip in pieces :( 05:30 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible dbanethacker's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:32492 05:31 oh no lol 05:31 RIP spellbook 05:36 Well, that was weirdly lucky. I have so many things in my BoH, that when I fell into water, and water got into teh BoH, none of my books, potions, or scrolls got wet. 05:36 Oh, not quite. *one* potion got wet. 05:36 And one of my wands of magic missile is now rusty. 05:45 * arahael can never remember if eyes of the overworld protects against medusa. 05:45 it does not 05:46 yeah medusa is basically the only thing it doesn't 05:47 in vanilla it blocks the archon glare or whatever it has gaze 05:47 Glad I checked. :/ 05:47 medusa stoned herself from her reflection in my current game after like 20 times of seeing it 05:48 i had to lock the door on her and retreet and heal 05:49 poly zapping also works on medusa (might take a few zaps) 05:50 i wish there was an altar in my dungeon to play around 05:50 i converted the one in the quest, but that feels a little dangerous with the abbots etc 05:51 EPI: copy slash'ems poly changes for evilhack 05:51 Can i just kill all those people in the quest now that i have the bell? 05:51 will i lose protection? 05:51 i've never done that 05:51 why's it dangerous with abbots there? 05:51 I want to set up shop where that altar is and do some summoning 05:51 polypiling 05:51 etc 05:51 sacrificing 05:52 you could let them wander out the door then lock it 05:52 Mah, it's hard to kill medusa. 05:52 yeah she's no joke in evil 05:52 have you made it this far? 05:52 Had to use three lizards just to get the heck away. 05:52 slow your roll 05:52 yeah dude 05:52 Yeah, this is my htird time. 05:53 fire is supposed to be good (bad) for her 05:53 i cast magic missle but that takes a bunch 05:53 try to bounce them 05:53 you don't want to melee at all though 05:53 or you just have to keep eating lizards like that and you will die 05:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33824 05:54 How did it die!? 05:54 I just literally stepped away... 05:55 nice 05:55 The only acidic thing I had left was a potion of acid... 05:55 did reflection finally kick in? 05:55 did she see reflection? 05:55 yeah 05:55 it can take many turns like i was saying about my game 05:55 Must've, except... There was no message saying that something was reflected. 05:55 that's weird 05:55 if you didn't see it there wouldn't be a message 05:55 maybe you were out of range to "see" her see it 05:55 amateurhour: Ah, that's why. 05:55 So she is now underwater, I think. 05:56 congrats 05:56 you have genocide yet? 05:56 highly recommend getting rid of alhoons 05:56 No genocide yet. 05:57 although i guess that strategy is about to get messed with in .7 05:57 Ok, so medusa's done, but I want the ice queen's lair. 05:57 So back up I guess. 05:57 btw if you don't know slash'ems poly rules you might not see what that EPI would be quite evil 05:58 i need to do ice queen too 05:58 amateurhour: Hmm? 05:58 in slash'em when you kill something that's polymorphed, it just reverts to its base monster (or chance of shuddering and dying for real) 05:58 sometimes i do that branch with pets... 05:59 and can immediately move again, so if it has wand of poly it'll immediately poly again and attack 05:59 especially as a giant you can ride the wooly mammoths... they are the bomb! 05:59 amateurhour: Ah, difficult. 05:59 additionally, polypiling is somewhat nerfed, as poly'd items will revert after a bit of time 05:59 rebatela: Just a regular human. :) 05:59 soemetimes i will go there and cast sleep at the wooly mammoths and come back when i can tame/ride 05:59 you can keep poly'd items as they are by dipping them in potion of restore ability 05:59 yeah i think they can ride them too 05:59 maybe not? 05:59 you can ride a black dragon 06:00 do you have a magic whistle? 06:00 tame like 10 dragons and go do the ice queen level. it's fun. Or just tame the mastodons/wooly mammoths that you encounter on that level 06:00 even if you don't ride the woollys, they are so tough 06:01 good pets 06:01 i'm going to go do that 06:01 Hmm. A c-nest. 06:01 rebatela: taming them is a nice idea. 06:03 i can't charm for shit, i need helm of brill 06:03 or one of those staffs 06:03 i have a magic harp tho 06:03 i wand to tame this black dragon even though i can't ride it 06:04 * arahael wonders where the ice queen's level is! 06:04 the one above medusa derp 06:05 Should have noises. 06:05 You know, there has not been a single priest I can buy protection from this entire game. 06:05 Valley priest is going to be the first priest. 06:05 i don't even have an altar in my dungeon 06:05 did you get orctown? 06:06 Found the howling wind! 06:06 rebatela: Yep, orctown. 06:06 i have a temple but it's minetown and thats the only altar 06:06 that sucks as a monk (orctown) 06:06 But I was kind of OK with orctown... Because it had a magic lamp. 06:06 because you can't buy protection 06:06 really sucks as a giant monk 06:06 but even in vanilla it sucks 06:06 you can buy protection at the ice queen level 06:06 if you don't get another temple 06:06 yeah you can buy it in the valley but that's too late lol 06:07 FINALLy. Found the ice queen level. 06:07 yeah orctown is ok now at least you get an altar you can convert 06:07 mobileuser:Oh, yeah. Good point. 06:07 and that's good you got a magic lamp 06:07 it's fine if you find a temple on dl6 or whatever 06:07 sometimes there are like 5 temples in the dungeon 06:08 oh that's a great point about the ice queen level 06:08 i nevewr thought about donating there 06:08 molochs servents or whatever.. it's creepy like the valley 06:08 Hmm? An unidentified wand? 06:08 i'm there now... if the minetown altar wasn't coaligned i would kill that priest and donate all the gold to the ice queen lol 06:09 The 17th wand... 06:10 arahael: the first time you found a wand of nothing in a shop in evil were you pissed? 06:11 rebatela: I don't price-id wands. 06:11 oh good. nvm 06:11 lol 06:11 Hmm, awesome - it's enlightenment. 06:12 man... i price id wands if only to ID cancel asap, but that used to be a much bigger deal (exploding bag) 06:12 100% fire, cold, sleep, shock, and poison resistant. 06:12 crazy that vanilla has nerfed the bag blowing up 06:14 Hmm, I don't do well against snow golems at all. 06:14 they do a lot of damage 06:14 i fight them from a distance 06:14 there's only a couple there i think 06:14 I just meleed it. 06:14 have you beat kathryn before? played this branch? 06:15 she is no joke 06:15 you have dragonbane right? that's clutch because shes casts that acid spell 06:15 I have. And yes, I have dragonbane. 06:15 This is my third time. 06:16 sorry 06:16 But because I tend to melee everything... It's tricky! 06:16 just didn't want you to be unprepared. I've died there more than once lol 06:16 i'm telling you PETS 06:16 are great for clearing out those rooms 06:16 if you have a whistle 06:16 othewrwise not worth the hassle 06:17 Hmm, I've got no taming scrolls. 06:17 tame the mastodons and the woolys! 06:17 Not yet identified. 06:17 i cast sleep at the woolys and then go back to the branch when i know charm monster and saddle up 06:17 they are better than the pegasus 06:17 Ah, interesting. 06:18 Can you take them down through geheno? 06:18 oh yeah 06:18 i've taken them through Vlad's etc. 06:18 I don't like pets that you need to feed vegetarian stuff... 06:18 A giant monk riding a woolly mammoth, wearing an amulet of FLYING 06:19 it's a beautiful image 06:19 * arahael is jealous. 06:19 you can ride the pegasus! 06:20 Hmm, I should probably come back to this level when I've enough PW to cast fireball. 06:20 can only giants ride the woollys? I'm not sure how that works 06:20 K2 in the category of things I don't see but still get a message about: "It flies into a berserker rage!". Although maybe berserkers make a lot of noise :-) 06:21 once you train the riding skill though, you can pick stuff up off the ground 06:21 that's the game changer 06:21 Yep, that's what I do once I've done this level. 06:22 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:36431 06:22 sometimes i would just kind of run around the dungeon on an animal just to train the skill 06:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:3646 06:23 I should start using pets really 06:23 and then when you actually mount the pet you want to stay on you can just stay on it 06:23 rebatela: I do that every time :) 06:23 Ah, no, I just do circles around the ice queen castle. 06:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1756 points, T:3648, killed by a baluchitherium 06:23 Woah. Fireball is insanely good on the ice queen's level. 06:23 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 06:24 yeah isn't it one of those things that if monsters are cold resistant they take more fire damage or something? 06:24 Or they just drown. 06:24 oh man i died when he first introduced that branch from something zapping a fire wand at me 06:25 always levitate/fly since then 06:25 at least over the ice... 06:25 it was a FROST GIANT with a wand of fire 06:25 probably riding a wooly mammoth 06:26 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:26 OOh, good tip. 06:27 instadeath 06:29 it's funny we are in the same place 06:29 i don't think i'm gonna play though lol 06:30 I'm finding the ice queen level easy. Just fire-fire-fire. 06:30 Takes a while for the HP to regenerate, though. 06:31 fireball also works very well on the ice queen 06:31 Good tip! 06:32 i think wearing a shield totally negates an extra turn you get w/ martial arts 06:32 are you fighting with one hand? ya know? 06:34 such a disappointment when crystal chests are empty :( 06:35 rebatela: It negates one of the extra turns. Not all of them. 06:36 the damn axe on the ice queen level was cursed wtf is that nonsense 06:36 * rebatela casts remove curse 06:37 not a huge deal but weak! 06:38 I didn't realise they could be cursed on that level. 06:39 why not, it's always a risk with random weapons 06:39 ummm it's not random 06:39 there's never not an axe there 06:39 partly random :-) 06:39 just surprised me 06:39 random tools are never cursed 06:39 oh yeah they are 06:39 like lamps i guess 06:39 an axe is a weapon 06:40 but like pickaxes arent 06:40 i know 06:40 so can be cursed 06:40 but a pickaxe would never be cursed in that sitch 06:40 i know that that's the differencew (weapon) 06:40 that's right 06:40 but cmon they're axes iyou're using for the same fucking thing lol 06:40 except if you find it on fake bones 06:41 it's like mattocks 06:41 those can be cursed 06:41 i mean, if you're at this stage of the game and an axe welding itself to your hand ruins your day you have much bigger problems 06:41 exactly :-) 06:41 it just surprised me :) 06:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:47548 06:42 i like fighting ^^ as a giant 06:42 I have some weirdness in my game 06:42 you can throw boulders iback and forth at each other 06:42 I am not confused, but wielding a pick-axe I attacked my pet 06:42 hmmm 06:43 don't know if that is a vanilla bug 06:43 fat fingers? 06:43 no, maybe something to do with starting to use it as a weapon for the first time... 06:44 on purpose? I hit isomething with a pickaxe this game and i'm pissed! I had stashed the pickaxe too but then i saw the livelog 06:44 No, I didn't use F 06:44 i think my last 2 ascensions were weaponless tho so whatever. i don't care about conducts so much 06:45 I just expected to swap paces 06:45 and you were wielding the pickase? 06:45 yeah 06:45 that sounds interesting, I wonder if it's a bug in vanilla too 06:45 You begin bashing monsters with your pick-axe. 06:46 that one 06:46 it feels like a long time ago that you can displace friendlies 06:46 luckily I missed 06:46 but i never play 3.43 variants really 06:47 do you still have the conduct? 06:47 Hmm. Spellbook of polymorph. 06:48 amateurhour I missed, so I expect I do. I'll check. 06:48 "You have never hit with a wielded weapon." 06:48 \o/ 06:49 meanwhile, magic trap on level 1 06:49 just going to pinch myself, this must be a dream, mobileuser doing weaponless?? 06:49 spellbook of polymorph? 06:49 nice yo 06:49 I'm considering wishing for the spellbook of polymorph and the staff of matter (i can't wear a robe tho!) 06:49 you found that on the ground? 06:49 mobileuser splatting tourists more like amateurhour ;-) 06:49 rebatela: Yep, except... I don't have the wizard's eye. So doing the polymorph thing is tedious as heck. 06:50 And yep, found it on the ground. 06:50 yeah takes 30PW 06:50 haha I may be an amateur but I am a master at splatting 06:51 2.2% winrate baybeeee 06:51 uhm that sentence was ambiguous probably :-) 06:52 I'm still in awe that your winrate is 41.2% even doing so many hard combos 06:52 "it's more like I am splatting tourists than playing weaponless, amateurhour" 06:52 oh i love taming all these pets 06:52 ahh haha 06:52 i usually just abandon them 06:52 but it makes this level so much easier 06:52 my win rate is dropping fast now :-) 06:53 next splat coming up 06:53 yesssss join the dark side, splat your gamessss 06:54 at the cost of my starting healing potions I live a bit longer... 06:55 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:47855 06:55 I think I always drink them at like turn 1 06:56 how many times have you lost, mobileuser? twice right ? 06:56 in a row at the moment? 06:56 ever lol 06:56 lol 06:56 heh 06:56 4 in a row now 06:56 :-( 06:57 :( 06:57 looks like 40 losses total, that's like nothing 06:58 I'll never get back to 50% this way :b 06:58 sure you will, just stop doing difficult combos :P 06:58 lol 07:01 Sorry, had to sit back for a bit cancelling the social events I run on the weekend. :( Due to thunderstorm forcast... 07:01 mobi have you thought about trying to streak vanilla like tariru? 07:01 I reckon if there's anyone that could come close to the record it'd be you 07:02 WOah. Died. :( 07:02 Got outnumbered by the queen's pets... Then my health went low and I had to run away... But before I did, she summoned a freaking wooly mammoth. 07:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 464162 points, T:40061, killed by Ozzy 07:03 Rather sad. I should've worn "oLS. 07:04 oh no 07:05 yeah it can get overwhelming 07:05 i won't die there again, but i've had that happen a couple times 07:05 now i don't mess around there lol 07:05 It's quite remarkable just how suddenly your HP goes down. I had almost killed both dogs. 07:05 rip 07:05 yeah 07:05 she can do ltos of damage with spells 07:06 charm monster... 07:06 that's the secret 07:06 A bit annoying because I had leveled up and grinded all the way down, and bought protection at her priest, and destoryed every monster, and gotten my HP and PW up before taking her and her dogs on. 07:06 and get rid of the shield 07:06 Yeah, I didn't have that. 07:06 Oh, actually with the dogs, I was just using magic missile. 07:07 i brought a saber tooth tiger back to the dungeon 07:07 but i used a black dragon and a few mastodons etc and they cleared everything out 07:07 and then crowded the room with the dogs while i killed the bitch 07:07 Yeah... I found clearing everything out on my own quite easy. It was just the dogs, the ice queen, and that ****'ing mammoth i had to run away from at a pinch. 07:08 Those mammoths would sure have been nice as pets if I had the means. 07:09 or zap teleport at the dogs 07:09 rip 07:10 mobileuser: That's a stupidly good idea! 07:10 i still need charging 07:10 dammit 07:10 i really don't want to wish for it 07:10 I had 3 scrolls of charging. 07:10 they don't die, they keep attacking once you attack the ice queen again 07:10 but i have 5 maybe 6 wishes 07:10 And a freaking magic marker. 07:10 mobileuser: They do die. I've killed them before. 07:10 The previous two times, infact. 07:10 yeah and that doesn't leave bones d;oh 07:10 Indeed. :( 07:10 no they don't 07:10 markers in bones are the best 07:11 so rare 07:11 markers 07:11 they just become peaceful 07:11 mmmmmm markers 07:11 i could wish for one and max my luck and WRITE CHARGING 07:11 until you attack the ice queen again 07:11 now THAT'S an idea 07:11 and worth it if i knew I was getting like a 0:98 marker 07:11 better off just wishing for 3 07:12 hmmm 07:12 mobileuser: Oh, yeah. 07:13 if i the marker is like 0:43 or something I'll oonly be able to tr yto write it a couple times and then won't be able to charge it obviously lol 07:16 maybe i'll rub this magic lamp and if i get a wish i'll wish for charging, and then it won't feel like i wasted a wish as much 07:17 Thank you for freeing me 07:17 39 hp AC3 what's this clown gonna do for me 07:18 he can take care of the saber tooth tiger i guess 07:22 Disappointment the Djinni is back <3 07:26 yeah at least this one was grateful.. THe guy bitching about being "disturbed" gets thrown right in the forge 07:30 i like how k2 was saying he's getting rid of most of the mazes 07:31 can vorpal jabberwocks be tamed? I don't think i want to chill next to it long finding out! 07:33 oooo another poly wand... maybe i can get charging 07:36 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:48518 07:36 I freaking had three poly wands. 07:36 * arahael is a sore looser. 07:37 yeah i have a bunch 07:37 just no charging 07:37 just got another one 07:37 going to poly scrolls hopefully get it 07:37 yeah don't be a sore loser 07:37 that's not a bad place to die 07:38 that level can get bad real quick 07:40 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 07:40 Yeah, it did get bad really fast. 07:40 Quite surprising, actually 07:40 I should've had a wand of teleport - had an empty one, but I should've thought to charge it. 07:41 yeah they are the best 07:41 some games you don't find those either.. i have a bunch now 07:41 they are so important for the end game (at least the way i play! ) 07:42 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:43 :) I rarely teleport, actually. 07:44 I use them as a last ditch escape. 07:50 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 07:52 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:55 rebatela I think I remember taming Vorpal J before 07:56 do you still have see invis? :b 07:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5826 08:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:7514 08:10 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 08:13 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 08:21 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:22 -!- joppe has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:27 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 08:29 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (orcs), on T:1 08:42 TIL you can burn away sewage with fire 08:43 ^ K2 nice 08:44 so far i have see invisible 08:45 and i saved the ring when i found it 08:45 oh oh can i eat the ring?!? 08:45 that'd be sweet 08:45 yeah, don't think it's guaranteed to get the intrinsic though 08:46 will double check as I might be wrong 08:46 it probably just gets canceled with the trap 08:46 think it's 1/3 chance to get it 08:47 i forgot i was boycotting evilhack over not being able to see invisible with the eyes 08:47 i was going to burn my copy of the game 08:48 but then i just wore the Eota and ascended the elf and kind of forgot about it 08:49 but for a few days I stood there, saved, with the amulet, in protest 08:52 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 08:52 I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't happened to you before having played a lot of monks 08:52 maybe you hadn't noticed before, because there was a bug where saving/reloading would restore monks' see invis 08:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 876 points, T:2345, zombified by an orc zombie 08:54 "you rise from the dead as a human zombie" 08:54 awwww yeah 08:54 now you have to ascend! 08:54 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:54 so why don't I get to play on then 08:54 oh 08:55 damn 08:55 splat 08:55 K2 scammed you out of a unique victory :( 08:55 I was so hoping for that :-) 08:55 I think as a zombie you would have intrinsic drain resist 08:56 and sickness res 08:56 yeah, and of course the real benefit would be the unique never-been-done-before ascension! 08:59 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 09:11 dammit they tell me about this tool on the news to check on my stimulus payment and of course the damn tool gives not good news. Then i google it and apparently it is giving everyone bad news 09:12 so maybe i will get a check afterall 09:12 i have no money, ya see? like 0$ zorkmids 09:14 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 09:16 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:27 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 09:27 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:27 -!- stenno2 has quit [Client Quit] 09:40 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:43 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 09:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a pair of cloth mud boots entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:15619 09:48 hi 09:48 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 09:48 read backscroll 09:49 mobileuser - check. I put it on the pad 09:49 should be easy fix 09:50 arahael: the main motivation for destroying vecna is being able to geno L's and alhoons should you wish to do so. the sword of kas will be guaranteed. the eye is secondary, wont be a guaranteed drop 09:50 or maybe it will under the right cirumstances 09:50 still hashing out how to approach this 09:51 *circumstances 09:52 have a message upon vecna's death 09:52 he'll be livelogged anyway presuming he's unique 09:52 yes 09:52 destroying vecna will even count as an achievement 09:52 canonically when the eye is destroyed, it only appears to be destroyed and goes to one of vecna's vaults 09:53 so you could ham up some eye destruction message 09:54 currently there are only 3 ways to destroy it: eat it (bad), sacrifice it (good and bad), or dip it in lava/a forge 09:57 the plan I have right now for getting the EoV: destroying vecna, there's a % chance the eye drops. if you decapitate him, its guaranteed (can retrieve the eye from its head before the rest of its body crumbles to dust) 09:57 what that % chance will be, havent decided yet 09:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:16745 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:40025 10:21 make it random at the start of the game and add a line in the dumplog: 10:21 The RNG hath decreed that the eye of vecna dropped with foo% probability. 10:21 :^) 10:23 heh 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 10:30 The funny thing is, that would not materially change anything's outcome, but the player would feel more cheated. 10:30 oh wait you're talking about varying the probability itself 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 324 points, T:626, killed by a falling object 10:31 still, not a material difference if you told the player "the eye of vecna has an overall foo% chance to drop" 10:31 where foo% was the correct expected value of the probability 10:34 yeah 10:34 that's what slex does :P 10:34 that's what I was getting at 10:35 I'm guessing you've not seen a slex dumplog before aosdict, you might find it rather interesting: https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1615753115.slex.txt 10:35 the Final Attributes section and voluntary challenges section in particular 10:36 oh yes I know about this stuff 10:36 let us pray that amy never discovers html dumplogs 10:37 she'd use and all over the place 10:37 hahaha 10:38 and be like, "I can only get so fleecy with 16 colors! But with html dumplogs, I have 16 MILLION!" 10:38 html dumplogs are pretty great 10:38 imagine a html dumplog that embedded a ttyrec viewer pointing at a combined ttyrec of your sessions 10:40 imagine the file sizes 10:40 woop 10:43 lol "mobileuser the human zombie" 10:43 of course I stumbled upon my own bones 10:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed mobileuser the human zombie, and former Sightseer, on T:2607 10:49 K2 what conditions let you continue playing as a zambo? 10:49 asking for a friend 10:53 like do you have to die from a claw attack specifically etc 10:54 example: if you are killed by a lich type monster, you arise as a revenant. normally that would be a bones monster, but there's a small chance you can continue on and keep playing 10:54 its not the attack type that determines, its what you're killed by 10:55 here's the commit - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/f7c395585b551b4c33e204598265ae284e7bf09c 10:56 looks like i added liches after the fact 10:58 what about sickness from zombie bite? 11:03 YASI: rise again as a lichen when killed by a lichen 11:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7756 11:10 YASI: get killed by a mimic, rise again as a pile of gold 11:12 death by zombie sickness isnt factored in to that i dont think. i'd have to look 11:14 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 13421 points, T:8969, killed by a leocrotta 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) murdered Fido, her faithful little dog, on T:75 11:35 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 11:41 -!- joes has joined #evilhack 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3348 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4652 points, T:3676, killed by a Mordor orc, while dressing up 13:16 blah 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1749 14:28 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law), 2283 points, T:1758, quit 14:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:27384 14:35 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:40987 14:48 well fuck me 14:49 wasn't cursed :( 14:52 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 14:56 embrace the dark side 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class L), on T:41150 15:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:29664 15:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:29801 15:10 my new leprechaun strategy: carry a gold key so they quit trying to swipe my gold amulet 15:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 182092 points, T:31062, killed by a displacer beast, while moving through the air 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a steel long sword entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7747 15:37 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/JmVH8 15:37 [EvilHack] k21971 7c338a1 - Fix: 'It flies into a berserker rage!'. 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Mal Law), 495 points, T:868, killed by a dwarf 15:58 will I be able to receive excalibur by being crowned while holding a longsword if it's a "steel" longsword? 15:58 material wont matter 15:58 but it wont stay steel 15:59 can I have a rubber longsword? 16:01 yes, but no 16:09 an elven longsword wouldn't work, though, because that's not a material? 16:14 correct 16:14 elven longsword is its own thing 16:14 however, comma 16:15 if saccing for dirge, wielding either a regular longsword or elven longsword will work 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible mightyquinn's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:10002 16:32 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:10591 16:36 is there a way to step onto a boulder space as a giant without moving it or pinning it against a wall? 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1734 points, T:3909, killed by a soldier ant 16:47 yes 16:47 m + direction key 16:50 not working as intended 16:51 didn't you add to 0.7 K2 but not to 0.6? 16:52 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/55f4422eb3ca5b41d1233202cf4181623bef41c6 16:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03 -!- joes has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:07 that would explain it 17:10 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:47647 17:37 -!- jonadab has joined #evilhack 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:14332 17:56 "You see a baby owlbear drop out of a gnomish soldier's pack!" 17:57 lol 18:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:11821 18:05 F, forgot I'm wearing a cursed amulet of poison res 18:14 oh yeah 18:36 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:47 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:56 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 18:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:01 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 19:05 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (barjavel.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:05 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 20:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 146548 points, T:20318, killed by a locust 20:30 i pitty the fool who finds those bones 20:40 :/ 20:46 bouquet: YASI: named troll named Mr. T 20:48 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2449 points, T:2347, killed by a gnome lord 21:07 there was a zoo with 3 named adventurers who apparently all had lots of cursed scrolls of create monster. 21:08 oh geez lol 21:08 That's no good. 21:08 Now, if you'd had a ring of conflict, though 21:08 bouquet did you see my commit concerning entering vlad's cavern? 21:13 I saw you mention it. 21:17 did you see me go through all the stages of grief? 21:20 Ha. 21:20 I went through most of the stages yesterday with the ice queen's branch. 21:21 i did 21:21 i bore witness 21:21 i took in your sadness as my own and made the commit 21:22 I didn't see an acknowlegement in the commit message ;) 21:22 i knew you would know it was for you 21:23 Which commit, in particular? I hope it was something along the lines of: "As happens to arahael, happens to all followers of Vecna". 21:23 heh 21:24 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/cefb95f321ce3ae86376e19d9a49b907afc81f38 21:25 K2: Ah, speaking of that, I just tested that with the ice queen... I think the problem is that you have quite a few levels now where "vast empty space" is something you can't cross. 21:25 K2: Ie, you have to find a bridge, etc. As an example, the wizard's quest tower, ice queen's domain, etc. 21:26 And also obviously the dungeon itself. 21:26 But on vlad's tower, you can step into blackness, and nothing really stops you. It's the opposite. 21:26 i know 21:26 its special 21:26 hence the verbose description as you enter as well as a hint etched into the ground 21:27 in the ice queen level isn't the black spaces actually rock 21:27 ditto for wizard locate 21:28 rilly 21:28 silly* 21:28 i'm not debating this again 21:28 hints etched into the ground, sounds like mccauley :) 21:29 K2: It's not a debate, it's simply the reason why players get confused. If we could have a /blacker/ symbol, that'd work well, I think, but I can't think of anything blacker than uh... Black... 21:29 (I know we did the same exact thing in TNNT so there's no leg to stand on here) 21:29 K2: It's difficult to think of other ways to improve it other than making the messages more obvious, I like the commit you've made there. 21:30 arahael: here's an easy one 21:30 "You avoid stepping off the cliff. (Use m if you really want to.)" 21:30 ^ this is what the xnh version will have 21:30 no risk, no danger. easyhack 21:31 Heh. 21:31 why even bother 21:31 In any case, however you do it, it wouldn't have prevented my YASD... 21:31 I *flew* into the cavern, and fought demons on the back of pegasus. 21:31 yeah that's a legit death 21:32 same as being over water and having a succubus steal your lev boots and drowning 21:32 ^ happened to me once in vanilla 21:32 castle 21:32 K2: Maybe when you get onto the edge, "the hair on your neck rises"? 21:33 there's way too much hair-raising stuff in nethack 21:33 Honestly, my biggest shock was that death is *instant* there. 21:33 not to mention the big flavor issue with a rogue who reaches the goal level and the hair on the back of their neck falls out, yet somehow the next time they're near a graveyard, IT'S BACK??? 0/10, literally unplayable 21:33 Surely one could fall for a while. Should be a few turns left to don an amulet of flying. 21:34 Hair tends to grow back pretty quickly aosdict :B 21:34 I can confirm. I'm thinking of shaving teh *back* of my neck, actually. 21:35 Oh, as a question - would levitation work in vlad's level? 21:35 yes 21:36 Surprising. 21:36 how so? 21:36 Not particularly 21:36 What are you levitating on? ;) 21:36 Levitation isn't contingent on having ground under you 21:36 nothing. you dont levitate *on* anything, you just levitate 21:36 otherwise you'd eat shit every hole or trapdoor you came across 21:37 or sink... 21:37 You'd eat shit anyway 21:37 because TDTTOE 21:37 Flight is just levitation but you can use stairs and pick up stuff 21:37 I say "just" 21:38 but as far as Evil Vlad's front door levitation is enough 21:39 Ok, I just imagine Vlad's level as "many levels deep", so deep, infact, it's bottomless. 21:39 And when you put on levitation, you don't go many levels up. 21:40 You just rise a bit. 21:40 But I guess levitation can mean "stays at the same height" - ie, you need a bit of leverage to get up, but you can't get down. 21:42 arahael's suggestion is actually really smart - you fall for a while, why not make it like slow-stoning? 21:42 arahael for prez 21:44 Yep, but I suspect it's not as easy to implement. 21:45 and i'm not willing to reduce the risk/danger factor 21:46 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 709 points, T:838, killed by a dwarf queen 21:46 ^^ One hit! 21:46 More than 23 HP in one hit, at AC -2. 21:47 Evil royalty don't play 21:47 Especially when they have a mithril pick. 21:48 Enchanted at that, most likely 21:49 Yeah, when I saw her, I bumped up my protection - I had protection spells. But it wasn't enough. One hit was all it took. 21:49 my kid saw red text all over my screen and said "wow, that's a lot of lava!" Was a bash colored error that took up the whole page. 21:50 heh 21:50 bouquet: He wasn't wrong. 21:51 red=bad 21:51 Unless you're in china. 21:59 YASI: fill half of Vlad's bottomless pit with lava 22:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 48 points, T:343, killed by a water moccasin 22:03 Go team fountain! 22:03 Or just more bats. ;) 22:04 Oh, one question I wanted to ask you K2, was whether it's a "good idea" to kill the oracle. 22:04 sure 22:04 There's a chance of infinite wishes, right? A very, very, very small chance, right? 22:04 infinite? no 22:04 very very very very small chance of getting one 22:05 *one*. Ah, interesting. 22:05 Where'd infinite come from lmfao 22:05 no idea 22:05 I assumed that the percentage applied each time. 22:05 Ie, you'd have to roll the 8-ball like, a thousand times, for another 0.01% chance of a wish, or something. 22:06 From the evilhack page: Confers warning when carried, and if it's blessed, there's a 0.001% chance that it will grant the user a wish when applied. 22:06 That wish is the only reason I'd consider it. 22:06 (Monks already have warning) 22:06 You destroy Vecna! Vecna's body crumbles into dust. As the remnants of Vecna's body vanish, you notice something was left behind... 22:07 Other things that are here: an eyeball named The Eye of Vecna (1 aum) 22:07 \o/ 22:08 Very nice. 22:09 🎊🥳 22:09 i dediced against a special case for decapitation, the things I tried didnt work well 22:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 356 points, T:871, killed by a jumping spider 22:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:2, killed by a cadaver 22:10 so its just a straight 25% chance vecna drops the eye when destroyed 22:10 Sounds reasonable. 22:11 What happens to the liches? 22:11 destroying vecna allows L and alhoon to be genocided 22:11 Nice. 22:12 until that happens... 22:12 What class of monsters do you wish to genocide? L 22:12 An ominous dark magic prevents you from genociding those creatures. 22:13 What monster do you want to genocide? [type the name] alhoon 22:13 An ominous dark magic prevents you from genociding alhoons. 22:13 i'll need to work in some rumors, drop some hints 22:14 what level is the vecna branch intended for? 22:14 maybe even make a new novel that discusses vecna 22:14 Mind if I paint the bikeshed a bit, and suggest maybe; "The voice of Vecna angerily says: You shall not genocide my followers". 22:14 i'm thinking about a portal in the VotD 22:14 K2: And maybe Vecna could then summon a L for you ;) 22:14 so somewhere between 14-20? 22:15 no, the votd 22:15 I mean player level 22:15 arahael: eh, vecna isn't a god 22:15 or maybe a portal in the first tier demon lord lair 22:15 aosdict: Wikipedia says Vecna's nearly one. 22:16 aosdict: depends on the setting. in certain d&d texts, vecna is very much a god 22:16 portal in the votd lets you hop there after a controlled levelport. which could be an interesting early strategy 22:16 but for nethack purposes, no 22:16 vecna isnt a god 22:16 Ok. :) Doesn't vecna meddle in some of those affairs, though? ;) 22:17 Mind if I paint the bikeshed a bit, and suggest maybe; "The voice of Vecna angerily says: You shall not genocide my followers". <--- that's a cool idea 22:18 K2: If you don't then summon L's in response, maybe the scroll should burn in a tower of flame? ;) 22:18 hah neat 22:18 summoning an L instead would be too evil i think. or if it did, just a regular lich 22:19 some players like to geno those early 22:19 If they geno them early, they'll learn early about those new rules. ;) 22:20 But perhaps a regular lich for early players - eg, with just 2 HP. 22:20 And right next to them. 22:20 i actually like the fire suggestion 22:20 that's some nice flavor 22:21 Would kill such early characters, though. 22:21 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 22:21 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest7663 22:21 -!- Guest7663 has quit [Killed (wilhelm.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 22:21 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 22:22 not necessarily 22:22 if you read a scroll of fire whilst confused, the damage is low 22:22 i could borrow that block of code 22:22 WHILST 22:23 if you're going to use that kind of language you need a monocle and top hat 22:23 * arahael beams. 22:24 YAEI (Yet Another Evil Idea): Master Kaen should be able to break boulders 22:24 Oh, definitely. 22:24 But he's already harder than the other quest nemesis. 22:24 (Even though I've never ever had a problem with Master Kaen.) 22:27 Does Kaen have all the monk resistances? 22:28 Don't know. 22:28 YAEI: He should. 22:28 But he's strong where the monk is strong. 22:28 Ie, he's the one monster I don't melee. 22:29 I tried once. Was lucky to escape. 22:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3391 points, T:4444, killed by an owlbear 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 269 points, T:733, burned by molten lava 22:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 227 points, T:516, killed by imitating a meat popsicle 22:46 how's this: 22:46 As you read the scroll, it disappears. 22:46 What monster do you want to genocide? [type the name] lich 22:46 The voice of Vecna fills your mind: "Thou shalt do no harm to liches whilst I exist!" 22:46 A dark magic catches the scroll on fire and you burn your hands. 22:46 ^ 1-3 hp of fire damage 22:47 Very nice. :) And makes it abundantly clear what Vecna's role is. 22:47 or if blessed geno 22:47 What class of monsters do you wish to genocide? L 22:47 The voice of Vecna fills your mind: "Thou shalt do no harm to my kind whilst I exist!" 22:47 A dark magic catches the scroll on fire and you burn your hands. 22:48 I still want to play as a (permanent) alhoon at some point. 22:48 yeah great suggestion arahael 22:50 I actually wondeered if you could become one by using the eye. 22:51 per lore, if you used it too often, it would outright kill you 22:51 and that can happen here too 22:51 if your luck gets too low 22:52 actually wait a tick 22:52 Does evilhack have polyinit stuff setup yet? 22:52 polyinit? 22:52 The thing that lets you start a game in a given form 22:52 Usually to play as any monster what tickles your fancy 22:53 Ah, interesting - never heard of it. 22:53 It's in the options 22:53 Speaking of, lemme start up my game 22:54 I'd expect aoei would've been all over it for speedrunning. 22:54 It'd be mostly for gimmicks and stuff, polyinit can be finnicky 22:54 also if you're looking I found one of those jail rooms on the floor above 22:55 Eh? 22:55 Umbire no i dont 22:55 That was directed at K2, my B 22:55 you were there for that bit arahael :B 22:55 K2: baw 22:56 Umbire: Possibly not in mind. ;) 22:57 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 22:58 Regular dwarf lady here, but she's incredibly brutal with her mithril pick. 22:58 Woah, and had a +4 dwarven boots. 22:58 Lucky you 22:58 https://ibb.co/LkCD1jb https://ibb.co/qBHJLWq 22:58 Nice start for the game. 22:59 Ha. 22:59 What's so interesting about the jails? 22:59 Just the first I've seen one is all 23:00 Ah. They're not uncommon :) 23:00 Not in evil, anyway. 23:00 Umbire: I once had an upstairs inside one. 23:00 As in, I went downstairs... And there was I, in the jail. 23:01 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:01 it appears YOU were the gay baby! 23:02 * arahael nods. 23:02 but yeah, I'd contemplated for a bit how to break the bars 23:02 Several ways. 23:02 not that I really need to unless that O has some sweet loot 23:02 acid's the easiest. 23:02 Naturally 23:02 But I think evil also added a bunch of other methods? 23:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a yeti corpse, on T:3705 23:03 Umbire: Yep, eg, a wand of striking. Doesn't always work, though - seems to depend on the type of bar. 23:04 Hm 23:06 More bars 23:07 Great, more zombies 23:07 the voice of vecna and the firey scroll and all that doesnt really fit if i had to to trying to genocide h and excluding alhoons 23:07 NO 23:07 Best tip I've ever had was wear a helm. 23:07 *fiery 23:07 one of my pets just got eaten I'm p. sure 23:08 ...sike, I forgot about grudge 23:08 Apparently something undead got ate 23:08 K2: Maybe if you're genociding 'h', "randomly" (not randomly) fail to select alhoons? 23:09 K2: Ie, they're never included, WHILST Vecna is alive? 23:10 when the routine selects alhoon, it stops and displays the message 23:11 i cleaned it up a bit, less spammy 23:12 Alhoons could be a bit special. Maybe just pretned it all works in that case, except if Alhoons were to have actually been genocided, just make it so that they're not? And "You feel that Alhoons survived their genocide". 23:13 Or make it so that they're quite simply not genocidable, but won't generate if Vecna is dead? 23:13 (L's remain genocidable only if Vecna is dead) 23:16 sounds like way too much work. i already have a solution in place 23:16 Yeah, fair. :) 23:16 Always a matter of getting the best bang for your buck, yeah? 23:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5602 23:23 K2: I was just realising that I actually _prefer_ it when the owner shows up with whatever artifact you're wishing for. 23:23 yay 23:23 K2: The reason is that they're a good source of usually quite good loot, including a bag. 23:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "asdfasdfasdfasdf", on T:5878 23:23 question - has anyone ever seen a lich wield an athame? 23:24 they can sometimes spawn with one, but i dont think AT_TUCH allows for using weapons 23:30 I don't tend to remember such things. :( 23:31 The worst thing about having +4 iron boots is that when you find mithril, you end up really prefering the regular old iron instead. 23:32 * arahael left the mithril on the floor. 23:35 yeah AT_TUCH, bleh 23:36 It's mostly master and arch-liches that spawn with athames 23:37 and even then super rarely 23:37 but yeah they don't use 'em 23:49 Hmm? A copper shield of reflection, just randomly generated in soko? 23:55 Luck sacked it 23:55 Take the w 23:55 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±11] https://git.io/JmryC 23:55 [EvilHack] k21971 abd1d4a - Kit out Vecna and Kas, other tweaks and adjustments.