00:45 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 00:49 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:56 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1192 points, T:2096, killed by a piranha, while praying 01:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (rust monsters), on T:555 02:09 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:43 Blegh. Found a random silver greyswandir. 02:51 not good? 02:52 playing monk? 02:58 Yep 03:00 It is possible to unlock the skill at crowning, although it is a bit complicated 03:02 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:02 By that point, I'd be grand master. 03:02 So arguably not much point. 03:03 aosdict: 2ae7cf02e that commit shows that there is no intention of introducing different coin types. although technically, this would still allow to change the base material of the one coin object ;-) 03:03 you play weaponless monk? 03:04 mobileuser: Not really, but I rarely use weapons as a monk. 03:05 fair enough, just mentioned it in case you wanted to use gray much later in gehennom 03:06 Hmm, well, it _is_ a silver weapon, and a good one. 03:06 :-) 03:10 you would need to already know the restore ability spell, not have the spellbook in open invent and wield a non-artifact saber. 03:11 Convoluted. :) 03:11 I'd prefer to wish up a silver glove or something. 03:12 yeah, aoei had to explain it to me like 10 times 03:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 5998 points, T:2062, killed by a vampire bat, while fainted from lack of food 03:13 Well, that was sad. 03:15 rip :-( 03:18 does pick-axing a door make noise in evilhack? 03:18 I thought I learned from luxi that in vanilla it doesn't 03:19 pick-axed the evilhack sokoban door. I have stealth, but they have woken up. 03:21 Who is Lola!? 03:21 huh? 03:21 mobileuser: i also had to read the source code many times to understand what it was actually doing lol 03:21 > You kill Lola! 03:22 you bastard! 03:22 :-) 03:22 bones level? 03:22 mobileuser: Just found your ghost! 03:22 \o/ 03:22 kill it! 03:22 Oh dear... And nabru... 03:22 mines? 03:23 No... 03:23 curious 03:23 Dlvl 4, too. 03:23 With the amulet of yendor, too. Extremely curious. 03:24 must be a fake amulet 03:24 aoei, thx again for your patience ;-) 03:24 It certainly would be now, but it's curious and I'm thinking I need to get the heck out. No idea why it's a double-bones, though... THe dungeon description doesn't mention you. 03:24 Only mentions Nabru. 03:25 checking my recent games... 03:25 mobileuser: i am terrible and you are just being nice 03:25 but i appreciate it 03:25 <3 03:25 <3 03:26 I died at level 4 recently, but I never saw nabru 03:26 but maybe they arrived later 03:26 What killed you? 03:26 I named Sting 03:26 Nabru was killed by a Grey-elf. 03:26 yeah 03:27 naming Sting created them 03:27 Who has hit me, I can't fight him yet. 03:27 Oh? 03:27 Naming Sting creates them? 03:27 yeah. surprise! 03:27 named Sting, then I was dead 03:28 Found your stash, you two were *very* close to each other. 03:28 Hmm, and I have clear potions that aren't stacking! Awesome. 03:29 That amulet of yendor is a mystery, though. 03:29 well if nabru was an infidel... 03:29 I'm thinking that's likely. 03:29 Would an infidel's bones tend to be blessed, I wonder? ;) 03:30 nah :-) 03:31 Heh, was worth a thought. 03:31 Your bag has stuff in it, don't know if it's a BoH, though... 03:34 Stupid zombie on the same level. My Int is currently l6. 03:34 *6 03:34 just a sack 03:34 Ah, nifty - nice. 03:35 the usual rogue stuff 03:35 Hmm, Nabru's bag is not a sack, then. 03:35 And it isn't a BoH either. Wonder if it's oilskin. 03:42 yeah it is 03:42 and a fire horn 03:45 Nice. 03:45 Btw, your ghost is *annoying*. 03:46 K2: EPI - one of the guaranteed scrolls of earth in soko should be something else, such as identify. :) 03:47 But only one of them, so that you quickly learn that "Hang on... These two scrolls are different?" 03:50 Doing soko. "You will not stuff this one up". 03:50 * arahael proceeds to stuff it up in *exactly* the same way, after making care not to. 03:56 Man, mobileuser's ghost is annoying, especially with nabru. 04:02 "The gelatinous cube eats a gelatinous cube corpse!" 04:02 cannibal 04:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a yeti corpse, on T:3726 04:12 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 04:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had an ironshod staff entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:4565 04:14 Crap 04:17 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:17 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8870 points, T:4593, killed by a plains centaur 04:17 Stupid. 04:17 ouch 04:18 I managed to escapae it, went up, healed... 04:18 Then went back down again... One hit dead. 04:18 Must've gotten an impressive weapon. 04:18 yeah that's a hard hitter 04:18 !lastgame arahael 04:18 mobileuser: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1600586690.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1615364013.evil.html 04:19 Wouldn't normally be quite that hard, though. 04:19 wooden mace 04:20 but you were burdened 04:21 Oh, yeah. That stupid staff. 04:24 I gave my pet a key, but it's not opening soko doors for me :-) 04:51 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 04:56 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:59 Found the bones level where I had the useless Greyswandir. 05:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8125 points, T:2852, killed by a leocrotta 05:45 -!- inSanity has joined #evilhack 05:46 Trying a final game for the evening. 05:47 https://i.redd.it/wqc0j150j9321.jpg 05:50 amateurhour: Heh. A 5-minute game. 05:59 Stupid. Forgot that I shouldn't kick down doors in minetown! :D 06:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1409 points, T:1138, killed by a watchman 06:02 Well, that was a 5 minute game(!) 06:03 * arahael insists it doesn't count. 06:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:694 06:27 that's early 06:31 mobileuser: Throne wish, couldn't think of anything else. 06:31 It was a toss between that and... leocrottas. 06:32 * arahael tells himself: This is soko, again. DO NOT FREAKING STUFF IT UP AGAIN. 06:33 Yay. 06:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3827 points, T:2862, killed by an owlbear 06:39 Well, I'm done. 06:39 Pray'ed too early, so no getting out of that at that point. 06:40 surprised how much patience you have, I just ragequit evilhack if I get into a cycle of early game deaths haha 06:40 like each subsequent game I get more annoyed 06:42 Heh. 06:44 if you made one of the sokoban scrolls something else, it would be immediately obvious that they were not both earth, due to having different labels 06:45 Right. 06:47 Hmm. Maybe... One... More... 06:47 First, the washing. 06:48 And a drink. If this game is any better, I'll blame it on the alcohol. 06:52 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 06:57 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:59 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 199 points, T:187, killed by a bolt of lightning 07:01 Damn it. 07:12 K2 The elf zombie bites the orc zombie. The orc zombie's brain is eaten! The orc zombie doesn't notice. 07:12 lol 07:12 even the zombies remember grudges 07:14 \o/ 07:16 but zombies don't have brains 07:17 aosdict: Try playing as an illithid, that message happens All The Time. 07:18 don't zombies stop coming back if you destroy their brain in films? 07:27 zombies just want to become smarter T_T 07:44 K2 monsters in the sokoban zoo can pick up soko prizes right? 07:44 what happens if you tame such a monster and then levelport with it? 07:48 no they cant/wont 07:48 They can't? 07:48 si 07:49 K2 thought of everything :-) 07:49 there's a bit of code in there, if monster sees soko prize it says to itself 'eww i dont want that' 07:50 oh is that recent? I thought in the past I've seen monsters with a solko prize 07:50 mobileuser: I live to show his mistakes, though, and I manage to succeed about as often as I ascend. :) 07:50 *soko 07:50 heh 07:50 its not recent 07:50 maybe its not working as intended 07:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1530 points, T:1921, killed by a soldier ant 07:51 G'night! 07:51 sleep well! 07:51 Is it wierd that I'm specifically choosing not to play vanilla any more because of the flipped levels? 07:51 'night 07:52 yeah, the flipped levels kinda suck IMHO 07:52 Indeed. 07:52 * arahael falls asleep. 07:52 gnite arahael 07:53 that's not that weird 07:56 the gehennom revamp was pushed last night 07:56 i have a list on the etherpad of things to do still in regards to it 08:03 mumble grumble feature branches grumble mumble 08:03 I tried 08:05 -!- inSanity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:05 why nested if 50% instead of if 25% etc? 08:06 because it works. i dont think you can do if 25% else if 25% etc 08:19 amateurhour: what code are you referring to? 08:21 the bit in the des files for new gehennom floors 08:21 for picking random demon boss 08:21 link? 08:22 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/1f01321b4c04b2d8f8ea5afa905f3cc3ecec7658 08:22 then expand gehennom.des 08:23 oh no it broke the build 08:24 yeah I think in des the if 50 if 50 thing is fairly standard 08:24 otherwise you have to clumsily make a variable, and there's no switch case or elseif syntax 08:25 is there really no [25%] etc? 08:25 although in this particular case, since the only thing that changes is the string, you could make an array of those 4 strings, shuffle it and use string[0] 08:25 idk the des file format really 08:25 amateurhour: there is, but that's not what you want. if you have four [25%] directives in a row, they're independent 25% chances 08:25 even with else if? 08:25 that's kinda lame 08:26 if you use else if then the chances aren't the same 08:26 but the [X%] syntax is just a shorthand for an if 08:26 no else possible 08:26 des is a lame format :P 08:27 it's gonna have to be ported to 3.7 in the future anyway I guess 08:28 evilhack keeps doubling down on des, adding more levels that will have to be manually ported to lua in the future, but at this point I'm resigned to it either being just a massive merge that halts all real evilhack development or evilhack turning into permanent 3.6.6 variant because there's too much work 08:29 oooo fighting words 08:29 *popcorn* 08:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:14940 08:30 oh no it broke the build <--- what broke was wrong order of monsters in win/share/monsters.txt plus one misspelling :( 08:30 fixed already but bleh 08:31 is it really that hard to convert from des to lua? 08:33 not hard but tedious, and linear with the amount of non-vanilla levels to convert 08:33 * hothraxxa looks at some lua 08:33 yes i just reached that conclusion 08:33 it is what it is 08:34 idk if evilhack has changed the level parser lex/yacc stuff at all, in that case the level parser stuff will need to be ported to the lspo_ C functions 08:34 merging 3.7 into evilhack would be difficult for me regardless, even if i had done it on day one, so whatever 08:35 it'll happen eventually. just not today :) 08:37 sooner or later there will be a conflict where you have done the same thing as 3.7 but in a different way, and you feel your way is better 08:37 and i'm ok with tthat 08:38 I mean, what's the big deal there hothraxxa? then you just take your side of the merge conflict 08:38 at this point, instead of merging 3.7 it might be better to just 'redo' evilhack onto 3.7 08:38 the random vaults vs themed rooms alone makes me think this would be the right course of action 08:38 I've had very few instances where I've been diametrically opposed to what the devteam's done. genociding green slime not saving a sliming player and flipped sokoban are two of the only ones 08:39 K2: should be possible to write a dex to lua converter... would be a project of its own though. 08:39 literally the only thing I don't like is flipped soko, I think 3.7 is the best version yet 08:40 * arahael is not doing a good job of getting to bee. 08:40 *bed. 08:40 you go to bed right now. don't make me come down there 08:40 arahael: paxed wrote one 08:40 but it's not 100% reliable so the levels need vetting 08:41 aosdict: if it does most of them, should be good? 08:41 arahael needs a bedtime story 08:41 * hothraxxa takes off his belt 08:41 once upon a time there was a little monk 08:42 K2: I think the random vaults merge is probably a lot easier than you think. you can cross off all the rooms that exist in vanilla already, and xnethack has implemented a bunch of evilhack vaults 08:42 who went on an aedventure in an evil dungeon 08:42 hothraxxa: i don't need to see that. 08:42 the monk died 08:42 the end 08:42 which i don't know why i have one because nobody has pants in nethack 08:42 aoei: noooooo! 08:42 aosdict what I mean is, all the code additions to make 'random vaults' possible 08:42 evilhack should add pants. 08:42 battle shorts 08:43 but I think you're correct that you shouldn't try to merge the random vault parser code in, instead just getting rid of it and rewriting what hasn't already been rewritten in lua, in lua. 08:43 nudist from the waist down is an important nethack tradition 08:43 +7 dragonhide elven battle shorts 08:43 don't mess with that 08:43 :| 08:43 I think for the most part you can get rid of 'all the code additions' 08:43 aoei: giants will still be nude, don't worry. 08:43 unless there's specific logic about them I'm not seeing that themed rooms don't provide? 08:44 pantless conduct or riot 08:44 i just imagine the code differences would cause a merge to be very ugly 08:44 sure but you'd mostly be saying "take vanilla's version, ignore my stuff" 08:44 do a rebase instead 08:45 the conflicts will be just as bad if not worse 08:45 but you'll have a pretty, linear git log 08:45 a rebase of evilhack onto 3.7 would be interesting and I would watch it with morbid curiosity 08:45 maybe K2 could live stream it 08:45 for our entertainment 08:45 welp, nothing like this will remotely happen until 3.7 is out of dev status 08:45 ok, thats it. i'm sleeping now. 08:46 gnite o/ 08:46 lol ok night arahael 08:46 due to how it replays commits, you can end up with the same bit of code conflicting multiple times 08:46 dream of elven dragonhide battle shorts 08:46 3 sizes too small 08:46 'male camel toe' 08:46 I don't need this image in my mind 08:46 hahahah 08:46 a particular concern for evilhack, which has a lot of follow-up fix commits that aren't squashed back into the main feature because they were pushed to master too early :) 08:46 * nabru goes for the brain bleach 08:46 aosdict: yeah it can be a huge pain 08:48 side topic - i'm working on getting a discord channel for evilhack along with a discord to irc bridge 08:48 neat 08:48 nice 08:48 i should know soon if the request will be approved or not 08:48 all the cool kids are on discord these days 08:48 or so the cool kids tell me 08:49 the initial pushback was 'there's already #nethack-variants discord', my reply was 'oh, you mean the dnethack channel?' 08:49 so we'll see :) 08:49 lol 08:49 I don't think we should further balkanize the roguelikes discord 08:50 'balkanize' 08:50 wut? 08:50 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/balkanize 08:50 if you want to talk evilhack on discord, do it in #nethack-variants and reclaim the channel 08:51 discord is an inherently evil platform 08:51 it used to be mostly fiqhack discussion, it doesn't have to be dnethack 24/7 forever 08:51 also i tried using it and i feel that it sucks hugely 08:51 I don't like it much either 08:51 you don't have to use discord, just join ##nethack-variants on irc 08:52 it was for another interest but thatnk you for your suggestion 08:52 i dont feel like fighting against all the dnethack chatter 08:53 I use discord myself, but under duress 08:53 i'd rather have our own evilhack discord that ties into chat here 08:53 I'd rather not, but then I lose connection to some community circles I value 08:53 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 08:53 sounds like me and facebook 08:53 i dropped facebook a few years ago, havent looked back 08:54 you're not missing anything 08:54 aosdict: incidentally, discord used to only have #nethack 08:54 sadly most of my relatives use only facebook 08:54 no fb, no instagram, no twiiter, no linkedin, nothing 08:54 -variants was created when vanilla players started complaining about the constant fiqhack talk 08:54 oh and instagram sucks worse than discord 08:54 my wife uses facebook enough for the both of us 08:55 FIQ: i'd complain about fiqhack talk also :P 08:55 then -hardfought later on, I don't remember the exact circumstances as to when, but it made sense given the amount of discord people who played there 08:55 and people had to mediate occasionally which was silly 08:56 I have a fb that I don't use 08:57 I have a Facebook just for local buy/sell groups and a Instagram just to follow a few artists/photographers I like 08:57 lost my patience with Twitter so I don't use it often 08:57 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:58 I've used twitter a total of once in the last few years 08:58 when I reached out to someone who insisted on being unavailable anywhere else 08:58 no idea why 08:59 fwiw I don't think it's a bad thing for nethack-variants chat to be dominated by a particular variant at a given time 08:59 I do, when it isn't my own :P 08:59 (jk) 09:00 i do have discord but i am not a cool kid 09:00 i just use it to communicate with some of them 09:01 thing is, if i were to request a bridge from nethack-variants to here, this chat would be flooded with non evilhack stuff 09:01 #evilhack would become dnethack central lol 09:01 why would you do such a thing? 09:01 i wouldnt 09:01 you know ##nethack-discord already exists, right? 09:01 yes 09:01 er I meant ##nethack-variants 09:01 yes 09:01 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 09:01 what are you even suggesting K2 lol 09:02 so why even suggest it? :P 09:02 read backscroll 09:02 I don't even think the bot supports linking multiple irc channels 09:02 I have read it 09:02 well then 09:02 why would you bridge the variants channel to the evilhack channel? I don't get it 09:02 oh I get it 09:02 nobody is suggesting that, it's a rd herring 09:02 surely you'd add an evilhack channel on discord and bridge that if anything 09:03 that's what K2 wants ^ 09:03 K2 is just throwing out a red herring 09:03 confusing everyone 09:03 well colour me confused 09:03 what K2 actually wants is a discord evilhack channel 09:03 which is fair, but 09:03 <@K2> side topic - i'm working on getting a discord channel for evilhack along with a discord to irc bridge 09:03 you consume red herring. you feel confused 09:03 is there sufficient activity on both sides for it? 09:03 " if i were to request a bridge from nethack-variants to here, this chat would be flooded with non 09:04 evilhack stuff 09:04 " 09:04 that's what confused me 09:04 yeah same 09:04 like, why would you even bring it u 09:04 p 09:04 yeah the conversatio got derailed into pointlessness territory 09:04 anyway 09:04 because i was told there's already a nethack-variants discord 09:04 is it a good idea? 09:04 * hothraxxa whacks amateurhour with a blessed unicorn horn 09:04 and i'm like no not using that 09:04 I don't really play evil so idk how active this channel is 09:04 nor how much evilhack talk goes on in the rld discord 09:05 i don't play either 09:05 i just like the stonk 09:05 GME to the moon 09:05 cowards 09:05 you been following that lately? 09:05 I mostly just fear that it will annoy rld people, which could have consequences for other rld nethack channels 09:05 K2: not since that time you told me "look at the stonks" 09:05 and the stonks were cray 09:05 look at last 5 days 09:05 they're going crazy again? 09:05 nice 09:06 you should invest 09:06 I mostly just fear that it will annoy rld people, which could have consequences for other rld nethack channels <--- how exactly? 09:06 i love how i can just type "GME stonks" into duckduckgo 09:06 and it knows what i want 09:06 aoei: that's how search engines generally work ,yes 09:06 FIQ: and ain't it amazing! 09:06 i bought a few GME stocks. my current gain % is over 200% 09:06 K2: if 20% of the rld list is nethack channels, it might make non-nethack players annoyed and start complaining that there's too many 09:07 i was in the red initally 09:07 that growth over 5 days does look fairly substantial 09:07 keep in mind that in discord, you can't really leave channels 09:07 discord is evil 09:07 hmm 09:07 i agree with hothraxxa 09:07 about this and also everything else 09:07 hothraxxa is wise 09:07 discord wants to track you. the amount of info it collects on you is terrifying 09:08 hothraxxa dislikes wand rebalance, clearly a misguided person /s 09:08 no 09:08 hothraxxa is wise 09:08 hothraxxa: that's a bit hard to avoid nowdays, be it with discord or someone else 09:08 idk waht wand rebalance is, but if hothraxxa dislikes it, it is probably bad 09:08 being thousands of years old, you tend to become very wise 09:08 i dislike some of the behaviour i saw, which i understand you have corrected to some degree 09:09 K2: precisely 09:09 aoei: you may also have heard it under the term "wand destruction patch" 09:09 fiq: yes but discord is wrose than almost any other platform, and i'm including facebook 09:09 nope 09:09 aka "latergame monsters can bypass reflection and blow up shit" 09:09 if you would just correct your oversight on soldiers being skilled with wands 09:09 so dumb 09:09 :P 09:10 they underwent a wand usage course in the soldier training camp :P 09:10 private snuffy doesnt get that kind of training 09:10 rooty tooty point n shooty 09:10 i would put giving gnome wizards aoe spells into that category 09:10 officers only 09:10 gnomish wizards have no aoe spells though 09:10 they do in evilhack 09:11 oh ok 09:11 same as dnh? 09:11 gnomish wizards in evilhack are terrifying 09:11 where they just... don't care about where you are 09:11 i do not play dnh 09:11 they'll hit you anyway 09:11