00:03 bouquet: They got me in soko. I got distracted by a sip of coffee and wacked a C one too many times. 00:10 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 00:15 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:24 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 00:35 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:36 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 00:52 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 122588 points, T:21592, killed by a frost salamander, while sleeping 02:11 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 02:16 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:34 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 02:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:06 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 03:08 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:18 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 03:21 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:29 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 03:30 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:01 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:11 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 04:13 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:49 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 04:54 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:57 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 04:58 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:58 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 05:02 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2990 points, T:1814, killed by an invisible dwarvish soldier 05:11 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 05:14 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:36 trying my first magic lamp, will there be disappointment... 05:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:5962 05:37 \o/ 05:40 gratz 06:01 doing the elf thing, eh? 06:02 me too and i learned quickly why no one plays them (early game kinda sucks! ) 06:02 you are cruising along though 06:03 I wonder whether elves will get buffed 06:25 i'm debating killing rodney but i feel like i still have more stuff to do. like inventory stuff, write scrolls alchemy etc 06:26 i didn't find enough scrolls as usual. really weird 06:27 although i didn't learn identify/mapping spells til kind of late and i usually can blank all of those. maybe thats it 06:27 rebatela: Reverse-geno paper golems? ;) 06:28 that doesn't work u 06:28 unfrotunately 06:28 Curious. 06:28 i've thought about it lol 06:29 golems in general are no geno so no reverse geno 06:30 i guess all these teleport scrolls are about to be useless so there's that 06:31 I'm off to bed - g'luck with the problem. :) 06:31 I'm jealous. :) 06:31 heh thanks not really a problem. good night 06:31 ;) 06:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:49559 06:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:49561 06:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:49573 06:40 good luck on the asc run rebatela! 06:41 gogogogo 06:41 thanks! I don't feel very good about it 06:42 like i'm forgetting something oh well 06:42 i think i'm going to wish for another death wand but need to wrest the wish so if i was going to do that i should have done it before i woke wizard up derp 06:43 how many charges do you have? 06:43 1:2 0:2 0:2 06:43 other wish would be another marker 06:43 still 2 left to recharge, plenty! 06:44 so it was sort of depending on what the moloch marker is too 06:44 can only charge oncew though right? 06:44 yeah i think it's enough too 06:44 yeah 06:44 but things can happen 06:44 i mean i just used 3 to kill rodney the first time 06:44 how many times is he going to show up? will i miss? 06:45 wresting isn't a big deal, it doesn't take that long 06:45 sometimes monsters will drop death wands on the asc run too 06:45 at most he's gonna show up 1 extra time from your wresting 06:45 blessed wand is pretty quick 06:46 yeah. not worried about the wresting so much 06:49 it's jsut that i'm remebering a bunch of little things i still need to do 06:49 drawbridge 06:49 im not sure i really have any holy water on me, for example 06:50 be careful for striking zappers 06:50 drawbridge. salamanders 06:50 salamanders wielding drawbridges 06:50 I've died there before 06:50 these shambling freaking horrors that undress me 06:50 urgh 06:51 drain resistance is pretty clutch though! as are object properties or whatever it's called... 06:51 can't really get that as a giant 06:52 i think i'm going to play neutral giant after this though! i miss boulders :( 06:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:49746 06:57 EPI: drawbridges in astral 06:58 ummm amulet wasn't there? 06:59 do you have magic detection or object detection? 06:59 doesn't the high priest(ess) usually have it? there was a player monster rogue there too but i kill him 06:59 unforuntately i don't! 06:59 amulet teleported away 06:59 write magic detection? 06:59 yeah i can do that 06:59 i might just drop everything and leave killer bones somewhere 07:00 yeah that doesn't make sense :-) 07:00 i lost see invisible again! lol but I have one of those potions back at stash 07:00 I can just eye back there and do whatever i need and come back for amulet 07:01 could the wizard have taken it? he did appear but i killed him 07:01 no it's just at some random location on the level 07:02 i don't see it 07:02 looking with magic detection now 07:02 rebatela: YO 07:02 that is all i wanted to say 07:02 hey what's up aoei! 07:02 that's ok :) 07:03 yo yourself! 07:03 nm, got 2 hours left to learn 2 JS 07:03 b4 job interview 07:03 lel 07:03 good luck! 07:03 you got this! 07:03 good luck aoei! 07:03 i just killed the high priest but there's no amulet for me :( 07:03 yeah good luck! 07:03 i got a marker tho! 07:04 magic detection didn't show it?? 07:04 it showed what i though was it but it was an amulet of magic resistance. so i had to write it again and read it 07:05 if you look at my game it's not there 07:05 well I have the wrong terminal settings ;-) 07:05 but maybe another magical item is hiding it 07:06 very annoying to have to examine everything... 07:06 thanks y'all 07:07 it could also have been picked up by an NPC or something 07:08 well I thought that because there was a rogue in this room with the priest. I thought maybe he stole it! 07:08 i haven't looked in his bags, but you can't put it in a bag 07:09 i hate fighting all this stuff. i like to just cursed gain level outta here. even in vanilla that's what i do 07:10 yeah sometimes you get unlucky and you have to keep fighting 07:10 oh i can see it 07:10 yay! 07:10 yeah the other npc has it 07:10 back on other side of level 07:10 bastard 07:11 or is standing on it 07:11 does that mean he just had it from the beginning? 07:11 no 07:11 i didn't have to kill the priest? 07:11 he drops it and it teleports? 07:11 you did have to kill the priest 07:11 yes 07:11 i get it 07:11 never noticed that before or is that because it's cursed or something? 07:11 no, random 07:11 i've had it happen when i screw up and drop it on altar 07:12 when you kill the npc you need to be lucky again 07:12 it could teleport again 07:12 I've had that happen 07:12 i think i'm going to teleport up and come back down the stairs 07:12 oh i'm sure it will teleport again 07:12 excellent strat 07:13 avoid the crowds 07:13 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:49829 07:13 heh 07:14 that was quick 07:14 spoiler ^^ because he had a fake one 07:14 lol 07:15 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 07:15 i really hope i have a see invisible potion at my stash 07:20 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:20 well it won't do you much good 07:20 oh they don't fix it 07:20 the effect is temporary yeah 07:20 i need to get crowned again? lol 07:20 heh 07:21 i can cast detect monsters. just sucks with the amulet 07:21 I often try to get some armour piece of ESP when that happens 07:21 and with eyes of ovewrworld you can't just put towel on in one turn 07:21 see invisible is just a crutch, just use your sharp intuition to instinctively know where everything is 07:21 yeah i could wear EOta (i have it) 07:22 but then no flying or life saving 07:22 flying is more important... 07:47 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 07:48 hi 07:48 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 07:51 hi 07:51 Hello mobileuser, Welcome to #evilhack 07:53 trying to figure out from monst.c if a giant cockroach is safe to eat, is M1_POIS the one to look out for? 07:54 hmmm MR_POISON, 0 probably means it won't confer poison res anyway 07:57 the first one means its immune to poison, the 2nd means it'll confer it if eaten 07:57 so a 0 there means nerp 07:57 M1_POIS means its poisonous to eat 07:57 why u want eat cockroach? yuk 07:57 lol 07:58 just checking all the yummy sources of poison res 07:59 would be useful information on the wiki for the new monsters 07:59 BTW giant cockroach is still in bogusmon.txt? 08:01 is it? i never look at that file 08:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (rust monsters), on T:460 08:01 brb 08:04 I have no idea what bogusmon.txt does 08:05 it's those fake monsters that appear when you hallucinate 08:09 ah ok 08:17 is there a way to get see invisible back? 08:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a cloth cloak entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3829 08:18 wand of make see invisible 08:18 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 40 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of earth 08:18 surely they did that on purpose? ^^ 08:19 i don't even know how to get see invisible in the first place anymore because i always play monk 08:19 rebatela: i find it is safest to do evilhack ascension runs blind 08:19 so see invisible not televant 08:19 er 08:19 yeah but i'm wearing eyes of overworld for mr 08:19 relevant 08:19 oh, well that sucks 08:19 I guess i can wear cloak of mr 08:19 because beholders 08:19 i must have one soemwhere 08:20 yeah it's great for beholders and archons and and magic eyes and stuff 08:20 eg one of the rodney mobs will have a beholder for sure 08:20 right 08:20 just appears right next to you 08:20 well i'd have the towel on if i did it 08:21 the eyes do protect you from most of the effects from those, don't they? 08:21 yeah 08:21 he changed it. they didn't at first 08:21 they still don't protect against medusa iirc 08:21 but it was unfair to monks because of this exact reason. you can't just blind yourself in one turn like everyone else 08:21 yeah no medusa 08:22 i'm leaning towards the towel over the eyes though so i can know what things are! 08:23 i have a lot of PW i can cast detect monsters which is the same as putting towel on for a turn 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a small shield entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:19180 08:24 If I levitate instead of fly, I can do a lot more things. flying's not that improtant right? 08:24 i mean, salamanders are going to pull me down into lava flying too? so what differnce does it make 08:25 Don't valkyries start the game with a small shield? lol 08:25 you know, i think they do 08:25 well it might have gotten burnt or something 08:26 this one is +5 blessed though, and it's almost certainly fireproof 08:26 it's the thought that counts, Tyr 08:26 nice 08:26 mine did get burnt in fact 08:26 the eyes should grant see invis 08:26 so it is actually a good gift 08:26 yeah as junk gifts go, this one is not bad 08:26 i second that motion mobileuser! 08:26 maybe he can fix it right now. I'll save my game, k2! 08:27 hah 08:27 for the same reason again, you can't change to towel quickly 08:27 wait the eyes don't grant see invisible, how is that? 08:27 yeah they should anyway 08:30 in vanilla the eyes are ok, but it's extra tough for monks to lose see invis wearing the eyes 08:32 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 08:36 i've never lost see invisible until very recently 08:36 it's never happened to me in nethack that I've noticed 08:36 i'm kind of afraid to do this run honestly 08:36 but I can cast that spell. that's what i was doing in molochs 08:37 but i didn't like just going by warnging it could be one of those 'b's 08:37 it's only evilhack with the magic trap lottery 08:38 though slex has traps that can disable intrinsics 08:38 fairly sure it's just temporary in slex though... 08:40 slex is not a valid comparison for anything 08:40 i'll know it's a gelatinous cube when i see dywypi 08:41 so in evilhack i need to eat 13 elves to get 100% sleep resistance 08:41 that sucks hugely 08:42 20 killer bees to get 100% poison resistance 08:43 let go of your vanilla nethack expectations 08:43 6 killer bees just to avoid poison instadeath 08:43 let the variant fuck you up, erm, I mean, let the variant flow through your veins 08:43 sounds legit 08:46 k2: i have no vanilla expectations on account of not playing vanilla 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a long sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:20956 10:04 looking to remove as many mazes from gehennom as makes sense. orcus town - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2570/source 10:05 new demon boss lair (pulled this from splicehack and modified it a lot) - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2569/source 10:05 not sure if i'll give the same treatment to asmo level 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:21346 10:13 it would be nice to git rid of asmo maze 10:14 *get 10:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9391 10:19 i'll make some edits, see how it plays out 10:25 tame balrog called Dagul \o/ 10:28 woop 10:36 whose lair is that second one? 10:51 one of four 10:51 every lair, the demon boss will be random every time 10:51 and which lair will load is random also 10:51 three tiers 10:52 oh, that's interesting 10:52 hell-A can load one of four lairs, and each lair, it's one of four random demon bosses 10:52 i have the demon bosses grouped into 3 tiers also 10:52 how many filler levels do you have? 10:52 i havent gotten to that bit yet 10:53 but i want to reduce the fillers inbetween lairs 10:53 nice 10:53 lets see... 10:54 first tier demon bosses are either juiblex, baalz, geryon or (new one) baphomet 10:54 2nd tier are yeenoghu, dispater, (new ones) lolith or mephistopheles 10:55 lolith or lolth? 10:55 3rd tier is demogorgon, asmodeus, tiamat (from the caveman quest but buffed) and (new) graz'zt 10:55 does graz'zt have a seduction attack? 10:55 sorry lolth 10:55 amateurhour no, just stealing 10:56 that in and of itself... he's a bitch to take down 10:56 lolth is canonically female iirc 10:56 yes 10:56 queen of spiders 10:56 sorry I had a brain fart 10:56 thought you meant lolth was hard to take down 10:56 ahahah 10:57 guessing you buffed asmo as well 10:57 not yet but yeah i will 10:57 demogorgon buff? :^) 10:57 no he's fine already 10:58 i did change its claw attacks to tentacle 10:58 just for immersion purposes 10:58 its not a brain sucking tentacle attack 10:58 yeah I gotchu 10:58 it'd be funny if people start hoping for demogorgon because the others are scary 10:58 lol 10:59 'oh whew... only demogorgon' 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9871 10:59 surprised you didn't add lamashtu 10:59 just copypaste the dnh one 10:59 no sweat 11:00 nerp 11:00 i havent taken anything from dnethack for this 11:00 i looked through my ad&d monster manuals to see which demon/devil bosses i wanted to add 11:16 was just joking, she's nasty :P 11:26 heh 11:26 how's this? https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2571/source 11:27 can you do something to chop up the asmo overlay a little more irregularly? 11:27 so it's not obviously a straight line of lava overlaid on a mkmap 11:28 I like the little partial island ruins but the rectangle is very obvious 11:28 that's floodfill doing its thing 11:28 how is that floodfill? floodfill doesn't follow straight lines 11:30 this is the code in the des file - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2572/source 11:30 the map screenshot, it will never be like that every time 11:31 wait, does evilhack des have the 'x' character that is used for "use the existing terrain at this spot" 11:31 yes 11:32 ok so fill the rectangle with L, and then throw some x's around the perimeter irregularly 11:32 example from another map in this des 11:32 TERRAIN: fillrect(00,00,78,20),('.',unlit) 11:32 TERRAIN: filter(33%,fillrect(00,00,78,20)),('}',unlit) 11:32 ok 11:33 even better would be if you could randomly generate the pattern of x's but I don't think you can even do that in vanilla lua 11:33 actually I probably could if I wanted to edit the mapstring, but it'd be messy 11:50 hmm gonna change this up even more 11:51 most of the demon lords for hell-A are swampy types 11:51 this level wouldnt exactly fit with all the lava 11:54 -!- Not-71a9 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2573/source 12:15 asmo redo 12:30 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of leather yugake entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:16376 12:58 nice k2! 12:58 still messing with it 13:00 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:11 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:15 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 13:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu) had a polished shield entrusted to her by Mog, on T:10047 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible bouquet's ghost, the former Joshu, on T:21798 13:22 wow, SoR gift 13:23 nice 13:23 dont see that very often 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 14431 points, T:11472, killed by a hobbit rogue, while praying 13:23 did you already have reflection? 13:24 (side note, i think i have asmo level dialed in 13:24 ) 13:28 you know that maze in the ranger quest start? 13:29 wrap that around asmo's lair :^) 13:30 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:30 I didn't have reflection yet, so that's sorted now :-) 13:38 heh 13:40 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 13:52 this is gonna be cool. you wont know which demon boss you're gonna get until you view them. getting whatever level will no longer be an indicator of what demon boss spawns 13:52 very nethack-y 13:53 you'll go from 8 guaranteed to 4 13:58 (plus whatever demon bosses they might gate in hahah) 14:05 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:06 if someone gates in demogorgon 14:06 and then you roll for demogorgon on that floor 14:06 what happens? 14:09 good question 14:09 what happens now (vanilla, et al) is that there is no demon boss present 14:10 with this new system, there's an equal chance of getting one of four bosses for each lair 14:10 so lets say you're mucking about with a demon and they gate in demo 14:11 you survive, make your way down to the level where the tier 3 lair spawns 14:11 there would be a 25% chance that you'd get a lair with no boss 14:11 if you added a new call to that mkmon function or whatever it is, remember it can return 0 14:11 (in theory) 14:13 yeah 14:13 should run a few scenarios 14:13 i will once i get the map bits sorted 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 370 points, T:1033, killed by a werejackal 14:22 amateurhour: Isn't that a solved problem in vanilla? Summon juiblex early, he doesn't appear in his swamp 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 34 points, T:277, killed by a boulder 14:29 what would be cool would be if demon boss summoned early, substitute with a demon boss that hasnt spawned yet 14:40 yeah aosdict, I just meant K2 should check how it works after their current changes and/or change it 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 870 points, T:1245, poisoned by a rotted goblin corpse, while disrobing 15:11 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:12 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 15:42 amateurhour i'm not sure how to tell the game 'if this demon boss doesnt exist, spawn another one instead' 15:42 maybe if i look at how gating in a demon boss works, that might give me an idea 15:44 I think gating just fails 15:44 you'd still end up with empty lairs, just at the end... 15:50 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:54 OMG 15:54 You see here a pair of dragonhide boxing gloves named Dragonbane. 15:54 rebatela that would assume that ALL demon lords were gated in at some point 15:54 highly unlikely 15:54 not impossible though 15:55 Dragonbane in a shop 15:55 * splicehack has entered the chat * 15:55 Hello splicehack, welcome to evilhack 15:55 hah 15:57 "quality apparel and accessories" shop indeed if you sell Dragonbane 16:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:12276 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gnomes), on T:1 16:07 do you have your work in progress on a public branch K2? 16:08 master branch 16:08 i havent pushed the gehennom stuff yet 16:10 for the gehennom stuff I mean 16:12 i havent pushed the gehennom stuff yet 16:13 hoping here real soon 16:13 i have a fair amount of testing to do still 16:13 so aosdict wont yell at me for pushing untested stuff 16:13 I dont do that anyways but still :P 16:13 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:27628 16:14 \o/ 16:14 gratz 16:15 K2 you could push it to a feature branch and merge it when done if you want more eyes on it 16:15 perhaps 16:15 ty ty. i want to thank the members of the demi-god bar, and especially the ones who voted for me 16:15 but, i'm almost there 16:16 grats hothraxxa 16:16 special thanks to k2, without whom this would not have been necessary 16:16 \o/ 16:17 yay an actual reason to get crowned 16:17 imagine that 16:17 what's the reason to get crowned? 16:17 resistances mostly 16:17 see invisible 16:18 and in this case, excalibur 16:18 resistances because you have to eat way too many corpses for them? 16:18 mobileuser: count me jealous on your glove attire discovery 16:18 unlike many, i usually try to get crowned in all my games 16:19 amateurhour: yes and it's much faster. you take forever to get resistances just by eating corpses unless you kill some dragons 16:19 there's also a 10% chance you get sick res when crowned 16:19 even then you need two 16:20