00:17 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Ran Cen Mal Neu), 1038 points, T:1014, killed by a gnomish wizard
01:08 <arahael> K2: It suddenly strikes me that there's no poop in the dungeon. Cerberus should leave plenty.
01:09 <K2> hah
01:09 <K2> this isnt slex :)
01:09 <K2> besides, dogs eat their own poop
01:09 <K2> and if they dont, the player monsters have an extra baggie for poop pickup duty
01:10 <arahael> Perhaps Charon should have a "sack" for such a purpose.
01:12 <K2> lol
01:15 <arahael> > The crude short sword hits you.
01:15 <arahael> > Your spellbook of sleep catches fire and burns!
01:15 <arahael> What's that?  I then killed him, but I don't see any identified "crude short sword of fire".
01:26 <K2> huh
01:26 <K2> were you blind at all?
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01:39 <arahael> No.
01:40 <arahael> Checked the logs.  Wasn't blind at all.
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02:29 <K2> if you wield that sword and hit something with it that can take fire damage, does it id then?
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03:29 <arahael> It probably would, I still have those swords.
03:29 <EvilBot_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3409
03:29 <arahael> It does id then.
03:30 <arahael> So I think that describes the bug.
03:31 <arahael> Not that it does much good for a monk, but hmm, useful.
03:47 <K2> oh wait
03:48 <K2> arahael were you fire res at the time you were hit?
03:48 <K2> i remember this now
03:48 <K2> if you are resistant to the obj prop special atack, it wont id
03:48 <K2> doesnt matter if items in inventory are affected
03:48 <arahael> K2: I'm not sure, I am a monk now, Xp8, not sure what Xp I was at the time, though, but that's interesting.  Normally no fire res until Xp11, though.
03:48 <K2> it prob should
03:49 <K2> ugh i gotta crash
03:49 <arahael> K2: It's *definitely* not an urgent bug at all, make a note if you wish. :)  Sleep well!
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07:18 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1
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07:20 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 380 points, T:340, killed by a newt
07:20 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:2, killed by a newt
07:24 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire
08:15 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:34513
08:23 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) destroyed Charon, on T:34877
08:23 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:34895
08:29 <rebatela> how am i only 50% fire resistant? I'm lvl 25 monk... 
08:29 <mobileuser> you killed Charon
08:29 <rebatela> oh
08:29 <mobileuser> just kidding ;-)
08:29 <rebatela> lol
08:29 <rebatela> he got mad. i had not choice
08:30 <mobileuser> probably something cast a spell at you
08:30 <mobileuser> in that case it will wear off
08:30 <rebatela> yeah. is it temporary or i have to go eat red dragons or something?
08:30 <mobileuser> no it should wear off
08:30 <rebatela> getting "slowly roasted alive" 
08:30 <rebatela> yeah i've had that happen before with cold on the ice queen level 
08:31 <rebatela> speaking of which i should go do that branch
08:31 <mobileuser> don't fall into lava when 50% fire resistant, instadeath
08:31 <mobileuser> (that happened to me once)
08:31 <rebatela> i bet
08:32 <rebatela> yeah i'm scaredd to be down here at all 
08:39 <hothraxxa> it's only dangerous if you let your hp get low, otherwise ignore it
08:42 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold
08:57 <rebatela> hothraxxa: oh ok thanks!
09:09 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] entrez opened pull request #55: Minor changes - https://git.io/Jtxmt
09:19 <mobileuser> tame djinni called Jester
09:19 <mobileuser> ^ aoei
09:21 <EvilBot_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:15309
09:21 <aoei> mobileuser: lol!
09:21 <aoei> kill Jester
09:22 <mobileuser> \o/
09:22 <mobileuser> I was too chicken to wish for dragonbane
09:23 <mobileuser> mobileuser (Arc Chi Mal Neu)
09:23 <hothraxxa> cluck off
09:23 <mobileuser> lol
09:24 <hothraxxa> my second magic lamp got "you freed me!"
09:24 <hothraxxa> just peaceful not tame. useless
09:25 <mobileuser> at least my disappointing djinni can make itself useful
09:25 <hothraxxa> i probably have screwed myself anyway. i wished for a helm of decay forgetting that a crowned lawful wielding a long sword gets excalibur
09:26 <hothraxxa> i really really REALLY need reflection
09:26 <hothraxxa> asshole with wand of lightning exploded my wand of death
09:26 <aoei> mobileuser: its my moneh, its my game
09:37 <mobileuser> heh
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09:45 <aosdict> K2: variants graph stuff, has evilhack 0.5 or 0.6 drawn a significant amount of features/inspiration from another variant such as spl/xnh/whatever?
09:46 <hothraxxa> it has drawn much inspiration from successful player strategies, does that count?
09:47 <aosdict> no like actual features
09:49 <hothraxxa> k2 . o O { oh clever idea, let me find my wand of nerfing...}
09:49 <hothraxxa> otherwise known as developer syndrome
09:50 <mobileuser> aosdict the evilhack wikipage lists all the inspirations
09:56 <aosdict> yes but that tells me for the variant as a whole. what I'm interested in is variants it took stuff from in 0.5 and 0.6 specifically
09:57 <aosdict> or, "variants it took stuff from in 2020"
10:03 <EvilBot_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15600
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11:50 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:35040
12:23 <hothraxxa> holy crap! a doppelganger was in gremlin form when i killed it. now the doppelganger is multiplying like a gremlin. is this a bug?
12:23 <amateurhour> that's epic!
12:25 <hothraxxa> one of them just became an alhoon and another one is an iron golem. i feel my game is over
12:25 <aosdict> I think it's a vanilla bug that evilhack may not have fixed
12:25 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±16] https://git.io/Jtx4e
12:25 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 244dc95 - Spheres cause real explosions / new spells: flame sphere and freeze sphere.
12:26 <aosdict> K2: why you gotta squish things into one commit when it could easily be two
12:26 <K2> that was the original intent
12:26 <K2> but i kept writing
12:27 <K2> and it was late
12:27 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:33020
12:27 <mobileuser> hothraxxa did the doppelganger multiply when it was in gremlin form?
12:27 <hothraxxa> not sure
12:27 <aosdict> how would you like it if xnethack commit 84a84d0d had a bunch of unrelated stuff in it
12:27 <K2> not for me to like or dislike
12:28 <mobileuser> I have had chameleon pets multiply when in gremlin form
12:28 <K2> at least those 2 things go together
12:28 <hothraxxa> this is the medusa level and it's getting full of doppelgangers
12:28 <K2> epic
12:28 <hothraxxa> should have genoed doppelgangers but i'm not sure you can
12:29 <aosdict> mobileuser: seems like they're continuing to multiply even when they're no longer gremlins
12:29 <hothraxxa> you can so i fucked up here
12:30 <K2> i should dig up that vanilla fix
12:30 <K2> i mean its cool initially but then gets uber crazy
12:30 <amateurhour> which variant did you take those from K2? think they exist in slashem
12:30 <hothraxxa> hope i find another genocide scroll before i go back
12:30 <aosdict> amateurhour: flame and freeze sphere are deferred vanilla features
12:30 <K2> amateurhour read the commit notes :)
12:31 <amateurhour> did vanilla commit the ol' stealeroo but not quite finish it and call it deferred? :P
12:31 <aosdict> did vanilla make them first and then slashem un-deferred them? or did slashem make them first and vanilla pulled them in but deferred them?
12:31 <amateurhour> they're annoying in slashem because they just add crappy spells to the spelllist
12:31 <amateurhour> you find a 100 cost spellbook and hope it's not one of them
12:31 <aosdict> also vanilla has no flame mage/ice mage
12:32 <aosdict> wait slashem lets you summon spheres for 5 pw
12:32 <K2> those deferred spells are level 1 matter spells
12:32 <K2> i made then level 2 here
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13:15 <mobileuser> [backscroll] if they still multiply in non-gremlin form then that sounds like a bug
13:15 <mobileuser> epic though
13:16 <mobileuser> imagine the same happening with lava gremlins in gehennom
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13:18 <amateurhour> you're walkin' awfully close to the line of a new feature getting added
13:18 <amateurhour> :P
13:23 <mobileuser> well the "feature" is already there
13:24 <mobileuser> poor hothraxxa
13:25 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:22261
13:27 <EvilBot_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:16480
13:27 <mobileuser> the Toy is MINE
13:28 <K2> lol
13:30 <K2> bbl
13:31 <hothraxxa> it gets worse. a magic trap made me invisible and i'm a giant so i can't get into the two shops i want to visit
13:41 <amateurhour> that happened to me so many times, K2's advice was (and I quote)
13:41 <amateurhour> suck it up buttercup
13:41 <amateurhour> :(
13:46 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (orcs), on T:1
13:53 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 1485 points, T:2612, killed by a piranha
13:54 <aoei> it ain't easy being a giant in the dungeons of doom...
13:55 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:82623
13:57 <EvilBot_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:16721
13:58 <mobileuser> unexpected development
13:58 <hothraxxa> well you know playing a giant isn't hard enough, why not taunt you too
13:59 <hothraxxa> be careful or a giant won't be able to wear anything that isn't giant sized
13:59 <hothraxxa> oh these speed boots? too small, suck it up buttercup
14:00 <mobileuser> ?
14:03 <mobileuser> oh hypothetical "feature"
14:05 <mobileuser> lawful giant is more difficult anyway
14:12 <hothraxxa> somehow i have acquired stealth, though giants vould never get that
14:12 <hothraxxa> could
14:12 <hothraxxa> oh i remember. tyr gave it to me
14:12 <mobileuser> sometimes your god grants it, but it's pretty useless
14:12 <amateurhour> ooh
14:13 <amateurhour> if you have it that way does it report in the enlightenment screen but do nothing?
14:13 <hothraxxa> being invsible it's impossible to tell
14:14 <mobileuser> you still aggravate
14:14 <hothraxxa> never knew magic traps could be so rare
14:14 <hothraxxa> yes you do but i have slipped by sleeping monsters without waking them up, so
14:14 <amateurhour> just get shopless conduct
14:14 <hothraxxa> too late
14:15 <hothraxxa> even if i find a trap it's a crapshoot
14:15 <mobileuser> kill the shopkeepers, then get telepathy back
14:15 <hothraxxa> find yourself surrounded by locusts or something
14:16 <EvilBot_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Camaxtli, on T:17199
14:16 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide
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14:23 <K2> heh
14:24 <K2> backscroll is funny
14:24 <K2> well not all of it
14:26 <aosdict> increasing the sphere spells to level 2 perhaps balances them
14:26 <K2> i'm trying to find the commit regarding doppelgangers poly'd into a gremlin and then going nuts
14:27 <K2> aosdict: i was debating between level 2 and 3. i think 2is ok but we'll see with actual game play
14:27 <aosdict> I just watched the roguelikes celebration 2016 video where the DCSS guy is talking about game balancing, including in-combat vs out of combat
14:27 <K2> slashthem (didnt check slash'em) also has shocking sphere and acid sphere spells
14:27 <K2> if i were to add those, those would definitely be of a higher level
14:28 <aosdict> the main exploit with the sphere spells seems to be that you could summon a massive number of them given enough time and then magic whistle or teleport them around the level to their heart's content
14:28 <K2> hmmm
14:28 <K2> initedog() is called when they are created, so they technically count as pets
14:29 <K2> thats a good point
14:29 <aosdict> most people other than wizards would have trouble with it I think
14:29 <K2> those spheres created by the spell shouldnt come when called so to speak (magic whistle)
14:30 <K2> also to bear in mind, at skilled or greated (matter spells) more than one is created per spell
14:30 <K2> *greater
14:30 <K2> 'greated' hah
14:30 <aosdict> well if you got a sphere via some other means, why shouldn't that one come when called? like if your starting pet hit a polytrap
14:30 <aosdict> proposal:
14:30 <K2> because you cant spam create them at will
14:31 <aosdict> take fiqhack/splicehack code for a time limit on summoned monsters where they poof into nonexistence after their time runs out
14:31 <aosdict> use that on created spheres
14:31 <K2> the spheres created by the spell have two new bitfields attached to them, so it'd be easy to separate them from normal spheres
14:31 <K2> aosdict thats a great idea
14:32 <aosdict> it's not like you're trying to get a long term pet when casting these spells
14:33 <K2> adding to the 'pad
14:33 <aosdict> what are the new bitfields
14:33 <K2> isspell and uexp
14:33 <K2> isspell flags it as having been created via spell
14:33 <K2> uexp flags it as 'if this creature kills something, you get the exp for it'
14:34 <aosdict> what uses isspell
14:35 <aosdict> that's the part that'd probably generalize to time-limited mons
14:35 <K2> currently only the spheres generated via spell
14:35 <aosdict> yeah, but what bits of code *read* isspell
14:35 <K2> ah
14:36 <K2> spell.c (the bit where the spheres are created, adds the flag)
14:36 <K2> dogmove.c
14:36 <aosdict> that's writing not reading
14:37 <K2> dogmove.c
14:37 <K2> reading
14:37 <aosdict> ah prevents them from shying away from blowing up due to hp
14:38 <K2> they'll behave more like a minion (ignore cursed obj on ground, wont worry about eating, etc)
14:38 <K2> yup
14:38 <aosdict> does uexp mean that if they do other things the player is credited for, the player gets credited for them? like killing a pet
14:38 <K2> yes (mhitm.c)
14:39 <aosdict> a lot of those checks assume context.mon_moving indicates the player is not responsible so you probably want to look at thsoe
14:39 <aosdict> those
14:40 <K2> right now the checks are in mdamagem() and passivemm(), and then a bit after mon_explodes()
14:42 <hothraxxa> \o/ first time i step on a magic trap i can no longer see through myself
14:43 <K2> woo
14:43 <hothraxxa> WHICH DOES NOT EXCUSE THIS DEPLORABLE NAGIC TRAP BEHAVIOUR
14:43 <hothraxxa> magic trap too
14:43 <K2> hugs <3
14:43 <K2> progress through suffering
14:43 <hothraxxa> you're mocking me aren't you. i know it
14:43 <K2> me? pfft no...
14:44 <hothraxxa> i had to go to the bottom of the mines to find this trap. inexcusable
14:44 <K2> bleh. i cant find the vanilla commit regarding doppelganger/gremlin wonkiness
14:45 <aosdict> neither can I. did we collectively imagine it?
14:45 <K2> no i remember this
14:45 <K2> few months ago i think
14:46 <Umbire> Hi
14:46 <EvilBot_> Hello Umbire, Welcome to #evilhack
14:47 <Umbire> What's promptin' this talk of spheres
14:48 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/244dc959a852178313283c22a94ba6ba5e9b6177
14:53 <K2> seriously i cant find the doppelganger/gremlin thing
14:53 <K2> lol wtf
14:54 <hothraxxa> calyptus leaf misses Fuggem.  Frightly eats an uncursed eucalyptus leaf. Fuggem dies from its illness.
14:54 <hothraxxa> BUG
14:54 <hothraxxa> oh wait. wrong fucking pet ate it. nm
14:55 <hothraxxa> YOU ASSHOLE FRIGHTLY
14:56 <Umbire> GG
14:56 <mobileuser> rip
15:16 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a large shield entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:37749
15:17 <hothraxxa> godammit tyr, you could have at least made it reflection
15:21 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:83694
15:24 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had an axe entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:37909
15:24 <hothraxxa> aaahhhhhhhhhh
15:25 <hothraxxa> i guess i can use it in the ice re3alm
15:29 <K2> \o/
15:30 <K2> wait until next version and dwarvish bearded axes
15:30 <K2> ^ fun
15:34 <K2> hi
15:34 <EvilBot_> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
15:34 <K2> :P
15:36 <amateurhour> hi
15:36 <EvilBot_> Hello amateurhour, Welcome to #evilhack
16:06 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:39251
16:07 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39253
16:26 <aosdict> K2: maybe it was an xnh thing but I can't find it in xnh either
16:26 <aosdict> was it possibly declared not a bug?
16:28 <K2> dunno
16:28 <aosdict> yeah in vanilla I can get cloning doppelgremlins
16:29 <aosdict> the message from the devs is: "Works As Intended (TM) suck it up buttercup"
16:29 <amateurhour> hahaha
16:30 <K2> amateurhour you should change your handle to 'buttercup'
16:30 <K2> :P
16:30 <aosdict> and break up team a? I don't think you understand the magnitude of what you're suggesting
16:30 <amateurhour> that's his plan, he wants to tear down our united front
16:32 <K2> heh
16:33 <aosdict> we stand together as the united front of a! someone else: "no, the a people's front!"
16:34 <amateurhour> nice
16:35 <aosdict> K2: do you already let the ice queen watch monty python stuff or is she not old enough
16:43 <K2> havent really tried watching the holy grail with her yet
16:43 <K2> she's prob old enough now to appreciate the humor
16:46 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 793037 points, T:84911, killed by Yeenoghu
16:47 <bouquet> sad trombone
16:48 <Umbire> D:!
16:50 <K2> were there other factors at play bouquet? or did he just crush you
16:52 <bouquet> 1 hit took >100hp
16:53 <bouquet> !lastgame bouquet
16:53 <EvilBot_> bouquet: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1613108473.evil.html
16:53 <Umbire> Jesus christ
16:53 <bouquet> oh I think Orcus sucked away my max HP maybe?
16:54 <amateurhour> F
16:56 <bouquet> "you feel your life force drained away"
16:56 <bouquet> my max hp was plummeting with every hit
16:57 <bouquet> I even had a trice corpse in my bag but they both teleported right to me before I had time to engage my brain
17:07 <K2> ooof you were double-teamed
17:09 <mobileuser> ouch ouch ouch
17:09 <mobileuser> I hope that didn't leave bones
17:14 <K2> it may have
17:16 <K2> doh i totally missed qt's PR from this morning
17:19 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 5 commits to master [+0/-0/±12] https://git.io/JtxiR
17:19 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] entrez 5bfc285 - Move some oddly-placed function declarations
17:19 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] entrez aa63ac8 - Move race inv init after role inv init
17:19 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] entrez 5310729 - Consider sea dragon "non-swallower" for engulfing
17:19 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] ... and 2 more commits.
17:19 <K2> ^ nice tweaks
17:21 <mobileuser> no more trying to pick up slimy sea dragon tongues
17:21 <K2> heh
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17:25 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 403 points, T:1837, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food
17:33 <Umbire> Baw
17:37 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Cen Fem Cha), 2428 points, T:2272, killed by a hobbit zombie
17:40 <amateurhour> wouldn't it be cool if they dropped a tongue that you could reanimate by dropping it in water
17:42 <mobileuser> shambling horror summons nasties in my game
17:43 <amateurhour> yikes
17:43 <mobileuser> I dropped scare monster and then bravely ran away
17:43 <amateurhour> brave sir mobi
17:43 <mobileuser> that's me!
17:43 <mobileuser> time to bravely retreat to my stash
17:44 <amateurhour> when danger reared its ugly head
17:44 <amateurhour> he braved turned his tail and fled
17:44 <amateurhour> bravely*
17:44 <mobileuser> I braved the turned tail
17:46 <amateurhour> :D
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19:55 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 601 points, T:1405, killed by a gnome lady
20:09 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2383 points, T:2243, killed by a killer bee
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21:11 <Umbire> K2: pssst
21:12 <Umbire> Did you make any changes in particular to quest nemesis and leaders compared to vanilla?
21:12 <Umbire> I think you integrated the immunity to scaring but I forget exactly what else
21:25 <K2> quest leaders are tougher
21:25 <K2> some minor tweaks to some quest nemesis
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21:26 <Umbire> Such as?
21:26 <Umbire> (also that a yes on the anti-scaring thing)
21:27 <K2> yes
21:27 <K2> dark one can cast more spells
21:27 <K2> i dont remember what all else I did, that may hve been it for nemesis
21:31 <Umbire> Aye
21:33 <K2> best bet is to search the evilhack repo and/or changelog
21:34 <Umbire> Will do later, just wanted clarification on that specific point.
21:34 <Umbire> https://allthetropes.org/w/index.php?title=EvilHack&diff=1870482&oldid=1866499
21:37 <K2> neat
21:56 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:41404
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22:40 <Umbire> K2: Does Aphrodite appear in EvilHack?
22:40 <Umbire> I seem to remember this being the case, dunno why
22:40 <K2> yes
22:40 <Umbire> Ooh okay
22:41 <Umbire> Didn't see her mentioned on the wiki page
22:41 <Umbire> Is she the same as either of her previous appearances or
22:42 <K2> yes
22:42 <Umbire> So SLASH'EM specifically or UnNet
22:42 <Umbire> Guessing UnNet
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22:59 <K2> !tell Umbire unnethack
22:59 <EvilBot_> Will do, K2!
23:15 <bouquet> can I get some help with my evil strategy?
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23:16 <bouquet> I'm inclined to play wizard because I can tame stuff easily, and otherwise have pretty good offensive spells and some utility.
23:16 <bouquet> But I wonder, if I dual wield artifacts as a valk/rogue/sam/knight can I obliterate everything much faster and not have to worry about swarms of mobs?
23:20 <K2> there's pros/cons
23:20 <K2> being able to dual-wield various artifact weapons does add to the 'mow-down' factor
23:21 <K2> but you still dont want to get yourself surrounded if you can help it
23:21 <K2> there are also some object properties on weapons that can make for a great offhand weapon if you're able to find a suitable 2nd artifact weapon
23:22 <K2> *unable
23:23 <bouquet> If you look at my ascension record it's heavily weighted in favor of wizards because I tend to rely on all the spells.  I might try more hack/slash for evilhack and see if that works better.
23:23 <bouquet> *for me
23:24 <K2> a dual-wielding samurai giant is a force to be reckoned with
23:24 <K2> as they can one-hand two-handed weapons
23:24 <K2> (all giants can one-hand two-handed weapons)
23:24 <Umbire> One-handing sam quest arti
23:24 <EvilBot_> Umbire: Message from K2 at 2021-02-28 22:59 EST: unnethack
23:24 <Umbire> pog
23:24 <Umbire> (thank)
23:30 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://git.io/JtxAq
23:30 <Not-71a9> [EvilHack] k21971 6633606 - Some tweaks to sphere spells.
23:32 <bouquet> ya, but giants are tough to get MR and reflection, right?
23:32 <bouquet> I guess I could wish up dragonbane and there's an amulet of MR, right?
23:32 <K2> moreso than other races yes, but its not impossible to have both
23:32 <K2> yes
23:35 <bouquet> maybe after I send this evil knight to an early grave
23:37 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of combat boots entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:2296
23:56 <EvilBot_> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:46835