00:40 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:10294 00:58 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 00:59 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 01:02 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:07 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:08 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 33772 points, T:12508, petrified by a beholder 01:37 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 02:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 146 points, T:687, killed by a fox, while reading a book 02:10 Well, that was a short game. 04:19 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1157 points, T:1480, killed by an imp 04:20 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:31 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 04:36 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:42 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 05:04 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 05:09 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:09 -!- Yushida_ has joined #evilhack 05:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:29 -!- Yushida__ has joined #evilhack 05:29 -!- Yushida__ has quit [Excess Flood] 05:29 -!- Yushida__ has joined #evilhack 05:29 -!- Yushida__ has quit [Excess Flood] 05:30 -!- Yushida__ has joined #evilhack 05:30 -!- Yushida__ has quit [Excess Flood] 05:31 -!- Yushida_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:31 -!- Yushida__ has joined #evilhack 05:31 -!- Yushida__ has quit [Excess Flood] 06:48 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 07:05 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 07:10 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:02 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:13 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/JtAJZ 09:13 [EvilHack] k21971 941200a - Monsters can revive corpses on floor with undead turning. 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7256 09:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) had a ring mail entrusted to him by Odin, on T:31455 09:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8973 09:56 [hdf-us] [evil] owen (Val Dwa Fem Neu), 1463 points, T:2601, zombified by an elf zombie 09:56 drow ideas are shelved until version past 0.7.0 09:57 i started creeping into trying to add too much in one go 09:57 bad no, much sad 09:57 I would advise not doing everything dnethack does with regards to drow 09:57 that wasnt even a consideration 09:57 i had a look. its nuts 09:57 e.g. no different gendered quests and all that 09:58 i made a note on the etherpad regarding drow 09:58 so i dont forget 10:00 the worst part about dnh drow is the blindness 10:00 yup 10:01 that actually goes against d&d canon 10:01 the unique quest and role stuff is pretty epic 10:01 well d&d isn't some holy text that no works of literature can ever deviate from :P 10:01 drizzt does just fine in the surface world iirc 10:02 amateurhour true, but I like to use it as a guide 10:02 and then make adjustments that fit nethack 10:02 in fact, all of the d&d books are meant to be guides/framework. the dungeon master can make changes as they see fit 10:03 yeah 10:03 (and they usually do) 10:03 yep 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:12314 10:23 but i already have a bag of holding rngesus :( 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:12889 10:47 k2: make the fact that they *seem* to have a monopoly on all things tabletop kinda shitty honestly 10:48 a monopoly? there's a whole universe of tabletop games out there 10:48 they just own one of the most popular 10:48 The key word is >seem< aosdict 10:48 K2: can the player in evilhack eat a iron container and its contents whole? 10:49 hah 10:49 no idea 10:49 lets see 10:49 I just tried in xnethack, it worked. but it shouldn't work 10:49 obj materials bug really 10:50 This iron safe is delicious! 10:50 ^ as rust monster 10:50 same 10:50 well it was an iron chest for me but whatevs 10:50 right 10:50 eat the container but spit out any undesireable contents 10:51 you spit out contents? 10:51 i'm saying thats what should happen 10:51 in vanilla there's a comment that the polyd player should not be able to eat containers at all 10:52 er, containers with contents 10:52 that'd make things simpler 10:52 this is enforced for gelatinous cubes but metal containers don't exist in vanilla so they didn't account for it 10:52 you're going to want to look at the xnethack commit I'm working on 10:53 ok 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a pair of cloth old gloves entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:21992 10:55 h - a pair of cloth gauntlets of fumbling 10:55 fuck you tyr 10:55 \o/ 10:55 fuck you jobu, i do it myself 10:55 when they do that are the gloves still 90% cursed? 10:55 no 10:56 they're probably blessed and +5 10:57 h) a blessed +5 pair of cloth gauntlets of fumbling (being worn) 11:01 i think i may do something about that for next version 11:01 the joke is starting to wear thin 11:02 my name is hothraxxa and i approve of this sentiment 11:02 food time, back in a bit 11:03 is there a threshhold where your chances of an artifact gift improve? 11:03 dammit come back here. i have questions 11:03 yes 11:03 the higher exp level you are, the better chance of receiving an artifact gift 11:03 ..and it is? 11:04 oh so it just scales 11:04 yes 11:04 Ooh 11:04 o: 11:04 ok thanks. you may go eat now 11:05 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/pray.c#L2078 11:05 100% chance meaning if there's still an artifact left to dole out 11:06 ^ do not know if this info lives on the wiki 11:06 ok foooood 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:2233 12:08 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonbane", on T:15581 12:17 playing evilhack with the cat on my head, let's see if it enhances my game 12:17 lol 12:29 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 12:47 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 15 arrows on an altar, on T:4572 12:56 hah 12:57 cats on heads 12:57 ^ good band name 12:59 a tin of jellyfish meat 13:00 fish is not meat :-) 13:00 it is 13:00 jellyfish aren't "fish" tho 13:00 yeah 13:01 confusing! :b 13:02 peanut butter jelly? 13:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekIzGfJkBs 13:03 ah, that cleared everything up, thx! 13:03 lol 13:12 "a - a dwarven root" 13:12 that must be someone's fruit name? 13:13 yup 13:14 orctown related 13:14 not someone 13:15 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 13:17 Ye 13:17 Dwarven root and paddle cactus are named fruit that Orctown orcs may carry 13:18 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:18 aaah 13:18 Speaking of Orctown my phone game has... a lot of orc captains... 13:18 -!- telegarn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:19 -!- telegarn has joined #evilhack 13:34 yeah but they're common 13:34 oops 13:41 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 247 points, T:1774, killed by an elf zombie 13:50 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (elves), on T:1 14:13 there is a distinct lack of dwarves in the mines. must be all those bloody orctown orcs. 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 14:30 dwarvish mattock when 14:34 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 14:37 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:21429 14:39 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:42 heh used a magic beam trap to kill a leocrotta 14:42 orcish mattock when 14:42 ANY mattock please 14:42 my arc is getting tired of his lousy pickaxe 14:47 do you bother enchanting the pickaxe or that waste of the scroll? 14:47 Depends on how long you plan to make use of it 14:48 I forget if enchantment affects digging speed 14:50 haven't ID'ed any scrolls yet, but I have never enchanted a pickaxe 14:54 it does help digging btw, it's just not important 14:54 if I have spare enchant weapon scrolls on a monk that's what I enchant 14:55 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 14:56 o 14:56 I enchant mattocks if I'm playing Arc and planning to use one for the longhaul 14:57 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 15:01 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:09 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 15:12 it definitely helps digging. i do it sometimes in gehennom 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:21736 15:23 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:8738 15:32 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 15:41 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:35100 16:07 finally a - a blessed dwarvish mattock 16:07 gratz! 16:08 That feeling when you walk around with magic lamps but have no holy water yet and are constantly on the verge of dying 16:09 at least I can smash things hard now :-) 16:10 ah yes that 'oh boy am I gonna leave some epic bones for someone' feeling 16:16 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:27854 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:27858 16:22 I think I have a magic lamp in my current phone game 16:23 wanna make sure though 16:23 probably getting GDSM to go with my SoR 16:25 nice! 16:26 "The small mimic pulls your key away from you and absorbs it!" 16:26 D:!? 16:26 How does this game manage to keep surprising me 16:26 next they'll be eating shields 16:26 heh 16:26 aosdict: the vanilla ban on eating containers with contents blocks an obvious polyself tactic for getting at the contents of cursed BoHs 16:27 ^vanilla ban on the polymorphed player* 16:27 -!- telegarn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:28 such inventiveness should be rewarded 16:28 it was not obvious to me! 16:28 -!- telegarn has joined #evilhack 16:30 mobileuser: hostile gelatinous b can still serve the purpose 16:30 and with a wand of undead turning, you can transport them between levels, assuming they leave a corpse 16:31 at least, last time I tried this, it worked (might have been pre 3.6) 16:32 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:29136 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29140 16:34 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:34 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:39 it would be more work to implement "you eat the container and spit out the contents". I have enough work already, so I'm not interested in doing that 16:40 also, the set of "problems solved by controlled polyself" is quite large enough as is 16:41 tinklebear nice 16:41 the gelcube robber tool 16:42 rebatela \o/ 16:42 master kaen down 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 t-shirt of decay", on T:29317 16:43 you have both eyes now? 16:43 i forgot dragonhide 16:43 dammit 16:43 yeah both eyes 16:44 just wasted a wish tho 16:44 ouch! 16:44 little tipsy 16:44 wand was 0:3 i'll be ok 16:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance", on T:29330 16:45 the other shirt could be a nice gift for a pet 16:46 true 16:47 i really want magic missle. I think i'm going to max luck and try to write it 16:47 it's really not that hard to right lvl 2 book if you luck is maxed 16:47 write* 16:48 done VotD yet? 16:48 no 16:48 i should wait. you're right 16:48 even if i don't find it there will be books to polypile 16:50 aosdict: did not intend to volunteer/shanghai you. Stay free! 16:55 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 17:00 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:12 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) wished for "historic very holy blessed unlocked partly eaten thoroughly +7 dragonhide elven helm of decay named lifestealerbane by levelkeepers", on T:27117 17:12 wrote mm in 3 tries. took like 30 charges. not bad 17:14 thirty charges for three tries sounds like the bare minimum expenditure (for three tries), so yeah, that isn't bad at all 17:15 I feel like people never even try to write spellbooks unless they are wizards 17:15 it's not that hard. gotta max out the luck and it isn't so bad 17:17 ink is funny. can be used for so many things, so working out priorities can be ... paralysing 17:19 It's probably because most roles can make do with whatever they pick up 17:20 And magic markers are hard to come by, when you finally DO find one you've prob. also found more than a few books as well 17:20 yeah, going with the flow can be kind of fun in its own right. 17:25 well, as far as evil goes. It drove me nuts at first that there were no markers, but you end up finding enough stuff with the player monsters and everything and polypiling, it is never an issue. 17:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 speed boots", on T:37139 17:25 i wished for a marker there because i'm lazy and wanted a spell and it made more sense thanwishing for the spellbook, but i can't remember last time i needed a marker in eh... 17:28 Yeah 17:28 I've yet to hit a player monster myself 17:28 Hoping I can fill out my kit when I do 17:28 you're playing evil on your phone!?? 17:29 the player monster generation seems to crank up somewhere above xp level 10. not sure what/where the trigger is. 17:29 i think it is indeed 10 17:29 i thought i saw k2 say something about it 17:30 it becomes much more likely around xl 10 or something like that 17:33 yeah level 10 17:38 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 17:43 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:10706 17:45 sigh 17:46 Stepped on a magic trap, gelcube next to me 17:47 zapped poly wand, I think it became a zruty that nearly killed me before I reached the stairs 17:47 unfortunately the luckstone is going to have to wait for a while 17:48 rebatela: lmfao I wish, I'm talking about my HDF evil game 17:52 heh 17:52 Oh, K2 17:52 oh 17:52 hi 17:52 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 17:52 o 17:52 I was gonna ask this anyway but you're here so you can clarify best 17:52 i'm not gay 17:52 How do artiwishes work again with player monsters 17:52 k2 pls 17:52 i mean i experimented in college a bit but who didnt 17:53 :P 17:53 My understanding was "The item shows up in your inventory but it has a chance to summon its owner next to you" 17:53 Is that right or 17:53 no 17:53 * tinklebear didn't 17:53 heh 17:53 Then what's it do? o: 17:53 when you wish for an artifact, there's a chance the owner shows up (100% if its a quest artifact) 17:53 My next guess was "summon the owner with the artifact in their inventory" 17:54 ^ that 17:54 if the owner shows up, they have the artifact in their inventory and will use it against you 17:54 icic 17:55 previous game I made a wish in a co-aligned temple, that worked very well 17:55 speaking of this "use it against you" thing, I wand-o-deathed Ixoth. magic mirror of merlin reflection-when-carried didn't do Ixoth much good! 17:55 oh snap 17:55 :O 17:56 i dont think that flag works for monsters? 17:56 steal the mirror and then have ixoth burninate himself by breathing at you 17:56 artifact 'when carried' property 17:56 player monsters should have magic markers sometimes 17:56 i need to look 17:56 rebatela nerp 17:56 because they would have wished for them 17:56 since they have wishes? 17:56 it follows logically 17:56 aosdict: lol, that's how a real pro would do it 17:56 lol no 17:57 player monsters dont spawn with wishing wands 17:57 they have death wands and they aren't exactly lying around 17:57 opposing player monsters are all speedrunners 17:57 that's why they don't act like thorough packrats like every player 17:58 rebatela what's the first thing you do when you get a marker 17:58 in vanilla? there are no markers in evilhack, remember? 17:58 there are 17:58 rebatela what's the first thing you do when you get a marker 17:58 id it if i can 17:58 after that 17:58 write charging if i know it and i don't have anymore charging scrolls 17:58 ^ bingo 17:58 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 17:59 player monsters dont have markers because they've already used them 18:07 ah i see why tinklebear, forgot about this 18:07 in artifact.c 18:07 if (spfx & SPFX_REFLECT) { 18:07 ./* Knights only have to carry the mirror; everyone else must wield it */ 18:07 if (Role_if(PM_KNIGHT)) { 18:07 if (on) 18:07 EReflecting |= wp_mask; 18:07 else 18:07 EReflecting &= ~wp_mask; 18:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30181 18:09 Distressingly logical, that 18:10 So you gonna make an additional exception for Ixoth 18:10 or try something else? 18:10 no 18:10 * K2 makes Ixoth a silver dragon 18:10 :P 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Robber, on T:30239 18:12 what IS Ixoth from if anything 18:12 and why was his tile a demon 18:13 kind of curious what the motive was for nerfing mirror's reflection (itself sort of a nerfy downgrade from MR) for non-knights 18:13 interesting, though, whatever the reason 18:14 wait what? 18:14 you don't get reflection if you're not a knight? 18:15 It's a "nerf" in the sense that Knight's don't actively have to wield the Mirror, rebatela 18:15 Knights* 18:15 but, like, who in hell wants to have to wield a mirror, ever? 18:15 you can get reflection, you just have to wield it 18:15 if not a knight 18:15 Lawful monks who can't be fucked to carry shields? 18:15 evil 18:15 slex does that with a lot of artifacts :^) 18:15 Just to spitball 18:15 i wanted to wish for it for mr when i was tryingto ascend the law gia monk 18:16 lawful artifacts are garbage 18:16 the mirror was switched from MR to relfection before evilhack ever went live 18:16 *reflection 18:16 meaning its been that way from the get-go 18:16 K2, I don't even want to wield the ranger quest artifact for its reflection. no way i'm wielding some dumb mirror 18:16 * Umbire swats rebatela with the Sceptre of Might 18:16 yeah i knew that 18:16 totally on board with it being change to reflection 18:16 heh 18:17 i like your game 18:17 but what are they saying that it's only for knights? 18:17 i still don't understand 18:17 what lawful monks would wield the mirror to get reflection... 18:17 ok 18:17 if you have the mirror 18:17 if you're a knight, it only has to be in open inventory for reflection to work 18:17 if not a knight, you have to wield the mirror for its reflection to work 18:18 oh oh ok 18:18 nice 18:18 i think in 3.4.3 you only had to carry the mirror for mr similar to eota 18:18 yup 18:18 I mean, it pretty much means if you're not a knight, the mirror is a bad wish 18:18 this mirror change comes from the knight patch in sporkhack fyi 18:18 (and if you are a knight, it's an impossible wish, ofc) 18:18 the mirror would still give you half spell damage 18:19 ah, okay. so half-spell-damage becomes more costly. got it. 18:19 so its not a total wash 18:19 any thoughts on a replacement arti MR for lawfuls? 18:19 nope, no thoughts 18:19 hehe 18:21 the sceptre of might is actually pretty bad ass, esp now that its a heavy mace 18:21 I mean half spell damage is still inherently sick to have 18:21 And it's not like you need to wield the Mirror to get THAT out of it 18:21 half spell damage is a big deal on astral plane 18:21 yeah, I was forgetting about the half spell damage thing. 18:22 * K2 lightly caresses and whispers sweet nothings to his magical amulet of resistance to peer pressure and slex trolls 18:23 new monster: Slex Troll, vocal attack that does AD_WHINE damage 18:23 stay strong, K2 18:23 whatcha think amateurhour? sound good? :) 18:24 :/ 18:24 :P 18:24 ^ sarcastic tongue of sarcasm 18:24 new lawful artifact 18:25 confers triple MR 18:26 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:27 slex has double invis and double mr and reflection right? 18:28 we're skiping double and going straight to triple 18:28 skipping 18:28 *hold hands and skip 18:29 lol 18:29 it wasn't a sarcastic question it was just a question 18:29 slex does that with a lot of artifacts :^) 18:29 if you have double MR then death magic still works 10% of the time 18:29 gotta meet that evil quota 18:29 good day to you, sir 18:30 only with triple MR are you protected 99% of the time 18:32 oh thought you were saying the question about a replacement arti MR for lawfuls was sarcastic 18:32 slex does do that with a lot of artifacts, the hand of vecna from slashem for example gives half phys dam 18:32 but in slex it has to be wielded 18:33 it does nothing as a weapon it's just a hand 18:34 :P 18:34 dinner, back later. gnite if you go and i miss ya 18:35 ;later 18:36 -!- Umbire_ has joined #evilhack 18:37 good eating, K2 18:40 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:44 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:46 -!- Umby has joined #evilhack 18:49 -!- Umbire_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:52 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 19:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:48 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 19:53 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:23 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:55 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4416 points, T:2637, killed by a dwarf queen 22:15 -!- Umby has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 22:40 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "Good morning"] 22:50 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 22:55 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:02 any suggestions for cerberus? Is it a straight up fight? Will Charon get upset? 23:03 dont worry about charon 23:04 cerberus is tough but (currently) nothing too crazy 23:04 I'll see what I can manage. 23:15 wear I didn't touch charon but he's angry now. 23:15 %s/wear/swear 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:81145 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:81165 23:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:81860 23:34 if you attack a peaceful in his presence, he'll get angry 23:34 hangry 23:40 well, maybe Charon needs to put his dog on a leash! 23:55 :)