03:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:18 K2: It probably _should_ be edible! 03:19 it is 03:19 if you eat it, its gonna hurt 03:19 eye of vecna is done, working on the sword of kas now 03:19 Kas will have a role to play in this quest branch 03:21 Very nice. I assume the sword is the only way to kill Vecna. 03:24 no 03:24 not every role is proficient with a two-handed sword 03:25 i could work it so the sword does extra damage to vecna 03:25 Not everyone is able to kill someone who is almost practically nearly a 'god'. 03:26 A monk, I guess, could repeatedly throw the sword. 03:26 he's powerful but not godlike. will be tough to kill 03:58 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:13 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±19] https://git.io/Jmvr3 04:13 [EvilHack] k21971 f0d1352 - New branch: Vecna's domain (part two) - artifacts, Kas (unique monster). 04:13 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/f0d135255a6060adbe82a095efdcfc402218866e 04:14 note to self - make the eye of vecna something your pet won't want to eat 04:18 hahah whoops, I forgot to add Kas to part of the vamp shifting routine 04:18 2nd note to self :) 04:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:49212 04:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:49213 04:20 good luck mobileuser 04:20 !lotg mobileuser 04:20 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, mobileuser! 04:20 gnite o/ 04:23 K2: If you're wearing the eye of vecna, nymphs and the like should be able to steal it. And if they steal it, the dungeons become 'dark', as you now have only one eye. 04:23 you cant wear it, its base item is food class 04:24 Pity. 04:24 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 04:24 this was how it was implemented in slash'em (eye of the beholder) and dnh 04:25 Those variants don't yet exist to me. ;) 04:25 maybe i can figure a way to make it wearable while still being eyeball-y and a food item 04:26 and once you 'put it on' its permanent, since you're supposed to be ripping out one eye to make room for it 04:26 Make it an eyepiece, and once put on, you become perma-blind, except the eye grants vision (or extra-vision)? 04:26 ugh but then you couldnt then wear a blindfold or towel 04:27 well maybe 04:27 "The towel irritates your eye of vecna. YOu take it off". 04:27 will need to think about this 04:27 ok gotta sleep 04:27 see you soon 04:28 Sleep well! Just suggesting you keep making evilhack unique instead of using the same ideas. :) 04:30 oh thx K2! 04:30 sleep well 04:39 what did I miss 04:39 Not much, just eye of vecna discussion. 04:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu) genocided electric eels, on T:49294 04:41 mobileuser: No more eel sushi for you! 04:45 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crossbow on an altar, on T:3028 04:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "asdfasdasdf", on T:3214 04:55 I wonder if you could do something epic on astral and read blessed scroll of light, invoke the eye, then read blessed scroll of fire 04:55 and just clear out a whole room with nukes 04:56 Feels too esoteric, surely? 04:56 And it's still an eye, should be vaguely related to vision, somehow. Maybe it's perm-monster-detection? 05:00 Will be interesting to see what K2 comes up with. :) 05:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3317 points, T:4748, killed by a white unicorn 05:01 Though at this rate, I'm not nearly going to be good enough to even *meet* vecna. :( 05:02 Got too cocky there iwth the unicorn. "Just one more hit". 05:23 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 05:25 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 05:27 -!- elenmirie___ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:30 are you gonna play evilhack till you ascend do you reckon? 05:30 Possibly. 05:31 Perhaps I'll be the 42nd person to ascend. 05:31 there's only been 16 players to ascend so that's pretty pessimistic lol 05:32 :) 05:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3280 points, T:2252, killed by a tiger 05:52 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:04 Hmm. Upskilled in martial arts *only* due to hitting nymphs all the time. 06:04 Such a long time on aphrodite level. 06:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3671 06:10 Hmm. Invisible Aphrodite has HP 57, and AC -12 06:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:49470 06:15 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a black naga hatchling corpse, on T:4295 06:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:4370 06:20 Why is a werewolf attacking me? I'm a were creature! 06:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3658 points, T:4385, killed by a wererat 06:24 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1184 points, T:462, killed by a mastodon 06:25 *while stunned*. Didn't get the opportunity to run. :( 06:30 :( 06:30 is aphrodite dangerous if you're fully nude? 06:30 like can you drop all your stuff on the previous level and just blaze it in there? 06:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 3951799 points, T:49489, ascended 06:32 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1615212620.evil.html 06:38 amateurhour: That's what I did, but eventually gave up. 06:38 amateurhour: There's the odd monster, but generally it's just nymphs. 06:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Con Hob Mal Cha), 65 points, T:66, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 06:51 Hmm. A wish. I never know which is better: dragonbane, or ring of p'hul. 06:51 Dragonbane gives reflection, but p'hul gives MR and free action. But could disintegrate without reflection. 06:53 K2: For extra evilness, the Eye of Vecna should rot normally like a corpse, so you can't dilly dally after obtaining it, you have to decide whether or not to use it NOW after killing him 06:54 * arahael goes for dragonbane. As a monk, it's just so good. 06:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "+2 blessed fixed dragonbane", on T:2320 06:54 Hmpf. Came with the owner. 07:06 Woohoo! Killed Pat. 07:14 nice! 07:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 636 points, T:1148, zombified by a hobbit zombie 07:14 It was a very close thing. 07:15 Had to go down and level up a bit first. 07:15 But it was worth it - good thing about NPC's is that they usually have a bag. 07:15 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:17 And the extra AC afforded by these gloves usually mean that it's far more likely I'll get a good game out of this. 07:19 yeah, monks have a harder time getting good AC 07:20 now you can more freely do that monk thing of just punching everything and hoping they die before you do ;-) 07:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4654 07:23 mobileuser: Absolutely! 07:29 EvilBot: I seem to have picked up the luckstone. Why are you silent? :D 07:30 too busy crying about eating meat 07:31 amateurhour: In one of my neighbouring countries, fish is literally vegetarian. 07:31 Ok, found "the" luckstone. Seems this mines end had two of them. 07:32 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 07:32 why is what is and isn't vegetarian determined by the government? 07:36 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:36 plenty of fish hypocrisy worldwide really 07:37 so many people like... "I can't eat meat for Lent, can't wait until the Friday fish fry!" 07:38 Yeah, well, that country is vietnam, and it's generally a case of "for religious/health reasons, we don't eat meat one day each week." 07:38 And that's conflated with "vegetarian". 07:39 so it's more cultural than legal 07:39 my cousin was pescatarian for a while 07:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 1218 points, T:1653, killed by a soldier ant 07:43 aosdict: Indeed. 08:07 Woo! And pat's bag is oilskin. 08:07 That could be very useful - they can be fully submerged, right, and still don't get wet? Eg, I can go swimming with this, right? 08:09 yeah that's right 08:09 a sack can be handy to blank potions/scrolls 08:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 54 points, T:194, killed by a fox 08:11 heh bloody pet dog wouldn't swap places 08:11 twice 08:11 shame, that one had good starting stats 08:13 wow next one starts with St:18/02, how is that even possible 08:14 plus a tin of spinach, lol 08:14 I've had that :D 08:14 And 1 whole gold piece! 08:14 rofl 08:21 heh 08:21 congrats mobileuser 08:22 arahael - if the EoV were rottable, it would be a very short-lived artifact and no one would go to the trouble to try and get it 08:23 K2: Wasn't my idea - but if it were rottable, you'd want to sustain it as quickly as you can, eg, by putting it in your head. ;) 08:23 thx K2! 08:24 oh that was aosdict 08:24 there's too many a's here 08:25 K2: We call ourselves "team a" here. 08:25 aosdict, change your name to 'chaosdict' 08:25 That would cause him to leave the team. 08:25 Bah. I'm on the wrong side of the big room. :( (The underside) 08:26 Normally fine, except I have no MR, and no unicorn horn. 08:26 So feels a bit dangerious. 08:26 congrats on ascension mobileuser 08:26 \o/ thx! 08:27 despite K2 scamming me out of dragonbane :b 08:28 how so 08:28 Wraiths can walk on lava!? 08:29 rebatela: There was a dragonbane bug. 08:30 wraiths fly 08:31 K2: yeah the idea was that if it's an artifact that you use permanently anyway, you gotta use it soon after obtaining it, or it expires 08:31 it wouldn't rot after being inserted into your head 08:32 ah i see 08:33 so you have a couple hundred turns to decide f you want to rip out an eye and put in the EoV 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ogre lord, on T:4879 08:34 rebatela I was hit by a bug when I was punching black dragons 08:34 K2: Ah, so that's why the wraith was above the lava. 08:34 dragonbane went poof when I reloaded 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 5359 points, T:5044, killed by a gargoyle, while praying 08:35 oh i didn't think it was a good idea to punch black dragons? 08:35 rebatela: Why not? :D 08:35 dragonbane is immune to disintegration 08:35 * arahael punches *everything*. 08:35 well i always play weaponless and i just never do that regardless of the gloves 08:36 well apparently it wasn't? lol 08:36 rebatela: It didn't disintegrate when mobileuser punched it. 08:36 oic 08:36 so in the future i can punch black dragons with dragonbane? 08:36 but not any other dragonhide gloves right? 08:36 yeah, should be safe now 08:37 only dragonbane 08:37 because it's DRAGONbane :-) 08:37 i vaguely remember him making dragonbane immune to it 08:37 yeah i don't think it was originally though, like way way back 08:37 that's right 08:38 I think I suggested to make it disintegration proof... 08:38 sounds right 08:38 that's weird that i haven't tried it .I just forgot. Because I often have dragonbane and am in that situation! 08:39 just one more reason the artifact rocks 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 08:42 it was made immune but there was a bug that's since been corrected 08:47 K2: Dragonbane has feelings, why do you call it "it"? I reckon it's a "she". 08:47 and you fixed a number of passive resistance bugs at the same time K2 08:47 yes 08:47 * arahael caresses her dragonbane. 08:47 so monks, watch out when punching stuff ;-) 08:47 your leather gloves can burn 08:48 Wasn't that already the case? 08:48 not against a monsters passive attack, no 08:49 Ah, interesting. 08:49 eg punch a fire elemental, your gloves could get burned 08:50 Makes sense. 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5777 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6404 09:32 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 09:38 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:48 Koa eats an eyeball named The Eye of Vecna (1 aum). 09:48 hahahah 09:48 she didnt eat it outright 09:49 only when she was hungry 09:49 hmm, do I let that stand... 09:54 rofl 09:54 that's dogs for you 09:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:9726 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:11578 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 1347 points, T:2113, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted dwarf lord 10:31 "Thy audience hath been summoned, Dame!" 10:32 o an orc (hobgoblin) [seen: normal vision, infravision] 10:35 k2: vorpal blade doesn't seem to burn elves 10:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1556 10:46 vorpal blade didn't burn me when I played an elf 10:50 what is vorpal blade made of then? 10:50 good question... 10:51 it's made of vorpal. duh. 10:57 it definitely did at some point, does it just have random longsword material? 10:57 I remember K2 made a fix for reporting material damage at same time as decapitation 10:57 I don't understand how material gets set in artilist.h 10:58 I don't think it gets set there 10:58 artilist.h doesn't contain executable code 10:58 yeah but I think mobi was expecting a material field 10:58 to ensure an artifact is always of a particular material 10:58 ^that 10:59 I did it in do_name.c, however you're right that artilist.h is probably a better place 10:59 I think I put it aside as a future not-really-necessary enhancement 11:00 I WILL find it :-) 11:01 do_name.c like you said 11:01 in dnh artilist.h was moved to a c file so there'd be conceptually one instance instead of it being included in a lot of places 11:03 yeah why is it a h file in vanilla again? 11:03 is there some good reason for that? 11:03 for makedefs? 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 408 points, T:1251, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 11:04 Vorpal Blade is not mentioned in do_name.c, so it must be the default long sword material. So, iron? 11:05 can it be generated with any? 11:05 uhhh? https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/do_name.c#L1381 11:05 ah steel 11:06 ah ok 11:06 glorious nippon steel folded over 1000 times 11:06 shame you can't get a silver one 11:06 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/a1f38329c339a63d17f4b9df674c1a1de2b8c316/src/do_name.c 11:06 where are you getting steel from 11:06 it's METAL 11:07 isn't that the internal name for steel? 11:07 I am confused 11:07 what is the link I posted then 11:07 "feb 9, 2020" 11:07 not current master branch 11:07 ah right, did not exist in older version 11:08 thx 11:08 in dnh excalibur keeps its material when made, and it's epic 11:08 and obj props 11:08 steel being METAL is silly. just rename the constant at this point 11:08 * amateurhour drools 11:08 it also means there's no more tin whistles and such, they're all steel 11:09 why are they pea whistles in evilhack 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:17127 11:24 because they're not necessarily made of tin 11:30 good point 11:30 I always found it funny we couldn't distinguish tin whistles from magic whistles, because there's an instrument called tin whistle 11:33 just make a new material, tin 11:34 and yeah METAL should prob jusy be STEEL. its not a priority right now though 11:34 *just 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 5286 points, T:2235, killed by a python 11:36 find . -type f -name '*.[ch]' -exec sed s/\\bMETAL\\b/STEEL/g -i {} \; 11:36 done 11:38 yeah 11:38 METAL doesnt show up in too many places thankfully 11:38 mostly objects.c 11:38 that literally does it^ 11:38 avoids breaking HI_METAL etc 11:39 hugs 11:39 idk if HI_METAL should be HI_STEEL but I didn't touch it 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:20687 11:51 nah that's prob fine 12:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1208 points, T:1655, killed by a gnome king 12:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1075 points, T:3002, killed by an owlbear 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law), 648 points, T:336, killed by a ball of cold, while being terrified of a ghost 12:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 558 points, T:1162, killed by an ape 12:15 steel is anachronistic! 12:21 so are electric lanterns, credit cards, and magic markers 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 561 points, T:881, killed by a dwarf 12:47 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 13:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5573 13:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Inf Orc Mal Una), 476 points, T:643, killed by a brown mold 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 377 points, T:785, killed by Yeenoghu, while being terrified of a demon 13:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:10719 13:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a club entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:13208 14:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 22930 points, T:15186, killed by a dwarvish soldier 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonbane", on T:24941 14:15 fountain wish w00t 14:15 now i can melee black dragons 14:15 gratz! 14:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] joes (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 2516 points, T:3278, drowned in a moat 14:31 can i punch a gray dragon with dragonbane too? 14:31 sure 14:32 will things get cancelled? yup 14:32 well fuck josh the samurai 14:32 his samurai sword vapourized my ring of warning 14:32 i had to kill him after that 14:33 damn you josh 14:33 first time anything like that has happened 14:34 usually it's their goddam dragon scale mail 14:34 i think its 1 in 8 odds a player monster will spawn with a weapon with an obj prop on it 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:69056 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:69062 14:34 also elven wizards keep cursing my stuff. another problem i've not had in the past 14:35 in the interests of balance, there should exist the spellbook of curse the other guy's shit 14:38 heh 14:38 i curse you! 14:39 first i point around 14:39 then i curse you 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:28092 14:46 -!- rebatela has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Gia Fem Neu), 2055 points, T:2081, killed by a watchman 14:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:10053 14:47 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:01 aphrodite on level 5, mines blocked, still AC 10 15:02 EasyBabyHack 15:02 and yet somehow through sheer force of will you'll still ascend 15:06 you know 'easybabyhack' is unnethack right? :) 15:06 can't confirm, I am an adult baby and i died in unnethack earlier 15:13 empiric evidence, best evidence 15:19 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±6] https://git.io/JmcL8 15:19 [EvilHack] k21971 0877011 - Fix: Kas not flagged as a vampshifter, pets would eat the Eye of Vecna. 15:21 denying pets tasty treats :( 15:24 no eyeball for you 15:25 i dont think invoking the eye will harm all monsters on the level. it should just be what the player could see (within xray vision range) 15:25 still pretty damn useful if you're surrounded and in a bind 15:25 or if you dont give a flip about your luck or alignment 15:28 ah no not even xray range 15:28 couldsee(mon) still takes walls and such into account 15:28 that's fair 15:29 couldsee(mx, my) 15:30 noone uses it in slashem 15:30 well maybe someone does 15:30 noone really plays slashem :P 15:30 heh 15:31 in slash'em its the 'eye of the beholder' 15:31 yeah 15:31 i think dnh has the actual EoV 15:31 almost everyone gets that because the neutral quest is the easiest and you likely have to do at least 2 15:31 I don't think it does 15:31 oh? 15:31 don't think it has the hand or the eye 15:32 doesn't have vecna either 15:32 it has vecna 15:32 #define PM_VECNA 409 15:32 pm.h 15:33 mon.c 4530: if(mdat->mtyp != PM_VECNA && mdat->mtyp != PM_LICH__THE_FIEND_OF_EARTH) return FALSE; /*Vecna leaves his hand or eye*/ 15:33 i'm not looking at full context tho 15:33 maybe its wrapped in #if 0 #endif 15:34 i dont see vecna in monst.c 15:34 oh there it is 15:34 line 3845 15:34 where can one find them in-game though? 15:35 no idea 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (rust monsters), on T:1881 16:05 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:13 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:29944 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:30982 16:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2270 points, T:4186, killed by a piranha 16:36 bleh beartrap and piranha shows up 16:36 F 16:36 wouldn't even flee after a snap with the camera 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3174 points, T:3111, killed by a gnome lord 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] potato (Hea Elf Fem Neu), 141 points, T:331, killed by a sewer rat 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:34380 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34384 16:46 ahh he was wearing cloak of mr 16:46 \o/ nice rebatela 16:47 tried to zap him with wand of death or something? 16:49 That's my guess 16:56 how do you usually kill them when they spawn with MR rebatela? 16:56 no i was casting magic missile 16:56 but it took WAY more than if he had robe 17:00 ah, monsters take some damage from magic missile even with MR 17:01 (justice) 17:32 hmm. wonder what my chances of using my wand of polymorph and a single amulet to make an amulet of MR. 17:34 Hi arahael 17:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 437 points, T:1682, killed by a dart 17:37 Umbire: howdy. 17:37 How's you 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible dbanethacker's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:4349 17:38 arahael: very low 17:39 Umbire: i'm good, currently playing evil on an ipad. 17:39 via hterm, I assume? 17:39 mobileuser: pity :( 17:39 Umbire: via "blink". 17:40 ...whazzat o: 17:40 Umbire: a commercial term that also supports mosh natively. pretty good. 17:41 oo 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Fem Neu) killed the invisible Tiamat, on T:37937 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37940 17:45 nice hothraxxa! 17:45 sceptre of might 17:47 i suppose i am probably better off getting either the "tool" or the "armour" and getting MR from the quest. i might randomly find some other source of MR before i get to rodney. 17:48 what role/race arahael? 17:48 rebatela: monk. 17:48 human. 17:48 i am hinking the "tool" - i dont have either a boh nor a magic marker. and i already have dragonbane. 17:49 yeah if i don't have a bag of holding, that makes it easier to go for tool 17:49 i've been going for amulet lately 17:50 although i play a giant a lot. can't wear cloak of mr obviously 17:50 i usually go for amulet, but 50/50 for mr is a bit difficult. 17:50 human and you don't have a bag? tool 17:50 i have an oilskin bag. 17:50 depends really... monks can get mr from quest if you can level up 17:50 and dragonbane. 17:51 and yeah. i will need another mr before rodney, but thats ages away and i never survived that long anyway. 17:52 best for monk is having both eyes (and dragonbane) if you can swing it 17:52 having both eyes is indeed awesome. 17:52 i love having eota for spellcasting but some people don't like wishing for quest artifacts 17:52 i'm not one of those people ;) 17:52 me neiher ;) 17:52 neferet is at the top of soko in my game... i still need to kill her 17:52 i once used hree wishes to get eota. 17:53 *three. 17:53 yeah i have as well 17:53 ipad keyboard sucks. 17:53 artifacts are wortht he wishes... you don't really NEED wishes in evil 17:53 like regular wishes you can sorta find all that stuff 17:54 except markers obviously but i am used to not having markers... 17:54 yeah. magic marker would be nice. 17:55 there's one in moloch's... 17:55 thats a bit far. 17:56 i think i'll do quest first. i badly need to find a priest and buy some protection. have 4k gold. (which is no-longer enough). 17:57 hmm, on the other hand... even an amulet of reflection would be very good poly fodder - might get mr. 17:58 * arahael wonders what a random fully-grown orange dragon is doing in soko. 17:59 i've found 3 of those damn amulets (mr) now that i don't need one 17:59 i want flying or something 17:59 too bad no swap chest ! 17:59 a swapchest would be awesome. 17:59 just the one in the valley. 18:00 was a chameleon. ;) 18:01 yeah i was going to say chameleon 18:02 left the soko prizes behind. 18:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a gremlin, on T:11162 18:08 yeah.. i mean if you don't need one 18:08 decided to become a gremlin? 18:08 might want that mr! lol 18:10 damn genetic engineer :( 18:11 travelled to the downstairs. turned out there was a genetic engineer on the way. 18:12 had to melee it. got polyed like 5 times, including getting polyed back into a human. 18:13 is that what they do? a poly attack? 18:13 aren't they in vanilla now? 18:13 that's scary 18:13 i know i've fought them, but i must have had mr 18:14 thats what they do. 18:20 Yeah, MR blocks the poly attack 18:27 MR is super useful. 18:28 i'm going back for the amulet now, decided i'll be polyinh for it anyway. 18:28 so my odds of getting MR should be a bit higher than 50% all up. 18:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:12195 18:35 woohoo! 18:36 congrats! 18:36 yay! 18:37 \o/ 18:39 that'll be good until i get to do the quest... and then will be essential again later with rodney. perfect outcome. 18:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:53 nice arahael! 18:54 yeah i did same in my game.. had dragonbane, went for cloak, held me over until i did quest 18:54 not looking forward to fighting neferet lol 18:54 yeah, robe is just too good for monks though. 18:54 whoops i meant to say i went for amulet 18:54 yeahl.. fuck yeah robe for monks 18:55 rebatela how would you take on rodney if he had MR or reflection? 18:55 i'm a giant tho 18:55 wearing a thoroughly burnt one at the moment. 18:55 melee 18:55 just don't let it get burned all the way away! 18:55 that's been happening to me lately 18:55 is that in the new version or now amateurhour? 18:55 quest will have another, and there is another robe in the game... somewhere... 18:55 he has a chance of a cloak i've heard 18:55 not right now, it'll be in 0.7 18:55 ok 18:56 50% chance of one of amulet of MR or reflection 18:56 oh wow 18:56 that's pretty nuts 18:56 damn 18:56 i said melee but that is a whole bunch of 1/20 chances to steal an artifact, and I often (always) rely on them for mr 18:57 sounding like this game will be harder... 18:57 not sure what I'd do, I usually use the eyes for MR and zap wand of death 18:57 now all i need is a unicorn horn. 18:57 right and now if you're standing there swatting him with martial arts, he is going to steal the eyes... 18:57 might be tempted to try sliming them I guess if I'd already lost polyless 18:57 like that tactic people do to ascend without killing rodney 18:57 i've had him steal my mr artifact many times 18:57 and the amulet etc (in evil) 18:58 makes it fun... 18:58 yeah, I've only ever had him steal the eyes once, after 5 wand of death zaps missed 18:58 I died that time :P 18:58 but did he have mr? or just bad luck ? 18:58 just bad luck 18:58 5 times sheesh 18:58 that was in vanilla 18:58 that can happen though 18:58 whew finally 18:59 my very first time ascending 3.6 (where he can steal a role that isn't yours artifact) he stole PYEC from me 18:59 and then not only did i have MR but now HE did 18:59 yikes 18:59 were you a monk or a tourist? 18:59 priest 18:59 was easy enough to prevent class L from being genocided (via blessed geno scroll) until Vecna was destroyed, took me a bit to figure out how to allow class h but exclude alhoons 18:59 this is a long long time ago 18:59 ah right 19:00 i don't remember what i did, but i ascended. but I know i tried zapping death a few times to no avail before i realized what had happened 19:00 might have wished for a c corpse 19:00 ahh vanilla 19:01 I've never had a good time meleeing rodney with martial arts in vanilla, but not tried in 3.7 19:01 oh i've done it 19:01 i'm more worried about neferet than rodney/kaen etc 19:02 maybe i can read a boulder fort 19:02 because of the flesh to stone spell? 19:02 but i'm pretty sure she'll have reflection 19:03 am I confusing variants again 19:05 hehe im casting magic missile from a boulder fort but she keeps healing herself 19:05 unlimited PW for monsters huh? 19:05 i mean, will she just heal herself forever? 19:06 can you zap sleep? 19:07 she resisted the wand. i can try casting 19:08 65% chance of resisting approx 19:08 for wand 19:09 hmm, and my mithril boots are "thoroughly deteriorated" 19:09 she keeps resisting spell and wand 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the invisible Neferet the Green, on T:39965 19:10 and she had a load stone on her... I don't get it... Unlimited PW, can walk around with loadstones. must be nice 19:12 so NOW i have both eyes and dragonbane :) 19:13 hax 19:13 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:22 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/JmW1c 19:22 [EvilHack] k21971 d322191 - Cover all the bases for lich/alhoon genocide prevention while Vecna exists, switch Vecna's gaze attack to a death gaze. 19:24 do you get the ability to do death gazes if you wear the eye of vecna? 19:25 if looks could kill... 19:27 you cant 'wear' it 19:27 you know what he means 19:28 i'm not sure how much a of a pain it would be to try and make a food item a wearable object 19:28 cmon the question is does the player get to use it to death gaze things 19:28 invoking it does a serious amount of damage to any living creature within visual range 19:29 i should tweak it so it acts like AD_DETH 19:29 medusa-3: "EAT THIS YA BIRDS!" bang 19:29 right now it's modelled off of how it's done in slash'em 19:29 are gain ability potions more rare in evil? 19:29 no 19:29 yes they 19:29 are 19:29 no 19:29 anecdotally 19:29 so they must be 19:29 liar 19:29 ;) 19:29 artifact hax 19:30 whats that mean 19:30 hax, artifacts 19:30 you have both eyes and dragonbane. hax 19:30 you talking about my trick with neferet? 19:30 don't nerf it lol 19:30 what trick exactly 19:30 it's hard to get both eyes with the artifact creation and all (and dragonbane!) 19:30 not really a trick 19:31 but sometimes i wish her into the game and create the artifact and then go back and fight 19:31 oh 19:31 thats fine, valid strat 19:31 K2: sounds about right :j 19:31 :) 19:31 it can backfire... 19:31 you still have to be prepared 19:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7523 19:32 i wouldn't wish for eota without mr... and in vanilla a lot of times i'm wishing for it for that very reason 19:32 didn't someone wish for magicbane and get finger of death'd? 19:32 bouquet i think? 19:35 somtiems i am afraid to discuss strategy on here while l3 is around... (which is always lol) 19:36 so i will dm mobileuser/hothraxxa/arahael etc... we keep secrets k2 19:36 evil nethack secrets... 19:37 haha :) 19:37 in all seriousness i have a question about strategy right now 19:37 we gotta keep finding those bugs. 19:38 F that... mobileuser keeps discovering bugs that are screwing me ! see invisible and now this passive attack bs 19:38 plenty of spare gloves in the game. 19:38 i have a see invisible ring this run though 19:38 well i have dragonbane now so not worried asbout it 19:38 but my leather gloves got all burnt up on a baby red dragon 19:41 we should have a separate channel for the vanilla secrets. 19:44 rofl 19:44 you cant hide ttyrecs so... 19:45 heh 19:45 not that i have time to watch em anyways 19:49 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:04 k2 watches ttyrecs like bill belichick watching game film 20:04 ok i'll ask my soon to be nerfed question, if only to prove a point 20:04 I know you can't cursed teleport out of the VOTD until you kill that dog, right? 20:04 what about the eye? do i have to kill the dog? 20:05 i think it works without killing the dog 20:05 I could be way wrong though 20:09 Is Vecna in the *valley*? 20:14 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 20:14 i need charging.. that's really the only thing 20:14 don't want to wish for it. hopefully i'll find it or can polypile or something 20:14 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest39516 20:14 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 20:14 So what was your question about. 20:15 heh. if the eota works in the vallye pre-killing cerebrus 20:16 * arahael already has charging. 20:16 Only one, though. 20:16 i need unholy water ttoo 20:16 dipped all the fountains 20:16 -!- Guest39516 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:16 need to do the remove curse bs 20:17 * arahael has that too. ;) 20:25 Did you get your answer. 20:25 no i'm on my way 20:25 i'll let y'all know 20:26 ok how come my attacks sometimes only pass harmlessly through ghosts/spectrres? 20:26 some games i can hit them with martial arts 20:27 but like right now i'm surrounded by them in the valley and cannot hit 20:27 grandmaster 20:28 but anyway, the answer is that the eye works (for now ;) ) 20:36 no altars in this dungeon but minetown kinda sucks 20:36 i like praying on altars 20:36 i guess i can convert the quest one 20:37 rebatela: You need a blessed weapon - or blessed gloves. 20:38 Or blessed boots... 20:43 ahhh my dragonbane is not blessed 20:44 definitely time for this mind flayer shop keep to go though... 20:45 10x prices and all... maybe i'll just rob him 20:45 so now my stuff is blessed. that's awesome to know. thank you! 20:46 i couldn't put my finger on why i could hit them sometmies and not others 20:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) stole 14367 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Inniscrone's second-hand bookstore, on T:41091 20:46 case in point 20:46 14367? 20:46 his prices were a bit steep, no? 20:46 That's mindflayers for you, they hate everyone who isn't them. 20:47 Also yeah, you need blessed or bone stuff to hit ghosts now. 20:49 yeah blessed worked 20:49 thanks 20:50 i really didn't know and it was becoming a problem! 20:50 but yeah you can totally eye out of the valley... i've been having more luck just kiting them to the level above lately though 20:51 assuming it's not a no corpse level like medusa 20:52 and i'm not invisible 20:52 can't wear mummy wrap as a giant 20:52 so that makes it nearly impossible to get the wraiths to follow if you're invis 20:52 i like getting to lvl 30 for the magic missile damage... 21:02 i'm going to go altar camp in minetown for like 20k turns 21:03 best way for giant to get AC 21:03 Wish for a marker, and enchant the helm, boots, and gloves. 21:03 just pray and pray. the first one i ascended had +20... 21:04 the EotA works on the VotD, you just cant go down further into actual gehennom until you kill cerberus 21:04 i'm debating mithril HoB or dragonhide elven. it would be nice to find one (or both) 21:04 gloves and boots are already set and wand is 0:1 (just no charging) 21:04 and you cant branchport to a place you've never been before 21:05 i was just wondering about branchprting back to soko 21:05 it worked fine 21:06 why wouldnt it 21:06 cerberus doesnt care if you leave, just that you cant enter hell 21:07 rebatela: Surprised you didn't find a mithril helm in the mines or the castle. Those are always common for me. 21:09 of brilliance? 21:10 i haven't explored the barracks or whatever at the castle actually 21:10 the armory 21:10 whatever they are called 21:10 where the dragons are 21:10 Armory is correct, yes. 21:10 k2: i was told you can't cursed teleport out of the valley until you kill cerebrus 21:11 and i've found that to be true 21:11 you can, however branchport with the first gaggle of wraithie you encounter 21:11 yup 21:11 awesome 21:11 in vanilla you can curse tele from votd to a lower level in hell 21:12 i don't like that 21:12 i've never even tried that 21:12 there's no need to supress branchporting because you cant branchport to somewhere you've never been 21:12 suppress 21:13 Cursed tele between branches requires you go to the Valley first anyway 21:13 Since it and Gehennom technically aren't part of the main dungeon 21:13 (and it's for sure coded that way as well) 21:16 i still don't get it 21:16 but not complaining... getiting the eye as a non-wizard is a challenge 21:17 rebatela: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Valley_of_the_Dead 21:17 the point is that the player has to defeat cerberus to enter hell 21:18 i closed off the loopholes getting around cerberus without killing him first 21:19 ^ 21:19 Basically all it is. 21:19 although looking back at how I did it, i could do it more betterly 21:20 just don't change the shit... it's fine 21:20 i mean the way its handled 21:21 its a bit of a resource hog to scan all monsters on the level to check and see if cerberus exists 21:21 would be better to set up a bitfield 21:23 lemme level up to 30 before you fix it- thanks 21:31 easier to just kite them anyway 21:34 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 21:36 rebatela there's nothing to fix 21:36 its not broken, there's just a better way code-wise to get the same result 21:39 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:45 any change I make can't go into current version anyways, it would savebreak 21:54 when is the drop? 21:54 6/1? 22:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a weredemon, on T:42501 22:10 ugh 22:10 oh well no robe to lose right? 22:12 you feel purified. phew 22:12 losing the robe really is the big the thing 22:25 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 16411 points, T:12418, killed by a mumak 22:26 Ow. 22:30 K2: even if there were a thousand monsters on the level, it isnt that big a deal to scan them all, surely? 22:31 K2: that would be preferable to a bitfield that has the opportunity for a hard to track bug? 22:31 not really (first question) 22:31 server is plenty fast 22:32 I'm about to commit the change, you'll see the pro's to doing it s a bitfield hopefully 22:32 plus it makes it easy to set up a specific achievement for killing cerberus 22:32 a bitfield is additional state, and isnt a source of truth... 22:32 ah, for an achievement thing, that does make sense. 22:33 bitfield for an event (and secondary, for an achievement) 22:33 didnt need to do the later but while I was in there, why not 22:33 what if you ressurrect cerebus? ;) 22:34 Does it even leave a corpse TO resurrect? 22:35 i think so. 22:35 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±14] https://git.io/JmBZG 22:35 [EvilHack] k21971 df74ead - Refactor tracking Cerberus alive/dead state for opening up Gehennom. 22:36 you can resurrect him all you want. old method, if you did, technically gehennom would be closed again 22:36 not with your bitfield! 22:36 correct :) 22:38 could be be made tame after ressurection? would be an interesting feature 22:39 oooh no 22:39 way too OP as a pet 22:39 Peaceful, rather? 22:39 cant tame uniques anyway 22:40 you can tame some 22:40 eg, pegasus 22:40 and pegasus is a freaking awesome pet 22:40 even though there's only one pegasus in the game, its not flagged as G_UNIQ 22:41 thanks, it was fun to create 22:41 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:42 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 22:42 does that mean we could rev-genocide pegasuses? 22:43 good question 22:43 i dont think so, but i'll confirm 22:44 As you read the scroll, it disappears. 22:44 What monster do you want to genocide? [type the name] pegasus 22:44 A thunderous voice booms through the caverns: "No, mortal! That will not be done." 22:44 ^ cursed 22:44 ah yeah, i didnt add G_GENO flag 22:44 past me was trackin 22:45 * arahael is disappointed ;) 22:45 heh 22:46 I've been thinking of adding a formal "monster lord" page to the NetHack wiki 22:47 Mostly to cover the M2_LORD tags and like 22:47 mostly affects NPC multishot for clarification, likely also relevant to throne rooming somehow 22:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu), 22140 points, T:9930, poisoned by an orcish arrow 23:29 man, i need polymorph 23:30 wish for spellbook? i also need charging. maybew just wish for charigng and charge wands. i hate wishing for charging 23:30 clear valley and hopefully find charging 23:30 do y'all wish for charging? 23:36 Depends 23:36 I'm still on my first game, might continue it tonight 23:36 but in that game I had an RNG wand of wishing, I think I didn't bother with charging there 23:36 in evil? 23:37 Mhm 23:37 i've had a few 23:37 RNG wands are precharged 23:37 yep 23:37 Castle wand isn't 23:37 Which one's yours? 23:37 my first one i didn't know and tried to charge 23:37 kaboom 23:37 didn't even get a wish 23:41 maybe wish for PYEC and then charge the poly wands 23:41 but 3 artifacts created... and if then i have no wishes if i don't get (at 0:1 now) 23:41 oh 4 nvm 23:41 oh no 3... hmmmm 23:44 How urgent is it that you charge the poly wands? 23:44 Because if it's urgent then blessed charging would make more sense compared to the PYEC anyway 23:48 hmmmm PYEC won't help me blessed charge the wand 23:48 i guess i will clear valley and reasses.. i hate wishing for charging 23:49 It's still the preferable choice if you don't find a scroll 23:49 5 wishes left. i don't really "need" anything 23:49 Only Tourists can get blessed charging out of the Card anyhow 23:50 exactly 23:50 but i could charge the poly wands and get charging scroll 23:50 eventually i will get it from polypiling