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The elf zombie misses the gray fungus. The elf zombie resists infection. 09:30 yes same artifact 09:30 nimble gray fungus 09:31 feels wrong 09:32 why would a zombie attack a fungus and how can a fungus be nimble 09:33 well the fungus is alive, so zombie wants to attack it 09:33 but yeah 'nimble fungus' shouldnt be a thing 09:33 ah ok 09:34 this is a side effect from when I increased survivability of starting pets 09:34 zombies shouldn't see fungi as alive they're not that smart 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law), 3034 points, T:3522, killed by a yeti 09:34 * hothraxxa sighs 09:34 rip :-( 09:34 :/ 09:34 damn 09:34 * K2 reverts pet survivability patch 09:34 problem solved 09:34 heh 09:34 :P 09:34 its what amateurhour would want 09:34 back to bobble hats! 09:35 \o/ 09:35 yes revert it so the argument for bobble hats becomes stronger 09:35 no 09:35 :D 09:35 amateurhour --> https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2529/source 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law), 2060 points, T:2321, zombified by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a potion 10:24 getting pretty old 10:28 :( 10:30 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 10:34 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a concave amulet on an altar, on T:8483 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a silver crested helmet entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:9256 11:15 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 11:18 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:54 The jumping spider bites! The jumping spider's bite was poisoned! The poison was deadly... 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law), 8552 points, T:6340, poisoned by a jumping spider 11:55 so evil 11:55 YASI: Eating a jumping spider should make you feel jumpy. 11:55 hah 11:56 <@K2> so evil <--- actually, so vanilla 11:56 YANI: Eating a jumping spider, or tin thereof, gives you temporary intrinsic jumping 11:56 poison instadeath is nicer in evilhack 11:56 no it isn't 11:56 it is 11:56 it's never nice 11:56 you dont have to get full poison res to no longer get poison instadeath 11:56 i know. hasn't helped me 11:56 eat more spiders 11:57 so i can be a giant with 10 str? 11:57 yes 11:57 i'm on it 11:58 for the record, i am among those who believe poison instadeath is utter bullshit 11:58 hey so K2 11:59 if the jumping spider bites you, it can inject enough poison to kill you 11:59 but if you eat it whole leaving no trace, which includes that poison, you get resistant to poison instead of dying? 12:01 partially 12:02 same as any other monster you can get poison res from 12:02 this is not new 12:02 been in vanilla for how long? 12:02 decades? 12:19 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:53 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 12:58 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:58 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:03 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:05 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:10 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:13 -!- bhaak has joined #evilhack 14:13 antigulp the chameleon 14:13 oops 14:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:12318 15:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a barbed devil, on T:15711 15:10 K2: would you consider adding more plus-size body armors, perhaps worn by giant soldiers? I got poly'd again and my armor fell to the ground and got poly'd into an unwearable armor 15:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:58231 15:14 "nope, working as intended, just don't get polyd" 15:20 then explain why all these giant soldiers are carrying around armor they can't wear :) 15:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58333 15:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58335 15:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:58341 15:28 they got polyd into giants 15:36 fair enough 15:49 if I wish for a neutral artifact as a lawful, with no other artifacts discovered, is there a 100% chance I can get it? 15:53 oh, it'll evade my grasp won't it? 15:53 only quest artifacts 15:54 YANI: all quest artifacts, even coaligned ones, evade your grasp if you haven't finished the quest yet. they refuse to be handled by someone who hasn't proved themselves 15:54 ya, I need a source of MR and reflection. Was hoping I could get PYEC. 15:54 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:57 mmm has reflection now instead of MR. Arc's new quest artifact doesn't mention MR. What else besides an amulet of MR is a source for lawfuls? 15:58 very little... 15:58 sceptre of might 15:59 are you playing lawful giant? 15:59 ah giant samurai 15:59 ya. 15:59 yeah that's a pain 15:59 glad to hear I'm not alone in this realization! 16:00 I had to use amulet of MR 16:00 my ideal plan is amulet of MR and dragonbane 16:00 maybe I'll try for the sceptre 16:00 yes, that's what I used as well 16:00 maybe samurai doesn't have the right skill 16:01 that's a mace right? 16:01 ya 16:01 no skill with mace 16:01 I looked it up, no mace skill for samurai 16:02 ah ok 16:02 maybe magicbane 16:02 I considered that too 16:02 the neutral alignment doesn't hurt too much 16:03 hi bouquet 16:03 i'm not going to make anymore plus sized armor. what I made is OP enough as it is 16:03 since I can dual the tsurugi and another 2H weapon I guess my choices are the sceptre or magicbane. 16:03 if you original set was destroyed, you can wish up another set 16:04 thanks, K2. Aosdict did a great job channeling you. 16:04 i saw 16:04 I would avoid the sceptre 16:04 evilhack really punishes you for unskilled 16:04 why? sceptre is great 16:04 twoweapon it with another tsurugi 16:04 "I'm not going to make anymore plus sized armor" <-- why can't jeremyn blather at YOU about fat-shaming? 16:04 oh no mace skill 16:04 silver tsurugi of frost 16:04 right 16:04 we covered that ground, keep up :-) 16:04 i cant 16:05 i just finished binge-watching 'the money heist' season 4 16:05 \o/ 16:05 bella chow! bella chow chow chow! 16:06 probably going to go for an amulet of MR and hope I survive to the castle. Maybe find a shield of reflection in the meantime 16:07 in anticipation of wishing up amateurhour's silver tsurigi of frost 16:07 but I expect I'll die soon anyway 16:07 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 16:10 this would be a great time for helm of opposite alignment. 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 magicbane", on T:18033 16:11 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:11 nice 16:13 well, pat the stupid necromancer disappeared 16:14 playing hard to get 16:14 jeez. Figures. I try to get MR, dude summons a lich, I die by finger of sux 16:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 63563 points, T:18150, killed by a touch of death 16:14 flash him a $100 gift certificate to red lobster 16:14 doh 16:14 whevs 16:14 when you track down pat the necromancer, can you tell him his opinions on flipped sokoban are bad 16:15 yeah 16:15 I have a feeling pat and I would agree on that topic 16:15 WAT 16:15 someone who *gasp* likes flipped sokoban? 16:15 WAHT 16:16 * amateurhour shakes fist angrily 16:16 I'm "that guy" 16:16 i heard rumors that these people exists. thought it was just stories parents told their children at bedtime to scare them 16:16 the... the legends are true?? 16:17 amateurhour, hold me! 16:17 there's more than one dev team member that likes it, it's never gonna get merged 16:18 just feeling a little sad at the reddit post, I thought about replying but I think it'd be better all round to not 16:19 I also dip my oreos in cranberry juice 16:19 and put peanut button on pickles 16:19 i'm still debating on whether to do something about it for 370-hdf 16:19 well they said peanut butter and chocolate would never work 16:19 and that's great 16:20 I would say don't, I prefer it being as close to vanilla as possible even if there's something annoying and bad :P 16:20 i know 16:20 the reason I like flipped sokoban is it's different enough to exercise my brain and help stave off dementia. It's like a public service. 16:20 if i did anything it'd be an option the player could turn on/off 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law), 3095 points, T:5905, killed by a panther 16:22 wow, 14x4 scroll shop! 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 358 points, T:578, killed by a jumping spider 16:24 be sure to check for spiders hiding under those scrolls 16:24 loooooooooooooooooool 16:24 that's creul 16:24 cruel* 16:24 K2: if you make it turn-off-able, you open it up to people calling it not vanilla anymore (because you made it easier by guaranteeing people can use their muscle memory if they want) and neuter public support for changing it 16:25 i know 16:25 however, Pat made it very clear the devteam wont action on it 16:26 wait and see what happens after 3.7.0 is released and everyone on NAO starts having to put up with flipped soko 16:26 yeah... 16:27 and THEN you say "hey look hardfought has the option to turn it off" and capture a large portion of their player base 16:27 wait, this is my audition to be the lead tactician in the nethack server wars, right? 16:28 there are wars? i don't recall being called up 16:30 i'm not trying to take players away from anyone 16:30 if i were, 366-hdf would be a thing 16:31 when NAO starts hosting 3.7 release is when we'll start looking at 3.8 or whatever the devteam has in the works after 3.7 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of falconry gloves entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1662 16:36 * K2 goes back to work on gehennom stuff 16:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:58579 16:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:58581 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law), 2557 points, T:3441, killed by a leocrotta 16:42 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:2319 16:43 an 8x5 scroll shop 16:43 i'll just look under these for spiders 16:46 aosdict: nobody cared that NAO wasn't running plain vanilla. as a public server admin you can do what you want. if there is a blacklash of players, you can still reconsider 16:46 but I would guess, players would hardly notice if you just switched off flipped sokoban 16:47 add it to the removables page on the wiki ;) 16:48 I'm not sure which version is referenced there :) 16:49 although arguably any sufficiently new feature is removable because not enough people have come to expect it yet 16:49 what is the 'removables' page? 16:49 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Testbutt/Removables 16:50 funny enough, I've been reducing the level flipping everywhere BUT sokoban in unnethack :) 16:52 thanks for the link aosdict 16:53 what don't you like about special level flipping (outside of sokoban) bhaak? 16:53 also see talk page 16:54 and didn't you put special level flipping into unnethack? 16:54 aosdict: yes. it came originally from sporkhack where paxed added it originally 16:55 amateurhour: it destroys the recognizable features of some levels. for example the astral plane just looks wrong upside down. 16:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) genocided lava gremlins, on T:58918 16:56 without adding anything for the level 16:56 making the astral place corridors wider is a much better feature there 16:56 more astral variants would be appreciated, it's hard to think how to make one without it being more easy though 16:56 the castle also doesn't benefit anything from level flipping. being quite symmetrical to start with. 16:57 the most brutal would be a Big Room Astral 16:57 (Carl voice) "Yeah, I got yer Grand Tour right here, Fryman!" 16:57 omg a talking woodchuck 16:57 I think what you think about special level flipping but for soko haha 16:57 please don't do big room astral. 16:58 yes, don't do it it would be literally unplayable 16:58 getting sandwiched by 3 riders at once 16:58 sounds like a YANI for evilhack 16:58 though, once it filled edge to edge with 'a' none of the real threats except the riders could even move. 16:59 I just meant it as an example of how it'd be hard to design a new astral without it being too easy or too hard 16:59 was interesting to see what 3.0 astral looked like 17:00 I'd be curious to try it in vanilla. 17:01 a lot of variants have 'variants' of the special levels which is pretty cool 17:01 like different castles etc 17:01 I think I would prefer that to flipping 17:01 seems natural really, like the different medusa variants 17:09 although creating good levels is not as straight forward as it looks 17:10 I can imagine 17:10 sometimes you want features in those levels that aren't obvious at first. 17:11 like making the castle levels traversable by jumping (although not the original one) or ensuring that a player doesn't get stuck if they come up from the votd. 17:12 the second rectangular castle in unnethack has trap doors behind the iron bars for that now. 17:13 devils advocate for big room astral: you can beeline for the high altar 17:13 I think I made the medusa's jumpable traversable, too 17:18 if/when I'm reworking the dungeon layout, I'll drop or rework the third levels of the castle and fort ludios. they don't really fit the theme 17:19 the link to look at the castle variants in unnethack on the wiki is broken 17:19 I might have seen them in slex, but wanted to check 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 3158 points, T:3808, killed by a gnomish wizard 17:21 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Castle_(UnNetHack) 17:22 ah it has a page instead, I was looking at the links on the unnethack page 17:24 yeah, I see, those are 404 17:26 "Ken the invisible Dark Baron" oh dear 17:29 layout 2 lets you bypass the castle completely in a much too easy way 17:33 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:49 dishes time yay 17:50 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 3255 points, T:3323, killed by a wolf 17:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "blessed mithril magic harp", on T:60122 17:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:60126 17:57 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law) murdered Clifford, his faithful little dog, on T:975 18:01 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law), 10274 points, T:2956, killed by a watchman 18:05 there's a shambling horror on the plane of water 18:05 bastard 18:05 Aw shit. 18:06 What was your horror again, pray tell? 18:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) genocided krakens, on T:60300 18:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) genocided electric eels, on T:60307 18:08 because of bones I seem to have had 2 types... 18:09 Oh bullshit! 18:09 D: 18:09 anyway, zapped it with death :-) 18:11 Yay! 18:13 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a leather conical hat entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3779 18:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:60380 18:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed the saddled White Horse, on T:60382 18:35 I zapped Pestilence away with teleport, somehow I thought he would land next to me again... 18:40 Lucky 1/13 18:42 \o/ 18:43 i've noticed this before... looking at the stats for all of the demon lords and princes, its straight out of the monster manual (ad&d) 18:44 fooood time 18:45 Mhm 18:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:60470 18:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed the Black Horse, on T:60478 18:54 Death drinks a potion of full healing! that's cheating 18:59 loooooooooooooooooooooooooool 19:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu), 4403766 points, T:60510, ascended 19:00 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1614378544.evil.html 19:01 woolly rain worked pretty well 19:02 those mammoths do tons of damage 19:06 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:43673 19:08 bedtime 19:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1368 points, T:1989, killed by a land mine 19:38 -!- aoei is now known as Stella 19:38 -!- Stella is now known as aoei 20:44 !tell mobileuser congrats! 20:44 mobileuser shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 21:52 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 21:54 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:08 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 22:11 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:14 -!- stenno4 has joined #evilhack 22:16 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:02 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 23:25 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a crested helmet entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7365 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a steel spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:2360 23:50 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:11760