00:06 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Clk Fem Non), 10 points, T:5, killed by a water moccasin 00:08 StatueSurfer, I've had games where taht WoD is the only one that ever showed up 00:08 StatueSurfer, if you're going to remove it, make a guaranteed one somewhere else. 00:08 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Bat Fem Non), 100 points, T:193, killed by a jackal 00:08 StatueSurfer, maybe on the high priest? Though usually that's where I first apply Orcus' WoD 00:14 hm 00:14 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Clk Fem Non), 16 points, T:40, killed by a water demon 00:15 i've been reading jonadab and aosdict's proposals and YANIs for different parts of the dungeon 00:15 and jonadab's pointed out that the demon lords/princes are largely way too easy 00:16 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Bat Fem Non), 4 points, T:124, killed by a water elemental 00:17 so i guess i'll have to put another wand of death somewhere 00:19 because i really believe this rebalances orcus to be tougher 00:22 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Clk Fem Non), 0 points, T:11, killed by a water moccasin, while helpless 00:24 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Clk Fem Non), 1514 points, T:6, escaped 00:37 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 00:49 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:58 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:8216 01:03 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 01:10 huh, I'm surprised that worked 01:10 * NCommander actually managed to get all 9 points on the protection racket 01:23 [04hdf-us] [07nd] Grasshopper (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:48750 01:29 K2: cool 01:38 'There is a grave here. You read: " At last... a nice long sleep." You see here a sling." 01:39 seems inviting 01:48 FIQ, I think my dog got teleportitis in FIQhack, that's an interesting problem :P 02:04 [04hdf-us] [10fh] NCommander (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "+2 blessed fixed gray dragon scale mail", on T:9471 02:05 That was unexpected 02:22 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12665 02:23 an uncursed +0 thirsty unicorn horn of frost and lightning {20} 02:23 .... that's a freaking badass unihorn 02:36 This ... is a problem 02:57 [04hdf-us] [10fh] NCommander (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 36514 points, T:11539, killed by a blue jelly 02:57 * NCommander sighs 02:57 It was promising until I accidently got stuck between two jellies I couldn't kill 02:57 :( 03:20 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20 [04hdf-us] [07nd] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law) polymorphed his first item, on T:14890 03:21 EPI: once you kill your quest nemesis, demogorgon may appear 03:27 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 03:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper_] by ChanServ 03:29 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:29 -!- Grasshopper_ is now known as Grasshopper 03:30 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:32 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:42 [04hdf-us] [07nd] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 38948 points, T:15732, killed by a rock troll 03:43 !lastgame 03:43 Tangles: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nhdev/dumplog/1513257408.nhdev.txt 03:43 ahh my jumping boots were N 03:44 that explains why my blindfold (n) didn't come off earlier. 03:44 and subsequently why I couldn't jump to escape. 03:49 something so simple :C 03:51 Well clearly I was not paying enough atttention. The final nail in the coffin was trying to zap the troll with a tele wand that turned out to be empty. 03:54 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7961 03:59 !who 03:59 Tarmunoraway: [04hdf-us] arnibald [04gh] Grasshopper [07nd] Zxkuqyb [13dnh] krm26 [08un] Tangles [114k] 03:59 Tarmunoraway: [12hdf-eu] Kontroller [07nd] 04:01 -!- Tarmunoraway is now known as Tarmunora 04:05 -!- zxkuqyb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:07 [04hdf-us] [04gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had mace bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:5733 04:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:30 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law), 90530 points, T:21452, killed by a rock troll 04:41 NCommander: ouch 04:42 how did that happen 04:42 FIQ, sokoban, one tile wide hallway, forgot blue jellies could split, and it spawned behind me. 04:42 Pinning me inbetween two 04:42 ah 04:42 oops 04:42 Yeah 04:43 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:10335 04:43 I rarely if ever have even tinkered with Healer so I didn't realize quite how damage impaired they were 04:43 but couldn't you use your unihorn 04:43 leveldrain should kill 04:43 eventually 04:48 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 69699 points, T:10816, killed by Ilona Szilagy, while taking off clothes 04:51 [04hdf-us] [08un] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 fixed silver saber", on T:8634 05:08 !tell StatueSurfer Agreed, taking away from his spellcasting isn't great. Also, the AI is kind of broken in that it will always select wands. 05:08 Will do, aosdict! 05:24 [04hdf-us] [114k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:5920 05:47 FIQ: explain what you mean in that drain for gain edit? 05:48 if you start with, say, 12 con 05:48 if you increase your con/wis, it doesn't help you get HP/Pw increases for recovered levels 05:48 you will over time gain far less HP 05:48 than if you started with 18 05:48 so you can "reset" and then re-level up with the new con 05:48 it helps you get HP/Pw increases for *new* levels, but that's not drain for gain 05:49 FIQ: it doesn't work in 3.6. 05:50 the only part of drain for gain that was actually removed was the fact that you could use gain constitution/similar to lose less HP than you would gain 05:51 aosdict: the game doesn't make your level up gains permanent, it will only record them for leveldrain 05:51 as an example 05:51 let's say I get 3, 4, 2, 3, 5 from level 1->6 05:51 if I leveldrain back to 1 05:51 I will have these applied in reverse 05:51 but now I get a new opportunity at higher gains, especially if I boosted my con/wis since 05:52 I will not (neccessarily) get 3, 4, 2, 3, 5 again 05:53 you may want to explain this at more length then, it just sounds like it's contradicting the rest of the paragraph 05:54 why is it 05:54 but you *will* get -5, -3, -2, -4, -3 when you drain, is that what you're saying? 05:55 that every time I play fourk 05:55 I die to a boulder 05:55 [04hdf-us] [114k] FIQ (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 774 points, T:485, killed by a boulder 05:55 raisse: yes 05:55 because the boulders hate you? 05:55 but why 4k 05:55 !tell ais523 drain-for-gain isn't totally immune to increasing maxHP/maxPw like I thought, though it isn't actually farmable. It's still cheesable with blessed !oRA though. 05:55 Will do, aosdict! 05:55 it's only 4k where I have this issue 05:56 FIQ: easy solution: make base maxHP a function of current XL and current Con :) 05:57 aosdict: better? 05:57 my edit that is 05:57 yeah 05:59 <[Demo]> im gonna drink me 14 blessed full healings! 05:59 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:59 oh ais was actually here 05:59 lol 06:00 hmm, in this spell proposal, I'm not sure I should change up actual spell schools like dtsund proposed. 06:00 Let me check his reasons for doing so. 06:01 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:4615 06:01 he thought the existing schools was doing flavour over mechanics 06:01 *at the expense of gameplay 06:02 I'm not particularly opposed to changing up the school a spell is assigned to, but the biggest shakeup is removing the clerical and healing schools and replacing them with matter. 06:02 s/matter/defense 06:02 where did matter even come from 06:04 okay, so the problem is, I guess, that doing those changes to spell schools is that it makes everything an "arcane" spell, in D&D terms 06:05 and if you want to merge monster and player spells, and I have been writing this proposal with that in mind, there's no real established clerical spell list for priests to cast from 06:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:07 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:5213 06:07 I mean, you could put the clerical spells into this set of spells, but things like pillar of flame, lightning bolt, and geyser would all go into attack spells, meaning that wizards would actually be better at casting them than actual clerics 06:16 I'm not sure how reconcilable these goals are without adding a complex mechanic like adding a bit to spellbooks that means they're clerical and giving Priests a bonus in them, or something like that. 06:16 FIQ: when you merged monster spellcasting, how did you handle the clerical spell list? 06:16 monsters didn't get to keep their spells 06:17 instead, I gave priests fixed spell lists: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/FIQHack#Aligned_priests 06:17 okay so you got rid of their high-level attack spells 06:17 yes 06:17 it's not like they actually posed a threat anyway 06:19 and they can't cast curses on you anymore? 06:19 no more curse items 06:19 if not, YANI: spell of remove curse can be cast offensively to curse items 06:19 the Wizard's harassment was made nastier to compensate 06:21 It makes flavor sense, but when would a fiqhack priest ever cast remove curse? 06:22 if they generate with cursed items 06:22 or pickup something cursed 06:22 -!- zxkuqyb has joined #hardfought 06:24 okay I guess if one isn't trying to port over the attack spells, most of the others can be either reproduced or discarded as unimportant 06:28 jonadab: I'm trying to press ctrl+f in 4k, but it isn't working :( 06:32 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:41 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9167 06:43 FIQ: actually, I'm wondering if dtsund didn't go quite far enough in merging schools, and I'm wondering if Escape spells should be broken up and distributed among the rest (mostly to Matter and Defense). 06:43 [04hdf-us] [114k] FIQ (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:3732 06:44 [04hdf-us] [04gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 962 points, T:2116, killed by a gecko, while paralyzed 06:50 jonadab: why is this melon brown? 06:51 oh, for some reason I've set fruitname to melon 06:57 [04hdf-us] [114k] FIQ (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 12006 points, T:4687, killed by a poisonous corpse 07:13 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 07:31 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 07:43 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6107 07:52 [09:02] ...the biggest shakeup is removing the clerical and healing schools 07:52 aosdict: why do you hate healers? 08:02 hothraxxa: blame dtsund? 08:02 wasn't *my* idea 08:02 is dtund responsible for nerfing the unihorn as a weapon? hmmmm? 08:03 anyway, i don't see the point of a healer that can't fight and has no casting school 08:03 also, the non-useless healing spells aren't removed in dtsund's proposal, they're just converted to Defense spells 08:03 which healers can get expert in IIRC 08:04 which is actually beneficical since there are other defense spells that aren't strictly healing 08:04 so extra healing is a defense spell? seems a bit contrived if you ask me 08:04 which you didn't of course 08:05 hothraxxa: well, when you remove useless healing spells 08:05 there are only like 3 or 4 left 08:05 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 08:06 an opportunity to make up new ones! 08:06 okay, give me all your ideas for new healing spells then :P 08:06 i'll get right back to you on that 08:10 <[Demo]> cure confusion 08:10 so you're removing cure blindness and restore ability, is that correct? 08:10 <[Demo]> but you cant ever cast it 08:10 hi amy 08:12 hothraxxa: those and stone to flesh (which is now a wand). jonadab could not think of a counterargument for why stone to flesh should remain a spell, I'm happy to hear yours. 08:13 (In any case, stone to flesh, if it remained a spell, should really be matter anyway.) 08:13 [04hdf-us] [04gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5570 points, T:7895, killed by Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper 08:13 yes stf is a matter spell really 08:14 so the only remaining healing spells are healing, extra healing (which is merged with healing in this proposal), and cure sickness. 08:14 i'd argue stf should remain a spell in order to give healers something to differentiate the role 08:14 Two spells are not enough to make their own spell school. 08:14 yeah so healers are pretty much... not healers 08:15 hothraxxa: well I was planning on also giving healers a starting wand of stone to flesh 08:15 <[Demo]> slashem healers are healers 08:15 [Demo]: because they can do healy stuff without needing magic? 08:15 <[Demo]> yeah 08:16 tbh i haven't actually thought out how to make a better healer. i'm just reacting to the changes i've seen you talk about lately 08:16 <[Demo]> they start with way more healy stuff 08:16 as someone who likes to play healers 08:16 hothraxxa: note that this is a proposal, not anything I particularly intend to add before it gets feedback 08:16 <[Demo]> and have healy techniques 08:16 yes i know it's a proposal 08:17 healers should also have at least Basic enchantment spells imo 08:18 who else can get to expert in healing skills? 08:18 monks and priests 08:18 er, well, assuming you meant spells there 08:19 yes 08:19 i just looked up the table 08:19 maybe a master level for healers 08:20 <[Demo]> theres a solution i really like 08:20 <[Demo]> are you familiar with the bard patch? 08:20 i am not 08:20 moderately 08:20 <[Demo]> so basically bards can play certain spells sort of based on applying musical instruments and this is regulated through musicalize spell skill level 08:20 <[Demo]> whatever the top section of skills is called, the one with riding 08:21 <[Demo]> could have a healing skill 08:21 <[Demo]> apply scalpel 08:21 <[Demo]> and other healy items 08:21 <[Demo]> and be able to do stuff with them depending on your heal skill lvl 08:21 <[Demo]> and maybe let another role or two be able to get like basic in healing 08:22 dynahack removed the restore ability of the unihorn, making restore ability a useful spell 08:22 <[Demo]> dnh does the same thing 08:23 also, i got into it with demogorgon the other night and cure sickness came in handy (when i could get it in) 08:24 nothing happens is a bit of a pissoff when demogorgon is beating you up 08:24 hothraxxa: with my recent unihorn change, you might want to use one against demogorgon! :) 08:25 passive curing of your sickness would be quite nice 08:25 at 1d3/1d3? 08:25 also that's not really a healer thing, that applies to everyone, no? 08:25 nah, probably just wield it and damage him some other way 08:26 and yes, it's not healer specific 08:26 what other way? 08:26 wands or something, maybe. Cure sickness casters would actually probably be better off without a unicorn horn, come to think of it. 08:26 <[Demo]> disease resistance? 08:26 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:8788 08:26 <[Demo]> healers have that in slashem i think 08:27 wands against demogorgon? don't they miss a lot? 08:27 <[Demo]> anyway 08:27 <[Demo]> aosdict: healing explosion spells 08:27 <[Demo]> theres ur more healing spells 08:28 [Demo]: yeah it's weird how they have poison resistance but not sickness resistance (what with the "fortunately you have been immunized" message) 08:28 <[Demo]> ive dabbled with making healer more healy 08:29 <[Demo]> had healing explosions from applying scalpel but looking back that didnt make much sense 08:31 a healer fighting demogorgon is almost sure to have the staff and at least one other artifact weapon. i often get mjollnir 08:31 this time i had vorpal blade 08:31 and magicbane 09:07 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 09:09 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:12 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 09:23 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:13368 09:27 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:13616 09:47 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14751 10:09 -!- Haudegen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39 [04hdf-us] [04gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 1336 points, T:1757, killed by an orcish werejackal 10:40 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 10:41 <[Demo]> grunt and be hacked 10:57 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 10:58 hothraxxa: Defense is... arguably just a miscellaneous box of spells currently. 10:59 Jumping, haste self, turn undead, healing, cure sickness. 11:00 you could have three categories: offense, defense, utility 11:00 dtsund's defense list isn't really all that more coherent either: healing, protection, cure sickness, extra healing, turn undead, create familiar. 11:00 there aren't really that many defensive spells though 11:01 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:02 Turn undead is annoying because it is a _very_ clerical spell, but in this rearrangement really should fall under Attack. 11:04 Maybe should put Escape back in but rebrand it as Movement. 11:11 you're still writing primarily a combat system overhaul proposal, right? do you intend to expand the scope? 11:11 hothraxxa: this is a completely separate spell overhaul proposal 11:12 ohhh 11:12 they overlap, don't they? 11:12 And I need to cut the scope of the combat system overhaul to about 25% of what it is now :P 11:12 well obviously they do overlap 11:12 they don't... really overlap, no. Only in stuff like to-hit of spells. 11:13 From the perspective of this spell proposal, the only knobs I need to turn for balancing a spell are its level and school. 11:13 (assuming skills don't change.) 11:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:22 hothraxxa: so Healing spells might be back on the table, because I've pared down Defense to the point where it only contains healing spells. Unfortunately it only contains two healing spells, healing and cure sickness. 11:22 I suppose restore ability could remain in as well. 11:22 where's extra healing? 11:23 Folded into the "greater" healing effect. 11:23 <[Demo]> oh good amy's shameful defeat to the elder priest in junethack is referenced in dnh now 11:23 that's the main thing of this proposal, it allows you to cast all spells at a higher level for more powerful effects 11:23 healing/extra healing was already basically that 11:24 [Demo]: in what way? 11:24 Chris_ANG sometimes reference "oopsies" performed by people 11:24 I have been one step from divinity 11:24 restore ability could be useful for acquiring poison resistance in the early game if it were l1 or maybe l2 11:24 Khor's has had the axe randomly fall off the world 11:24 *Khor 11:25 etc 11:25 hothraxxa: the main reason I took it out was I couldn't figure out both greater and lesser effects for it that both scaled with skill level and that people would actually use 11:26 restore ability? there's only the one option, right? one vs all 11:26 for example, here is a good lesser effect: restores 1d(your skill) lost skill points 11:26 rename it to restoration 11:26 make it progressively more potent 11:26 maybe it only restores attributes at first 11:26 then also status problems in general 11:27 maybe even lost levels from leveldrain 11:27 at expert 11:27 if you're working on spell system revision, you already know that having three skill levels is a farce 11:27 how so? 11:27 FIQ: also, if your maxhp is lower than it should be, can bring that back up to 0 11:27 almost no spell skills are worth advancing to expert in most circumstances 11:28 there's sedge cases, sure 11:28 -s 11:28 hothraxxa: there are almost no spell skills worth advancing to expert _now_. In the proposal it's a different story since I'm trying to make every spell scale. 11:28 aosdict: "up to 0"? 11:28 if your max HP is below 0, you're dead 11:29 well i'd hope so, that was my point 11:29 FIQ: sorry 11:29 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 11:29 FIQ: this would be in a system where your HP is func(XL, Con) plus or minus anything you got externally 11:29 FIQ, same way 11:29 AmyBSoD: "Phew, killed that elder priest. He shredded my CoMR but at least he's de-" 11:30 fun fact: ADOM has 4 healing spells. But due to how the spell skill system works in there, the "worse" the healing effect is, the better the spell 11:30 because it costs less 11:30 and the more you cast a spell, the more potent it becomes 11:30 and they all scaled the same 11:30 "oops" 11:30 Chris_ANG: oh, I think I've seen that already 11:31 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:19288 11:31 aosdict: btw 11:31 I have been considering doing the same thing you are working on now 11:32 just I never went ahead and did it 11:32 I might steal some of the changes you're doing :) 11:32 what, revamping spells? 11:32 Making more spells scale 11:32 and potentially remove redundant ones (extra healing vs healing) 11:32 you guys hate healers :( 11:32 * hothraxxa pouts 11:32 hothraxxa: ? 11:33 hothraxxa: in this system 11:33 healers can reach expert in healing 11:33 they should get a stronger effect from healing at expert 11:33 you can cast a healing beam to heal (skill+3)d4 hit points, at level 1 11:33 than what EH gives atm 11:33 aosdict: healing should be level 2 11:33 1 makes it too cheap 11:33 or you can cast a greater healing beam to heal (skill+3)d10 hit points, at level 3 11:33 that is better than vanilla 11:33 fiq: yes but i want EXTRA healing on top of that 11:33 aosdict: why keep the redundancy? 11:34 i'm a healer, i spent hunfdreds of thousands of zorkmids at medical school, i should be able to raise the dead and stuff 11:34 ok cure the dead. 11:34 fix zombies, maybe 11:34 I have considered removing turn undead, or make it only work for actually turning undead 11:34 and make a level 7 resurrection spell 11:34 healing 11:35 there ya go 11:35 would you keep the wand? 11:35 FIQ: yes, in this proposal turn undead is now straight up D&D style turn undead 11:35 For dealing with undead, yes 11:35 offensive versus undead 11:35 resurrection and raising the dead is more of a priest thing though 11:35 the wand retains its resurrection powers (currently, I could change that) 11:36 hothraxxa: but D&D doesn't actually have a "healing" school, does it? 11:36 healing is folded into clerical there 11:36 i don't recall one, no 11:36 in nethack context, resurrection makes more sense as a healing spell 11:36 it's been like 40 years since i played d&d 11:36 my knowledge of D&D goes only as far as OOTS stuff 11:37 (which I take with a grain of salt because, well, yeah) 11:37 FIQ: I saw the nethack guest comic on oots and was wondering if I should link it on the fanworks page on the wiki 11:38 i was part of a small group that took up d&d as soon as we discovered it 11:38 huh, d&d is actually over 40 years old 11:38 yes, mid-70s 11:38 i don't recall whay year we started, but it was no later than 76 11:39 lol 11:39 I looked up cleric on wikipedia 11:39 A description of Priests and Priestesses from the Nethack guidebook: Priests and Priestesses are clerics militant, crusaders advancing the cause of righteousness with arms, armor, and arts thaumaturgic. Their ability to commune with deities via prayer occasionally extricates them from peril, but can also put them in it.[1] 11:39 [04hdf-us] [07nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 94 points, T:277, killed by a black pudding 11:39 fiq: that's a d&d cleric 11:39 they weren't supposed to use edged weapons 11:40 but a mace, boy howdy 11:40 there isn't really any good reason that maces make terrible weapons in nethack 11:41 FIQ: weapon rebalance is next up on my list after spells :) 11:41 more pole weapons! 11:41 *more*? 11:41 like 11:41 50% 11:41 of nethack weapons are polearms 11:41 yes! at least an artifact pole weapon, c'mon 11:42 i want to know who uses a pole weapon in nethack, except to bonk the castle eels 11:42 you want to play polearmhack? 11:42 most defintiely, if you write it 11:42 hothraxxa: main reason nobody uses polearms: 11:42 1: awful UI (FIQHack, and 3.6 to an extent, addresses this) 11:43 2: ridiculous weight for basically no damage 11:43 3: no artifact 11:43 i suggest eelbane 11:44 people like katanas 11:44 and there's only snickersnee for it 11:44 which basically nobody uses 11:45 and whose fault is that, mr. developer? 11:45 maybe people like katanas only because they're 1d10/1d12 and use long sword skill 11:45 ya think? 11:45 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Elysium (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2885 points, T:2587, killed by a tengu 11:47 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47 was only providing a counterexample to 11:47 3 11:47 I know why 11:48 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 11:48 bye hoth 11:48 hi hoth! 11:48 long time no see 11:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 11:48 grr! closed the wrong window 11:48 was only providing a counterexample to 11:48 3 11:48 I know why 11:49 FIQ: considering also adding a spell of panacea, which is a healing spell that cures status ailments (that aren't sickness/foodpois). 11:49 i know you know why 11:49 panacea? 11:49 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] Zxkuqyb (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 190645 points, T:19824, killed by a gas cloud 11:49 FIQ: basically cure blindness that works on more things and can work on other monsters 11:49 :c 11:49 aosdict: I was suggesting you do that for restore ability earlier 11:50 zxkuqyb: rip 11:50 quest? 11:50 yeah 11:50 figured 11:50 ana quest is mean from what I've heard 11:50 never played it 11:50 let's try it 11:50 hothraxxa: I just realized that FIQ suggested moving the base level of the healing spell up from 1 to 2 11:50 and you didn't ask him why he hates healers 11:50 a clusterfuck of dudes 11:51 aosdict: i thought i did. i said "you guys" didn't i? 11:51 neverending dudes and loots 11:52 FIQ: also adding in resurrection as healing spell 11:53 now the question is, what should "greater resurrection" do 11:54 dlvl1 CPM 11:54 dtype: what exactly is dgamelaunch doing that makes it impossible to resize the terminal? 11:55 this would be for pet revival, right? so low level resurrection brings back a puppy, skilled a dog, and expert a large dog 11:55 iow sacel the level of the revived monster 11:55 scale 11:55 * aosdict tries to bring back a pet dragon, gets a dog instead 11:57 hothraxxa: and you can't revive something higher level than you at all? 11:57 yeah, that could be 11:57 leave that to the wand 11:58 oh, and greater resurrection is guaranteed to keep your pet tame 11:58 now you're cooking 12:02 so currently there are: 7 attack spells, 6 divination, 7 enchantment, 5 healing, 7 matter, 5 movement 12:03 the balance is better than it was, at least 12:03 and I don't feel like any spells are out of place in their own school 12:13 [04hdf-us] [13dnh] FIQ (Ana Vam Mal Neu), 5254 points, T:2101, died of starvation 12:25 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5374 12:28 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 12:31 FIQ: did you carry over any other mage spells from the monster vanilla spell list? 12:31 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:32 Obviously Rodney has Double Trouble, but I don't know if you took ones like drain strength and destroy armor. 12:32 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:32 aosdict: Summon nasties 12:33 was made a level 7 clerical spell 12:33 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:33 mmm, and how useful is that in player hands? 12:33 It's ok 12:33 I've already struck out create monster, the other summoning spell 12:34 the FIQHack page doesn't describe what happens when a player summons nasties 12:34 Mostly useful as a buffer 12:34 It is a targeting spell 12:34 It summons monsters hostile to what you are targeting 12:34 So if you target yourself 12:34 it summons hostile nasties 12:34 if you target a hostile vampire lord 12:34 it summons tame nasties around the vampire lord 12:35 sounds op pls nerf 12:35 :P 12:35 try it 12:35 it isn't that strong 12:36 it's not *bad* 12:36 but it's not OP 12:36 well if you get for the low low price of 35 Pw several tame minotaurs and mindflayers and whatnot, that sounds really powerful 12:37 most of the nasties aren't that strong 12:37 MTF tried it in his knight run on sanctum 12:37