00:10 aosdict: I've been playing for 75 years now. 00:10 so, I have 12 blessed ?oGenocide. Already wiped out liches. Anything else in eh I should put at the top of the list 00:10 ? 00:12 Alhoon if you can nab them 00:12 Beyond that I don't have enough experience to say 00:13 alhoons are the undead mindflayers? 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 27380 points, T:15841, killed by an energy vortex 00:22 Mindflayer liches specifically 00:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:01 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 02:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2555 03:03 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4572 03:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 9495 points, T:4877, killed by a dwarvish soldier 03:11 I didn't realise they follow you downstairs. :( 03:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 82 points, T:159, killed by a giant mimic 03:48 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:52 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 2457 points, T:2708, killed by a gas cloud 03:59 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:59 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1661 points, T:3592, killed by a giant ant 04:23 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 04:26 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:32 -!- stenno2 has joined #evilhack 04:33 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a yeti corpse, on T:3143 04:36 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 4485 points, T:4761, killed by a wolf 04:37 -!- stenno3 has joined #evilhack 04:38 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonbane", on T:3824 04:49 I was hoping to use that potion of Obj Detection. 04:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4394 05:11 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8821 points, T:6001, killed by an owlbear 05:12 Wierdly high-HP owlbear. 05:58 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:59 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4225 07:03 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 5892 points, T:4581, killed by an elven king 07:56 bouquet: if it still matters, you usually want to unbless scrolls of genocide. except for L, you want to go for individual monsters 07:57 in order, i would do alhoon, then vampire mages 07:57 hill giant shamans 08:04 man, after watching mobileuser use them as pets I don't think i'll be genociding vampire mages 08:04 kind of like keeping black dragons around 08:05 but yeah, alhoon is always #1 but I guess in the new version you can't get rid of them until you complete a side branch? 08:05 vampire mages have given me way more grief in evilhack than any value on having one as a pet. ymmv. 08:07 i can usually deal with black dragons without much trouble. i had two vampire mages in the valley in my last ascension and they mobbed me with nasties, and some eventually gated in yeenoghu and juiblex, all while i was surrounded and they were cursing my stuff 08:07 so fuck vampire mages with a red hot wire brush 08:08 i have 2 magic lamps (very early game) but of course I can't get to an altar or even get my AC down. Mines are blocked. no pickaxe 08:09 so annoying when you go down the stairs and it's just water 08:10 hah. i have 3 magic lamps and no holy water or co-aligned altar. besides, for some reason tyr is displeased but i don't know why 08:10 13x4 hardware store. no pickaxe or boh 08:10 i was terminally ill, hadn't prayed before, tried praying. tyr is displeased 08:10 2 lamps tho 08:10 yeah fuck tyr 08:10 so sick of those jerks being displeased for no reason 08:11 i must have had negative luck or alignment but i don't know why 08:11 full moon too i think 08:11 !pom 08:11 rebatela: The moon is full for 4 more days. 08:11 i saved myself by zapping poly at me and i got lucky and became a new giant 08:11 oh nice 08:11 are you doing the lawful giant valk? 08:12 yeah. then i found a gold amulet of life saving and put it on. a few turns later, terminally ill again 08:12 lawful giant is tough... 08:12 yes i am 08:12 yes it is 08:12 i like to artiwish lol. that's why i don't like it 08:13 if i ever bless these lamps, i'll have to figure out what to wish for but it will probably be at least one artifact 08:14 maybe mobileuser will try lawful giant valk next and my attempt will be moot, since i won't bother once someone ascends one 08:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 08:18 yeah that's why i gave up on centaur monk once i realized he was going to get it 08:19 i wish i was a giant valk right now though lol. i think you have a better shot of blessing your lamps 08:19 i could buy protection now too dammit. i just need some sort of digging tool 08:20 K2: should sea dragon "swallow" or "engulf" you? 08:20 good morning btw 08:20 morning 08:21 qt: i would say that depends on whether they digest you. iirc they don't so engulf 08:21 they smother 08:22 morning 08:22 it sucks when it happens. definitely one of the advantages of playing giant 08:23 sea dragon attack is AT_ENGL just like all other dragons 08:23 but their damage is AD_WRAP instead of AD_DGST 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 7127 points, T:4141, killed by a dwarf king 08:24 I know but should it be described as "swallowing" or "engulfing"? this difference also affects whether you "pierce their stomach wall" or "are expelled with a squelch", and some other things 08:24 AD_WRAP is where all the special suffocation code is 08:24 hmm 08:25 lemme think 08:25 are they made of water? 08:25 K2: I can send you the list of things if affects if you want, one sec 08:25 i believe that was my intent yeah 08:25 ok 08:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products (pancake) for the first time, on T:3391 08:26 yes that was my intent - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c0efa08e30e656f95ee212df0993d748475737d9 08:26 it's all the stuff I changed here to make dragons "swallow" instead of "engulf", but I am thinking sea dragons might be the exception 08:26 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/41d08b6ee55c34095571715d0701000cde28bffc 08:26 I forget that pancake is an animal product. 08:26 "entrails" vs "currents" 08:27 whether they burp when swallowing another creature 08:27 yeah sea dragon should be the exception i think 08:27 given their composition 08:27 ok cool I am gonna submit a PR with various minor changes and I will include that 08:28 they would be more akin to a water elemental in that regard 08:28 sweet 08:28 yeah I agree, I feel like you could make an argument either way though 08:28 depending on how you imagine them probably 08:29 i imagine them dead and leaving scales 08:29 :) 08:29 i wore sdsm for a lot of my last ascension 08:29 glad its scales get some actual use 08:30 what do they give you? water breathing? 08:30 that plus the ability to swim 08:30 they aren't easy to get since sea dragons tend to die over water 08:30 i tried to teleport one onto land but it kept winding up over water, i assume there's code for that 08:31 yes 08:31 they prefer being on water 08:31 yeah i gave up and just used boulders to let me dig for the scales, which fortunately it left 08:32 also be aware, they are the only dragon that cant fly 08:32 i did not know that but it makes sense 08:32 they're also the only dragon that can swim 08:32 i did know that 08:32 great 08:37 EPI: they can not only swim, they can also dissolve into one part of a body of water and reform out of a different part instantly 08:37 Gold Golem didn't get scared away from my scroll of scare monster, either. 08:37 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3956 points, T:4998, killed by a gold golem 08:37 Is that an evil-ism or in vanila, too? 08:37 I think in evil mindless monsters don't get scared 08:38 Ah, good to know. So next time, I should've dropped the scroll sooner, and just focused on the golems first. 08:38 correct 08:38 cant be scared if you dont have a mind 08:39 Will keep that in mind. :) 08:39 G'night! It's nealry 1am here. 08:40 gnite arahael o/ 08:42 night arahael 08:43 Night 08:44 qt: if this goes through you better credit me >:C 08:44 -!- stenno3 is now known as stenno 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 8902 points, T:5222, killed by a giant mimic 09:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:49 even the lichens are beefed up in evilhack 09:50 "You feel a strange lethargy overcome you." wtf?! 09:52 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 09:54 lichens can slow you down 09:59 and even do a little bit of damage, unlike vanilla 10:01 ah the wiki page already mentions this 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 10:39 rebatela: in Splice I like to collect vampire mages and nosferatu. Nos cause paralysis which is an amazing passive trait to have 10:45 can you poly into them and para things? 10:51 haven't tried. I just collect them as pets 10:53 they paralyze everything around you, though. 10:53 wearing sea dragon scales and amulet of magical breathing underwater -> take off sea dragon scales -> "you suddenly inhale an unhealthy amount of water!" despite still having magical breathing 10:53 is that intended? you don't drown or anything, but it still says you inhale the water 10:55 maybe magical breathing allows you to breathe water like air? but if so it's not really "unhealthy" I guess lol 10:59 K2 i am in desperate need of your input on this matter 10:59 not intended 10:59 you try the weirdest stuff 10:59 oversight on my part 10:59 you should just get rid of sea dragons... too much hasslew 11:00 nerp 11:02 sea dragons can't fly? I could have sworn i've seen them on plane of air 11:07 possibly one came through the portal from water 11:10 ^ that 11:10 speaking of unhealthy i have stashed an unhealthy amount of stuff in ardjawinangun's icebox 11:10 however, i'll dbl-check to make sure 11:10 iceboxes are great for stashing because monsters don't loot them 11:11 however this one is in a deli 11:11 gotta keep those potions cool 11:11 give your spellbooks that nice freshly-printed temperature 11:12 nothing sings more beautifully than a well-fridged longsword 11:13 monsters don't loot iceboxes? 11:13 I seem to remember one taking out a lizard corpse or something 11:14 probably not when it's in a shop 11:15 they should 11:15 if they dont, they will 11:15 there are corpses monsters desire to have 11:16 in a shop may be different but i dont see why 11:16 i need to review the looting bits again 11:17 lol fell into water because I thought it was a fountain 11:18 F 11:19 The elven lord carefully opens the ice box... The elven lord retrieves a lizard corpse (10 aum) from the ice box. 11:19 ^ didnt change anything 11:20 and if there is a desirable object other than food in there? 11:21 The elven lord carefully opens the ice box... The elven lord retrieves a blessed fireproof +7 unicorn horn (20 aum) from the ice box. 11:21 ah 11:21 well 11:21 and if the icebox is still the property of a shopkeeper? 11:21 i have seen monsters ignore ice boxes so i thought they always did 11:22 mobileuser: that doesn't bother monsters 11:22 only intelligent monsters that have hands will loot containers 11:22 shopkeepers should get mad at monsters then :b 11:22 way back when i thought leaving things in a shop protected them from monsters. learned quickly that it doesn't work 11:23 yeah it's ridiculous. i walk out without paying and the kops show up. monsters do it and shopkeeper shrugs 11:23 i have exploited this 11:24 this is the way 11:24 let the monsters steal for you 11:24 eg a band of orcs spawns inside a shop. i wait for them to emerge 11:24 imagine if the kops arrested you for receiving stolen goods 11:24 its because monsters in the dungeon are part of the Yendorian Monsters Union 11:25 shopkeepers turn a blind eye 11:25 the kops are corrupt 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16082 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:74074 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:74076 11:41 now I see why uncursed geno is better :/ 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:74078 11:51 lol 11:56 yeah blessed is only good for L really 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:16760 11:57 although I have seen K2 wipe out all ; with several blessed scrolls for some reason 11:57 must really hate fish 11:59 in slex blessed geno does 1 uncursed version as well as the ordinary blessed geno, but the blessed part can be resisted 11:59 not sure what other variants do when they've changed blessed geno 12:07 mobileuser i'll do that when i enter the plane of water 12:07 buh bye ; 12:14 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Fem Neu), 3018 points, T:2047, quit 12:17 Yeah, that's standard Plane of Water tactics 12:17 amateurhour: unnethack blessed lets you genocide one type of monster instead of a class. uncursed kills one type of monster on the current level. cursed is like vanilla IIRC 12:18 amateurhour: blessed in spork genocides 2 random types of monsters from the specified class. uncursed and cursed is unchanged IIRC 12:18 not sure if there are other variants that have changed it 12:20 I guess sporkhack is the same as evilhack there then 12:20 what does 'type of monster' mean for unnethack? 12:21 on plane of water many players geno kraken and electric eels 12:21 using blessed to wipe out all ; seems like a waste... 12:21 but to each their own :-) 12:24 hmmm ok you only need 3 blessed for ; 12:24 not too bad 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 12:43 https://0x0.st/-KMu.jpg 12:43 weevilhack 12:44 rofl 12:44 heh 13:09 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:14423 13:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3167 13:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu), 2344 points, T:3372, poisoned by a quasit 13:20 don't you just hate poison instakill 13:20 rip dwarf arc 13:21 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:21 I blame Arahael :-) 13:21 bones level... 13:23 one of the many reasons i play monk (PR at xl 3) 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of boxing gloves entrusted to her by Odin, on T:19190 13:26 if you can reach 35% poison res, poison instakill is no longer a thing 13:26 it just hurts 13:26 don't cry because it's over, just be happy it happened at all 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17654 13:28 yeah I should have abondened the mines after seeing the quasit 13:30 yay dex 13 on the new roll 13:30 previous one had dex 8 13:52 going for more nonascended combos? 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:19761 14:01 amateurhour: one type of monster, as one species, as in "snow ant", "newt", "master mindflayer" 14:01 oh I see 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1093 points, T:3609, quit 14:20 amateurhour yes, neutral dwarf arc 15:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 532 points, T:1668, killed by an invisible werejackal, while sleeping 15:30 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) had a darkwood staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:6986 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:8517 15:36 wonder how long before i eat/sacrifice an elf by mistake... 15:38 took a while to get used to not eating giants. i used to always play human 15:41 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 89 points, T:449, killed by handling a wand of polymorph that was made of iron 15:50 ha!!! ^^ welcome to my world 15:50 elf early game suuuucks apparently 15:51 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "historic holy thoroughly extinguished diluted very dragonhide +5 gauntlets of protection named it would be a shame if something happened to me", on T:15776 15:51 hell yeah... those are the best gloves 15:52 dragonbane is overrated. except it's hard to get acid resistance otherwise 15:52 giants have almost no ways to get mc3 15:52 i know... i wear the ring a lot 15:52 as lawful you can wish for mitre of holiness although you probably don't cast spells as vakl 15:53 when i feel ready i'm going for the mirror 15:53 and the ring and the mitre don't stack unfortunately 15:53 yeah but you know it's reflection in evil, right? 15:54 amulet of guarding gives mc1 too i think but that's a tough slot to have free 15:54 yes that's one reason i want it. if king arthur shows up he brings excalibur but he's no pushover 15:55 yeah some of the quest owners are really tough 15:55 whatever they are called 15:55 leaders 15:55 neferet 15:57 sometimes I will wish for eota in say the top of sokoban and have like an escape hole dug. and just get the artifact in the game and then go back and kill her when I'm stronger 15:58 because it sucks when the count gets ruined by artifacts at the castle or bones etc. 15:58 gah! i always forget to unwield the goddam lamp after wisdhing. tried to bash a wolf to death with it 15:58 i'll be playing a weaponless giant and some garbage weapon ruins wishing 15:58 hehe 15:59 hm. thanks for that idea 16:00 i go to sokoban when i want an artifact wish but it didn't occur to me to wish and then leave 16:00 yeah that is a clever idea 16:00 giants have almost no ways to get mc3 <--- wut? 16:00 as a giant i can pre-make the hole and stand on it 16:00 gauntlets of protection 16:00 well i figured it out after running for my life many times and just abandoning her and having to go back... then i started doing it like at the top of the dungeon, but sometimes they have digging wands. that really sucks 16:01 scroll back, k2. my gop wish is how this conversation started 16:01 ah 16:01 carry on 16:01 sorry, the superbag? 16:01 that can help yeah 16:02 what gives MC2 in your slots as giant? 16:02 doesn't that make it very easy to get MC3 later in the game 16:02 mc3 with the bag and a ring and... 16:02 some mithril hat or something is already MC1? 16:02 think the mithril hat is only if you're an elf or something? memory fuzzy 16:03 mmm 16:03 back in the day when i splatted two giant monks in a row on astral due to getting nailed with special attacks, i complained and that's how gauntlets of protection came to be 16:03 no armour that gives MC1 for giants? 16:03 only body armor can confer MC 16:03 exception being cloak/gauntlets of protection 16:03 and cornauthum 16:03 (sp) 16:03 a smaurai is the only giant who can wear body armour 16:03 ah ok 16:03 smamerii 16:04 smamausrai 16:04 yeah, then it's a problem 16:04 in early evil a giant could not get mc3 16:04 i'm usually too worried about getting mr and reflection to care about mc 16:04 1 from intrinsic protection, 1 from superbag 16:04 but once i have them, it's what i think about 16:04 MC2 usually good enough 16:04 yeah, just need 1 more... 16:04 serious question - how would you all feel about Drow as a playable race 16:05 lol if you copy dnh's drow everyone is gonna hate it 16:05 no 16:05 whatever you do don't make them blind in the light 16:05 no 16:05 that's not how real drow operate anyways 16:06 i tend to follow canon from ad&d 16:06 specifically 1st edition 16:07 i was going to joke that he's not taking it from dnh, but straight from the ad&d handbook. But here we are anyway 16:07 :) 16:07 good stuff k2 16:07 fiend folio to be precise 16:07 it's hard to make them not just a worse elf 16:07 i have ideas™ 16:07 because iirc drow aren't immune to sleep and charms 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:75161 16:09 amateurhour: the bag doesn't stack with intrinsic protection 16:09 yeah you only get 1 pt from any of that stuff i think 16:09 or extrinsic either 16:09 ring, mitre, bag 16:09 it's like 1 jewelery point 16:09 amulet 16:09 now 16:10 maybe the protection spell should give temporary mc+1 16:10 hothraxxa it does, but perhaps only if you have body armour 16:10 wiki is unclear 16:10 it is a bitch for giants. but a lot of things are 16:10 it kind of balances out. I think giants are pretty balanced 16:11 iirc it does combine to be mc2 but the mc1 from intrinsic protection is lost if wearing body armour 16:11 which giants don't 16:11 I think that's what we figured out right, mobileuser? 16:11 uhm 16:11 remember when you were confused by how you had mc2? 16:11 on your giant somethingorother 16:12 as non-giant this often works: MC1 body armour, superbag, intrinsic = MC3 16:12 what stacks with what keeps confusing me :b 16:13 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 16:15 hmm trying in wizard mode and doesn't work 16:19 :( 16:19 confused 16:19 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 16:21 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1280 points, T:2090, killed by a dwarf lady 16:32 i do not believe superbag and intrinsic stack 16:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Fem Neu), 2246 points, T:3932, killed by a wolf 16:33 actually mobileuser none of those stack afaik 16:33 well I have experienced this stacking 16:34 checking with wands of enlightment 16:35 yeah you only get one point from all of that crap 16:35 it's confusing, but: 16:35 the mc most people get used to come from cloak, but i think now only cloak of protection gives good mc but giants can't wear a cloak at all so they are F'd 16:35 "Intrinsic protection counts as magic cancellation 1, but doesn't stack with armor sources." 16:35 However 16:36 Extrinsic protection does 16:36 And Intrinsic + extrinsic can stack 16:37 so MC1 body armour + extrinsic + intrinsic will give MC3 16:37 all this is useless to giants 16:38 ok i am a giant in wizmode with intrinsic and a ring. i am warded 16:38 now try non giant 16:38 oh i am holding the bag also 16:39 add MC1 body armour 16:43 see also this giant samurai dumplog: https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1604060225.evil.html 16:43 You were protected. 16:43 Wearing Dragonbane 16:44 splint mail: MC1 16:47 confusion intensifies 16:49 yeah giants can only get MC2, but ;4 is going to change the protection spell to grant +1 mc 16:50 it should also give more ac like dnh spell does 16:52 I also checked my barbarian giant asc, there I was guarded 16:53 what does that mean? 16:53 mc1? 16:53 MC2 16:53 ahh 16:53 like you said 16:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 9555 points, T:9137, killed by a bolt of lightning 16:54 so it looks like intrinsic + extrinsic stack 16:54 even without body armour 16:54 why didn't it work for me just now in wizmode? 16:54 i never wear body armor 16:54 confusion intensifies more intensely 16:54 neither does amateurhour 16:54 did you buy protection amateurhour? 16:54 yeah 16:55 he plays the game fair and square. NO ARMOR. NO FOOD. dammit 16:55 (i eat corpses) 16:55 lol 16:55 maybe try a vanilla vegan one rebatela, I think you'll find you miss corpses less than you think :P 16:55 i got weaponless in my vanilla ascension today tho! 16:55 gratz!! 16:55 yeah i like a nice steak 16:56 nice goblin corpse on dl1 right off the bat! 16:56 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 16:56 yum 16:56 the only thing you'll really 'miss' is telepathy 16:56 can't do the vegan thing 16:56 i've never tried 16:56 you start with enough vegan food as monk so it's no problem at all 16:57 strange that it doesn't work in wizmode 16:57 yeah but that food is for taming pets 16:57 the fortune cookies? you eat them? 16:57 cmon 16:57 cats and dogs, my friend 16:58 fortune cookies aren't vegan 16:58 they are a trap 16:58 apples and oranges bring the warhorses to the magic whistle 16:59 omg do the cookies really break vegan? 16:59 I don't often eat the apples and oranges, just the food rations is enough to get you to the point where food isn't a problem 16:59 yes 16:59 :P 16:59 yeah.. 16:59 they're a nasty trap honestly lol 16:59 the way i started playing monk was i used to play priests but it was a new moon and couldn't pray for being hungry so i picked a role that startedf with food 16:59 had never played 16:59 them 16:59 and i found a WoW on DL1 but couldn't wish because of negative luck 16:59 so had to survive 17:00 new moon doesn't actually lower luck btw 17:00 yeah 17:00 it was friday the 13th 17:00 it waas somethign 17:00 oh right, epic 17:00 nice troll by the rng haha 17:00 first wish off the wand i didn't get 17:00 and that clued me into the neg luck 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 40 points, T:1, caught himself in his own ball of cold 17:00 i came onhere and asked i think 17:00 or usenet 17:00 long time ago 17:01 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:01 is there some way to start with neg luck? i swear this happened 17:01 i couldn't wish 17:02 i've gotten cursed things before from wishing with a wand with bad luck 17:02 but this was right off the bad. denied the wish 17:04 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 17:04 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 17:07 −1 if started or restored on Friday the 13th 17:07 (says wiki) 17:09 yeah that's what it was 17:09 nao 17:09 i'll find the game 17:09 i splatted on astral :( 17:09 but have played monks ever since 17:09 all because of the starting food 17:10 and it took me a long time to realize they give you the food for taming all the pets (fortune cookies for dogs/cats, apples oranges for horses etc. 17:13 you can kick ass with a couple warhorses and a magic whistle... 17:22 sorry i got called away, have not wizmoded anything 17:27 somehow it doesn't seem to work in wizmode? 17:31 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 17:34 -!- telegarn has joined #evilhack 17:47 c - a clear potion (for sale, 178 zorkmids) 17:47 wtf?! :b 17:50 ah base price 100 for non-cursed, wow 17:50 I mean non-uncursed 17:53 lul 18:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:821 18:01 the stolen potion was blessed, the lamp was magic :-) 18:01 nice point for bedtime 18:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a steel scimitar entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:17395 18:08 a scimitar? wtf tyr 18:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 497 points, T:2883, killed by an invisible dwarf lady 18:17 scimityr 18:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 1704 points, T:2720, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 18:41 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:42 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 18:54 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:02 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 19:03 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:13 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided disenchanters, on T:76837 19:15 if someone zaps a wand at me and I "feel momentarily different" did I resist a polymorph attempt? 19:17 yup 19:22 ^ 19:27 I'm stuck in lava :( 19:27 cursed tele scroll or ring of levetation get me out? 19:29 Second 19:29 * Umbire checks 19:29 regular teleporting works 19:29 assuming level tele does too 19:30 castle level so regular won't work 19:37 thanks, Umbire. 19:39 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:39 It worked? o: 19:40 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 19:40 i'm a little confused about fire resistance 19:41 er, intrinsic fire resistance 19:41 when I eat food like tin of fire giant, I get no message about "more chill" or whatever 19:42 but if I attack fire E in melee, I get "very hot" fire damage message 19:42 these two things, taken together, surprise me 19:43 If if matters, I am polymorphed into V queen (but I would not have expected this to matter) 19:48 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:48 I feel like being undead might matter here but don't quote me on that at all 19:48 only like 50% sure 19:48 yeah, that's as good a guess as any I can think of 19:50 it does make things interesting, whatever the reason 20:04 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:06 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonbane", on T:77617 20:07 wha... I thought first artiwish was guaranteed? 20:08 For a moment, you feel something in your hands, but it disappears! 20:12 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:12 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:13 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:20 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:21 Implication being that it's spawned somewhere already, perhaps? 20:22 or so I'm guessing anyway 20:47 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 20:56 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:57 -!- stenno1 has joined #evilhack 21:00 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 21:02 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:12 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 572 points, T:1240, killed by a rabid rat 21:24 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:49549 21:26 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:49584 21:27 could use a definitive answer to my dragonbane question... should I bother trying to wish for it again or is it likely spawned in-game somewhere already? 21:30 Leaning towards the latter 21:30 I can't give that definitive answer though 21:30 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:31 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 21:35 bouquet: I don't do much wishing. but no your first artiwish is not guaranteed. 21:35 was that your question? 21:36 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:36 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Wishing_for_artifacts 21:41 you're right... I was thinking of xnh I guess. 21:41 c'est la vie 21:42 la vie => a evil 21:43 ... => alive 21:44 * tinklebear should stop staying up past bedtime 21:51 Evilhack death wands can be charged manny times, still, right? 21:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:3587 21:55 No 21:55 It's only once iirc 21:56 Good to know. Just found a random deathwand in soko. 21:56 *sigh*, another ghost. I badly need to bless my gloves. 21:57 This one is Shadowhawk, in soko, so not bones, this one, at least. 21:57 But might end up trapping me in soko. 21:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a soldier ant corpse, on T:4351 21:59 > Your attack passes harmlessly through the invisible giant spider. 21:59 *sigh*. 22:00 wut 22:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4541 22:01 Umbire: Yep, hallu. 22:01 oh 22:03 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 22:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:4848 22:05 That was an interesting double-bones. 22:08 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 479 points, T:1541, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 22:46 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 22:46 Woah. And an Arahael bones... 22:46 No wonder this was difficult! :D 22:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:6440 22:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:6456 22:51 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:52 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 22:57 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:02 so the fire resistance thing that was puzzling me works like so: 23:03 vampires (like most undead) are vulnerable to fire. 23:03 when polymorphed into vulnerable-to-ELEMENT form, your resistance to ELEMENT is reduced by 50% 23:09 (Additively, not multiplicatively. So 50% is subtracted from whatever partial resistance you normally have.) 23:10 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "good night"] 23:19 > The hill orc throws an elven dagger! 23:19 Is... that right? 23:32 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7539 23:32 do gnomes have any weaknesses or are the the best? 23:33 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 23:41 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:41 Now a triple-bones, hopefully. Made a mistake, got too close to a leocrotta, and couldn't get away quickly enough. 23:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 25529 points, T:8041, killed by a leocrotta, while praying