00:00 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1755 00:07 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 00:08 Beholder: messages? 00:26 -!- tungtn_ is now known as tungtn 00:51 [04hdf-us] [07nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8049 points, T:4421, killed by an Uruk-hai 00:53 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 14395 points, T:11902, killed by an ettin mummy 00:58 [04hdf-us] [07nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 98 points, T:504, killed by a small mimic 01:27 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:51 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Camaxtli, on T:7263 01:54 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 02:17 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 02:33 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 03:43 [04hdf-us] [07nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2034 points, T:5550, killed by a giant beetle 03:45 !tell NCommander nice post! 03:45 Will do, FIQ! 03:46 thanks 03:46 NCommander: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-21 06:45 EST: nice post! 03:46 * NCommander didn't sleep well at all 03:46 that sucks 04:00 -!- zxkuqyb has joined #hardfought 04:06 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:26 -!- Haudegen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 04:36 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] deki (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3632 04:38 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:45 !who 04:45 FIQ: [04hdf-us] Grasshopper [07nd] 04:45 FIQ: [12hdf-eu] deki [07nd] Raisse [07nd] 04:45 ah 04:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:49 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:03 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] deki (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 6270 points, T:6403, killed by an ettin mummy 05:22 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] deki (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2348 points, T:2299, killed by a kobold, while taking off clothes 05:23 <[Demo]1> should have stayed in school 05:34 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:41 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] deki (Bar Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4183 05:42 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] deki (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 3019 points, T:4214, killed by a leocrotta 05:59 [12hdf-eu] [10fh] Mushanokouji Narinaka (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 37273 points, T:2733, killed by a gray unicorn 06:05 <[Demo]1> i assume fh has a pet weight carrying limit? 06:05 <[Demo]1> cant have ur dog steal cpm? 06:10 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:35 [04hdf-us] [07nd] Grasshopper (Bar Hum Mal Neu) genocided class V, on T:63738 06:42 [12hdf-eu] [10fh] Mushanokouji Narinaka (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 43938 points, T:5023, killed by a gray unicorn 06:43 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] firemonkey (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:21543 06:46 [Demo]1: yes, same as vanilla 06:50 <[Demo]1> fiqhack is dumbhack 06:50 <[Demo]1> there a mmf blocking my way out of the mines on the last lvl before i get back to the dungeon 06:50 <[Demo]1> and this is my first time down 06:52 <[Demo]1> no luck with wand of sleep 06:55 <[Demo]1> gnomish wizards broken 06:56 <[Demo]1> i think its just spamming some spell and then when it gets to me it has no pw 06:56 <[Demo]1> so it just sits there and gets hit 06:57 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 07:04 <[Demo]1> yey stability! https://i.imgur.com/UEOd839.png 07:04 <[Demo]1> the priest walked under me 07:05 <[Demo]1> in dnh its ok if monsters walk under u, game doesnt even bitch 07:17 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 07:23 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] firemonkey (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:22419 07:30 that's a nh4 bug 07:33 FIQ, does FIQHack offer the 36 "blind from birth" zen conduct or am I limited to start scumming if I want to try it 07:33 startscum is needed 07:34 :( 07:34 [Demo]1, it's likely a chamenon or doppleganger. While it's RARELY possible for team evil h to show up in the mines, its' very unlikely. And it can happen in vanilla 07:34 * NCommander had it happen recently in NH360 07:35 <[Demo]1> too low for cham to spawn 07:36 <[Demo]1> someone found a poly potion or wand on the ground 07:41 no 07:41 NCommander is referring to minesflayers 07:41 which is indeed a vanilla thing 07:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:42 I've seen cham/dopples in the mines if youre XP-8-9. Rare though. Team h can spawn fairly high, I genocided them on my ascension when I ran into the first one at Dl:13 07:43 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:45 <[Demo]1> was like xp 7 and it was the first mines level, like lvl 4 07:45 <[Demo]1> the number of turns i spent there it would have changed from anyway 07:45 <[Demo]1> someone got a poly potion or something 07:49 as said 07:49 minesflayer 07:49 nothing specific to fiqhack 07:49 it's everywhere 07:49 including dnethack 07:50 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:51 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:54 <[Demo]1> i dont know if monsters drink potions of polymorph or self zap with poly in other variants as much 07:56 fiqhack monsters use poly more yes 07:58 <[Demo]1> and i think the method by which this mmf came to be is the result of a fh change 07:58 <[Demo]1> but i got orc mines end 07:58 <[Demo]1> so i cant complain i guess 07:58 <[Demo]1> wish i could play movement based 08:00 play movement-based? 08:01 <[Demo]1> yeah ok so its a weird thought 08:01 <[Demo]1> i wanna have some sort of fighting style where i get movement points back for hitting things but only if i actually move that turn 08:02 <[Demo]1> so that you kind of dash around and hit stuff 08:02 dnethack has some artifacts similar to what you are asing for 08:02 FIQ: did fh remove the check that prevents monsters self-using poly from turning into out-of-difficulty stuff? 08:02 *asking 08:02 aosdict: yes, it made no sense 08:03 <[Demo]1> i dont think it does 08:08 FIQ: does this apply to muse_poly_trap as well? 08:13 yes 08:16 YANI: Hallucination should prevent medusa's gaze from turning you to stone. 08:16 <[Demo]1> should block most gazes 08:16 <[Demo]1> like cthulhu's 08:16 <[Demo]1> groovy geometries 08:16 Should probably block cthulhu's as well, yeah. 08:17 And Umber Hulk gazes. Probably not Archon radiance. 08:17 "you feel, like, totally stoned" 08:17 <[Demo]1> yeah 08:17 Heh. 08:17 Chris_ANG: even if it weren't going to block all gazes, there's the "you are already stoned" argument... 08:17 Yup 08:17 <[Demo]1> should increase timer 08:18 Does d have "You are already stoned"? 08:18 raisse has been advocating for that for years. 08:18 I did implement it in Fourk, but I might have forgotten the Medusa gaze. 08:19 Chris_ANG: YANI: the hallucinatory Archon radiance message is "The power of the aurora overwhelms you!" 08:19 if the logic for preventing stoning while hallucinating being that you are already stoned would that mean you also get cockatrice immunity? 08:19 Nope, it just occurred to me that hallucinating should logically block the bad effects of looking at Medusa; and testing revealed that it does not. 08:20 Er jonadab^ 08:20 Ah. 08:21 deadnoob: Yes, raisse's suggestion pertained mainly to cockatrices. 08:21 <[Demo]1> does fh cleaver hit peaceful monsters? 08:21 So in Fourk, petrification pertoects you from them and their corpses. 08:21 [Demo]1: I think not. I think that's a 3.6 innovation. 08:21 petrification protects you... because you are already stone? 08:21 I guess it also works as a reply to deadnoob, though. I'm not sure about "you are already stoned" as the logic for Medusa not working. 08:21 forever 08:22 it's a pun based mechanic 08:22 I was thinking more along the lines of Medusa's curse not working because you didn't technically see her face. 08:22 Chris_ANG: Ah, that does also make sense. 08:23 But if you are against pun-based mechanics, NetHack is the wrong game for you. 08:23 I mean, hello, loadstone. 08:23 someone (me) should make a list of all vanilla's pun-based mechanics 08:23 not now though 08:24 But yes, hallucination blocking or mitigating gaze attacks has been suggested before 08:25 Evil Patch Idea: if you're hallucinating and see a monster and the game randomly chooses to describe that monster as "Medusa", you get petrified. 08:26 lol 08:26 is that a feature in slex 08:26 deadnoob: It probably will be. 08:27 it will likely just disable input "Your keyboard is slowing down" 08:27 "Died of a bad trip" 08:29 <[Demo]1> slex should remove instakill and just give fates worse than death 08:29 <[Demo]1> like each turn only one key working or whatever those fun slex features are 08:30 hmm, in nethack you can ingest as many hallucinogens as you want and never poison yourself to death... 08:34 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] firemonkey (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:23295 08:35 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:35 <[Demo]1> why is this balrog so bad at following me? 08:35 got +0 08:36 the nethack hallucinogen is probably pure LSD 08:39 <[Demo]1> god damn 08:39 <[Demo]1> fiq i thought you removed the tedious shit from the game 😛 08:41 <[Demo]1> finally got balrog from top of the mines to the bottom 08:41 <[Demo]1> and he took out mmf 08:41 <[Demo]1> yey 08:41 <[Demo]1> mmf was a gnome of a sort b4 it polyd 08:45 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:45 -!- callforjudgement has joined #hardfought 08:48 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais253 08:48 -!- ais253 is now known as ais523 08:48 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 08:54 [Demo]1: what tedious things? 08:54 -!- K2-work has joined #hardfought 08:54 removing tedium is part of fiqhack's goal yet 08:54 it doesn't mean I have removed all of it 08:54 *yes 08:55 :P 08:55 [Demo]1: and no, cleaver will not hit peacefuls unless your "main" hit was against one 08:55 Chris_ANG │ YANI: Hallucination should prevent medusa's gaze from turning you to stone. 08:55 FIQHack does this I think 08:56 at least I intended to 08:57 <[Demo]1> well i was kind of dumb 08:57 <[Demo]1> and activated my blessed balrog figurine at the bottom of the mines 08:57 <[Demo]1> cause somehow i thought hed be willing to actually follow me 08:58 How fast/slow are balrogs? 08:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:59 <[Demo]1> too slow 08:59 ok, now it does 08:59 <[Demo]1> they also dont like to follow 08:59 <[Demo]1> they kinda like to wander around and do their own thing 08:59 @ hallucination preventing medusa death 09:06 -!- K2-work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 09:24 [12hdf-eu] [10fh] Mushanokouji Narinaka (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 32960 points, T:1991, killed by a pony 09:31 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:40 -!- rikersan_ has joined #hardfought 09:42 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:49 -!- rikersan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:58 https://i.imgur.com/dBEL4ru.png please explain what the dang 09:59 <[Demo]1> he wants to know what he has 10:00 I mean is this some kind of named unique dude? 10:01 <[Demo]1> bones probably 10:01 I've never met Japanese people in gnome mines before 10:01 of 10:01 hm 10:01 <[Demo]1> oh its the dude who just died 10:01 <[Demo]1> fresh bones 10:02 well, I don't like him, he's killing me 10:02 <[Demo]1> and i dont like whoever formatted my dvd-r s 10:05 Bones player monsters in FIQHack can be tough nuts to crack, yes. 10:06 Given the name of that one, you should probably assume he's going to whack you over the head with at least a katana, if not Excalibur. 10:06 <[Demo]1> Mushanokouji Narinaka (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 32960 points, T:1991, killed by a pony 10:06 he has katana and yumi :/ 10:07 well, judging by the turn count he can't be very tough 10:07 it would be kind of silly if the AI controlling puck's character did a better job than puck himself 10:07 although he throws paralyze and sleep 10:08 that's why he was identifying, maybe 10:08 <[Demo]1> wonder if theres a way to force my death to leave a player character 10:08 <[Demo]1> and get all strong and leave an op one low down in the dungeon 10:08 <[Demo]1> and win by killing a bunch of players 10:10 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] deki (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 634 points, T:1513, killed by a gnome, while unconscious from rotten food 10:10 https://i.imgur.com/nVmuFKI.png the bastard is smart enough to use a teletrap that I "prepared" for an emergency escape 10:12 <[Demo]1> welcome to fiqhack, where the ai is better at the game than you 😛 10:12 wow he's fast.. 10:12 aren't Samurai fast? 10:12 gotta wait until lvl 7 10:13 at least if he's XL7+ 10:13 or something 10:13 I forgot when samurai got speed, or if they had it from the getgo 10:14 [04hdf-us] [10fh] Zxkuqyb (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the samurai of Mushanokouji Narinaka, the former Ronin, on T:4855 10:14 <[Demo]1> would be neat if player monsters got the intrinsics of their race/role when leveling up 10:14 got him 10:14 zxkuqyb: there is an upside 10:14 if he becomes a player monster 10:14 his stuff isn't cursed 10:15 well, not more than normally that is 10:15 cool 10:15 no 80% autocurse 10:15 <[Demo]1> any way to force leaving a player monster? 10:15 <[Demo]1> or at least up the odds? 10:15 [Demo]1: nope 10:15 <[Demo]1> thats probably good 10:15 but you could let yourself die to a vampire I suppose 10:15 <[Demo]1> oh 10:15 IIRC they have a weapon attack 10:15 <[Demo]1> and they get to cast? 10:15 it isn't a player monster 10:16 but they retain a lot of the benefits 10:16 <[Demo]1> hm 10:16 like that yeah 10:16 <[Demo]1> pvp fiqhack 10:16 and being intelligent 10:16 so able to use items 10:16 bags 10:16 etc 10:16 trinsics 10:16 [Demo]1: NCommander met his former character in bones in his ascension earlier 10:17 a Valkyrie with a cloak of displacement 10:17 that must have been fun 10:17 lol 10:17 <[Demo]1> oh not the one he genocided 10:17 genocide never leaves bones 10:17 Probably a good thing 10:17 he had the bag, yay 10:17 That would have been a cruel minetown bones. 10:17 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] firemonkey (Sam Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:23418 10:19 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] firemonkey (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "a blessed magic marker", on T:23422 10:19 maybe I should make player monster bones more common :P 10:19 it's 33% atm 10:20 could up it to 50% 10:20 those player monsters are way more interesting to find than regular ghosts 10:30 -!- Jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:32 -!- Jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 10:39 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] deki (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1658 points, T:3802, killed by a killer bee 10:43 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:49 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 10:50 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 10:50 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] deki (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1517 points, T:1869, killed by a rope golem 11:01 -!- Haudegen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 11:30 [04hdf-us] [07nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1732 points, T:5101, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:31 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 11:39 !tell K2 sorry, but askin again -- need puck1's EU save because it errored during death 11:39 Will do, FIQ! 11:42 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:45 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48 <[Demo]1> i blew up all my armour on a poly trap 😦 11:52 <[Demo]1> why are balrogs purle? 11:54 because they are one of the strongest demon types 11:55 <[Demo]1> demon lords/princes thoug 11:55 [04hdf-us] [10fh] Demo (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 64172 points, T:12005, killed by an ape, while frozen by a spellbook 11:55 <[Demo]1> "free" action 11:56 <[Demo]1> its stupid how few things free action applies to 11:57 <[Demo]1> but maybe the whole thing is supposed to be a joke 11:57 <[Demo]1> making fun of "free" things in real life 11:57 <[Demo]1> and how they arent really free 11:57 <[Demo]1> different kind of free but wordplay still works 11:58 [Demo]1, that was due to failed spellbook read. ALWAYS bless your spellbooks unless you are sure you can read safely 11:59 <[Demo]1> im a barbarian i was just reading it to get rid of it, was kinda bored with that guy anyway 11:59 <[Demo]1> thats still being frozen 11:59 <[Demo]1> which logically free action would prevent 12:01 <[Demo]1> wish tourists started with like vodka or something to mix with the healing potions 12:03 my barbarian over on alt.org successfully learned the drain life spell 12:03 and then proceeded to fail to read a level 1 spellbook 12:04 * aosdict thinks the proper solution to spellbook reading is to make paralysis a rather high-level failure effect, and make it easier to identify higher-level spellbooks 12:05 Has some current Fork brought the Hacker from NH:TNG back? 12:05 With the nice Jolt Cola and Typing-Gloves? 12:05 <[Demo]1> slex yeah i think 12:05 ktnx 12:05 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 12:09 ooh in a couple levels i might actually be able to cast drain life 12:09 if i take all my metal armor off 12:10 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 12:12 <[Demo]1> should cursed darts weld to my hands? 12:13 <[Demo]1> it seems when wielding darts that whatever determines i get the nonweap status is true 12:13 <[Demo]1> so should they really weld to my hand when cursed? 12:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:34 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:37 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:45 <[Demo]1> what the hell my dog has teleportitis 12:45 <[Demo]1> this is ridiculous 12:45 LOL 12:46 can it shoplift like that? 12:46 yes it can 12:47 <[Demo]1> this is a good change because it is funny 12:53 <[Demo]1> i like a flavorful pet 12:54 -!- oh6_ has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6_] by ChanServ 12:54 <[Demo]1> poor arnie has teleportitis 12:54 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55 <[Demo]1> and aggravate monster 12:56 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:57 who's arnie? 12:58 <[Demo]1> my poor crippled dog 12:58 <[Demo]1> oh cool fiqhack lichens have genders 13:01 what do you mean? 13:02 <[Demo]1> well ive got a stack of male lichen corpses and a stack of female lichen corpses 13:02 ah 13:02 it's possible that the game still assigns a gender 13:02 just that it's unused 13:02 which my thing picks up on 13:02 why is that DNH has all the interesting notifications like excalibur/minetown that other variants don't. 13:02 should probably be fixed 13:02 FIQ, would explain why I kept ending up with two seperate stacks of lizard corpses 13:03 do lichens have genders in real life? 13:03 it's NEUTER in nethack 13:03 -!- DrakeMarshall has joined #hardfought 13:03 lichens aren't technically a single organism 13:03 so either way, this is probably a fiqhack bug 13:04 Yo 13:04 Hi 13:04 Hello aosdict, Welcome to #hardfought 13:04 beholder triggers on Hi but not Yo >.> 13:05 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 13:05 So I was clearing the Binder quest, and at the neutral temple one of the minions cast earthquake, destroying the lawful altar before I could convert it 13:05 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:05 aosdict: does either half have a gender? 13:05 I rather hope that doesn't make the game unwinnable -_- 13:07 ais523: it's symbiosis between fungi and bacteria. the fungi can have genders but not all types of lichen and a lot of fungi are hermaphroditic anyway 13:07 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 13:07 Anyone here played binder on dnethack by any chance? 13:10 yes 13:10 DrakeMarshall: any particular questions? 13:11 I can likely answer most of them 13:11 well 13:11 this is an oddly specific question 13:11 that's fine 13:12 but if one of the aligned altars in the binder quest are destroyed, does that make it impossible to finish the quest? 13:12 yep 13:12 rip 13:12 it's a bug right now 13:12 did you have that happen? :/ 13:12 yup 13:12 I'll remind chris about that 13:12 DrakeMarshall: in fact, it's impossible to win the game now 13:12 you might as well #quit tbh 13:12 wait really? 13:12 yep 13:12 you can't get the silver key as a binder 13:12 well 13:12 right then 13:12 you get an alternate which doens't work 13:12 oh 13:12 (for the invocation) 13:13 so binders, that'spossible 13:13 I was really liking the binder role too :( 13:13 :/ 13:13 how did the altar get destroyed 13:13 what race? 13:13 StatueSurfer: earthquake most likely 13:13 the priests tend to cast it 13:13 <[Demo]1> ah 13:13 I've had that happen once 13:13 oh 13:13 This is actually the farthest I've gotten in a nethack game (I don't count my game as doppelganger monk in slash'em) 13:13 ah cool 13:13 Earthquake 13:13 Well 13:13 DrakeMarshall: try orc barb for a fun time 13:13 <[Demo]1> yeah next version itll still be winnable 13:13 I'll figure something out 13:13 orcs get increased stats, and barbs are overpowered 13:14 and yeah, barb can be fun heh 13:14 <[Demo]1> or wait no 13:14 :D 13:14 <[Demo]1> cause cant get broken bell 13:14 he can't finish the quest that's the problem [Demo]1 13:14 also, DrakeMarshall if you're wondeirng, no you can't phase to acererak's altar and sacfest there (unphaseable :() 13:14 ah 13:14 shame 13:15 <[Demo]1> uh 13:15 <[Demo]1> can u dantalion? 13:15 I was playing an automaton binder so with some work I could have even gotten phasing 13:15 <[Demo]1> you might be able to sequence break that 13:15 <[Demo]1> get something in there with a mind and dantalion in? 13:15 [Demo]1: no he doesn't spawn until you sac 13:15 oh, tha'ts possible 13:16 DrakeMarshall: worth a shot maybe if you aven't already quit 13:16 if that's possible that's another bug to fix >_> 13:16 <[Demo]1> wiz testing 13:16 I haven't already quit... What are you proposing exactly not sure I understand 13:16 Ohhhh you're saying use dantalion's ability 13:16 to teleport to a creature with a mind 13:17 ^ 13:17 Well I'm bound to tenebrous among other things, so I already know that two creatures with a mind are in there 13:17 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 13:17 DrakeMarshall: worth a shot then 13:17 Worth a shot heh 13:17 yeah 13:17 oh hm 13:17 thanks guys 13:17 you don't have telepathy 13:17 or nvm 13:17 he grants extrinsic ESP 13:17 (clcokworks and incs can find it hard to do that) 13:18 <[Demo]1> oh shit 13:18 <[Demo]1> it works 13:18 <[Demo]1> it works 😄 13:18 yeah clockwork is a very interesting race 13:18 <[Demo]1> ur good 13:18 Sweet 13:18 <[Demo]1> u can dantalion in 13:18 That's excellent 13:18 <[Demo]1> not sure if acerack will spawn though 13:18 automatons are basically impossible to feed except prayer, but their abilities are really fun imo 13:18 <[Demo]1> tame medusa 13:19 <[Demo]1> its insane 13:19 >_> 13:19 still haven't got an upgrade kit though and I've even polypiled tools :P 13:19 DrakeMarshall: there's a better way! 13:19 get a tame angel 13:19 and #chat whenever you run out of foo 13:19 food 13:19 it will wind for you, no charge 13:19 angels can do that? 13:19 huh 13:19 (or any humanoid actually) 13:19 ahhh 13:19 hm 13:19 (it's just that angels are generally a better options) 13:19 you can grab a tulani eladrin from teh tower of law 13:19 with oona 13:19 or wish a figurine of a surya deva 13:20 <[Demo]1> tulani eladrin are great 13:20 <[Demo]1> medusa is great 13:20 <[Demo]1> shell wind you too 13:20 <[Demo]1> and kill everything 13:20 lol 13:20 right now I spend most of the time on low clock speed and rely on eurynome's counterattacks a fair amount 13:20 <[Demo]1> oh shit 13:20 <[Demo]1> acerack works 13:20 <[Demo]1> with sequence break 13:20 <[Demo]1> ur good 13:20 LOL 13:21 lol then lets do this 13:21 <[Demo]1> anyway dude get a good strong pet that can wind you ( i reccomend medusa but oona or a tulip is good) and you can sequence break in 13:21 <[Demo]1> do that first 13:21 <[Demo]1> you got naberius bound? 13:21 my binder is hand-to-hand so I guess it's time to punch out acerack 13:21 <[Demo]1> literally silver tongue some shit 13:21 u got this 13:21 <[Demo]1> there is no reason for you to not be at max clockrate for any fight ever as a clockwork 😛 13:21 DrakeMarshall: aw yiss knockoff monk is amazing 13:21 it's great 13:21 premium heart is 10/10 13:22 esp because a hidden feature of eurynome is to get ya full BAB 13:22 which is +lvl to-hit (with unarmed only) 13:22 got it from the magic lamp in sunless sea :D 13:22 :D 13:22 DrakeMarshall: you on a server? 13:22 I'm gonna eat lunch but I'll spec you after if you are 13:22 I'm on the US server atm yeah 13:23 Gonna have to wait to free up a binder slot for dantalion 13:23 <[Demo]1> in the mean time get an intelligent pet for winding purposes 😛 13:23 Might branchport back to the mines 'cause I have all my seals set up there 13:24 Wait also one other question 13:24 I heard you can dual-wield barehanded 13:24 Is that true? 13:24 <[Demo]1> yeah 13:24 requesting a highlight for sleeping/paralyzed/weak monsters :v 13:24 yay 13:24 <[Demo]1> if you have the spear spirit 13:24 When I bend Miska this is gonna be OP 13:24 <[Demo]1> from oonas tower 13:25 <[Demo]1> lategame binder is strong, lategame clockwork is strong 13:25 !ping 13:25 rikersan: Pong! 13:26 Yeah early game was pretty hard for this one but it's starting to pay off 13:29 Once I can find a throne, anyways, lol 13:29 <[Demo]1> neutral quest has a ton 13:30 https://i.imgur.com/mbaWBWy.png that was a bad polytrap... 13:30 [04hdf-us] [07nd] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 604572 points, T:30953, dissolved in molten lava 13:31 <[Demo]1> !lastgame Leggman 13:31 [Demo]1: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Leggman/nhdev/dumplog/1512948365.nhdev.txt 13:34 !who 13:34 rikersan: [04hdf-us] groovejumper [05dyn] Zxkuqyb [10fh] DrakeMarshall [13dnh] 13:34 rikersan: [12hdf-eu] No current players 13:34 * NCommander wishes he didn't feel so ill 13:35 I'm looking forward to my next FIQHack game ending with the dungeon collapsing and/or death by trickery 13:35 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:35 actually trickery should never happen on a public server 13:36 <[Demo]1> key word should 13:36 FIQHack is NH4-based, so the dungeon collapsing isn't a thing. 13:36 get well soon, NCommander 13:36 jonadab, I thought it will still the pop that message if it goes completely pearshapped 13:36 Hmmm I have aquired rings of polymorph and polycontrol... Worth it for an automaton, or is double speed more useful? 13:36 <[Demo]1> why is nh4 such a pussy? 13:36 <[Demo]1> double speed and phasing is insane 13:37 !who 13:37 NCommander: [04hdf-us] groovejumper [05dyn] Zxkuqyb [10fh] DrakeMarshall [13dnh] 13:37 NCommander: [12hdf-eu] No current players 13:37 (Dungeon collapse is the NH3 way of dealing with a panic(). The NH4 equivalent is to throw up a dialog box that gives you a choice between rewinding to the last neutral turn state and trying a different action, or saving and waiting for the dev to fix the bug. Though it's not worded that way.) 13:37 <[Demo]1> nh4 gets mad when im occupying the same space as a monster i shouldnt be 13:37 jonadab, ah, they I've seen a lot of panics. I thought the box comes up if it hits an impossible 13:37 <[Demo]1> also does too 13:37 [Demo]1, NH4 drastically rewrites how saving works to make the game quite a bit less brittal 13:37 <[Demo]1> pretty sure the thing i hit today was just an impossible 13:37 NCommander: Then too, but in the case of impossible() you have an additional option, to just continue as-is. 13:37 Old (NH2-ish) were not paradims of stability on Windows 3.1. 13:38 <[Demo]1> nh 3 stable 13:38 I'm not sure what the first NetHack I ever played was 13:38 <[Demo]1> i can segfault and recover yeah! 13:38 yea fiqhack was panicing for me repeatedly yesterday 13:38 stupid adjustment 13:38 I played PC-Rogue for DOS because my dad told me about rogue/unix. In middle school, I found a copy of nethack on an old DOS PC and thought it was an updated rogue before the internet enlighted me to history 13:39 <[Demo]1> im still annoyed that it caught that a priest was under me 13:39 If NH4 segfaults, you have to get the dev to fix the bug, and then you can just continue where you left off. 13:39 <[Demo]1> wait 13:39 <[Demo]1> ok 13:39 * NCommander suspects it was NH2 13:40 I got fairly far into the dungeon, and I don't remember mines or sokoban 13:40 NCommander: I've played 1.3d. 13:40 (But the _first_ version I played was 3.4.3.) 13:40 I've done that too, but not at the time it was a current release. 13:40 rikersan: hmm? I fixed that... 13:40 did K2 never update? 13:40 NCommander: Right. 13:40 FIQ: yea you did but it was bugged 13:40 still? 13:40 DrakeMarshall: fair warning, you can still get 'ill' as a clockwork 13:40 haven't tried FIQ 13:40 So I went Rogue->NH2 or early 3->343 (first ascension)->4 (astral splat)->NH361->FIQ 13:41 DrakeMarshall: it's a bug, you're also not immune to death wands like you should be (as non-living) 13:41 you're also not immune to poorly worded advice :( 13:41 I believe they have sickness immunity... 13:41 If not death magic immunity 13:41 * NCommander is both amused and facepalmed by that. 13:41 NCommander: sorry 13:41 I saw sickness immunity when I got enlightenment 13:42 FIQ, nah, it's still funny. Trust me, it's not the stupidest way I ever died. 13:42 FIQ, that was the wizard on my second game of NH4 who died in sight of his altar on the astral plane 13:42 ouch 13:42 Second time I ever made it to astral 13:42 I've gotten to the point that once I get past the mines, I generally get pretty deep. 13:43 (in vanilla. FIQHack's easier early game + better UI usually means I have a far better chance of getting to the castle) 13:44 never quite realized how much quality of life plus UI issues related to YASD in vanilla 13:48 still waiting for nh4 to rebase all FIQHack's non-gameplay changes and then for ais to convince the devteam to rebase NH3 onto NH4 13:50 aosdict, I was a little surprised that didn't happen with NH360 13:56 but then 3.6.0 wouldn't be able to run on VMS 13:56 the horror 13:56 FIQ, ... if that was SERIOUSLY the reason, I'd port NH4 to VMS myself 13:56 OS/2 too. I actually likely have the dev tools for that somewhere. 13:59 NCommander: few things make me rage at the devteam more than https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/10 14:00 aosdict, there's actually a tool that can auto-convert K&R to ANSI for antique compilers. 14:00 (can also go the other way) 14:01 aosdict, generally with C, it's possible with pain to get a codebase to build on any C compiler with some luck (C99->C89->downconverter). C++. lost cause. 14:02 THat being said, excluding say ... V6 UNIX, I'm not aware of any platforms that actually lack an ANSI C compiler. Even DOS and Windows 3.1 have one in the form in Watcom C 14:03 I approve of paxed slipping in more and more enums and letting them go unnoticed 14:03 OS/2 has/had GCC 14:03 but I will really, really be mad if some other DT member discovers it and reverts them 14:03 yeah, avoiding prototypes is just absurd at this point 14:03 as someone who gets a huge kick out of retrocomputing, even I have my limits on antique codebases 14:04 I suppose we should be lucky NH isn't coded in Fortran or COBOL :) 14:04 well, F77 14:05 Modern Fortran is actually fairly nice. 14:05 * NCommander recently had to debug modern fortran code and was surprised. 14:05 ais523: how much devteam mail of the form "I'm trying to get nethack working on " actually comes in? 14:06 aosdict, I know NH360 actually got an MS-DOS build in a week of release. 14:06 I vaguely remember tiles had Win16 support. If I was so inclined, I could probably get that to build. 14:06 actually, doesn't NH4 lack a tiles mode? 14:07 * NCommander notes that's probably the biggest showstopper :/ 14:07 <[Demo]1> aha 14:07 <[Demo]1> its real true weakness 14:08 When I play locally, I generally prefer ASCII, but I like tiles on mobile. the MUI interface is wonky on Linux 14:12 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 14:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 14:24 [04hdf-us] [07nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1097 14:25 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 14:28 aosdict: you mean the total ignorance of it? 14:31 total ignorance of what 14:36 -!- zxkuqyb has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:48 aosdict: the pull request 14:49 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 14:54 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:01 aosdict: not that much, but more than you'd expect 15:01 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 15:01 however, most of these systems won't run 3.4.3 anyway 15:01 normally I look back through commit history to find a version that will 15:04 well that indicates that the devteam at least as of 3.4.3 is willing to "drop support" for a platform or compiler 15:04 so not sure why anyone is opposed to doing this for 3.6.1 15:06 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:13 aosdict: I've been meaning to write an email about that 15:13 but I keep getting writer's block 15:13 however, support was never officially dropped 15:14 it's just that the game outgrew some of the platforms it used to run on 15:16 hi 15:16 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 15:16 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-21 14:39 EST: sorry, but askin again -- need puck1's EU save because it errored during death 15:16 oops 15:16 must have missed the first request 15:16