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01:56 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 86413 points, T:28628, killed by a winged gargoyle
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04:12 <EvilBot_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4447
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04:56 <EvilBot_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:7636
05:04 <arahael> dbanethacker's bones is...  Curious...
05:04 <arahael> Invisible red baby dragon, and a nymph, and an incubus...
05:07 <EvilBot_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 23090 points, T:8590, killed by a sasquatch
05:07 <arahael> Hmph.  A promising game.  Wasn't the bones that killed me.
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08:05 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:1360
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09:00 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 3 commits to 0.6.0 [+0/-0/±11] https://git.io/JqTl4
09:00 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 a7fbc1e - Tweaks to last commit (drawbridge).
09:00 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 902da44 - Even more tweaks to last commit (drawbridge).
09:00 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 5cdf67f - Fix: tautological statement in lock.c
09:26 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:43329
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09:33 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:43620
09:33 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43621
09:39 <rebatela> The beautiful shambling horror seduces you and you take off your robe.
09:40 <aosdict> lol
09:40 <aosdict> I guess if you're into that...
09:40 <rebatela> luckily i'm in vlad's and it's no teleport
09:41 <rebatela> first one i've encountered this game, but it got my helm and robe like a nymph would 
09:42 <rebatela> are they always a 5 via warning? or is it actually a rating of difficulty that varies ? 
09:42 <rebatela> some of those things can be so nasty 
09:43 <rebatela> yeah like this one 
09:43 <aosdict> hmm so that was an nymph-style AD_SEDU attack. can they actually get foocubus-style seduction?
09:43 <rebatela> got my robe again 
09:45 <mobileuser> rebatela 4 or 5 for shambling horror is random per game and has nothing to do with their abilities
09:45 <EvilBot_> mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2021-03-05 19:19 EST: <mobileuser> K2 evilhack should allow monks to wear body armour and use weapons with no to-hit penalty! That's the way it works in Slash'em where monks originated, so it only makes sense. <--- no :)
09:45 <rebatela> oh ok thanks
09:45 <mobileuser> a monk can dream :-)
09:45 <amateurhour> thank u evilbot
09:45 <amateurhour> for showing K2 is too scared to say it themself
09:45 <rebatela> yeah this one seduces, also has dispalcement 
09:45 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 15435 points, T:5474, killed by an energy vortex, while sleeping
09:45 <rebatela> it and had a chilling gaze attack 
09:45 <amateurhour> knowing the monk mob will mobulate
09:45 <amateurhour> mobilise
09:45 <mobileuser> lol
09:45 <rebatela> and kept trying to attack my head with some kind of attack that my hat was blocking 
09:46 <mobileuser> I never melee the bloody things
09:46 <rebatela> yeah i probably shouldn't have (twice)
09:52 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43937
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10:15 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:3925
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10:48 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:45528
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10:57 <amateurhour> woo go rebatela 
10:57 <rebatela> lost my speed boots. i didn't have them fireproofed :(
10:58 <rebatela> i was just being lazy not fooproofing stuff because i knew repair armor self (don't do that !) 
10:58 <rebatela> spell not self
10:59 <rebatela> but i replaced them with water walking boots from a player monster and will just cast haste 
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11:18 <rebatela> sometimes i tempted to geno ; on demo's level 
11:18 <rebatela> but i worry what they will get replaced with on plane of water? 
11:18 <K2> another gehennom revamp starts this weekend
11:19 <rebatela> what's that mean?
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11:20 <amateurhour> ctrl+c dnethack gehennom ctrl+v
11:20 <K2> no
11:20 <K2> i studied how its done in dnethack
11:20 <K2> its a bit more extreme there, there are three separate 'dungeon.def' files
11:20 <K2> renamed of course
11:21 <amateurhour> that's because of the chaos quest
11:21 <K2> yup. there was a valid reason to do it that way
11:21 <amateurhour> ignore that, it's a bad thing they did to rush it out
11:21 <amateurhour> you can do it in a better way than that
11:21 <amateurhour> I don't think that's what they do for the demon lairs though
11:22 <K2> yeah its a bit... chaotic
11:22 <K2> been jotting down notes this morning, this is what I have planned so far:
11:22 <K2> player will encounter 4 (maybe 5) demon lairs total
11:23 <K2> of those 4 (or 5), one will always be a guarantee - orcus town
11:23 <K2> the remaining will be randomized between 3-4 different demons and their lair
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11:23 <K2> it'll be different every game
11:24 <K2> and it may not even be the same demon with the same lair
11:24 <K2> that could be randomized too
11:24 <K2> *demon lord
11:25 <K2> doing this will mean adding more demon lords/princes
11:26 <K2> which I am looking forward to doing, there are some really cool demon/devil bosses from ad&d that arent in vanilla nethack
11:26 <K2> i think dnethack has added a lot of them
11:26 <K2> but i dont want to do a carbon copy of those, i'll make my own templates
11:28 <K2> yeah i think 3 random lairs plus orcus town will do it
11:29 <K2> that will significantly shorten gehennom
11:29 <K2> currently the player will encounter 8 demon lords/princes
11:29 <K2> this would cut that in half
11:30 <K2> so 3 random lairs... each pool (1st, 2nd, 3rd) will have 3-4 lairs to pick from
11:33 <K2> ^ if I keep that at 3 per, I'd only have to come up with 2 new demon lords + lairs
11:33 <K2> if i go with 4 per, i'd need to come up with 5 new demons/lairs
11:35 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a steel dagger entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:5900
11:36 <aosdict> caution against making too many, you don't want to burn out on making too many similar levels and end up with uninteresting level designs
11:40 <aosdict> if this is a long term plan, you could save level designs somewhere and do em one at a time
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11:43 <K2> i hate making levels, that's the most tedious part
11:43 <K2> i may 'borrow' a couple and tweak, dunno yet
11:45 <aosdict> yeah so be especially cautious about burnout then
11:45 <aosdict> me, I love making levels
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11:46 <K2> yup good advice
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11:52 <K2> hmm... 3 random levels that each pull from a pool of 4, or 4 random levels that pull from a pool of 3?
11:58 <aosdict> with no duplicates?
11:58 <aosdict> or do you mean 12 separate levels broken up into multiple pools
11:58 <K2> correct
11:58 <K2> no dups
11:59 <K2> well yes to both actually
12:00 <amateurhour> yo K2 be sure to make one of the pools really nasty
12:00 <amateurhour> like how in dnh you get Dagon/Lamashtu/Demogorgon
12:03 <K2> that's the plan
12:03 <aosdict> are you planning to change dungeon.def at all? it doesn't sound like you have to
12:03 <K2> each tier will be more difficult than the one before it
12:03 <K2> aosdict i will
12:04 <aosdict> just turn the 'asmodeus' level identifier into 'demonlord1', of which one is the asmo level and others are some other lord
12:04 <amateurhour> what did you think about the nessus floor in dnh K2?
12:04 <aosdict> I guess that technically changes dungeon.def, but only a string
12:04 <amateurhour> the one above vibrating square floor, with asmodeus
12:04 <K2> aosdict - i already have hell_A_01 (02, 03, etc) then hell_B_01 (02, 03, etc) mapped out
12:04 <K2> or whatever name
12:04 <K2> doesnt matter
12:05 <K2> amateurhour i'd have to look again
12:05 <amateurhour> it was the one with 5 staircases, 4 of which were fake
12:05 <amateurhour> with 5 rooms of varying difficulty
12:06 <amateurhour> asmodeus in the centre room, so 1/5 games you're forced to deal with them in some way
12:07 <K2> i was planning on bumping asmo up to a highest-tier demon lord
12:07 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a pair of steel gauntlets entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:6876
12:07 <K2> in ad&d he's one of the most powerful arch-devils, i've always wondered why nethack made him so weak relatively speaking
12:08 <aosdict> he's incredibly dangerous if you don't have cold resistance
12:08 <amateurhour> yeah
12:09 <K2> amateurhour I dont want to make the demon bosses in such a way that the best way to deal with them is to avoid. i dont like that about dnh at all
12:09 <amateurhour> microlance doesn't avoid any of them and does fine :P
12:09 <K2> heh
12:10 <amateurhour> can't remember if you tried to fight asmodeus in dnh
12:10 <K2> i didnt
12:12 <amateurhour> they have -d(99) ac, and as you damage them their blood spawns demons, getting stronger ones as they get to lower hp
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12:14 <K2> lol hah
12:14 <K2> that's nuts
12:15 <K2> so what do you think - 3 random tiers with a random pool of 4, or 4 random tiers with a random pool of 3
12:16 <K2> difference is do you encounter 4 or 5 demon bosses
12:16 <K2> (not counting a random gating in)
12:16 <amateurhour> how long do you want gehennom to be?
12:16 <K2> these changes will still make gehennom shorter than it currently is, regardless
12:17 <K2> hmm
12:19 <K2> either way, a lot of randomness each game is achieved
12:19 <K2> prob go 3 tiers w/ pool of 4 random lairs each tier
12:20 <K2> so, 5 new demon bosses/lairs to add to the existing
12:20 <K2> i have the bosses picked out already
12:22 <K2> lunch time, back later
12:36 <hothraxxa> there are 11 giant moquitoes here. going for the trifecta
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12:54 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 955 points, T:2032, killed by an enormous rat
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14:09 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) stole 9 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Tringanoe's delicatessen, on T:10400
14:09 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law), 17192 points, T:10416, killed by a watch captain, while sleeping
14:10 <hothraxxa> well that plan was a bust
14:37 <hothraxxa> ok so i don't understand what happened
14:37 <hothraxxa> i played a drum in minetown and upset the watch, which i didn't think would happen
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14:38 <hothraxxa> so i just wiztested that in both vanilla and evilhack and beating a drum in minetwon doesn't upset the watch
14:38 <hothraxxa> so wtf happened to me?
14:39 <hothraxxa> aha! i bet i know. one of gnome wizards stunned me and i must have bumped a watchman
14:39 <hothraxxa> anyway my cunning plan did not work so another dead giant valk
14:40 <K2> :/
14:40 <K2> random gehennom demon lord levels alpha phase test commencing...
14:41 <K2> niiiiice
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15:10 <hothraxxa> i understood the nymph with the wand of tp to be unawareness of blessed genocide * in wizmode
15:10 <hothraxxa> oops
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15:37 <mobileuser> "The invisible vampire mage is eating noisily." lol
15:49 <aosdict> sounds like you need an inaudible vampire mage instead
15:50 <mobileuser> it's disgusting!
15:51 <aosdict> since when do vampire mages eat?
15:51 <aosdict> or any vampire?
15:52 <aosdict> and if they did, wouldn't it be quietly sucking blood?
15:52 <EvilBot_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed Dispater, on T:55181
15:53 <mobileuser> can you guess? :-)
15:54 <mobileuser> actually I also have to guess myself since I lost see invisible
16:01 <mobileuser> my guess:  lizard corpse to cure some condition
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17:09 <mobileuser> right, went up to XL 27. time to camp for dragonbane.
17:10 <amateurhour> what for? :P
17:17 <mobileuser> for acid res of course
17:17 <amateurhour> I thought you'd have killed all the nasty acid things by now
17:18 <mobileuser> demogorgon still to come
17:18 <amateurhour> oh right, good luck!
17:18 <mobileuser> plus other things can cast acid blast
17:18 <mobileuser> and dragonbane is cool
17:18 <amateurhour> dragonbane IS cool
17:41 <EvilBot_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:56181
17:41 <mobileuser> heh
17:41 <mobileuser> \o/
17:42 * Umbire plays The Price is Right theme
17:48 <rebatela> damn i've still yet to get dragonbane that way 
17:48 <rebatela> congrats
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19:22 <K2> 3 more maps to make
19:22 <K2> or borrow
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