00:28 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 00:32 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:20 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 02:25 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Ran Cen Mal Neu), 52 points, T:97, killed by a bolt of lightning 02:38 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 79 points, T:165, killed by a water moccasin 02:41 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 240 points, T:318, killed by a coyote 02:44 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 205 points, T:386, dissolved in molten lava 02:49 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 03:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 158 points, T:339, killed by a bolt of lightning 03:57 Short game. 03:59 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 04:02 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:06 nothing you can do against a wand of lighting 04:07 just outrun it 04:07 https://i.imgflip.com/3l9wfq.jpg 04:07 heh 04:09 mobileuser: It was a surprise wand. 04:09 your punishment for trying to speedrun ;-) twice down the stairs in no time at all! 04:10 It was only dlvl3 wasn't it? 04:11 As a monk, that's taking it slow! 04:12 lol 04:18 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:18 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 05:02 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:1190 05:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:27238 05:07 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 869 points, T:1656, killed by a gnome lord 05:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 94 points, T:294, killed by a goblin, while sleeping 05:09 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2320 points, T:3040, killed by a dwarf king 05:09 Bit off more than I could chew, there. 05:10 Had some sort of huge mace. 05:10 20+ HP a hit. 05:10 And I only had 32. 05:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:22 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 603 points, T:1012, killed by a steel dagger 05:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 05:31 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 282 points, T:869, killed by a black pudding 05:36 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 166 points, T:126, killed by trying to drink molten lava 06:17 -!- amateurhour has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 06:35 -!- amateurhour has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38 -!- amateurhour has joined #evilhack 06:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:43 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 06:44 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:27473 07:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:27541 07:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:15655 08:03 damn gelatinuous cubes on every goddamn level 08:05 major nuisance 08:06 more so if you lack a good ranged option (my pet peeve with non-giant monks) 08:08 well eventually i'll know magic missile which is the best ranged option in the game imo 08:08 but yeah they suck 08:08 yeah, I should have said "starting monk" 08:08 why was crossbow skill removed :-( 08:08 i have no good range attack 08:09 shurikens are awesome as monk, but they're not exactly lying on the ground everywhere especially early 08:10 i'm so used to playing giant lol. I keep wanting to pick up boulders 08:10 looking forward to wearing dragonhide shirt/cloak etc. though ! 08:13 my AC was way too low in that last ascension. I don't ever want to do that again lol 08:14 heh 08:15 yeah, AC shouldn't be a problem 08:16 maybe I'll try centaur monk next time and train spear. at least centaurs have great carrying capacity. 08:18 well tbh i think having a role with an ac challenge isn't such a bad thing 08:19 bigger problem is the trinsics 08:32 oh for sure 08:32 and there are ways of getting ac 08:33 my first evil ascension was neutral giant monk and I had +20 divine protection 08:33 (just takes time) 08:43 today is 'lets make elves a bit more interesting' day 08:43 \o/ 08:45 you see the commits made over the last day and a half? 08:45 yeah 08:45 there's all for 0.7.0 but still :P 08:45 they're 08:45 ^ fuuuk 08:46 ? 08:46 oh :-) 08:46 i cant grammar 08:46 also, doing the work on racial player monsters fixed the feedback you were seeing when reviving a player monster corpse 08:47 yeah, I do that every day :b 08:47 cool 08:48 I think I have only seen that once when a monster zapped turn undead 08:49 was weird 08:54 maybe starting elves get an item of excellence? 08:54 hmm no, no player will ever start with anything with an obj property attached 08:55 so lets look at the positives and negatives associated with being an elf 08:55 cons - aversion to iron, max str 18 08:55 max con 16 i think? 08:56 yes 08:58 pros - max int/wis 20, start with racial gear which can be enchanted to +7, get a racial bonus wearing elven armor 08:58 casters start with a musical instrument 08:58 get sleep res at exp lvl 4 08:58 ^ huge 08:58 infravision 08:58 ah yeah 08:58 all the same as vanilla 08:58 yup 08:59 i like your idea about black unicorns 08:59 orcs gets wargs, elves get 08:59 or aligned... 08:59 I think neutral elves are possible 09:00 right because elves can be neutral now with certain roles 09:01 elves arent technically fey creatures but they're more closely related than other roles 09:01 err races 09:02 perhaps reduced hunger spellcasting at one tier below equivalent wizard one 09:02 the con 16 cap is by far the worst thing about elves imo 09:03 makes sense though. they arent beefcakes like humans or dwarves 09:03 which has what to do with hp gain exactly? 09:05 they arent as physically stout 09:06 i'm not keen on changing their stats, that's not on the table 09:06 no because they're fit! i work hard as an elf to be in good condition you know 09:06 just make elves start with a +5 ring of gain constitution tiftfy 09:07 if you want to do elves a favour eliminate iron rings 09:08 intrinsic stealth at exp lvl (?) 09:10 i bump in max dex makes sense too 09:10 stealth is not extremely useful in evilhack 09:10 a 09:11 that would be big 09:14 in ad&d, certain editions, elves had automatic searching once they reached a certain exp level 09:15 from the nethack guidebook/wiki - 'Elves are agile, quick, and perceptive; very little of what goes on will escape an Elf. The quality of Elven craftsmanship often gives them an advantage in arms and armor.' 09:15 auto searching would be better than auto stealth 09:19 agreed 09:20 elven cloak or boots give stealth anyway 09:21 tru 09:26 did you add two weapon combat to Ranger? 09:26 in dnh elves also have the same downsides, though they have two buffs: they have 'low-light vision' (triple light radius), and can use Elbereth 09:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:27105 09:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27107 09:27 mobileuser yes i did 09:27 drow is like a crappier badness and sadness elf, that noone enjoys 09:27 drow would be hard to pull off 09:27 K2 I'll add that to the wiki 09:27 thanks 09:27 yeah i think i know what i'm gonna do with elf 09:27 thanks for feedback all 09:28 ok this is weird... i killed Kaen and only the Bell was in the spot where he died 09:28 no corpse. no robe. no eyes 09:28 oh it's aleady under "Twoweaponing"... 09:28 drow would be kinda cool... i think dnh went whole hog and tried to incorporate a lot of its history, items and objects, etc 09:29 rebatela eh? 09:30 i dunno 09:30 I want my eyes 09:30 killed him with magic missile and only the bell was there 09:30 i don't have object detection but the corpse should have been there and robe and eyes 09:31 did he teleport over to you? 09:32 i dont show you as playing rebatela 09:32 was this last night? 09:32 europe server 09:32 right now 09:32 this is messed up 09:32 hold on 09:33 i made a copy of your last save which just about 30 min ago 09:33 lemme see what happens when i play your game in wizmode 09:34 ok thanks man 09:34 in the meantime, search 09:34 i mean, maybe i zapped teleport at the spot but i don't think so 09:35 hmm 09:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:27803 09:36 not on the level 09:36 so weird 09:37 corpse, robe, eyes should have all been on same spot with the bell where i killed him 09:38 i killed him in your saved game 09:38 he had everything 09:38 they are somewhere 09:39 perhaps you could wizmode search for them in a more current save? 09:39 rebatela save your game right now please 09:39 might want to keep that backup save handy in case a revert to 30 mins ago would be needed 09:41 i have it 09:42 ok they are on the level 09:43 no bug, just an unusual set of cirmcumstances 09:43 sounds interesting 09:43 looks like you killed kaen whilst he was in a pit 09:44 WHILST 09:44 and said pit had something pushed into it 09:44 that's all i'm gonna say 09:44 that's kind of funny, is there special handling of invocation artifacts? 09:44 wouldnt doubt it 09:45 ah ok 09:45 thanks man. i'll figure it out 09:45 yeah i dont want to just give you the answer, as this isnt a bug. i've said too much already :) 09:45 i see what happened 09:47 used a boulder fort by any chance? 09:47 yeah 09:47 heh 09:47 i'm gonna have to take care of that surrounding lava before i dig 09:47 the thing that worries me though is that you can't dig on this bottom level 09:47 i've tried to dig stuff out before and it says floor is too hard 09:47 you can 09:48 k 09:48 i had a salamnder die with a death wand in lava on this level once and i couldn't get it 09:50 got the eyes ;) 09:50 \o/ 09:50 thanks k2 09:51 yay 09:57 was worth checking for sure 10:00 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 10:00 there is special handling for invocation artifacts btw yeah 10:01 see the comment around dig.c:1867 10:01 that's why i was confused because the bell wasnt buried 10:02 neat, learned something new 10:05 can't bury the bell 10:08 the evil goderators won't let us roleplay as 10:08 * amateurhour looks up animal that hoards things underground 10:08 moles 10:08 carl! 10:08 CARL! 10:08 you could poly into a honey badger 10:08 or a woodchuck 10:08 :P 10:09 slow this morning k2 10:09 working 10:10 fugger is now a salamander and i am impressed how good that is 10:10 i need to find him a trident 10:11 ol' fugger doing well for themself 10:12 cool! gave him an amulet of reflection 10:12 right now he's wielding an elven bow 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 688 points, T:2647, killed by a water moccasin 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:695 10:24 odd first wish for someone without a wand of wishing 10:31 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to 0.6.0 [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JtX8r 10:31 [EvilHack] k21971 be7d815 - Revert "Fix: adjust ACCESSIBLE to accept shallow water and sewage tiles." 10:31 ^ dont worry about that, wasnt live on servers 10:32 oh no what was the bug 10:33 I guess I can look at the master branch and find out 10:33 qt: the rivers generated in the gnomish mines, there's a couple minetown levels where that could happen, the game would freeze on those levels trying to make the river 10:33 no crash, just an infinite loop 10:33 fix is on master branch for 0.7.0 10:33 but that fix breaks saves 10:34 interesting... 10:34 I wonder why it would only happen for Minetown and not other places rivers can generate 10:35 rivers currently only generate in the gnomish mines 10:35 said rivers will randomly create shallow water or sewage 10:35 something about making those terrain types ACCESSIBLE the game doesnt like 10:36 hard to troubleshoot since there werent any crashes to get a backtrace from 10:36 i ran the game in gdb to get an idea but i couldnt exactly grok the why 10:36 glad you caught it 10:36 yeah, and before any of that went live 10:36 if you're getting an infinite loop you can break and check the stack trace 10:37 figured a few of those out in dnh that way 10:37 amateurhour i did, there were a couple spots in sp_lev.c 10:37 could get an infinite loop in vlad's tower if you went in at xlvl 1 10:37 but honestly i didnt fully understand the why bit 10:38 at least it didn't blow the stack and segfault 10:39 kinda wish it had, can work with that :) 10:40 yeah if you like seeing a backtrace thousands long lol 10:41 heh 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu), 548 points, T:2034, killed by a wererat 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 166 points, T:421, killed by a wooden crossbow bolt 11:07 oooh K2 I think I might understand the minetown river thing 11:07 yeah? 11:08 minetown is marked as requiring no spots to be inaccessible, so there's a function that tries to prevent any "islands" of accessible spots that are surrounded by inaccessible spots, by placing secret doors or putting escape items there 11:08 who puts a river into minetown? 11:08 I bet it's getting hung up on shallow water surrounded by deep water? 11:08 hmm 11:08 it never happens on the regular mines levels though 11:08 oh minetown 11:08 right 11:09 hah i bet thats it 11:09 because those aren't marked as requiring accessibility everywhere I think 11:09 I think the loop that doesn't break is the do/while in ensure_way_out 11:09 slex can randomly have rivers in minetown 11:09 the most annoying minetown I saw had a river of lava and another river of water 11:09 i think i'll leave my 'fix' as is, because it also prevent srivers from forming in minetown altogether, therefore no more seeing fish on dry land 11:10 plus i was kinda surprised that wasnt already a 'Is_minetn' define 11:10 there is one for mineend 11:12 i completely forgot about maps being flagged assessible 11:12 blah 11:12 accessible 11:22 mobileuser - players can tame unicorns already. you knew this right? 11:23 its just a bit difficult because they have 70 MR 11:50 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/JtXE2 11:50 [EvilHack] k21971 62ce3d9 - Small adjustment to elves and orcs starting stats, searching for elves. 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1726 points, T:1871, killed by a crossbow bolt 12:01 bhaak: jonadab does 12:04 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 319 points, T:680, killed by a brown mold 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:54529 12:24 hmm how did I see this lava https://0x0.st/-XWk.png 12:25 hah 12:25 my kneejerk response is 'because god loves the infantry' 12:26 cant use that in this case however :) 12:27 the weird thing is that it just showed up on the turn in the screenshot 12:27 you can see in the ttyrec https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/evilhack/ttyrec/2021-02-15.17:21:06.ttyrec.gz 12:28 lava is lit... 12:28 i wonder why the game thinks you can see that tile 12:28 we've seen some other weird bits in the dungeon before, all of the sudden a corner of a room will show visible 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1031 points, T:1504, zombified by an orc zombie 12:55 Hi K2 12:56 The idea would be that an elf could just throw a carrot or something 13:00 throw a carrot... at a unicorn... 13:00 :P 13:00 'hello majestic and powerful being, will you be my friend if i give you this carrot?' 13:01 HELL YEAH I WILL LETS GO 13:01 24 carat carrot! 13:01 how bout this 13:01 unicorns need to eat too... 13:01 if an elf tosses a high value gem at a co-aligned unicorn 13:02 ^ bad idea 13:02 how bout tossing a dwarf at it 13:02 lol 13:02 heh :P 13:02 you'll take extra damage from most of the weapons in the game and have really low hp 13:02 so how do orcs tame wargs? 13:02 but at least you can tame these really rare monsters 13:02 :) 13:03 rare? they constantly try to kill me ;-) 13:03 did they have iron weakness in ad&d? how did most DMs balance it? 13:03 mobileuser - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/65e9ecf3c647a98b7c62b161de116bada3eb1cb0 13:04 yeah just toss food 13:04 right, but also, ONLY orcs can tame wargs 13:04 not good enough for noble unicorns ;-) 13:05 so only elves would be able to do that with unicorns 13:05 YASI: gold carrots from minecraft, super satiating and u love them 13:05 from ancient lore, only a beautiful virgin maiden could tame a unicorn 13:05 create one by combining a carrot and 8 zorkmids 13:05 dip a carrot in a gold potion 13:06 mobileuser - why is tossing gems at a unicorn as a means to tame them a bad idea 13:06 yanis page yani, timestamp you managed to get up to when updating the site 13:06 that makes a fake golden carrot. you might trick a horse with that but a unicorn will know better 13:06 because you intend to increase luck K2 13:06 amateurhour: why? 13:06 why cant that also happen 13:06 so I can tell how long it's been since I whinged for an update 13:06 there's already a 'last batch' page 13:06 everything's in git. you can just go look at the history 13:06 oh is it? 13:07 it's a github pages site 13:07 sweet 13:07 how did you think those were powered 13:07 throwing gems at a tame unicorn does not increase luck 13:07 didn't ask and you didn't tell so how would I know :P 13:07 so you lose that option 13:07 it's literally .github.io 13:07 who looks at their bookmarked urls 13:08 oh it's been several months I can start the complain train 13:08 toot toot 13:08 you see what I mean K2? 13:08 yup thats fine 13:08 the act of taming it will still increase the luck 13:09 not just afterwards 13:09 lol every 'buff' is a nerf 13:09 having a tame pet that increase your luck whenever you wanted is too OP 13:09 yeah 13:09 hence why its already like that 13:09 that's why mobileuser is saying throwing gems to tame as elf would be bad K2 13:10 if we stay true to lore, the elf in question would need to be female 13:11 lore only says "virgin" 13:12 no more taming after a foocubus encounter 13:12 maiden virgin 13:12 and all elves are beautiful of course 13:12 yes 13:12 hawt 13:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:13 i think taming a unicorn via gem tossing and getting just the one time luck boost outweights the con of not being able to keep throwing gems at it for more luck 13:14 having a unicorn pet, that's fairly powerful stuff 13:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:14 doh mobileuser you missed what i just said 13:14 [13:13] <@K2> i think taming a unicorn via gem tossing and getting just the one time luck boost outweights the con of not being able to keep throwing gems at it for more luck 13:14 [13:14] <@K2> having a unicorn pet, that's fairly powerful stuff 13:15 ok, fair point 13:15 lemme whip something up and wiztest it 13:16 altar saccing is far more common to increase luck anyway 13:16 curious, how many of you play test the changes to master branch? 13:16 or do you just wait until public release? 13:17 yeah 13:27 i'll work on that today 13:27 the unicorn thing 13:27 elfs 13:28 ^ did that on purpose 13:28 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1382 points, T:2726, killed by a dwarf 13:30 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:34 ackshully the plural is elfopodes 13:38 heh 13:49 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Ran Cen Mal Neu), 581 points, T:723, killed by a giant leech 13:49 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:53 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±6] https://git.io/JtXwT 13:53 [EvilHack] k21971 1f223bc - Reintroduce nymph shopkeepers. 13:54 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:54 can't be geno'd :( 13:55 as god intended 13:55 do they charge you more if you're male? 13:55 no 13:55 its based off of your charisma 13:59 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:59 what is mnum there? 14:00 the mnum of whichever type of nymph it is I guess? 14:00 so different nymphs charge different prices? 14:02 just for price difference 14:02 there used to be different nymph types 14:05 generic "nymph" 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una) murdered his faithful homunculus, on T:267 14:06 will you do the same for "generic giant" etc? 14:06 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JtXwS 14:06 [EvilHack] k21971 8687689 - Make sure illithids fall under telepathic(). 14:06 mobileuser that's already done 14:06 when you become a shopkeeper you become immune to genocide :^) 14:07 search monst.c for /* placeholder */ 14:07 how did you do that for mind flayer shopkeepers? 14:07 they arent flayers anymore. they are illithids 14:07 ah, makes sense 14:08 wait til you see racial player monsters in action 14:08 no more standard jokes about the scroll of geno in the mind flayer bookshop ;( 14:09 player monsters are still all yellow @ 14:09 mobileuser heh 14:09 shopkeepers are supposed to be off limits to genocide anyways 14:09 that's a good way to do it 14:10 same for priests, player monsters 14:10 yeah, i'm actually a bit excited about it 14:10 finally figured out how to pull it off 14:10 racial player monsters still need some work 14:11 yellow H, yellow h etc? 14:11 no just yellow @ 14:11 and there's a good reason for it 14:11 just like soldiers 14:11 yeah 14:16 food time 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1069 points, T:1594, killed by withering away 14:28 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:86433 14:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:30 huh... I tamed a shapechanger of some sort by throwing it food when it turned into a pseudodragon, and now it is a black dragon and doesn't say "shapechanger" when I use a stethoscope 14:31 I wore a ring vs shape changers to see what it would turn into, but it didn't seem to change form when I put it on -- and now it says it's not a shapechanger at all 14:36 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/88a376bdd424362e4765d02d686d9da8d36e512c 14:37 oh I see, any idea why the black dragon form would "stick" and it would stop being a shapechanger? 14:37 no 14:37 well no to the latter part 14:37 that commit i did could prob be improved upon 14:41